A Regal Han Dynasty (Chinese 2000 Year Old) Jian, or Sword - Design & Replication
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2021
- Talking about the design and replication of a Royal status Han Dynasty (2000 year old) jian (sword), based on an archaeologically found example.
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Loving the love you've been giving to Chinese weapons recently!
TIL that 'thicc ass' is a valid academic term used to describe swords.
Get that filth out of here! A gentleman says, "thicc arse".
@@Robert399 "Excessive roundation of the rear section", is the clerical term.
Matt Easton: "I'm british, I have a license to jump between imperial and metric measurements; thus confusing both Americans and everyone else alike!"
"The _tang._ "
Tang Dynasty?
"No. Just the tang."
The Tang, it’s powdered drink mix.
Those swords are allways full tang.
Again, say TONG, the closest English pronunciation.
Ah, Chu!
@@StryderK me wondering why are you talking about copper
until your chinese sword videos, i had no idea how beyond gorgeous they are. i had only ever seen the ones sold in china for martial arts practice, which i never liked. these are so beautiful. LK Chen is doing a hell of a job with these.
Martial arts practise sword is just for performance purpose. The real swords being used in ancient battlefield of China obviously weren't these light modern martial art swords. They were incredibly tremendous in terms of functionality, stiffness, quality and gorgeousness.
The Chinese designs have got me interested in this channel again, they look so damn good 🤩
I do love Chinese swords. For some reason the design of them just seems so beautiful to me. Possibly due to me spending way too much time watching wuxia pian films as a teenager/young adult. hell, I even wrote my first dissertation on why A Touch of Zen by King Hu beats Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon into a cocked hat 😅
$400 is actually pretty affordable.
Especially with that lacquered beauty of a scabbard.
Just bought one loved the look and review so much😁
only 400? i was expecting it to be like 800-1000, especially with that scabbard and the pattern welding
It's actually insanely affordable. It's kind of amazing.
@@ArcticGator Being an exploited factory land, labour and material is much more cheaper in China.
I have to say that I absolutely love your videos and I’m happy you’re doing videos on Chinese weapons as it’s a topic you hardly see (well at least in the West). Your videos have educated a lot of people, myself included, about such a fascinating civilization that I hope to learn more about. Funnily enough, my interest in Chinese history actually came about after watching “The Last Emperor”
I’m wondering if you plan on doing any videos on Chinese polearms, the “dagger-axe” comes to mind, I actually became fascinated by Chinese polearms after watching the movie “Hero” (2002). Anyways, keep up the great work!
As a person of Chinese descent, I've love to coverage of Chinese pole arms as well since you often see many different types depicted in historical art as well standing in the background in many old kung fu movies. The only problem that I can see is that I'm not sure that anybody makes proper, functional replicas of these pole arms. I suspect that most, if not all, that you can find on the market are of designs commonly used in kung fu and have that flimsy/floppy blades typical of kung fur weapons.
I still hope one day to see a Nandao review.
I know LK Chen did made some polearms, two kinds of Ji halberd(kind of like improveed dagger axe), and one kind of Pi(kind like a sword staff, or spear with very big tip).
Yes!! Guandaos please!!😍😍
@@Riceball01 There are fully functional replicas of Lang ya Bang, Dadaos, axes, maces, Guan Daos, polearms, lances & spears.
They do cost a pretty penny though (Some going as far as to the >$2k), good luck finding one that sells outside of China
I own one and love how light and balanced it feels. I have not tried cutting anything yet.
Great review and a lovely sword. I hope LK Chen eventually starts selling disassembled polearms that we can reassemble ourselves. Their halberds and swordstaffs look very interesting.
Purchased one of these a few days ago, so glad to find someone discussing it there is not much out there
Great stuff mate, very interesting episode! Just one very minor remark: When referring to the pre Han dynasty 周 "Zhou", you should pronounce it like the English name Joe rather than "Choo". Normally it is a detail than can be overlooked and attributed to the lack of familiarity of most "westerners" with the Chinese romanized transcription system in Latin letters (Pinyin), if it weren't for the fact that the mispronounced "Choo" ("chu" in Pinyin) 楚 refers to a different political entity/kingdom of the Zhou Dynasty. So distinguishing between a) Zhou "Joe" 周 and b) Chu "Choo" 楚 is of major importance in order to avoid misunderstandings.
Other than that, very well done, mate!
Cheers*
I know THAT feeling cause my last name is exactly Zhou! Same Chinese character. Throughout my life, heard various pronunciation. I eventuallygave up and told people just call me Joe! It’s not exactly precise but close enough.
That's a beautiful sword despite how minimalist the design is.
Or indeed, because of.
Minimalist designs can be real pretty.
Not all coz minimalism is sort of in a thin line between less is more kinda pretty, and I'm too lazy too even bother 😅
Early Chinese aesthetic is minimalism (which is what the Japanese inherited) compared to the later medieval periods of Yuan-Ming which were starting to become more lavish due to middle eastern influence and by Qing completely outlandish and foreign to the early Chinese aesthetic.
@@hwasiaqhan8923 great understanding for Chinese aesthetics!
This vid is really informative to me! Love your Jian and Dao reviews Matt!
British Museum actually has a 2000 years old "replica" Han dynasty sword (reviewed by Scott Rodell).
That's a beautiful sword. Perfect design imo. Chinese swords are just awesome.
Wow, I learned a lot! Thanks for the amazing showcase! So professional.
Ohhh .. fancy me one of those!! Good looking and practical too - hhmmnnn ... Thanks for the great review Matt, these LK Chen swords look fantastic
Can't wait to see the comparative cutting testing of the Chinese swords you've got recently - that should be fun, interesting and instructive!
I wonder if you've got a favourite thus far??
Great video, thank you! The still photograph at 0:33 shows some fittings for a "jade-fitted sword", which was used by royalties and nobilities during that period: the three pieces on the wall on the left are a pommel and two guards fitted to the sword, and on the right two belt loops and a chape as fitted to the scabbard. Obviously these jade-fitted swords were extremely expensive luxuries, the one you showed us would be something like a Mercedes rather than a Rolls-Royce, so to speak!
I've heard (but don't know for sure) that one of the reasons the pommel is so flat and broad is so that the user can use their off-hand to press against the pommel with the palm of their hand to deliver a particularly devastating thrust, intended mainly to be used against an armored opponent against gaps in the armor.
Such techniques do exist in the martial arts of today.
This is considered high tech weaponry at the time, compared to the rest of the world.
Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this!
The chinese were essentially 1000+ years ahead of europe metalurgically if they were able to do this. That is astonishing, Chinese history is pretty underrated. With Katanas being so popular, these swords which are just as beautiful yet they are contemporary with the roman empire. It's crazy to think about, whilst the romans were taking over Europe with a gladius, the chinese had longswords before they were cool.
It'd be interesting to see what would have happened if Rome had battled ancient China.
@@grantsolomon7660 pretty much impossible for both ancient China or Rome to meet face to face let alone battled each other
Yeah but be Devil,let your imagination take you there.It would be interesting to see which tactics would win . Personally I'm biased towards the Chinese wining but Roman soldiers were pretty tough little fascists.
In fact I have seen a documentary concerning a lost Roman mob of soldiers showing up somewhere in China.Pretty interesting.
PS I'm with you about Chinese metalergy.Chinese weaponry is highly sophisticated, the problem is that there's a break in the majority of CMA from the fighting traditions .So weapons are often a training aid . I've done Kung Fu for a long time and although I'm passable I have some insight to Chinese weapons but I still reckon it would be an interesting battle.
Your knowledge of swords outside Europe amazes me. How did you learn all this information?
Thx mate, you never fail to teach
I was just looking at these! That's a nice coincidence. I'm thinking of getting one for my 18th I will watch this to see if I'll go for it.
Another excellent review, sir. I love my Flying Phoenix Jian and my Frontier Tang Dao from them and my biggest problem is deciding which one to get next when I can afford one. Trying to decide between the Scarlett Sunrise Jian, the Gale Wind Jian or the Tang Heng Dao...
I know this is a year old comment but I have almost all of his swords and the gale wind is the winner out of those.
The Chu kingdom has two historical meaning, one is the pre unification Chu of the warring states period
Another one is the contestant with the later Han regime.
The earlier Chu lasted 800 years (spring autumn warring states)
ruclips.net/video/L4piTzf7y70/видео.html
The inscription on the scabbard seems to be Chu kingdom " bird and worm hieroglyphics"
Which is a very highly decorative writing pattern unique to Chu kingdom characters.
There are 25 years in between the two which is the Qin Dynasty.
ruclips.net/video/HLR9Le_lHy0/видео.html
(This is the most historical accurate depiction of weapons in drama, ignore some
Historical inaccuracies as some dramatization is used to spice up the story)
The characters "Chu river, Han territory" written on the Chinese chess board
Is depicting the rivalry between the Chu and Han.
Which is mainly between the grandchildren of ex-Chu general Xiangyan, that is Xiangyu
And Han founding father Liubang.
ruclips.net/video/nrYp2njgLJw/видео.html
The song " Ambush from ten directions" as well as story of
" King departing his concubine" is depicting this part of history.
You've sold me on LK chen swords, ive ordered a 'Roaring Dragon', but the 'soaring sky' looks like a lovely one-hander.
The relentless advertising paid off then. The channel sponsors will be happy.
@@jimmyw7530 and I definately mentioned to the seller that this channel and also Skallagrim's helped make the sale. Hopefully they send more youtube sword people free swords
@@treyfelter5133 excellent work. Don’t get me wrong. They make some lovely swords and the first few videos were interesting... However every couple weeks now it is “here is the same sword design, with a slightly different grip and guard”... 20 min video. This is becoming rather dull indeed. There is a whole world of sword design to explore!
Thanks for the review. I also like the LK Chen Swords. Maybe I will get one of their Jian in the future. But for now I am saving for an European Design, because I already have a Chinese Sword in my collection, the Hanweil Oxtail Dao which I really like.
That is an AMAZING blade!
The best royal swords during that time had ornements made of Hetian jade (a type of hight quality nephrite jade). I tried to get someone to make one for me but it's near impossible, because it would require someone who's familiar with jade carving to collaberate with someone who has a lot of experience with Han dynasty swords. And both are rare these days hehe. If I were to have enough free time I would buy a blade from LKchen and assemble one by myself.
Dude, jade of such quality only exists in very few locations, and one pf them is in China, and there this kind of jade costs a FORTUNE!.
@@Jamhael1 Well, the best options are Nephrite from Russia or China. For me, of course I would find some moderate white Hetian Jade in China. The cost of jade is controllable. But it's hard to communicate with the jade carver. There are reproduction swords with jade ornaments in China whose overall quality is very much similar to LK's swords, but the inferior jade makes it a bit pointless. Making high quality repro with very good jade ornaments would require me to custom order four jade pieces from a very good jade carver, and each piece must be in spec with the sword. This is very costly time wise and money wise. I will be looking at starting point of around USD7,000 for the whole production cost.
@@alexwang2419 for that starting price that you provided, I would not even go for a simple repro, I would go for a custom sword already - with this amount of cash, I would request an original blade that would not exist nowhere in the planet.
@@Jamhael1 By repro I meant any reproduction swords based on historical designs. The blade part is very easy. The challenge here is putting things together.
I have this sword, and love it. It cuts great for me, though as it is my only sword I can't give any comparitive feedback. My only complaint is that the detail on the lacquer is fragile and can be flaked off if you are not careful. I can confirm the video's review is fair and accurate.
@scholargladiatoria cut test on this please. Definitely intrigued.....
You mentioned at one point that you can tell it's old because of the eight sides, but I've seen reference from Chinese sources (not academic) to eight faced blades in general use and circulation on an individual basis as late as the Tang period. My impression was that they were an oddity in that time period, but some might prefer them - perhaps for lending an air of historicity or a similar aesthetic reason. I wonder if this is historically accurate or a later narrative contrivance.
Would love to see more high end Roman period or pre Roman period replicas.
Very few people talk about swords in archaeology. This is interesting.
@matteaston Matt having seen this lovely replica, do you have an example of similar sword from the T’ang dynasty ? I always liked the Judge Dee stories that Robert van Gulik wrote and an idea of T’ang weapons would be interesting (to me anyway !).
Could you speak on the evolution of steel? What were the major turning points in the evolution of sword steel across time and geography? Did some countries hang onto inferior steel? Did different countries have steel specific to their purpose? Did steel quality peak and then decline as swords became principally decorative?
The hand slipping down to gain more reach is a techniek in wushu I think. I thought there was a techniek were your bassicly throw the blade forward without letting it fly out of your hand, and stand one leg giving counter balance with the other to while extending your body fully to perform a trust with the absolute maximum reach. This could also be just a move for spears I'm not 100% about that, but I thought it was used with jian too.
They look wonderful :>
Chinese weapons have the coolest names. Like the Sioux have the coolest people's names.
Imagine a Sioux wielding a Chinese sword.
"Black Hawk's Regal Soaring Sky" -- so much awesome!
I think it is just model names from the manufacturer, not actual names.
@@alicelund147 Chinese naming conventions. For example, GuanYu's weapon is romanticised as the Azure Dragon Crescent Blade while Lu Bu's weapon was known as the Sky Piercing Great Halberd.
Modern manufacturers or not, these naming conventions aren't exactly new.
@@1Invinc aha, old European names are like Joyeuse (joyous), Durendal (Unsure meaning). And Norse swords Tyrfing (Unknown meaning) and Gram (Wrath). I think they where like names for persons.
Matt, I'm still mad about you calling me out the other day. Scared the context right out of me.
I have an lk chen sword and its great. Hope they make an oxtail dao
I mentioned this on Patreon a while back, but I believe the reason we see weapons like this in China and not Rome is because wealthy and powerful Romans did not function as elite warriors like knights or samurai. Somebody like Crassus or Cicero wouldn't flex on other Senators with some crazy new model of sword. They couldn't even legally carry a sword inside the Pomerium. Later knights or gentlemen obviously wanted both to flex on scrubs with their new swords as well as actually maximize their fighting ability...neither really meant much to wealthy Romans who weren't carrying swords, fighting duels, or doing much personal fighting on the battlefield.
@@PJDAltamirus0425 Well, even a katana that can cut through a tank won't save you from poison or being killed in your sleep by the Praetorians.
I know that earlier Chinese (and contemporary) bronze sculptures (generally wildfowl) had hollow neck sections which were given structural rigidity with an iron core, and have always wondered whether such an 'advancement' ever transposed from sculpture to art.
Early Han steel swords would have been designed to go up against bronze swords, while latter Han swords would go against other steel swords. I wonder if there was any advantage to using an eight sided steel swords against the bronze swords of its day?
Very very slick, modern, light weight, finely crafted cutting edge design, no bullshit at the tail. Wonder if I could get one from Aliexpress.
Looks nice. Reminded me of a conversation in rapierists.
Extra cool sword
Hey what are your thoughts on a review of Darksword's Sage sword? It would be interesting to get your opinion on a leaf-bladed long sword. I know people don't really like to do review of Darksword to often given their "past" swords have been a bit hit or miss on quality. It would be nice to see how much or little they have improved.
Do the Kingston arms sidesword review!
Do you have any plans on covering Turk or Mongol swords? They are almost never covered by westerners and I'd love to learn more about them from some one like you :)
Cool swords.
Matt, will we be seeing the Silver Swallow Miadao from LK Chen on your channel?
Yes, I received it last week.
@@scholagladiatoria excellent! Looking forward to your review. It’s quite a beautiful piece.
Have you ever talked about the sword discourse of the Maiden of Yue on this channel? You mention the Han-Chu connection here, but Chu had conquered Yue, who had been renowned for their swords, and who credited their sword techniques to a woman. Very interesting especially to compare/contrast with the Walpurgis Fechtbuch (i.33). On both sides of the continent, our earliest surviving sword instructions are credited to women. And there's a line from the "maiden of Yue" through the swords of Chu, Qin and Han.
I'm just binging all your chinese sword content atm lol.
Is it safe to parry with the middle section? Looks pretty silm
Does this have another name, Matt? It’s not on their site by that designation.
Great sword, quite long for a one handed sword and scary fast. My soaring sky passes the free standing bamboo cut test... though it takes me a few tries.
there is certainly something to be said about chinese sword design, a mix of ornate and simple that i really like.
Matt, are there any other makers of Chinese swords worth reviewing? LK Chen gets a lot of coverage on this channel.
LK Chen send me swords. If another maker wants to send me swords to review, then I'll review them :-)
But I don't know of any other maker of early period Chinese swords based on actual archaeological examples. Most of the jian and dao sold by other makers are basically fantasy.
Wondering whether this additional bevel stems from work hardening the edges of the bronze swords...
What's your opinion?
I don't know. Certainly they did work harden the edges and we also see secondary bevels on European bronze swords, so it makes sense. Though I wonder if it's also due to edge durability, as we also see plenty of steel sword designs with secondary edge bevels (eg. tulwar).
@@scholagladiatoria Actually, I haven't found any definitive evidence for work hardening the edges on chinese bronze blades in english or chinese journals, but going into the warring states many chinese bronze swords were bimetallic meaning that that a roughly 11% tin bronze spine would be cast and then 16-19% tin bronze edges would be cast directly onto the core. In my opinion, these complex multicast blades could be quite thick and needed double fullers to reduce weight.
@@scholagladiatoria Right, maybe something to do with it being so early in the use of steel? Maybe their steel and understanding of heat treatment etc was not the best yet? I wonder, did LK's studies include analysis of the steel of the originals? I don't know anything about it, but I guess at least some researchers do e.g. crystallographic analysis of the metal to understand how it has been heat treated etc. Though I have no idea if those properties of the metal survive over 2000 years, or if the crystal structure changes during aging.
You mentioned the small guards for Japanese swords - what’s your take on these?
I love the look of chinese weapons. They all look awesome!
12:21 That's not the center of percussion you're testing for with the wiggle test, that's the center of rotation, which is a different thing. I'll assume you misspoke, because you should know that. Do longswords sometimes have a center of percussion past the end of the point? Of course not, but sometimes their center of rotation is.
My understanding of the flat pommel is that much like a rondel dagger, sometimes you put your other hand flat on the back to help force a thrust.
The ray skin is not genuine on these swords, which is a shame, because I quite like the quality of the blades.
I had thought it was. Pity.
it's only about an inch long as well and doesn't cover the whole grip underneath, at least with my magnificent chu. still an awesome sword but kinda disappointing
That's a bit disappointing, but if they were going to skimp on something, at least it was only something superficial like that. (And the skimping out was done deceptively well.)
Where can I find a sword like this one?
i want one so bad
was it being used 2 handed? probably depended on the hand sizes of the users.
Those bronze far east swords are pretty interesting looking. They look a lot like a gladius to me.
curious if combining western and eastern sword concepts, what would you end up with, say starting with a katana blade and going from there.
I would personally start with a different blade, but that's just my preference. I like something better for thrusting.
Like it, the diamond guard can be replaced, to cocer spikey four curls outwards 5 cm.
Node of resonance is where is wave stops?
Yes.
Prefer my Flying Phoenix personally but the Soaring Sky is a fine sword
Hi, I've got a Chinese sword, pretty sure is very old and I want to know more about it , can you please help me
the blade was designed to be narrow in order to make it easier to wear.
the pommel looked like it was converted from a large coin?
The rondel rapier
"These were essentially court swords."
I know, like BBQ guns. ;-)
Hold my baiju
@@scottbauer71 hahaha baijiu is great
looks pretty sleek
Your sheer hand size almost conceals that this could comfortably fit two hands on it lol
It's surprising (to me) that Chinese swords and armor have gotten so little attention given the lavish and well-deserved attention to Japanese swords and armor (700 AD - 1800 AD). More than likely due to the fact that China is a Communist country and is a national security threat to the US. From a strictly historical perspective, the linkage between China and Japan is undeniable, and the development of weapons, technology, armor, and tactics are closely related, It's worth honoring and remembering from an historical perspective, regardless of our current relations with a fascist dictatorship in modern-day China.
Now in the hands of a goblin...
Central percussion. I’ve gotta rewind.
magical girl sword!
it name " 8 face " Han jian
Mathematically Katana is the only purely developed battle reliable sword 🦖
I pray anyone that sees this is successful in life
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon!!!!!!!!!
Thitcc and Thinn, simultaneously :)
that 8 sided grind is amazingly overcomplicated and hard to make with modern tools
I think it should be pretty easy to make with modern grinders. Its just first ground in primary angle then secondary bevel is ground on steeper angle i think.
@@lalli8152 yeah I just can't imagine grinding that long blade with all the taper, without multiple/adjustable fixtures, with back in the day tools
@@jonc8074 well good blade smith can save lot of time from the grind work doing most of the initial shape on anvil. They also likely had grinding wheels like in medieval europe i feel.
@@lalli8152 how to you're supposed to do flat grinds like a simple flat diamond on a wheel is making my head spin
@@jonc8074 just lay the blade on the grinder in angle you want the bevel in. Flat diamond is just double sided V edge. Instead this been two straight V edges it has smaller v edge added onto it. To create the smaller v just change the angle after you made the primary V angle.
Chinese swords look a lot more elegant from that time period than the brutish European swords with their broad blades (well, i only really know the ones here in the Viking museum, which are not 2000 years old of course) .. but did Europe not have similar thin blades?
edit: also - does no sword has a sort of sling around the grip so your sword cannot drop out of your hand? I mean .. most modern day things we routinely hold in our hands does - and it is not a far reach to think of such a safeguard.
At the time, the Celtic peoples in Europe had similar swords that were thin and long. IIRC they were also unique for having special "anthropomorphic" handles that were shaped like a man with his limbs spread. In the later years of the Roman Empire, these Celtic swords would be adopted as the cavalryman's spatha. Viking swords can trace their history to their Celtic cousins. European swords generally are wider mostly to make up for (depending on the region) shortcomings in metallurgy that could result in fragile blades.
It's also important to remember that court swords for noblemen are going to be much finer-crafted than the average warrior's sword, and the Han dynasty's average infantryman had a much more rudimentary, simple dao instead of one of these jians. Han infantry daos were wider than jians, though not by much; their strength comes from their single-edge design resulting in a thick, strong back to support the edge of the blade, which didn't need particularly complicated metallurgy.
@@cheezpufz I think there's more to it than poor metallurgy. There were high, middle, and low quality blades made in Europe in the early medieval period, but they tended to follow the same pattern, indicating a probable preference for broader blades at the time over the medley of slim and broad blades made by barbarian smiths in antiquity. Also, many early-high middle age and on blades were quite thin in section despite being broad in some cases. Arms and Armor's yt channel has some hands on videos with originals to illustrate this.
Regarding the brutish appearance of viking era swords, they are broad, but they aren't super thick. The jian in this video is almost 2 lbs, which is about where viking era swords start, most being 2-3 lb, though with bigger hilts than on this jian and featuring an emphasis on cutting power in most cases.
It's from the Han Solo dynasty
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Thicc
It will kill..
When I got here the likes were at 666. I kinda wanted to leave it, but whatever, I'm 667.
Early Chinese aesthetic is minimalism (which is what the Japanese inherited) compared to the later medieval periods of Yuan-Ming which were starting to become more lavish due to middle eastern influence and by Qing completely outlandish and foreign to the early Chinese aesthetic.
This lavish style aesthetic came in the late song dynasty and exploded during the yuan dynasty.
Nope. Not true at all. Many excavated swords relics of Han dynasty (2nd century BC - 2nd century AD) , including Dao刀 and Jian劍, werer already quite lavish, some of them even have gilded gold and silver and jade ornaments. And many Tang dynasty swords antiques(7th century - 9th century) stored in Japan are even more lavish and some of them also have some Central Asian / Persian influences, Japanese often called these lavish swords "飾劍" or "飾刀" while Chinese called them 儀刀.
And the majority of swords in Ming - Qing periods such as 雁翎刀、朴刀、劍、雙手帶,...etc still looked quite Chinese and had distinctive Chinese features inherited from past generations in China, including the ring pommels which still can be seen during WW2 and today's Chinese swords. If you think these are "completely foreign and outlandish", then you either are lack of basic knowledge of Chinese swords and aesthetics or completely don't know what you're saying.
@@MrGod47 Lavish in comparison to the other native swords of the same period, but not even close to the same level of lavishness and flauntiness of Later medieval Chinese swords ( especially Qing)
Han period aesthetic is generally considered minimalist compared to both cultures of its time and Chinese aesthetics of later periods.