Germanic not German. Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians made their way to England during the migration era. Modern Germany or the German empire did not exist prior to 1871.
@@div1244 . Yes, Germany didn't exist at the time. But neither did England. So, if she's going to claim to be 'English' due to Anglo Saxon ancestry, I'll happily argue that her ancestors were 'German,' not 'English.'
No you don't understand. Why do nations exist? Because, often similar small tribes that are very closely related genetically and culturally decide they can form an alliance and create borders for their land. Why is Wales not actually England? Because they aren't Ethnically genetically English. Bringing foreign genetics to England only serves to divide and destroy the once homogeneous country.
I guess it depends, some people are unable to see real beauty past their own bigotry. Ironically it is such people who are the real poison in Britain (the host was being too kind to point this out) and it only takes a little poison to pollute an entire reservoir. Britain has worked too hard and sacrificed too much not to be great. If your allegiance lies with England then you are English regardless of whether you are Anglo, Afro, Asio or even French. Some people's obsession to promote the superficial is something I will never understand.
@@matttaylor5004 so anyone Anglo Saxon can be English if born in England, but not if born in any other place? A person with Italian, French or Greek ancestors, born in England is not English in your view?
@@bandits99 no they are not they are where their genes originated from if I was born in china and called myself Chinese the locals would laugh at me and rightly so
@@forestdaydreams9447 "English" is an ethnicity and a nationality. His nationality is most certainly English. That's a statement of fact....and I suspect you hate it It seems like a lot of people are exerting a lot of effort to make sure this man (and other people of color) do not make any claim on being "English" because he cannot tie his complete ancestry to the Britons or the Anglo-Saxons.
They're descended from the Dutch, which is why they're White. 'South African' is a nationality whereas English isn't, it's an ethnicity. The equivalent of Lammy claiming to be English is Elon Musk claiming to be Zulu
@@ringtail1410if Elon musk spent his life in a formally recognised Zulu nation, was a citizen and had adopted cultural sensibilities. He would then absolutely be Zulu.
Similar to this 'lady' I too identify as a white Brit, English through and through. However, (and this is where the similarity definately ends) find her views wholly abhorrent and alien to my sensibilities. David Lammy, you are as english as I am!
@Rob : Did she sound a bit jealous to you? She did to me. Like she wanted her own extra, “label,” to which others defer in the manner that she believes, “Afro Caribbeans,” do. And she’s just too ignorant or too lazy to look up the term, “Anglo Saxon,” and embrace her very own German label. 🤷♂️
Almost no guns? Theres well over 1 million. I own a couple. I understand your comparing to the US that has more guns than people but it's a myth to assert that the uk has no guns.
@@adamcraig1468 well considering "shots fired" in this context, is a figure of speech the fact the UK isn't known for gun crime in the same way as the US is the ironic part.
There are guns here idiot. There was a shootout a few days ago and there have been a lot of people that were murdered by guns in London. Stop the ignorance. There are guns in every country
@@matt94alexander32 Indeed. Both Angles and Saxons are from Germany (Angles' territory extended into a region we'd now recognise as being in Southern Denmark).
So say snow is just a word could it be used to describe coal? Snow melts coal burns its not the same.. The English and Africans are a different race. Both human but ethnically not the same. Not black and white ether. My wife is Swiss I am English we are not ethnically the same but both white. Its the ingrained culture roots 1000s of years of knowledge and traditions. I live in Switzerland I can never be Swiss just because I am English. Although I live and respect the laws of Switzerland.
@@SH-fz9dy no I was born here and it is my country. There is no choice to leave my place of birth just because you're a scumbag. Also financially it's not possible and all my family is here.
Who could have predicted that after listening to everything he had to say she would simply repeat exactly what she has said at the beginning, without the slightest modification.
@@durhamfox5271 when people ask to be treated equally doesn't mean they hate where they live. everyone has the right to be here and to be treated equally after all England is rich after stealing and killing and benefiting from so many countries.
@@Caramela-g3p They don’t want equal treatment, they want preferential treatment. And no one has the right to be here, it’s a privilege to be here. And what did Sweden do to deserve the state they’re in, due to forced diversity and mass immigration?
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
The woman was really arguing the toss. A case of skin colour makes you English. She should have got the hint when he mentioned some white people were even more Caribbean than he was.
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
I'd love to have seen Priti Patel rather than David Lammy taking the call. The cognitive dissonance of being in agreement would have made her head explode.
Because American, Australian and Canadian are nationalities. Whereas English is an ethnicity. You don't get Anglo Americans calling themselves Cherokee, do you? And you don't get Anglo Aussies calling themselves Aboriginal, do you?
@@ringtail1410yea what they really mean when they say American, Canadian, and Australian, etc. is that they are white, and they exclude other races from this identity by saying the same things the lady in the vid says.
@@japjeetmehton9921 American, Canadian, Australian are nationalities, like British is. Cherokee, Aboriginal and Maori are ethnicities like English is. So no, it's not the same.
@@ringtail1410 Correct 💯 They would hauled over the coals for falsely claiming to be indigenous. On the flipside there are those in Australia that abuse the fact that they have 1% Aboriginal dna to claim the extensive list of benefits that comes with it including full university tuition schollarships and soon possibly state tax exemptions.
I think it ended with a fair question. She started to lose me around the 2:47 mark when there are absolutely white Caribbeans, Africans etc. but to consider people being 'polluted'?... Completely lost me there.
@C Bee and how many black South Africans have you spoken to on the subject? Because their (black) President referred to Afrikaners as "the only white tribe that is truly African".
@C Bee also, in Peru they elected a man of Japanese ethnicity as their President. Bit odd for a country that supposedly treats other ethnics groups as "invaders" and does not accept their right to live there, don't you think?
@AspiretotheStars as an African, I agree with you for the most part. However most white South Africans haven't even tried integrating. I don't think many if any can pass the diversity DNA test.
Let's face it, she revealed her true colours with the polluting comment. Race and nationality are two entirely different things. He's quite clearly a black Englishman, it's pretty simple really.
@@pacman8320 As Lammy's nationality is British because he's a UK citizen, what is his English identity? Answer is he doesn't have one, because he isn't English.
In Brasil I am recognised as Brasilian. Outside of Brasil everybody refers to me as British, despite having introduced myself as Brasilian because I speak English with a mild British accent and I looks European. In the end, much like the caller, the people that mistake me for British have the same misconceptions about Brasil and it's rich culture as the caller did about Caribbean culture and their considerable proportion of white nationals.
that's the thing. "we" could tell in her tone, from the get, that she didn't deserve benefit of the doubt. but bc of what she represents, you are willing to give her that. y'all got a long way to go but keep doing the work and we'll get there lol props for "getting it" tho
There are some people that can't carry on an intelligent, civil discussion. They just don't have the mental capability. Most of them can only repeat the propaganda that their media outlet spews. It's what they have been told to believe because they are too weak to have their own beliefs.
To summarise, English isn’t a race or ethnicity, it’s a nationality and Afro-Caribbean isn’t a nationality it’s a race or ethnicity. My nationality is British, my race is Anglo-Saxon, it’s so simple to understand.
English is an ethnicity, but it’s also a nationality. Someone that wasn’t born in England, like myself, or Boris Johnson, but has English parents, can identify as English, however, if you are born in England, you’re English, which is why Lammy is English. The term ‘English’ has biological and geographical origins.
@@Hunter-ty7so the white English are not pure Angles though. They're mixed with Celts, Saxons and Normans. The term Anglo-Saxon is supposed to cover this. And that's without all considering all the other continental Europeans that have immigrated and blended into the white population over the centuries.
@@jrobs1133 The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited England. They traced their origins to the 5th century settlement of incomers to Britain, who migrated to the island from the North Sea coastlands of continental Europe. Aka North Germany and Denmark
@@JP-sm4cs and you know there were people in England already, don’t you? of whom several North European tribes mixed with. This mixing created the Anglo-Saxon culture. The Anglo-Saxon culture was cultivated in the land what is now called England. And the people of Anglo-Saxon culture came to eventually be known as the English, an ethnicity. Not sure where David Lammy fits into this story! Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t. 🤷♂️
@@jrobs1133 so you're telling me. Cultural mixing is a natural human phenomenon that has been happening since the dawn of time and we shouldn't be worried about letting new people in regardless of their ethnicity? Interesting. I believe that's where David Lammy fits in here.
LOL! Funny thing, White Bajans were the first folks I thought of when I started listening to this. I had an image of Tony Cozier although, to be fair, his roots are in Scotland.
Barbados is practically a made up country which has been only around for a short time. While the English have been in Britain since the beginning of British history.
@@shanehenderson8756 Britain is made up country, it's only existed for a few hundred years. Ask one of my Scottish ancestors in the 1400s if they have any allegience to London
@@shanehenderson8756 LOL! And when did British history begin? 950,000 years ago, when Africans settled in Doggerland and what is now Britain or was it 8000 years ago, when the submersion of Doggerland created the island or was it with the Acts of Union in 1707?
@@smaakjeks You mean apart from language, skin colour and a common history? It's a set of values, of what we hold as dear and true to us, such as close family life, a work ethic, an adherence to law, a traditional Christian belief (I'm an atheist), a sense of fair play, a willingness to stand up to tyranny and defend ourselves, and a protection of the underdog. We also, of course, gave the world jurisprudence - our greatest export, and we are an incredibly inventive nation - giving the world more inventions and discoveries than any other nation on Earth per capita...including the one you are using now. All of these and more define what we are. Other nations have very similar traits which make up their ethnicity, and some overlap, obviously.
True, also, the sad thing is these kind of dinosaurs never go extinct, they leave behind much of their knowledge to their children and grandchildren, hence the tradition goes on.
@@kinglang6393 thankfully it does get weaker by generation as they don't have the social backing that they used too and children have the internet at their fingertips.
@@ringtail1410 not his skin is clearly brown as no one actually has black skin and cant its impossible no matter how dark lol and no one actually has white skin its also impossible just hold a white piece of paper up to your face and look in the mirror your see lots of colours but white won't be one of them I promise you lolllll
@@popssinor8921 You don't understand what a racial identifier is. 'Black' doesn't mean literally blackness, it means 'sub-saharan African' when talking about race. Lammy is an African, he is therefore not English at all. Ever.
@@popssinor8921 From wlkl - 'Black is a racialized classification of people, usually a political and skin color-based category for specific populations with a mid- to dark brown complexion. It is most commonly used for people of sub-Saharan African ancestry'
@@ringtail1410 yeah ummm you copy pasting wiki though? look up the source quoted for the copy paste on wiki... calling people by colour isn't even that old and is just a social construct which actually has zero true meaning due to the fact that no one actually has red skin or white or black or yellow 😂 we all know its used as a classification but its based on bs and the wiki paste actually does confirm what ive said on this 🤦🏾♂
Lammy is right that we’ve always been a nation of immigrants The point he (deliberately missed and failed to make) is that these immigrants came mainly from surrounding white countries
"You're an African-Caribbean." Caribbean itself is non-African. By calling him "African-Caribbean", she accidentaly admits that different ancestries can combine.
I understand your point, but you are off on what these terms mean. They are the result of populating "the new world". The term Afro-Caribbean isn't describing a mix (even though there is a mix). Same as Afro-American, or my background as French-Canadian. It's basically populations misplaced from their ethic backgrounds to create a new identity in a new land, since these populations are only a few hundred years old. Most of the native Caribbeans where killed off long ago, so I can promise, the term Afro-Caribbean isn't meant about the genetic mixing. It's literally describing peoples of African descent who now populate the Caribbean. The caller is wrong on several levels, but a lot of people are confusing Nationality and ethnicity these days.
@@Danielson1818 I didn't mean "genetic mixing". By "different ancestries can combine", I meant broadly any amalgamation of multiple identities attributed to the ancestors of an individual. David Lammy has an African ancestry in the sense that his earlier ancestors lived in Africa, and he has also a Caribbean ancestry in the sense that his parents grew up in the Caribbean (Guyana), and their diachronic combination (across generations) is notionally represented by the term "African-Caribbean". My point is quite that ancestries can develop independently of genes.
@@mirandansa Lol. I understand what you are saying, and you don't have to break it down for my sake. However, It mostly sounds like we are in agreement, but apparently have slightly different descriptions. The caller was ignorant and rude on several levels, but there is nothing incorrect or obscene about the terminology. We both agreed on what the term Afro-Caribbean means. We just don't seem to agree about the phrasing of "different ancestries can combine". To me, combining ancestries means to be a genetic mix, like myself. A person of multiple ethnicities. However, I would argue that terms like that, Afro-American and French-Canadian are more descriptive of the travel of a culture to become a new one, not a combination, but a fluid change to a new culture with some amount of influence from the former. At the end of the day, he is a British man by birth, and that is undebatable to anyone. Why those things are argued, I cannot understand. Edit: Apologies for taking your original comment the wrong way. The phrasing had me a bit confused, by saying it's not African. It really seemed as if you were saying genetically, when you meant it in a more literal sense of geographically. If African people can become a new Caribbean, and that is accepted, then why can't an Afro-Caribbean be English if he was born there? Hence the caller being a hypocrite in logic. Apologies once again. The phrasing threw me off a bit.
Let's be honest, she has no problem with black people claiming they are from or part of any predominantly black country. She means, you're black so I don't accept you as English.
You sound like one of the most ignorant so far, that's if you know what the word means. Germany was not a country in the 5th century when the Germanic tribes arrived in what is now England, I have never met an Englishman who is not proud of his Germanic ancestors and their great achievements, and I am a Celt, not Saxon by the way
@saxman Yes the Celts were here before the Saxons,as a Celt I am not too happy we were pushed out of what the Saxons call England ,but that is History . As far as I am concerned Celts and Saxons are brothers ,we have made Europe the great Continent it is today.
Ignorant?! You're the one showing ignorance here. To be anglo-saxon IS to be English. We are genetically a mix of germanic tribes (not Germany, that didn't exist) and Celtic Britons. And we have existed that way for around 1500 years.
Whenever someone says their Englishness is hugely important to them, I do worry. I say that as an Englishman. It's very odd thing to want to hold on to. Obviously, national identity is important, but it's far less important than the woman in question seems to think it is. Frankly, anyone who disproportionately proud of their heritage is probably incredibly dull. Respect your heritage, background, whatever you want to call it, but don't make it the focus of your character. Be more interesting than something you have no control over.
Well said, Andrew. The lack of education in schools is the sole drive of people such as her to let down the standards expected in this country. who you are and what means to be open-minded and welcoming individuals with different upbringings is indeed the backbone of British origin.
@@Bojara6697 I suspect she comes from a long line of bigots. It tends to be passed down through families, I'm afraid. It gets taught in the home, like a religious belief. Fortunately members sometimes escape the infection, marrying into other cultures, which is, perhaps, our best hope.
@@DistrictWitch Kinds? As in plural? You're listening to one single daft old bat and you think that's representative? You're buttoned up the back. Yet, they give the likes of you a vote! There's the real problem.
@@3DSgeekWhat matters is obviously relative to each person. Celebrating culture is beautiful, but having some form of radical nationalistic pride is toxic. I'm a bit more of a reductionist with here - we are all human beings, and we should focus on integration and unity, as opposed to an 'us vs them' narrative. Yes, in my case, it's exciting that my English grandfather 8 generations ago fell in love with and married a woman from Persia, and they settled in South Africa. But does this genealogy truly and entirely change or shape who I am, as a person? I think not. Most of my ancestors are Europeans, but do I identify as being intrinsically 'European'? Again, I think not.
@@nickyhinchliff9218 If you want to abolish race as a concept then it has to be a communal effort. Which means people like Lammy have to stop identifying as black and whatever else as much as people like this woman need to stop identifying by their race. The latter is usually, today, in response to the former. Browbeating one race while giving infinite concessions to other races won't work.
According to St. Bede the Venerable, the Anglo-Saxons were the descendants of three different Germanic peoples-the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. ... Ethnically, the Anglo-Saxons actually represented an admixture of Germanic peoples with Britain's preexisting Celtic inhabitants and subsequent Viking and Danish invaders.
The Anglo Saxons are immigrants to the island of Alba. The original inhabitants are the same as the inhabitants of the island of Eire. So Lammy is also an immigrant to the island of Alba. He is as English as the Anglo Saxon lady. Because English is a nationality and nothing more. Btw Great Britain comes from greater Brittany as the island of Alba was absorbed into the norman kingdom from France. Also the royalty of England has been non Albion since over 1000 years ago.
@@simoncooper3 It *can* refer to an ethnicity, but it can also refer to a language, a culture, a nationality, a condition of being.... Like "European" or "African". Words, my friend, can mean more than one thing.
@@thestarshavefallen actually, his nationality is British - all citizens of england/wales/scotland are British citizens, not english welsh scots (check the acts of union, also passport). Skin colour and place of origin are irrelevant for nationality. Having said that, I am a brit, english, northenor, with white tagged onto the end as that seems to be the 'fashion' these days. I guess, for me, Mr Lammy would be, brit, english, londoner, with afro-caribbean tagged onto the end. I do disagree fundamentally with the sub-divisions, whether fashionable or not, as the world is tribal enough without creating additional 'differences', when we should all be marveling at/reveling in the variety that the word humanity represents.
@@WE-ej2sv so someone moves to England from Pakistan tomorrow who haved lived in Pakistan all there lives and r Pakistani natives, then they have a child the next day in England you reckon they r English wrong plain and simple
"You're African-Carribean." She immediately gives a clear recognition that you can view yourself as having an identity formed by heritage from two entirely separate places. She just has no clue that would also apply to being English because she clearly views all places with black people as the same.
@ricky brooks Hi Ricky, I think the idea is that no nationality has to be limited by heritage. The idea that it is limited by heritage fails to recognise the history of human migration. Take America where only Native Americans have 'true' American heritage, but most of the American population today is white (e.g. Irish American). No one is saying that Native Americans aren't American in a similar way that no one is saying Anglo-Saxons (dual heritage in itself) aren't English. Being more open in your definition of nationality isn't a threat, it's an opportunity to be inclusive and subsequently learn from others. You can be patriotic without excluding others. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that 😊
Just a side note. It's always been funny to me that one country (united states of America) in a whole continent lay claim to the title "American" that actually belongs to everyone on that continent.
She might have the voice and the aestetics of being an old lady, but her words are straight poison and her narrative is disgusting. The aspect of "pollution" for me was absolutely insane
@@enochpowel4580 , he isn't ethnically English but he never claimed to be. He and most other people aren't talking about ethnicity when they use the term "English". You can try to police how others use words if you want but you will fail. You don't get to decide how words are used.
I can just imagine the Union Jack flag proudly flying in her garden. I don't want to be the one to point out to her that by her logic most of the immidiate royal family are Greek 😃
The Union Jack of course being the flag of “Britain”, and the Royal Family of course being the “British” Royal Family. There’s a lot of idiots who can’t distinguish between England and Britain I’ve noticed. Welcome to the club 😂
@@jrobs1133 The Union Flag (correctly) was invented by James I in his desperate attempt to be accepted by the English, most of whom did not want him as King or his family, or his Scots heritage. The flag was his attempt at having the 'United Kingdom'. That didn't happen until 1707. The flag is clearly not a 'Jack' which is triangular. It became known as the Union Jack because Jacques was the French for James; the Stuart's best friends.
@@jrobs1133 it's commonly associated (wrongly) as the flag of the UK, it is however understandable because although it represents the 4 nation's, the UK is by far the main nation of that 4.
@@chrisperry5244 Everyone knows it as the flag of the British. It does not matter that England is the largest nation. The individual nations have their own flags.
Because he's not English. Why would he not want to call himself a British man of afro Caribbean descent living in Britain? I live and was born in England, I am of Scottish, Welsh, Irish and English descent. I love England but I am British and cannot call my self English (as my Welsh grandfather would remind me) I am proud of my ancestry as he should be!
@@thecaretaker407 Well maybe... But as my DNA test said 66.66 percent Irish, scott's, Welsh and 33.33 percent English I think I will go with the dna results thanks!
@@thecaretaker407 Have you ever done a DNA test? If your DNA is from another area ie Italy /France it will show up in your DNA results. I have just told you where I am from!
If you have English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ancestry, you can claim all of these - no matter what your Welsh grandfather might have to say about it.
Notting Hill Carnival, how many of the people born here, go there every year to celebrate their ancestral homeland and culture ? they do it because they feel they belong more to that country than this, if they didn't feel that, they wouldn't need a carnival now would they?
@@Jack-fs2im Choosing to live somewhere and having those from a foreign country invade your native home under forced rule is somewhat different and not comparable
@@libertyvalance7715 And what of the Celtic tribes who went there? And the Mediterranean tribes who went there? And the Slavic tribes who went there? Since they all share the same ethnicity, as do their descendants, they must also be of "English" ethnicity. *My point from the start being* that the English are a mixture of several different ancient tribes, so much so that any talk of a singular English "ethnicity" is, well, foolish. And if you want to be more accurate about it, "Germanic", "Celtic", "Slavic", etc. are *_linguistic_* groups, not ethnicities. Designating them as the latter is anthropologically fuzzy at best. The bottom line is that lineage-wise, we're all African, and anyone who has a problem with that should shut up, put on their big boy pants, and just deal with it.
@@AlbertaGeek The clue is in the name Anglo Saxon, shortened to English. I am a Celt,and the Celts were driven out of England there was no share and share alike ,the entire Country spoke only a Germanic dialect until the Norman invasion if what your saying was true then the Gaelic language would have survived along with the Germanic language's of the Angles and Saxons
I'm so sorry people like this are given airtime. David Lammy has my admiration for remaining so calm and eloquent in the face of this pigheaded racism.
You're sorry because obviously the truth hurts. It's kind of sad that instead of sticking to the original topic, you have to try and censor someone's opinion.
Same - fortunately she and the rabid commenters in this section represent a very low (and shrinking) percentage of residents of England that align the label of "English" with any sort of genetic component and the overwhelming majority in line with the more reasonable position that having been born in England regardless of your ancestry makes you English. This was from a Guardian piece on the subject: "Just over 10% of people believe that ethnicity is an important determining factor in being English, compared to 20% from a 2012 study, according to British Future and the Centre for English Identity and Politics, which is about to publish its follow-up to the 2012 study, This Sceptred Isle. The biggest change was noted among over-65s, where the importance of whiteness fell from 35% to 16%. The new data could challenge the perception that the 2016 Brexit referendum reflected an increase in xenophobic English identity. The findings suggest that during the time of the Brexit vote, perceptions of English identity were becoming more, rather than less, ethnically inclusive."
So she’s saying white Europeans are considered English. What about white Europeans with same ancestors that moved to America, Canada, Australia? Why are they not considered English? Do you lose your ethnicity if move to different country?
They are. George Washington was English. Donald Trump is Scottish and German. Biden always tells us that he's Irish. They're describing their ethnicity. American, Canadian, Australian are nationalities like British. English is an ethnicity like Cherokee. Is Donald Trump a Cherokee native American because he was born in America? Is Elon Musk a Zulu? No. Lammy isn't English for the same reasons.
I am 450 years removed from England, and we still consider ourselves English. After colonizing America and New Zealand, we still identify as English ethnically. Im sorry you have no right to steal my identity.
That's if you could afford a bike.Many walked miles to their pace of employment. They had to "prioritise" , every crust. You're Grandmother ,was lucky !
Then again she might have a point the english are also an ethnicity as well as a nationality with their own distinctive culture and language spanning over a thousand years or so, same could be said about the chinese with their own culture and ethnicity and so forth.
@@karasimmons7122 The English are an ethnicity and a nation, but not a nationality. No one has 'English' on their passport. The nationality of the UK is British citizen.
A little eduction is required here - There’s a difference between nationality and ethnicity. Lammy can rightly describe himself as being of British nationality but he can’t describe himself as being ethnically English. Like he said himself, he is ethnically Afro/Caribbean.
Ofc there is a difference between the two but what is ethnically English? England is a nation not an ethnicity. Also, ethnicity is a very difficult thing to tie down due to it also being to do with cultural identity etc
@@buennabus527 I’d say English can be an ethnicity and a nationality. A non white person would be English by nationality as well as British by nationality if they were born and raised in England and a white person born in America can be English by ethnicity
English/French/German/Irish are not just labels that you can adopt. They are thousands of years of culture and ancestry that no piece of paper can give you. England belongs to the English
"Thousands of years of culture and ancestry...." The English are descended from Germanic and Scandinavian tribes. They don't have thousands of years of culture and ancestry.
@@geoffpoole483 Yes they do. The vikings, saxons came here thousands of years ago and met the celts with the normans arriving later which was a thousand years ago.
Those are all nationalities and ethnicities NOT races. He is, black or Afro-Caribbean British/English Race: Black Nationality: British/English Ethnicity: Caribbean and Black British/English Nationality: belonging to a particular nation (where you were born) Ethnicity: is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of folklore, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area. THIS INCLUDES BEING BRITISH /ENGLISH Race: a social construct , an invented form of identity that groups humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society.
England does not belong to the English, whatever you mean by 'English'. England belongs to a few aristocrats (above all the German royal family), a few super-rich families who made their fortune at the time of colonialism and slavery, and (sons of) immigrants like Rausing, Al Jaber, Hinduja, Blavatnik, etc. The remaining 99% of the population are mainly plebs who barely own their smelly socks.
@@humanbeing8272 I mean their ancestral roots may not be English. For instance if they're black then probably from Africa, if brown then somewhere from middle East or Indian Subcontinent. You see what I mean? Although the modern British "natives" are a result of interbreeding with Germans and Danes too.
@@gmclon3511 they have a weird way of justifying their lack of intelligence. Talk about separating people sheesh. Saying black people are pollution is pretty deep if you think about it. Jean hasn’t been outside her hometown to know anything, and this guy probably as well
@@humanbeing8272 You're correct, they're not English. The rules regarding "representing" England at sport are a little different to what makes a person English. John Barnes played football for England and wasn't even born here.
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"I traced my family back to middle ages and I'm Anglo-Saxon."
So... She's German, then.
England = Land of the Angles. Germans.
I highly doubt that she know what Anglo Saxon actual means.
Germanic not German. Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians made their way to England during the migration era. Modern Germany or the German empire did not exist prior to 1871.
Or Roman? They did invade England..
@@div1244 . Yes, Germany didn't exist at the time. But neither did England.
So, if she's going to claim to be 'English' due to Anglo Saxon ancestry, I'll happily argue that her ancestors were 'German,' not 'English.'
People don't understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity.
Exactly. If the woman knew this, this whole discussion is null and void
Scary thing is maybe they do but think only one of those things matters in the world :-\
Even ethnicity is missunderstood. The way geneticists study this is different from public perception of others and themselves.
No you don't understand. Why do nations exist? Because, often similar small tribes that are very closely related genetically and culturally decide they can form an alliance and create borders for their land. Why is Wales not actually England? Because they aren't Ethnically genetically English. Bringing foreign genetics to England only serves to divide and destroy the once homogeneous country.
@@xIBEASTYFUNK a completely irrelevant argument.
When she said "polluting" that tells me everything I need to know about her mindset and the reason she's telling this man what his culture is.
She needs help
She can’t be helped
I guess it depends, some people are unable to see real beauty past their own bigotry. Ironically it is such people who are the real poison in Britain (the host was being too kind to point this out) and it only takes a little poison to pollute an entire reservoir.
Britain has worked too hard and sacrificed too much not to be great. If your allegiance lies with England then you are English regardless of whether you are Anglo, Afro, Asio or even French. Some people's obsession to promote the superficial is something I will never understand.
Such a negative & bigoted term.
Funny that so many non-Englishmen had to fight in both World Wars for England when their not really English men?
This woman didn't want to say English means white for her.
English does mean white European it is impossible to be else
@@matttaylor5004 so any white European born in England is English?
@@bandits99 Germanic European is English
@@matttaylor5004 so anyone Anglo Saxon can be English if born in England, but not if born in any other place? A person with Italian, French or Greek ancestors, born in England is not English in your view?
@@bandits99 no they are not they are where their genes originated from if I was born in china and called myself Chinese the locals would laugh at me and rightly so
Someone call the care home 🏠 Nana's off her meds again.
No she is not off her meds.
😁😁😁🤣
@@Cloudy_317 that’s an excuse.
@@arnhay it's a joke...that obviously went over your head
😂😂😂💯
That lady just wants to say, "I would prefer it if you were not in England"
She's dying to drop the N word
Yes and if England ran itself as a company this guy would have been let go..
@Pale Rider not welcome in my eyes
He isn't English. That's a statement of fact
@@forestdaydreams9447 "English" is an ethnicity and a nationality. His nationality is most certainly English. That's a statement of fact....and I suspect you hate it
It seems like a lot of people are exerting a lot of effort to make sure this man (and other people of color) do not make any claim on being "English" because he cannot tie his complete ancestry to the Britons or the Anglo-Saxons.
What about white South Africans ? The hypocrisy
They're descended from the Dutch, which is why they're White. 'South African' is a nationality whereas English isn't, it's an ethnicity. The equivalent of Lammy claiming to be English is Elon Musk claiming to be Zulu
@@ringtail1410if Elon musk spent his life in a formally recognised Zulu nation, was a citizen and had adopted cultural sensibilities. He would then absolutely be Zulu.
@@dfpguitar Afraid not. There's no such thing as citizenship to an ethnicity and Musk would still be European; ie, not Zulu.
@paulinaegbuna9520 South African is a nationality. The ethnicities are Khosa, Zulu, and others. White South Africans can never be Zulus or Khosa
David Lammy is not English he is a colonialist. Multiculturalism is the colonialism of Corporate(fascism) Globalism.
This lady her heart and soul are Polluted.
She's standing up for her identity. Black Lives Matter eh ??
She refuses to see he is human like her.
you could have said her brain too but not sure she has one.
Very badly polluted indeed
@@HumbleMuslima and you do ?
Her racism is spilling out of the phone. The fact that she said "polluted" revealed her mindframe.
CHR!ST how did I not catch that!!!
@@Coffeeology the real racism is denying Anglo Saxon heritage is a thing or that anyone can be English. “The English” means The Angles.
Similar to this 'lady' I too identify as a white Brit, English through and through. However, (and this is where the similarity definately ends) find her views wholly abhorrent and alien to my sensibilities.
David Lammy, you are as english as I am!
@@annieskitchengarden818 You’re delusional then Annie. If you’re English you have Anglo-Saxon DNA. Lammy doesn’t
@@annieskitchengarden818 england does have an ethnicity. it also has criteria. as does any other ethnicity..
He was too kind to describe her use of the word “polluted” as just negative.
Too right.That was the type of language the Nazis used when promoting their ideal of a 'master race'.
She's a absolutely revolting! She's an imperialist dinosaur.
This was a hefty one....
Even punishable in several civilised Western European countries.
@Rob : Did she sound a bit jealous to you? She did to me. Like she wanted her own extra, “label,” to which others defer in the manner that she believes, “Afro Caribbeans,” do. And she’s just too ignorant or too lazy to look up the term, “Anglo Saxon,” and embrace her very own German label. 🤷♂️
@@ashroskell Germany didn't exist when the saxons invaded England. You donut
"You are African Caribbean. Which is fine."
Edit: It was not fine.
😂😂
Lol it seemed like that didn't it?
Hate mongering is pathetic. Hes born in England and so he's English. @redpillwoman9785
It was not fine "your unenlightened opinion"
@user-wb3lx1pw2c he's an English man and proud. Welcome to 2024 you amoeba. Keep up.
Love this Guyz patience and intellectual politeness
😂 Intellectual? He thought Henry VII was the son of Henry VIII
Yep, Not bad for a non-native.
@@lynnecromack4933 In fact, he IS what you call a 'native'.
@@momeara7482 So he's a native of an Island in the North East Atlantic ??🤣🤣🤣 Are you mad?
@@lynnecromack4933England is between the North Atlantic and the North Sea. David Lammy is a native of England. As indeed I am. How about you?
So the Queen is German then?
she was born and raised in England, so no.
don't forget Phil the Greek
Is there German blood in her vains?
@@badgoogle9938 Phil could also lay claim to being Danish and I think German too
Yes
For a country with almost no guns, shots were certainly fired
Almost no guns? Theres well over 1 million. I own a couple. I understand your comparing to the US that has more guns than people but it's a myth to assert that the uk has no guns.
@@adamcraig1468 well considering "shots fired" in this context, is a figure of speech the fact the UK isn't known for gun crime in the same way as the US is the ironic part.
@@OpEditorial guess you could say he delivered a cutting blow?
We have a ton of guns. We just don't had them out to the public.
There are guns here idiot. There was a shootout a few days ago and there have been a lot of people that were murdered by guns in London. Stop the ignorance. There are guns in every country
Does she think that anglo-saxons grew out of the ground in Norwich rather than coming over from Germany and Scandinavia?
Nah, someone with very narrow minded views, who will never change no matter how much you try to educate them!
"Hur dur anglo Saxons are a mix of things"
So? They still exist and shouldn't have to share their identity with racial aliens like lammy.
Hmmm... The purity of Heinz 57...
That was just Alan Partridge......Ahh-haaaaaa!
@@user-xm9ms5dl8d You really are intentionally missing the point
David Lammy is part Scot, part African Caribbean. But he is 100 % Israeli.
Comedy as opposed to what
😂
Nice one!
@@akhaliquk how so
@@jimw7213 humour resulting from his position on Gaza. Get with it.
"I'm Anglo-Saxon..."
So you're German, then?
Yh Germanic tribes invaded this land and named it Englaland(later England) which means 'Land of the Angles'.
@@matt94alexander32 Indeed. Both Angles and Saxons are from Germany (Angles' territory extended into a region we'd now recognise as being in Southern Denmark).
So say snow is just a word could it be used to describe coal? Snow melts coal burns its not the same.. The English and Africans are a different race. Both human but ethnically not the same. Not black and white ether. My wife is Swiss I am English we are not ethnically the same but both white. Its the ingrained culture roots 1000s of years of knowledge and traditions. I live in Switzerland I can never be Swiss just because I am English. Although I live and respect the laws of Switzerland.
@@SouthpawDavey Race is an illusion.
Yours,
Charles Darwin.
@@tonymurphy2624 Race wish it was then we would have no racism from Mr Lammy and others
Caller: “ You are where you were born.”
Lammy: “ I was born and raised in England.”
Caller: “ But you’re Caribbean.”
Me: : My head hurts.
@@jasonbayman9387 hard not to be growing up around you guys.
@@jasonbayman9387 too right! 👍
@@LA-vx3cf people are here of their own accord.
@@SH-fz9dy no I was born here and it is my country. There is no choice to leave my place of birth just because you're a scumbag. Also financially it's not possible and all my family is here.
@@SH-fz9dy why dont you leave? If it's so easy leave?.
Who could have predicted that after listening to everything he had to say she would simply repeat exactly what she has said at the beginning, without the slightest modification.
She obviously doesn't listen except to her own voice
Such a waste of oxygen. She'll never change and die knowing that she was right 😳
Don’t you ever be surprised this is exactly how these kind of people are ,slaves to brainwashing and racism.
She's as thick as 2 short planks and her thought processes are those of a parrot. Someone taught her some phrases and she endlessly repeats them.
She probably lives alone with cats who have never raised a paw in protest when she whispers her nonsensical ideas to them
She correct...you are what you are
ok, when she said " polluting" I knew it was not just stupidity that prevented her from getting his point but quite clear racism
The “r” word!! Arrrggghhhhh 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
@@durhamfox5271 It's clearly Racism but you can keep covering your ears and deny it.
@@Caramela-g3p
If it’s so terrible here, why don’t they leave? They’re breaking their necks to get here on dinghies man
@@durhamfox5271 when people ask to be treated equally doesn't mean they hate where they live. everyone has the right to be here and to be treated equally after all England is rich after stealing and killing and benefiting from so many countries.
@@Caramela-g3p
They don’t want equal treatment, they want preferential treatment. And no one has the right to be here, it’s a privilege to be here. And what did Sweden do to deserve the state they’re in, due to forced diversity and mass immigration?
She literally said “you are what you are you are where you were bor….” Stopping herself before she gave the game away 😂
Yup. Noticed that 🤣
And then proceeded to give the game away.
David Lammy he was born in London, maybe that's why she didn't finish the sentence.
Yes I noticed that and was about to comment on it too lol. Think the old girl made a bit of a whoopsie there.
Yep. I caught it.
He is now the Foreign Minister of the UK!
Yeah look at him 😂
Jean is happy with him being the 'foreign' minister. She might have something to say if he was the Home Secretary
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Jean must be having fits now.... 😂😂😂
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
🤣
He's British (citzenship), not English
What a kind way to respond to such Ignorance.
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
The woman was really arguing the toss. A case of skin colour makes you English. She should have got the hint when he mentioned some white people were even more Caribbean than he was.
Funny isn’t it Out of all countries in the world, Britain complaining about invasions, the jokes write them selves, if they really want immigrants out. They should protest to their government to give all the trillions in money and diamonds they stole so they can all go back…But they won’t will they. Low IQ and low self awareness.
Hardly as she's right. He is not of English ethnicity.
@@kingshousetube he is NOT english. whites can be "caribbean" but not bantu.
I'd love to have seen Priti Patel rather than David Lammy taking the call. The cognitive dissonance of being in agreement would have made her head explode.
Yeah ! Hahahaha
@kinor Spielman I wish you'd abbreviate your replies down to one letter.
LOL
Pritti Patel isn't black, in fact, she has very European features , plus she has no hatred of Anglo Saxons so what would be the problem.
@@libertyvalance7715 Is she English?
"Jean, I can tell that you are more senior than I am in age." 😭😭
That was a punchline!🥊
The correct term is uneducated.
Don't do that 😂😂😂
@@2deep2hard 😂😂😂😂😂
How he wasted his time with this lady is beyond me…
Exactly
Tell me about it
"Polluting". Wow. Davie Lammy was very restrained in his reponse to that.
Yeah, I was disgusted by that.
A measured response, but I am afraid he has had to learn to expect that sort of bilge thrown at him suddenly.
I was listening alone at home and I couldn’t help a verbal response that wouldn’t have been suitable for radio!
we put up with that kind of language almost every hour
@@davidharper5578 Facts.
Meanwhile loads of anglo saxons call themselves "American" "Australian" "Canadian" without anyone questioning their identity
Because American, Australian and Canadian are nationalities. Whereas English is an ethnicity. You don't get Anglo Americans calling themselves Cherokee, do you? And you don't get Anglo Aussies calling themselves Aboriginal, do you?
@@ringtail1410yea what they really mean when they say American, Canadian, and Australian, etc. is that they are white, and they exclude other races from this identity by saying the same things the lady in the vid says.
@@japjeetmehton9921 American, Canadian, Australian are nationalities, like British is. Cherokee, Aboriginal and Maori are ethnicities like English is. So no, it's not the same.
@@ringtail1410 Correct 💯 They would hauled over the coals for falsely claiming to be indigenous. On the flipside there are those in Australia that abuse the fact that they have 1% Aboriginal dna to claim the extensive list of benefits that comes with it including full university tuition schollarships and soon possibly state tax exemptions.
How is English an ethnicity
She lost all credibility with me when she said "polluting".
rudeness, but its okay, theres always one, it wont change anything
she lost all credibility with her main argument.
So, places that are predominantly black (Brixton, Peckham, Willesden...) are places of beauty that you'd say are desirable boroughs would you?
@@rnw2739 You haven't actually listed one borough. Clearly you know nothing of London and get your information from the Daily Mail.
@@rnw2739 And the shitholes throughout the world that are predominantly white?
Caller is right
I think it ended with a fair question. She started to lose me around the 2:47 mark when there are absolutely white Caribbeans, Africans etc. but to consider people being 'polluted'?... Completely lost me there.
@C Bee and how many black South Africans have you spoken to on the subject? Because their (black) President referred to Afrikaners as "the only white tribe that is truly African".
@C Bee also, in Peru they elected a man of Japanese ethnicity as their President. Bit odd for a country that supposedly treats other ethnics groups as "invaders" and does not accept their right to live there, don't you think?
@C Bee Nothing. same as they all do. We've gotten too soft, I think.
@@BurningMad 💕
@AspiretotheStars as an African, I agree with you for the most part. However most white South Africans haven't even tried integrating. I don't think many if any can pass the diversity DNA test.
Hahaha ha, "the whole world world is polluting everybody" there you have it in a nutshell.
It is a requirement for the survival of the species; if she could have it her way we’d all be breeding within our own families!
But not China.
She probably needs to take a hard look into what the British Empire did
@@ArthurKnight1899 and what did it do?
They are constantly adding parts of africa to the british empire....most odd !!!! 🤔🤨
Let's face it, she revealed her true colours with the polluting comment. Race and nationality are two entirely different things. He's quite clearly a black Englishman, it's pretty simple really.
There is no such thing as a bIack Englishman
@ringtail1401 Race and nationality are two different things. It's pointless arguing the point further if you disagree with facts.
@@pacman8320 As Lammy's nationality is British because he's a UK citizen, what is his English identity? Answer is he doesn't have one, because he isn't English.
@ringtail1401 what about someone who is half english?
@@ANDY1985UK2011 Then they're half and half. The English as a people are European, AKA white.
Lammy is 0%
Japanese are Japanese. Chinese are Chinese. Greeks are Greek. And English are English.
In Brasil I am recognised as Brasilian. Outside of Brasil everybody refers to me as British, despite having introduced myself as Brasilian because I speak English with a mild British accent and I looks European. In the end, much like the caller, the people that mistake me for British have the same misconceptions about Brasil and it's rich culture as the caller did about Caribbean culture and their considerable proportion of white nationals.
Well, racism isn't the concept that people cling to cause they are smart, so
In her defence, I could forgive her if she was mistaking nationality for ethnicity. But when she said “polluting,” I lost all respect.
Agree
that's the thing. "we" could tell in her tone, from the get, that she didn't deserve benefit of the doubt. but bc of what she represents, you are willing to give her that. y'all got a long way to go but keep doing the work and we'll get there lol props for "getting it" tho
shes completely ignorant
There are some people that can't carry on an intelligent, civil discussion. They just don't have the mental capability. Most of them can only repeat the propaganda that their media outlet spews. It's what they have been told to believe because they are too weak to have their own beliefs.
@@exeter1985 and they can vote
To summarise, English isn’t a race or ethnicity, it’s a nationality and Afro-Caribbean isn’t a nationality it’s a race or ethnicity. My nationality is British, my race is Anglo-Saxon, it’s so simple to understand.
Spot on mate.
English is an ethnicity, but it’s also a nationality. Someone that wasn’t born in England, like myself, or Boris Johnson, but has English parents, can identify as English, however, if you are born in England, you’re English, which is why Lammy is English. The term ‘English’ has biological and geographical origins.
No, English absolutely is an Ethnicity and Anglo-Saxon is not a race. What a dumb statement.
@@Hunter-ty7so the white English are not pure Angles though. They're mixed with Celts, Saxons and Normans. The term Anglo-Saxon is supposed to cover this. And that's without all considering all the other continental Europeans that have immigrated and blended into the white population over the centuries.
@@Hunter-ty7so so if you meet a white South African whose ancestors came from England, are they English?
As a black Brit I agree with her. We’re not English, we are British and that’s perfectly fine.
Facts
We should be proud from our ethnicity.
So if you are not English which part of Britain do your ancestors hail from?
The moment she used the word “polluting”, It confirmed what I already knew. Surprised Lammy remained so calm. I wouldn’t have been.
It confirmed for you that she is English and he isn't, he's an African. Yeah?
Are you another one that denies English is an ethnicity?
Why wouldn't you be calm? You're not English, this is news to you? 🙄
Nor me. She already had my heckles up by that time and I'm white English.
@@andrewhinds6560 Is an African just as English as you are, Andrew?
I looked at my surname and saw that I was Anglo-Saxon.
Oh so you're Danish? 😅
You don’t know what an Anglo-Saxon is 😂
@@jrobs1133 The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited England. They traced their origins to the 5th century settlement of incomers to Britain, who migrated to the island from the North Sea coastlands of continental Europe.
Aka North Germany and Denmark
@@JP-sm4cs and you know there were people in England already, don’t you? of whom several North European tribes mixed with. This mixing created the Anglo-Saxon culture. The Anglo-Saxon culture was cultivated in the land what is now called England. And the people of Anglo-Saxon culture came to eventually be known as the English, an ethnicity. Not sure where David Lammy fits into this story! Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t. 🤷♂️
@@jrobs1133 so you're telling me. Cultural mixing is a natural human phenomenon that has been happening since the dawn of time and we shouldn't be worried about letting new people in regardless of their ethnicity?
Interesting. I believe that's where David Lammy fits in here.
@@jrobs1133 Wow you've gloriously contradicted yourself in a single post, well done(!)
As a white Barbadian living in England this conversation resonates with me so much.
LOL! Funny thing, White Bajans were the first folks I thought of when I started listening to this. I had an image of Tony Cozier although, to be fair, his roots are in Scotland.
Barbados is practically a made up country which has been only around for a short time. While the English have been in Britain since the beginning of British history.
Every country is a made up country...
@@shanehenderson8756 Britain is made up country, it's only existed for a few hundred years. Ask one of my Scottish ancestors in the 1400s if they have any allegience to London
@@shanehenderson8756 LOL! And when did British history begin? 950,000 years ago, when Africans settled in Doggerland and what is now Britain or was it 8000 years ago, when the submersion of Doggerland created the island or was it with the Acts of Union in 1707?
The white woman is right. I was born in the UK. But I don't see myself as English. I'm black British. Not english
😂 England is one of the countries that makes up the UK.
England is a country, not a race. You can be black and still English/British, in the same way you can be white and still be classed as Caribbean.
@@DeadlyDizzle-yn1vz Dunno bout that. You can't be white and from the Caribbean.
@@Mr_Nigeria100 can you be white and from South Africa? Are Americans ok to be called American even though native Americans are not European?
@@Mr_Nigeria100there are plenty of white Caribbeans. What are you on about?!
Mr Lammy is not ethnically English.
What genome do ethnically English have?
He is not.
Nobody is "ethnically English". There is not such thing.
@@smaakjeks
Genomes do not define ethnicity on their own; you misunderstand genomics AND ethnicity!
See my reply to the other post here.
@@barryfoster453 I agree. Define the ethnicity of the English, then.
@@smaakjeks
You mean apart from language, skin colour and a common history? It's a set of values, of what we hold as dear and true to us, such as close family life, a work ethic, an adherence to law, a traditional Christian belief (I'm an atheist), a sense of fair play, a willingness to stand up to tyranny and defend ourselves, and a protection of the underdog. We also, of course, gave the world jurisprudence - our greatest export, and we are an incredibly inventive nation - giving the world more inventions and discoveries than any other nation on Earth per capita...including the one you are using now.
All of these and more define what we are. Other nations have very similar traits which make up their ethnicity, and some overlap, obviously.
This is why the world is a mess. People like this can vote.
This country especially
Jean definitely voted for Brexit (if she did vote) 😀
Ironic considering you don't understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality.
@@sh-hg4eg who doesn’t?
The world is a mess because indoctrinated imbeciles like yourself think people speaking sense should not be allowed ton vote
"Polluting",what an awful woman
Pure ignorance.
@@starbwoy133 And will never allow herself to be educated 🙄
Or her inheritance as she put it.
@Simon Goodwind sarcasm level 💯
Even in the 21st Century we still have bigots pushing "racial purity" nonsense. The only thing that's polluted is her tiny mind.
I would never say I’m English.. I’m Turkish by blood, but I’m proud to be British, as I was born here
An English person is both an ethnicity and/or nationality. One can be English BY NATIONALITY and not BY ETHNICITY.
I find comfort in knowing these dinosaurs don't have much time to live
True, also, the sad thing is these kind of dinosaurs never go extinct, they leave behind much of their knowledge to their children and grandchildren, hence the tradition goes on.
@@kinglang6393 Facts!!!!
@@kinglang6393 thankfully it does get weaker by generation as they don't have the social backing that they used too and children have the internet at their fingertips.
They will be more like her
Sadly judging by the comments elsewhere on this video, there are an awful lot of small minded bigots around. Still.
He's certainly got an anti-English attitude.
Why?
@@somethingelse516 Ask him.
@@rewdwarf123 you are the one making the assertion, the burden of proof is upon you
@@somethingelse516 have you never seen a Lammy interview.
@@SnowTricky it’s my experience that if one makes an assertion then one must provide the supporting evidence.
Massive admiration for Mr. Lammy's elegant, measured, kind and thoughtful deconstruction of every word from his interlocutor.
Is he a black man or not?
@@ringtail1410 not his skin is clearly brown as no one actually has black skin and cant its impossible no matter how dark lol and no one actually has white skin its also impossible just hold a white piece of paper up to your face and look in the mirror your see lots of colours but white won't be one of them I promise you lolllll
@@popssinor8921 You don't understand what a racial identifier is. 'Black' doesn't mean literally blackness, it means 'sub-saharan African' when talking about race. Lammy is an African, he is therefore not English at all. Ever.
@@popssinor8921 From wlkl - 'Black is a racialized classification of people, usually a political and skin color-based category for specific populations with a mid- to dark brown complexion. It is most commonly used for people of sub-Saharan African ancestry'
@@ringtail1410 yeah ummm you copy pasting wiki though? look up the source quoted for the copy paste on wiki... calling people by colour isn't even that old and is just a social construct which actually has zero true meaning due to the fact that no one actually has red skin or white or black or yellow 😂 we all know its used as a classification but its based on bs and the wiki paste actually does confirm what ive said on this 🤦🏾♂
Scottish blood, gimme a break
I don’t think they’ve invented medicine for this kind of ailment yet! Sadly!😂
2024 - REFERENDUM on MASS IMMIGRATION
what Anti Dave-lammatories? If only
It's called "self preservation". It's been 💯% effective wherever indigenous populations preserve themselves over colonisers like Lammy.
Nationality - Yes, ethnically - No
Citizenship*
That's not the question! And that's not the point the caller was making.
There's no such thing as English ethnicity.
@@burropoco If you're not English, then don't talk.
@@burropoco Yes there is, read a history book or 2
I admire David's patience...
Lammy is right that we’ve always been a nation of immigrants
The point he (deliberately missed and failed to make) is that these immigrants came mainly from surrounding white countries
Considering he's being called part of the pollution of the English gene-pool, he should be up for sainthood.
Patience with what? He has virtually no English ancestry therefore he is not English
I admire his ongoing delusion that he's English.
His patience? He just rattled off a bunch of moot points.
Watching live racism is something else. Big up Mr Lammy sir for keeping calm throughout.
It's not racism to state a fact
He is not ethnicly English it's just a fact not rasict.
Oh dear some people just don't get it .
@@preckle Yeah like David lammy struggling to understand he's an African
"You're an African-Caribbean."
Caribbean itself is non-African. By calling him "African-Caribbean", she accidentaly admits that different ancestries can combine.
I understand your point, but you are off on what these terms mean. They are the result of populating "the new world". The term Afro-Caribbean isn't describing a mix (even though there is a mix). Same as Afro-American, or my background as French-Canadian. It's basically populations misplaced from their ethic backgrounds to create a new identity in a new land, since these populations are only a few hundred years old.
Most of the native Caribbeans where killed off long ago, so I can promise, the term Afro-Caribbean isn't meant about the genetic mixing. It's literally describing peoples of African descent who now populate the Caribbean.
The caller is wrong on several levels, but a lot of people are confusing Nationality and ethnicity these days.
@@Danielson1818
I didn't mean "genetic mixing". By "different ancestries can combine", I meant broadly any amalgamation of multiple identities attributed to the ancestors of an individual. David Lammy has an African ancestry in the sense that his earlier ancestors lived in Africa, and he has also a Caribbean ancestry in the sense that his parents grew up in the Caribbean (Guyana), and their diachronic combination (across generations) is notionally represented by the term "African-Caribbean". My point is quite that ancestries can develop independently of genes.
@@mirandansa Lol. I understand what you are saying, and you don't have to break it down for my sake. However, It mostly sounds like we are in agreement, but apparently have slightly different descriptions. The caller was ignorant and rude on several levels, but there is nothing incorrect or obscene about the terminology. We both agreed on what the term Afro-Caribbean means. We just don't seem to agree about the phrasing of "different ancestries can combine". To me, combining ancestries means to be a genetic mix, like myself. A person of multiple ethnicities. However, I would argue that terms like that, Afro-American and French-Canadian are more descriptive of the travel of a culture to become a new one, not a combination, but a fluid change to a new culture with some amount of influence from the former.
At the end of the day, he is a British man by birth, and that is undebatable to anyone. Why those things are argued, I cannot understand.
Edit: Apologies for taking your original comment the wrong way. The phrasing had me a bit confused, by saying it's not African. It really seemed as if you were saying genetically, when you meant it in a more literal sense of geographically. If African people can become a new Caribbean, and that is accepted, then why can't an Afro-Caribbean be English if he was born there? Hence the caller being a hypocrite in logic. Apologies once again. The phrasing threw me off a bit.
Exactly correct
Let's be honest, she has no problem with black people claiming they are from or part of any predominantly black country.
She means, you're black so I don't accept you as English.
The term "pollution" speaks volumes about her mindset. I applaud his respect and willingness to talk to her.
The Afro-Caribbean mindset that makes disrespecting your elders a major no no is the main reason he was so respectful to that older "lady".
She was absolutely correct though. Much respect to the lady for her honesty.
@@gerardrbain1972 Plus the fact that he's so slow he probably didn't realise what she said till after the programme, lol.
He doesn't know what he's on about
She is so based, she can spit in his face and he'll take it.
She admits to being anglo-Saxon, so her ancestors are from Europe, mostly Germany. So incredibly ignorant!
You sound like one of the most ignorant so far, that's if you know what the word means. Germany was not a country in the 5th century when the Germanic tribes arrived in what is now England, I have never met an Englishman who is not proud of his Germanic ancestors and their great achievements, and I am a Celt, not Saxon by the way
@saxman Yes the Celts were here before the Saxons,as a Celt I am not too happy we were pushed out of what the Saxons call England ,but that is History . As far as I am concerned Celts and Saxons are brothers ,we have made Europe the great Continent it is today.
The way you say admits it is as if being White English,is a crime
@saxman Same here, she’s not arguing her ancestry isn’t Germanic, she’s saying someone who isn’t Anglo Saxon in heritage cannot magically become one.
Ignorant?! You're the one showing ignorance here. To be anglo-saxon IS to be English. We are genetically a mix of germanic tribes (not Germany, that didn't exist) and Celtic Britons. And we have existed that way for around 1500 years.
Spot ON, Am 100% Proud to be an African and Nothing can change That, Period.
Whenever someone says their Englishness is hugely important to them, I do worry. I say that as an Englishman. It's very odd thing to want to hold on to. Obviously, national identity is important, but it's far less important than the woman in question seems to think it is. Frankly, anyone who disproportionately proud of their heritage is probably incredibly dull. Respect your heritage, background, whatever you want to call it, but don't make it the focus of your character. Be more interesting than something you have no control over.
Well said, Andrew. The lack of education in schools is the sole drive of people such as her to let down the standards expected in this country. who you are and what means to be open-minded and welcoming individuals with different upbringings is indeed the backbone of British origin.
@@Bojara6697 I suspect she comes from a long line of bigots. It tends to be passed down through families, I'm afraid. It gets taught in the home, like a religious belief. Fortunately members sometimes escape the infection, marrying into other cultures, which is, perhaps, our best hope.
It's very strange.
Ethnically, maybe she should call herself Danish by her own logic.
Or lack of...
@@interestedlen8823 Indeed.
Respect
This is the electorate representing Brexit and supporting Boris Johnson!
Don't be so silly Matthew. That's a ludicrous comment.
@@apollomemories7399 why? He's completely right. These are the kinds of senile old plums that vote tory, believe it or not.
@@DistrictWitch Kinds? As in plural? You're listening to one single daft old bat and you think that's representative?
You're buttoned up the back. Yet, they give the likes of you a vote! There's the real problem.
A massively broad sweeping statement, generalising and trying to force people into stereotypes. You, sir, are a pillock.
@@apollomemories7399 99.99% she voted Brexit. 99.99% she votes Tory (or UKIP/Brexit Party)
"I've looked up my name right back to the Middle Ages"... And she's still living there.
Are we really at a point where ancestry does not matter anymore????
@@3DSgeekWhat matters is obviously relative to each person. Celebrating culture is beautiful, but having some form of radical nationalistic pride is toxic. I'm a bit more of a reductionist with here - we are all human beings, and we should focus on integration and unity, as opposed to an 'us vs them' narrative. Yes, in my case, it's exciting that my English grandfather 8 generations ago fell in love with and married a woman from Persia, and they settled in South Africa. But does this genealogy truly and entirely change or shape who I am, as a person? I think not. Most of my ancestors are Europeans, but do I identify as being intrinsically 'European'? Again, I think not.
@@3DSgeek Or gender or history or sense.
😂 smashed it
@@nickyhinchliff9218 If you want to abolish race as a concept then it has to be a communal effort. Which means people like Lammy have to stop identifying as black and whatever else as much as people like this woman need to stop identifying by their race. The latter is usually, today, in response to the former.
Browbeating one race while giving infinite concessions to other races won't work.
My parents are Scottish. If I had been born in China would I be Chinese?
Is a dog born in a stable, a horse ?
According to St. Bede the Venerable, the Anglo-Saxons were the descendants of three different Germanic peoples-the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. ... Ethnically, the Anglo-Saxons actually represented an admixture of Germanic peoples with Britain's preexisting Celtic inhabitants and subsequent Viking and Danish invaders.
@ads a equally so then she is not English either if she is saying she is Anglo Saxon?
England nor Britain is an enthicity.
They're countries.
England is a Celtic country. If the Anglos don't like it they can f**k off back to Europe where they came from!
Comin' over 'ere...
The Anglo Saxons are immigrants to the island of Alba. The original inhabitants are the same as the inhabitants of the island of Eire. So Lammy is also an immigrant to the island of Alba. He is as English as the Anglo Saxon lady. Because English is a nationality and nothing more. Btw Great Britain comes from greater Brittany as the island of Alba was absorbed into the norman kingdom from France. Also the royalty of England has been non Albion since over 1000 years ago.
ads a the only thing that makes her English is her constant need to criticize other people.
Ethnicity is not the same as nationality
English is an ethnicity
@@simoncooper3 It *can* refer to an ethnicity, but it can also refer to a language, a culture, a nationality, a condition of being.... Like "European" or "African". Words, my friend, can mean more than one thing.
@@thejoin4687 English is a language?!
@@simoncooper3 英語
@@thejoin4687 Ok mate. That's all from me. Have a great day
There is a confusion of ethnicity, culture and citizenship. These are very different ideas that will forever be 😕 confused
It's simpler than that. People don't understand the difference between nationality and heritage.
@@thestarshavefallen yes
@@thestarshavefallen actually, his nationality is British - all citizens of england/wales/scotland are British citizens, not english welsh scots (check the acts of union, also passport). Skin colour and place of origin are irrelevant for nationality.
Having said that, I am a brit, english, northenor, with white tagged onto the end as that seems to be the 'fashion' these days. I guess, for me, Mr Lammy would be, brit, english, londoner, with afro-caribbean tagged onto the end.
I do disagree fundamentally with the sub-divisions, whether fashionable or not, as the world is tribal enough without creating additional 'differences', when we should all be marveling at/reveling in the variety that the word humanity represents.
@@WE-ej2sv No.. English people are natives that have ancestry going back thousands of years on these islands.
@@WE-ej2sv so someone moves to England from Pakistan tomorrow who haved lived in Pakistan all there lives and r Pakistani natives, then they have a child the next day in England you reckon they r English wrong plain and simple
Lammy im English ..i got SCOTTISH blood in me hahaha
My jaw dropped at polluting 😱🤯
yes, that was nasty
Bet she voted brexit 🤔
Sheltered life?
@@shugd3 why?
Blatant racism
"You're African-Carribean." She immediately gives a clear recognition that you can view yourself as having an identity formed by heritage from two entirely separate places. She just has no clue that would also apply to being English because she clearly views all places with black people as the same.
@ricky brooks Hi Ricky, I think the idea is that no nationality has to be limited by heritage. The idea that it is limited by heritage fails to recognise the history of human migration.
Take America where only Native Americans have 'true' American heritage, but most of the American population today is white (e.g. Irish American). No one is saying that Native Americans aren't American in a similar way that no one is saying Anglo-Saxons (dual heritage in itself) aren't English.
Being more open in your definition of nationality isn't a threat, it's an opportunity to be inclusive and subsequently learn from others. You can be patriotic without excluding others.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on that 😊
@ricky brooks yeah lol 😆are you dumb 🤣
@ricky brooks why are you afraid ? Who hurt you ?
@@fab-ian Thanks!
Just a side note. It's always been funny to me that one country (united states of America) in a whole continent lay claim to the title "American" that actually belongs to everyone on that continent.
She might have the voice and the aestetics of being an old lady, but her words are straight poison and her narrative is disgusting. The aspect of "pollution" for me was absolutely insane
I think everyone has to accept ignorance and racism will always be around. Hate breeds hate unfortunately
still, lammy isnt english...
@@enochpowel4580 I've had your ma.
@@enochpowel4580 , he isn't ethnically English but he never claimed to be. He and most other people aren't talking about ethnicity when they use the term "English". You can try to police how others use words if you want but you will fail. You don't get to decide how words are used.
@@enochpowel4580 the English are German, French and Nordic, so you're not British in the slightest
He is not English. He is Israeli.
😂😂😂
LOL!
He is a Jew
He Is Israeli Just Like 99% of Parliament.
does he support israhell?
I can just imagine the Union Jack flag proudly flying in her garden.
I don't want to be the one to point out to her that by her logic most of the immidiate royal family are Greek 😃
The Union Jack of course being the flag of “Britain”, and the Royal Family of course being the “British” Royal Family. There’s a lot of idiots who can’t distinguish between England and Britain I’ve noticed. Welcome to the club 😂
@@jrobs1133 The Union Flag (correctly) was invented by James I in his desperate attempt to be accepted by the English, most of whom did not want him as King or his family, or his Scots heritage. The flag was his attempt at having the 'United Kingdom'. That didn't happen until 1707. The flag is clearly not a 'Jack' which is triangular. It became known as the Union Jack because Jacques was the French for James; the Stuart's best friends.
@@greyghost2212 It’s still the flag of Britain.
@@jrobs1133 it's commonly associated (wrongly) as the flag of the UK, it is however understandable because although it represents the 4 nation's, the UK is by far the main nation of that 4.
@@chrisperry5244 Everyone knows it as the flag of the British. It does not matter that England is the largest nation. The individual nations have their own flags.
Because he's not English. Why would he not want to call himself a British man of afro Caribbean descent living in Britain? I live and was born in England, I am of Scottish, Welsh, Irish and English descent. I love England but I am British and cannot call my self English (as my Welsh grandfather would remind me) I am proud of my ancestry as he should be!
@@thecaretaker407 Well maybe... But as my DNA test said 66.66 percent Irish, scott's, Welsh and 33.33 percent English I think I will go with the dna results thanks!
@@thecaretaker407 Have you ever done a DNA test? If your DNA is from another area ie Italy /France it will show up in your DNA results. I have just told you where I am from!
If you have English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ancestry, you can claim all of these - no matter what your Welsh grandfather might have to say about it.
You are not your grandparent. My grandfather was Irish and I'm English.
That's your problem mate. He is british, English and whatever he chooses.
And she is Anglo-Saxon, who were immigrants from modern day Germany.
That's a much different kind if migration
@@rosswhitlock3025 yes it was an armed invasion
@@rosswhitlock3025 that means it is somehow an "acceptable" migration versus more modern ones?
@@alexkilgour1328 what do you mean
@@somethingelse516 exactly. They were conquered, not subverted.
Lammy is a total joke!
Being English just means you were born in England. It’s not a claim about race.
Yes
This is UK version of Karen.
Lammy is the male version of a Kareniqua.
So by this logic if a prince is born in a stable its a horse. Omg
@@marvinbryant4965 Except a stable isn't a country mate
Why does he call himself Afro Carribean .Is nobody born here BAME .Am I English British then
Is it true that blonde-haired women in England have to cover up, in case they are called a Karen.
Notting Hill Carnival, how many of the people born here, go there every year to celebrate their ancestral homeland and culture ? they do it because they feel they belong more to that country than this, if they didn't feel that, they wouldn't need a carnival now would they?
There ancestral land as you a say was created by the Great British Empire
@@ktagoe Are you saying they have no history other than colonialism? Tut tut
@@mblack422 No what I'm saying is their ancestral land as you call it was created by the British because carnival is a Caribbean tradition .
Because people like you don’t make them feel welcome or make it even more difficult for them be a part of the British culture
@@mblack422 You wouldn't think so, what other history have they talked about, slavery, none stop.
Wats so special about being English?
You are not English be proud of your background
I'm not white or black, but even I would agree with this statement. It was bizzare to hear him disagree with her
This lady is properly representative of the way much of the world looks on English folk for quite a while now 👌
That's babble sure, there are people like her but in no way is she representative
Jeez Louise … we are not all like this 🤷🏻♀️‼️
Commonwealth countries fought to be Independent and “not live under the british” So why come here?
@@Jack-fs2im Choosing to live somewhere and having those from a foreign country invade your native home under forced rule is somewhat different and not comparable
@@trollobite1629 So thats their excuse for leaving to live with their masters is it.Where is their pride.Turning their back on their own
AM A BLACK MAN BORN HERE AND I WOULD NEVER SAY AM ENGLISH. AM PROUD TO BE AFRICAN/CARIBBEAN.
Yh she’s making sense, she can’t be black as he can’t be white, it’s impossible. He can be British as a national not English.
@@asasjsajs and you are confusing nationality with ethnicity..just like she did.
@@lisamilley9913 no confusion. British is a nationality, English is an ethnicity. Lammy can be the former, never the latter. Get it?
Go back to Africa/Carribean then. Why live on a land where you can’t call yourself a national?
@@kevinskinner7189what specific genetic makeup makes you ethically English?
Basically England is a country, so if you're born in England then you're English regardless of ethnicity
Just not true
@@Deeejjj64It is. There’s a difference between ethnicity/nationality and race. His nationality is English since’s he’s a citizen there.
@@MrColey786 no
@@allye4228 why can you disrespect English as ethnicity but try it with Nigerian or Japanese and that's out of order?
@@Deeejjj64 I never said he was ethnically British, but you can be nationally British.
Your nationality and your ethnicity are not synonymous.
That said, there is no such thing a an "English" ethnicity.
@@AlbertaGeek, Of course, there is, the Germanic tribes who came here all shared the same ethnicity, as do their descendants, the English
@@libertyvalance7715 And what of the Celtic tribes who went there? And the Mediterranean tribes who went there? And the Slavic tribes who went there? Since they all share the same ethnicity, as do their descendants, they must also be of "English" ethnicity.
*My point from the start being* that the English are a mixture of several different ancient tribes, so much so that any talk of a singular English "ethnicity" is, well, foolish.
And if you want to be more accurate about it, "Germanic", "Celtic", "Slavic", etc. are *_linguistic_* groups, not ethnicities. Designating them as the latter is anthropologically fuzzy at best.
The bottom line is that lineage-wise, we're all African, and anyone who has a problem with that should shut up, put on their big boy pants, and just deal with it.
@@AlbertaGeek The clue is in the name Anglo Saxon, shortened to English. I am a Celt,and the Celts were driven out of England there was no share and share alike ,the entire Country spoke only a Germanic dialect until the Norman invasion if what your saying was true then the Gaelic language would have survived along with the Germanic language's of the Angles and Saxons
@@libertyvalance7715 I’m welsh and as white as they come and we still have a language descended from Gaelic
I'm so sorry people like this are given airtime. David Lammy has my admiration for remaining so calm and eloquent in the face of this pigheaded racism.
I agree with you 100%.
Sadly there's no real legislating for idiocy.
You're sorry the truth is given airtime? Better that people get away with lying though their teeth? Okay then
You're sorry because obviously the truth hurts. It's kind of sad that instead of sticking to the original topic, you have to try and censor someone's opinion.
Every condescending "hmm" she made between every sentence he made raised my blood pressure tenfold
Same - fortunately she and the rabid commenters in this section represent a very low (and shrinking) percentage of residents of England that align the label of "English" with any sort of genetic component and the overwhelming majority in line with the more reasonable position that having been born in England regardless of your ancestry makes you English. This was from a Guardian piece on the subject:
"Just over 10% of people believe that ethnicity is an important determining factor in being English, compared to 20% from a 2012 study, according to British Future and the Centre for English Identity and Politics, which is about to publish its follow-up to the 2012 study, This Sceptred Isle.
The biggest change was noted among over-65s, where the importance of whiteness fell from 35% to 16%. The new data could challenge the perception that the 2016 Brexit referendum reflected an increase in xenophobic English identity. The findings suggest that during the time of the Brexit vote, perceptions of English identity were becoming more, rather than less, ethnically inclusive."
Same here! She is disgusting!
Oh same
Haha same … she was so proud when Lamy said “England went round the world colonising and conquering”. She’s a backward ignoramus
@@CinHotlanta I think you'll find it's a lot more than that I'm afraid.
So she’s saying white Europeans are considered English. What about white Europeans with same ancestors that moved to America, Canada, Australia? Why are they not considered English? Do you lose your ethnicity if move to different country?
They are. George Washington was English. Donald Trump is Scottish and German. Biden always tells us that he's Irish. They're describing their ethnicity. American, Canadian, Australian are nationalities like British. English is an ethnicity like Cherokee. Is Donald Trump a Cherokee native American because he was born in America? Is Elon Musk a Zulu? No. Lammy isn't English for the same reasons.
I am 450 years removed from England, and we still consider ourselves English. After colonizing America and New Zealand, we still identify as English ethnically. Im sorry you have no right to steal my identity.
I just love the cavalier way she throws around the phrase pollute when she talks about the mixing of races.. Lord have mercy
☢️send her to coventry or even better Chernobyl
Whats even more depressing is that she knows how to use the word pollute but probably doesn't even believe in climate change
I'm deeply offended by the word "pollution" I'm mixed ethnicity,
@@suzischwarz4083 You dont represent the "mixed ethnicity" population sister, you are just a drop in the ocean
Lord or religion has nothing to do with it. A fairy story for kids.
If my grandmother had wheels she woulda been a bike. Ginooo
No. Im not going to go there. Too easy.
WHEYYY. lads lads lads
That's if you could afford a bike.Many walked miles to their pace of employment. They had to "prioritise" , every crust. You're Grandmother ,was lucky !
Is she not trying to say "English" is an ethnicity rather than a nationality?
yes
With all the movements of populations over the centuries inside the British Isles to say that English is truly an ethnicity is to say = Heinz 57.
She’s 100% true
Then again she might have a point the english are also an ethnicity as well as a nationality with their own distinctive culture and language spanning over a thousand years or so, same could be said about the chinese with their own culture and ethnicity and so forth.
@@karasimmons7122 The English are an ethnicity and a nation, but not a nationality. No one has 'English' on their passport. The nationality of the UK is British citizen.
The fact is the English are a tribe who have white skin. Lammy is African. If Lammy was born in China would that make him Chinese?
Goodness me! I salute you sir. I would have lost it so bad with this woman
You’d lose it bad with a woman? Says a lot, doesn’t it.
Why, are you an African pretending to be English, also ?
@@greyghost2212 What does this even mean?
@@RichTake If you can't work that out you have to be dim.
@@gammonsandwich1756 let's say I am dim. Can you explain what said person meant.
Nigerians born in England. Are British by birth. But their origins are Nigerians.
If they're born in England they're English idiot
English Alkebulan would be the correct term
Yes, which is why they're just African colonisers.
Having a passport doesn't make you English. You're about as English as you are Japanese.
Having what passport?
@@thejoin4687 The passport to a country that's quickly going down the tube.
David, you are very generous in speaking to this elder in the manner you did there. Salute 🫡
A little eduction is required here - There’s a difference between nationality and ethnicity. Lammy can rightly describe himself as being of British nationality but he can’t describe himself as being ethnically English. Like he said himself, he is ethnically Afro/Caribbean.
Ofc there is a difference between the two but what is ethnically English? England is a nation not an ethnicity. Also, ethnicity is a very difficult thing to tie down due to it also being to do with cultural identity etc
@@buennabus527 incorrect
@@tonyfulton9966 which part(s)?
@@buennabus527 All of it.
@@buennabus527 I’d say English can be an ethnicity and a nationality. A non white person would be English by nationality as well as British by nationality if they were born and raised in England and a white person born in America can be English by ethnicity
English/French/German/Irish are not just labels that you can adopt. They are thousands of years of culture and ancestry that no piece of paper can give you. England belongs to the English
"Thousands of years of culture and ancestry...." The English are descended from Germanic and Scandinavian tribes. They don't have thousands of years of culture and ancestry.
@@geoffpoole483 Yes they do. The vikings, saxons came here thousands of years ago and met the celts with the normans arriving later which was a thousand years ago.
Lol.
Those are all nationalities and ethnicities NOT races.
He is, black or Afro-Caribbean British/English
Race: Black
Nationality: British/English
Ethnicity: Caribbean and Black British/English
Nationality: belonging to a particular nation (where you were born)
Ethnicity: is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of folklore, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area. THIS INCLUDES BEING BRITISH /ENGLISH
Race: a social construct , an invented form of identity that groups humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society.
England does not belong to the English, whatever you mean by 'English'. England belongs to a few aristocrats (above all the German royal family), a few super-rich families who made their fortune at the time of colonialism and slavery, and (sons of) immigrants like Rausing, Al Jaber, Hinduja, Blavatnik, etc. The remaining 99% of the population are mainly plebs who barely own their smelly socks.
She's talking about his genetic ethnicity, he's talking about his nationality.
.......he is talking of commonality in humanity ......she is using terms like pollution......
Englishness is not an ethnicity.. So 70% of football players who play for England are not English?
@@humanbeing8272 I mean their ancestral roots may not be English. For instance if they're black then probably from Africa, if brown then somewhere from middle East or Indian Subcontinent. You see what I mean? Although the modern British "natives" are a result of interbreeding with Germans and Danes too.
@@gmclon3511 they have a weird way of justifying their lack of intelligence. Talk about separating people sheesh. Saying black people are pollution is pretty deep if you think about it. Jean hasn’t been outside her hometown to know anything, and this guy probably as well
@@humanbeing8272 You're correct, they're not English. The rules regarding "representing" England at sport are a little different to what makes a person English. John Barnes played football for England and wasn't even born here.
I’m black and British with Caribbean descendants. I identify as Caribbean over English and proudly so
You're a self hating cuck.