Matou:original head lived a long time. Einzberg:homuculus keep the work going. Tohsaka: naturally give thier crest to later generations. Magus killer son:I'll take all three
@Another Random Cuber (up in heaven)Kerry:I'm proud son (aside the vore) Irisviel:so cute I'll get many grandkids. Shirley:wow Kerry you raised a Playboy. Also does that mean I'm an aunt. Natalia:kerry mother is disappointed in you raising your son that way. Maiya:.....just like his father
@@monsoul777 emiya:(does anything) Harem:(blush) Hakunon;(stands there MENACINGLY) Ccc people:(excited) Gudao:(male Rin with thick thighs) Servants:(throw themselves at him)
Universe deciding with shirou's previous incarnation on what happens in their life: so what way do you want to go about this Shirou: yes Universe: w-what Shirou: YES
Kiritsugu’s origin didn’t affect his life? Kills his dad: severing. Meets Natalia: binding. Kills Natalia: severing. Meets Irisviel: binding. Kills images of Iri/Illya when confronting the grail: severing. Adopts Shirou: binding. I think maybe you undersold the potency of origins on ones life a little with that one.
I think it works more conceptually, almost like the representation of “Irreversible change”. Like cutting a string and tying the two pieces into a knot. He is literally incapable of 'fixing' things because of the severing aspect and his 'binding' aspect is more like forcibly putting things back into their previous shape without repairing them. It will never be what it used to be.
I feel like, even if they were someone like Luvia, they'd be very confused. Dai mentions people who probably have no connection to the Clock Tower, and talks about things that (In-Universe), he couldn't possibly know. Shiki herself has no idea she's connected to the Root, and if I remember correctly, Void Shiki mentions it to only one person as a sort of exposition dump. He also outright talks about other universes in detail, and is privy to the events of Fate/Grand Order and Notes. Dai might get a Sealing Designation if the Clock Tower finds out his vast knowledge.
I would love to see Nasu expand on all of this and make a sort of quiz to know our Origin, Element, and if possible, what kind of path we would most likely take or be forced to take in the Nasuverse. Mage, Alchemist, Agent of the Church, Dead Apostle or whatever. ...I would kill for a in-depth TYPE-MOON tabletop RPG system ala WOD. Just by imagining how much lore Nasu would put there I start to salivate in anticipation, so to speak.
Well you could essetially start to build it by using the Lore. Heck, look at these here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3Za6JVAPV6RMTg3YTdkMGYtZWFmYy00YjZkLTg2MjUtOTMyYTk2MTE3NTYx www.heavens-feel.com/fate_nasuverse_rpg.html Though they are not very good attempts in my humble oppinion, but they tried. World of Darkness would be a better try to adapt it onto.
The Problem with chosing a Element, Origin and some kind of Path and then a "Class" is that it should result in a completely unique Character. While Elements aren't unique, Origins are (at least i dont remember there being a Origin twice but i could be wrong). The "Class" would then further specialize those two Elements alongside the Three Human Factors from Atlas. At the End, you could get a modern Druid that can grow Plants by using his own Blood as Ferilizer, a Dead Apostle that is Immortal because of a Self-Portrait and devours Ink as sustanance or a Mage that screwed up in transforming himself, is stuck as a Dog and uses a braindead Human as his Familiar that he puppeters with his mind, which gives everyone the impression the Human is the Mage and the Dog the Familiar.
@@SuperAmaton Origins are just what conditions a soul was born in, so technically two or more people can have the same origin. IIRC, both Rin and Sakura have an Imaginary Space/Numbers origin.
Meme origins. Emiya harem ex:gives emiya family ungodly ability to romance anything that breaths. Sakura has drop kick origin: capable of drop kicking any snake in a closed area. Also soap opera mode. Rin technology destruction: able to open wormholes to other universes. Talk to herself from the phone and defeat the untimate enemy blue ray
I find that it is a shame that Type moon is only focusing on FGO, I understand that it is a cash cow and anyone will milk it , but I find that the Nasuverse has potential to be something fascinating, and yet we know (excuse my language) jackshit about the 5 true magics, the dead apostle ancestors, and Magecraft as a whole, and almost all of the stories they give us are about Holy grail wars and servants This is the reason that Lord El Melloi case files is my favorite work from them, and lets not mention The garden of the sinners
Nasu is a similar writer to Tolkien in that he’s ok with creating elements of setting lore that will never be fully explained to the reader, but instead exist simply to add depth to the setting itself. So it’s unlikely we’ll ever get full explanations of the 5 true Magic’s or all the Grand Class candidates or stuff like that
FGO honestly delves into nasuverse lore more than it actually tries to be a Fate story. The idea of a holy grail war is practically chucked into the garbage can. It's already gone through everything from aliens to pruning of parallel worlds to even vampires that one time.
Amine Bachir FGO isn’t the only thing that is going on. Prisma and FSF are ongoing projects of 10+ years with HF coming to a conclusion next month. Redline and Requiem are large projects that recently started. Tsukihime remake was statedbto be out in 2 years, the new gaming studio is supposedly working on 2 other games. And there is several small project Manga in the works such as Chibichuuki, Today’s Menu, and others.
So basically, if you want a quick way to probably get loads of power grab onto your origin and find a way to sync it up with your element and go crazy figuring out as many different types of magecraft and witchcraft that line up in some way with them. Also hope to hell your origin is either something useful and pragmatic in regards to you or at least doesn't make you go insane. Also from what I read Sakura's original element was hollow before Zouken changed it to water so she could better use the Matou magecraft. Meaning if that's true it's also possible to just add or subtract elements which makes some sense if they're more in nature to the magical equivalent of a particular eye shade or a physical trait. Still fucking hard to change but not altogether something that helps make you YOU in the same way an Origin is.
@@pablotomasllodra4423 check the time stamp they edited it 2 days ago same time stamp as when I made my comment and I'm pretty sure I'm not dumb enough to misread original element as origin meaning they probably changed it since I made my comment.
I had the Idea that The Fire Awakened Shirou's Origin like a Sword Forged in fire or Kiritsugu and the fire both acting as attributing factors with the fire being the Forge and Kiritsugu giving him a Purpose
Sakura's natural affinity as a Tohsaka is Imaginary Numbers (Emptiness) but Zouken tried to forcibly change it to Water. She still ends up being able to use voids and storage space even after Angra Mainyu is separated from her. You can see this in Hollow and in additional materials that she can still use her Shadow familiars and open up voidspace, it's just that she will never be as good as she could have been if she was raised properly to use her powers. Its Angra Mainyu that used her power, which is a Shadow that pools at her feet, as vehicle, not the other way around. Nasu gives some clues that Imaginary Numbers users use their consciousness as a vehicle for their magic, so willpower has a factor in its usage. Also, Rin's origin is Imaginary Element (Hollow)oddly enough, which Nasu likely has as a dichotomy with the sisters, after all, Rin's birthday is 2/3 and Sakura's is 3/2.
This is a poor comparison due to the setting, but it'd be funny to imagine a full magus Sakura as BB, yeah BB is just hacking, but she can use the imaginary element
Sakura's Element was originally Imaginary Elements. It's even in the wiki. If true she could have been an absolutely terrifying mage, with powers over Hollow, Nothingness, Void and even Daemons.
@@42fernIt was called Imaginary Number element on the VN, which...is different from Imaginary Numbers? IN is what the far side of the Moon Cell is mostly made of, and I think it has the same effect as INE
I really enjoy this series, it was a bit hard to understand this from just FGO and the lore, I did try to read the Wiki but I couldn't understand it all. I thank you dearly DaiKun for making this series, and I really appreciate that you take the time to understand all you can about magecraft. P.S. If this became a real class, I would sign up for it, no questions asked
I guess my Origins is learning. I keep studying new stuff everyday and my brain is basically Akashic Records at this point. My elements? I guess Light. No matter how depressing or painful life gets, I always get back up and does my best despite the odds against me.
I can’t wait to watch these 15 more times to actually remember these bits of info Side note: I appreciate you doing these because a lot of the times these concepts blow over my head when I watch the actual shows that mention them
Shirou Emiya’s Elemental Affinity changed to Sword, not his Origin. His Origin has always been Sword. You can’t change an Origin that easily, if at all. So essentially, Shirou’s Elemental Affinity, which was changed by Avalon, is suited for the concept of “swords”, and Shirou’s very existence is the concept of sword. That’s why Shirou is so great at tracing and replicating Noble phantasms, something other mages would have zero hope of doing.
Sora Ad Caelum no it isn’t: typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Avalon#cite_ref-6 “All it does when Saber isn’t around is make Shirou’s magic attribute “Sword” ~ Fate/Complete Material III There is no mention whatsoever on it affecting his Origin. Origins shouldn’t change that easily. Sword has always been his origin.
I loved the concept of origins and elements when I first found out and still do considering the unlimited potential in fate they have as well as a Narrative
Shirou's Origin had nothing to do with Avalon. His origin was also most likely changed by the effective death and rebirth of his personality in the great Fuyuki fire. It's normally almost impossible to change an origin, but that incident is possibly one of the few situations extreme enough to facilitate such a change, as the trauma basically scrubbed his soul clean, on the brink of returning to the Root, before it was pulled back by Kiritsugu using a miraculous artifact to save him. His origin, sword, reflects the philosophy that Shirou adopted when he met Kiritsugu and saw how happy the later was to save even a single person. Shirou decided that to save others is the best thing ever, basically. A sword is a weapon that can be used to save someone, but has no intrinsic value outside of how it can be used by others. The value of its existence is defined completely by how it can serve someone. Just like Shirou, who defines his value completely by how he can help others. Also, how can you say that Kiritsugu's origins had no significant impact on his life? He formed several strong relationships over his lifetime, his father, Shirley, Natalia, Maya, Iri, Illyasviel and Shirou. And, one by one, almost all of these were severed, often by him in pursuit of his goal. He bound himself to others then severed those bonds.
I would like to couple the "Avalon changed Origin" thing back onto this theory, as Avalon was the thing that dragged Shirou back from the Root, perhaps it imprinted on his blank soul, creating the Origin of Sword, which would only further be solidified by Kirigutsu.
"The Origin" is known as "Dharma" in the vedas. If someone reaches nirvana, they will learn their origin and if they choose to stay on the planet, they would be called a Bodhisattva. There's a Vedic astrology chart that shows your Constellation house element. Mine is water and I used it as a medium during meditation to increase sensitivity. It worked. I know my Origin, and I'm very thankful for it but it's true that it consumes everything. My theory on it is that, our origins are kept from us to prevent obsession. That's the biggest difference between human and Fae, humans are given a "fresh" start while fae know who they are at all times. It's incredibly difficult to find balance while living in society if you are a mage
So Shirou's stand will be the same type of stand as Silver Chariot, Shiki's will be a One Hit Kill type, and so on? On the flip side, Joseph's origin is prediction, Josuke's is fixing, Giorno's is life, and other Josuke is steal
Thank you for sensei Daikun for a wonderful video of lesson in magecraft can't wait for more coming soon.Also I wish it would be great to have some of the characters in Kara no Kyoukai Azaka, Lio, Souren and what other charaters on there would be great to be added into the Melty Blood game just like Shiki Ryouji was added into the game.
Sensei, i think you should do a video on kotonime kirei, he's a very unique character and I'm pretty sure his origin was "opening wounds" which allowed him to be a spirit surgeon and is considered a witch doctor among magi.
@@shadowclaw7210 Unless Type Moon has already covered those, I think it's up to interpretation. It is a concept after all. I'd like to think Lancer has the origin misfortune lol. Illusion could be literal, or it could mean not being authentic or seen for who you truly are. Dragon is almost like what Artoria is.
Wait wait wait, if Kiritsugu's origin is activated once it enters an enemy. Doesn't that mean that if they were to make origin rounds from Shirou's ribs, it would have an effect as well, for example: Create swords from the inside out of an enemy?
I'm surprised that you didn't bring up that there are rare cases that one could change their Origin and Element under very rare cases. Because if I remember correctly, wasn't Shirou's Origin something else before the fire and Miyuverse Shirou had his Origin overwritten by EMIYA's when EMIYA invaded his body.
Really? Because I was certain that Miyuverse Shirou actually told everyone that not only was his body being invaded, but because of that, he could feel him overwriting his Origin.
@@fangthefabulous1132 He said he "inherited" his Origin. While we can figure that it changed, we only have that to go on. It's just as possible it was the same as when Shirou crossed blades with EMIYA in UBW, which led to him inheriting his skills.
Dai, would you be interested in creating a video based around the Extra Classes? (Foreigner, Shielder, Saver, Gatekeeper, Watcher, Faker, Funnyvamp, Ruler, Avenger, etc.) There is surprisingly no easily accessible high-quality videos on this topic, and I feel you could definitely do it justice. :)
@@OtakuDaiKun There's virtually no information on it at all. It is what Gilgamesh's class was originally going to be in Stay Night. I'd just leave it as a footnote if you made a video like this, along with Gunner and a few others.
I have a theory/question. A mages abilities is largely limited and dictated by there magic circuits which direct magical power for spells. Those born with little magic circuits have a harder time controlling and directing magic for spells which makes them lesser and weak in the eyes of other mages. I don’t think there is any way to give an individual more circuits, at least not safely. But what if instead you cause the magic circuits to expand? If you make them bigger then the fact that there aren’t that many wouldn’t matter right? 10 enlarged magic circuits would in theory be able to control and direct just as much magic power as 100 normal sized magic circuits. Thoughts?
Anyways Shirou's origin and affinity were both sword which was insanely rare. Kiritsugu's origin bullets weren't just used simply by shooting a Magus, they had to have activated their magic-circuits when shot which would allow it's effect to spread all over. Which is why he would trick his victims into using magecraft to defend themselves before shooting them. I also think Sakura's origin was hollow judging by what you said.
So Dai using what we learned how would you imagine the magic of a Mage with the Origin of Metal & the Elemental Affinities of Earth, Fire & Ether would be influenced? For that matter how would his origin likely manifest? Im personally imagining someone capable of using mage craft to blend metals into Alloys or Damascus style ingots that can be shaped & manipulated at will. Maybe even change the state of the metals from solid to molten with mana alone. Thoughts?
You know, I would be very curious to see what if Shirous origin and elemental affinity was bow. Instead sword, it's bow. I mean, he was a genius in archery even with the whole sword thing.
In the fate sn vn it's explained that the way of archery and the teachings of magic are close in nature also unlike Sakura he is in pretty good shape and has insane eyesight. Not sure if that helps explain his skill in archery or not. He does become EMIYA later in life so he could just be a god in that skill lol
Teacher, what would happen if you could force your origin on to others that aren't like Kiritsugu's "Severing and Binding"? Like say what if your origin was something like "Eating" or "Nothingness". Would it force that person to also eat or would they be eaten by your soul?
OtakuDaiKun Isn't Kiritsugu kinda forcing his origin onto others? His origin "Binding and Severing" doesn't do anything until it enter another's body and turns their circuits all topsy turvy, hence the origin bullets. Like you said, his origin doesn't really effect him in grand scheme of things, but with others, it's a different. Am I crazy for thinking that? I'm imagining it like if you had origin bullets and they weren't Kiritsugu's, but something like Leo or Shiki and etc. How would those people hit by your origin bullets, react to it?
@@OtakuDaiKun Ok. Sorry if this a strange, but it's the last one. I'm curious about what else can be done with your own origins and what possibilities you can do to expand on it. You can't directly control it, but Could you find ways around that? Could it be consumable(like if someone fed you a piece of them. I know it's gross, but it's a shot in the dark), can it be absorbed(like if a part/particles of someone was in water or blood and your skin absorbed it), and etc? And for a different origin, what effects could it have on others if you inserted yours in them(like the origin bullets). This is all theoretical talk on my end and I likely haven't fully thought this out, but it's got me thinking alot on possible variety usage.
SegaShooterGames Id stick to the idea that the origin itself cannot transfer or change, they can just result in unique abilities that can affect others.
How about Emiya Shirou's Trace Version of Projection Magecraft and his Reality Marble Unlimited Blade Works:Infinite Creation of Sword as well mentioning trace and projected Divine Constructs excluding Ea which Miyuverse Emiya Shirou did.
@@OtakuDaiKun Yeah but they probably only make 2 or 3 of the entire cast of those series into playable servants. My favorite character is Satsuki Yumizuka because her appearence and VA in the April Fool events are the best. Hey DaiKun do you have a favorite Tsukihime or Melty Blood character?
I know a lot of people have already answered this question. But I was wondering what the difference is between the original Fate/Stay Night VN and the Realta Nua version.
I have a question that's been bugging me since I rewatched Apocrypha and started writing my own series based on Arthurian Legend. If Mordred was conceived after Artoria became King, how is she there when Artoria pulls Caliburn from the stone?
@@OtakuDaiKun KnK is already difficult to wrap your mind around without the stories episodic order playing with events. However, I feel like part of the mystery and wonder of KnK comes from trying to piece together just whats going on. My recommendation is to watch the movies twice. Once in Episodic Order. And again in Chronological order.
The worms have magic circuits, not a magic crest, and they basically hack yours and replace them. They're also an extension of Zolgen's circuits so he can control you. Yes it's disgusting. Yes I hate the Matou
Shirou’s origin has always been Sword since birth. But his element changed to Sword as well after Avalon was implanted. Whatever his original element was is unknown.
Matoi Sakura? Water affinity? damn I should check myself if there are some worms left on my body, cause I'm being forced to act or even become Water affinity too... just like Sakura even though my affinity is Wood, I hope my mom still remember the name of medicine to exterminate worms on my body...
Origins are too important for the life and fate of each person. I believe the reason Guda has insane amounts of chrisma and common sense is because of his origin. I think his origin should be Understanding. It is self-explanatory.
I don't know of hollow had anything to do with it. As a dragon, a species that long since went to the reverse side, I thought going to the reverse side would be easy enough for him.
@@AstronScion I'm currently Posting VS Videos of the Recent Pagoda Event, I Edited them to make them look as good as Possible. I'm also Translating the Agartha Manga.
If you could choose, what element would you want to be affiliated with?
Fire
Ice seems like it would be fun.
Tempted to say wind but only because of Kaze No Stigma. But for the Fate series Fire.
Earth.
I love these lessons
Matou:original head lived a long time.
Einzberg:homuculus keep the work going.
Tohsaka: naturally give thier crest to later generations.
Magus killer son:I'll take all three
@Another Random Cuber (up in heaven)Kerry:I'm proud son (aside the vore)
Irisviel:so cute I'll get many grandkids.
Shirley:wow Kerry you raised a Playboy. Also does that mean I'm an aunt.
Natalia:kerry mother is disappointed in you raising your son that way.
Maiya:.....just like his father
Lol
@@ivanbluecool Ha Great
@@monsoul777 emiya:(does anything)
Harem:(blush)
Hakunon;(stands there MENACINGLY)
Ccc people:(excited)
Gudao:(male Rin with thick thighs)
Servants:(throw themselves at him)
Universe deciding with shirou's previous incarnation on what happens in their life: so what way do you want to go about this
Shirou: yes
Universe: w-what
Shirou: YES
Kiritsugu’s origin didn’t affect his life?
Kills his dad: severing.
Meets Natalia: binding.
Kills Natalia: severing.
Meets Irisviel: binding.
Kills images of Iri/Illya when confronting the grail: severing.
Adopts Shirou: binding.
I think maybe you undersold the potency of origins on ones life a little with that one.
And now it's time to shed more tears for Kiritsugu 😢
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I think it works more conceptually, almost like the representation of “Irreversible change”.
Like cutting a string and tying the two pieces into a knot. He is literally incapable of 'fixing' things because of the severing aspect and his 'binding' aspect is more like forcibly putting things back into their previous shape without repairing them. It will never be what it used to be.
@@brendan9876 so he’d never succeed as a hero of justice, because all he’s good at is breaking things, killing them.
I can only imagine the students of this class are completely clueless of what magecraft is or their magus family just never taught any of them
either that or the teach just wants to make sure the highly arrogant mage students dont forget their basics
@@LyionOfRoses Sounds like something Waver would do. And probably has.
Everyone in this class probably is the fourth child of a mage family. We aren't worth shit to them.
I’m actually not from this class I just been passing by
I feel like, even if they were someone like Luvia, they'd be very confused. Dai mentions people who probably have no connection to the Clock Tower, and talks about things that (In-Universe), he couldn't possibly know.
Shiki herself has no idea she's connected to the Root, and if I remember correctly, Void Shiki mentions it to only one person as a sort of exposition dump. He also outright talks about other universes in detail, and is privy to the events of Fate/Grand Order and Notes.
Dai might get a Sealing Designation if the Clock Tower finds out his vast knowledge.
I would love to see Nasu expand on all of this and make a sort of quiz to know our Origin, Element, and if possible, what kind of path we would most likely take or be forced to take in the Nasuverse. Mage, Alchemist, Agent of the Church, Dead Apostle or whatever.
...I would kill for a in-depth TYPE-MOON tabletop RPG system ala WOD. Just by imagining how much lore Nasu would put there I start to salivate in anticipation, so to speak.
Well you could essetially start to build it by using the Lore. Heck, look at these here:
drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3Za6JVAPV6RMTg3YTdkMGYtZWFmYy00YjZkLTg2MjUtOTMyYTk2MTE3NTYx
www.heavens-feel.com/fate_nasuverse_rpg.html
Though they are not very good attempts in my humble oppinion, but they tried.
World of Darkness would be a better try to adapt it onto.
The Problem with chosing a Element, Origin and some kind of Path and then a "Class" is that it should result in a completely unique Character. While Elements aren't unique, Origins are (at least i dont remember there being a Origin twice but i could be wrong). The "Class" would then further specialize those two Elements alongside the Three Human Factors from Atlas. At the End, you could get a modern Druid that can grow Plants by using his own Blood as Ferilizer, a Dead Apostle that is Immortal because of a Self-Portrait and devours Ink as sustanance or a Mage that screwed up in transforming himself, is stuck as a Dog and uses a braindead Human as his Familiar that he puppeters with his mind, which gives everyone the impression the Human is the Mage and the Dog the Familiar.
@@SuperAmaton honestly those are fucking amazing ideas.
@@Wolfkey13 And very fitting for that setting.
@@SuperAmaton Origins are just what conditions a soul was born in, so technically two or more people can have the same origin. IIRC, both Rin and Sakura have an Imaginary Space/Numbers origin.
Remember people, Origins are one heck of a drug.
Lio's was "furry" and we all know what happened to him!
@A Lounge Moogle he *became* the fur suit
I’d like to see him in a battle with Jaguar Man.
Meme origins. Emiya harem ex:gives emiya family ungodly ability to romance anything that breaths.
Sakura has drop kick origin: capable of drop kicking any snake in a closed area. Also soap opera mode.
Rin technology destruction: able to open wormholes to other universes. Talk to herself from the phone and defeat the untimate enemy blue ray
I find that it is a shame that Type moon is only focusing on FGO, I understand that it is a cash cow and anyone will milk it , but I find that the Nasuverse has potential to be something fascinating,
and yet we know (excuse my language) jackshit about the 5 true magics, the dead apostle ancestors, and Magecraft as a whole, and almost all of the stories they give us are about Holy grail wars and servants
This is the reason that Lord El Melloi case files is my favorite work from them, and lets not mention The garden of the sinners
Amine Bachir Tsukihime Remake was showcased in the Fate Museum event earlier a few weeks ago
go lokk wikipedia.....and for the story of the grail go watch heaven feel
Nasu is a similar writer to Tolkien in that he’s ok with creating elements of setting lore that will never be fully explained to the reader, but instead exist simply to add depth to the setting itself.
So it’s unlikely we’ll ever get full explanations of the 5 true Magic’s or all the Grand Class candidates or stuff like that
FGO honestly delves into nasuverse lore more than it actually tries to be a Fate story. The idea of a holy grail war is practically chucked into the garbage can.
It's already gone through everything from aliens to pruning of parallel worlds to even vampires that one time.
Amine Bachir FGO isn’t the only thing that is going on. Prisma and FSF are ongoing projects of 10+ years with HF coming to a conclusion next month. Redline and Requiem are large projects that recently started. Tsukihime remake was statedbto be out in 2 years, the new gaming studio is supposedly working on 2 other games. And there is several small project Manga in the works such as Chibichuuki, Today’s Menu, and others.
"Magic can only be defeat with Magic", pretty sure I heard this line from somewhere
Kou Yang
JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES
uncle chan :)
Man I loved seeing the knk movies show the origins of thier cast and how each of them used it in battle. Touko was so great in the movie.
So basically, if you want a quick way to probably get loads of power grab onto your origin and find a way to sync it up with your element and go crazy figuring out as many different types of magecraft and witchcraft that line up in some way with them. Also hope to hell your origin is either something useful and pragmatic in regards to you or at least doesn't make you go insane. Also from what I read Sakura's original element was hollow before Zouken changed it to water so she could better use the Matou magecraft. Meaning if that's true it's also possible to just add or subtract elements which makes some sense if they're more in nature to the magical equivalent of a particular eye shade or a physical trait. Still fucking hard to change but not altogether something that helps make you YOU in the same way an Origin is.
It was Sakura's element that was changed from hollow to water not her origin.
@@michaeldaniels7431 He said "original element" not "Origin"
@@pablotomasllodra4423 check the time stamp they edited it 2 days ago same time stamp as when I made my comment and I'm pretty sure I'm not dumb enough to misread original element as origin meaning they probably changed it since I made my comment.
Michael Daniels Oh, sorry
@@pablotomasllodra4423 it's fine
I had the Idea that The Fire Awakened Shirou's Origin like a Sword Forged in fire or Kiritsugu and the fire both acting as attributing factors with the fire being the Forge and Kiritsugu giving him a Purpose
“Lessons in Magecraft” are my favorite videos you make, but I also like your other videos ^^
My Origin is
*"Copy & Paste"*
xD
My origin is "procrastination"
My origin is losing and not finding
My Origin is
*"Copy & Paste"*
XD
*Emiya Shirou wants to know your location*
Same
Sakura's natural affinity as a Tohsaka is Imaginary Numbers (Emptiness) but Zouken tried to forcibly change it to Water. She still ends up being able to use voids and storage space even after Angra Mainyu is separated from her. You can see this in Hollow and in additional materials that she can still use her Shadow familiars and open up voidspace, it's just that she will never be as good as she could have been if she was raised properly to use her powers. Its Angra Mainyu that used her power, which is a Shadow that pools at her feet, as vehicle, not the other way around. Nasu gives some clues that Imaginary Numbers users use their consciousness as a vehicle for their magic, so willpower has a factor in its usage. Also, Rin's origin is Imaginary Element (Hollow)oddly enough, which Nasu likely has as a dichotomy with the sisters, after all, Rin's birthday is 2/3 and Sakura's is 3/2.
Kirei states rin is positive and Sakura is negative, another parallel
This is a poor comparison due to the setting, but it'd be funny to imagine a full magus Sakura as BB, yeah BB is just hacking, but she can use the imaginary element
Next lesson is Mana. I'm particularly intrigue of Mana Transfer. hope there's an actual or atleast complete visual of the process.
There is. It's called H**tai
*sees profile* please leave eggplant alone
Sakura's Element was originally
Imaginary Elements. It's even in the wiki.
If true she could have been an absolutely terrifying mage, with powers over Hollow, Nothingness, Void and even Daemons.
Wasn't it Imaginary Numbers? This means she only had the Hollow element and didn't really have the nothingness element.
@@42fernIt was called Imaginary Number element on the VN, which...is different from Imaginary Numbers? IN is what the far side of the Moon Cell is mostly made of, and I think it has the same effect as INE
I really enjoy this series, it was a bit hard to understand this from just FGO and the lore, I did try to read the Wiki but I couldn't understand it all. I thank you dearly DaiKun for making this series, and I really appreciate that you take the time to understand all you can about magecraft.
P.S. If this became a real class, I would sign up for it, no questions asked
I guess my Origins is learning. I keep studying new stuff everyday and my brain is basically Akashic Records at this point. My elements? I guess Light. No matter how depressing or painful life gets, I always get back up and does my best despite the odds against me.
I can’t wait to watch these 15 more times to actually remember these bits of info
Side note: I appreciate you doing these because a lot of the times these concepts blow over my head when I watch the actual shows that mention them
Great Video, I like how it is set up as if it is in the Fate Universe (or one of them at least)
I love these videos!!! It like I’m actually a student at the clock tower getting a lecture, I love it!!!!
YESS I WANT MOR SENSAY
I been waiting for this
Shirou Emiya’s Elemental Affinity changed to Sword, not his Origin. His Origin has always been Sword. You can’t change an Origin that easily, if at all.
So essentially, Shirou’s Elemental Affinity, which was changed by Avalon, is suited for the concept of “swords”, and Shirou’s very existence is the concept of sword.
That’s why Shirou is so great at tracing and replicating Noble phantasms, something other mages would have zero hope of doing.
No it was both origin and his element
Sora Ad Caelum no it isn’t: typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Avalon#cite_ref-6
“All it does when Saber isn’t around is make Shirou’s magic attribute “Sword” ~ Fate/Complete Material III
There is no mention whatsoever on it affecting his Origin. Origins shouldn’t change that easily. Sword has always been his origin.
Sora Ad Caelum Is correct.
It is unknown what is original ‘Origin’ was.
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 dude even the site you got it from said origin *and* element got changed to sword thanks to Avalon
@@khizarch4910 thanks for the backup
I loved the concept of origins and elements when I first found out and still do considering the unlimited potential in fate they have as well as a Narrative
I love lessons in magecraft wish the others were here too
Shirou's Origin had nothing to do with Avalon. His origin was also most likely changed by the effective death and rebirth of his personality in the great Fuyuki fire. It's normally almost impossible to change an origin, but that incident is possibly one of the few situations extreme enough to facilitate such a change, as the trauma basically scrubbed his soul clean, on the brink of returning to the Root, before it was pulled back by Kiritsugu using a miraculous artifact to save him. His origin, sword, reflects the philosophy that Shirou adopted when he met Kiritsugu and saw how happy the later was to save even a single person. Shirou decided that to save others is the best thing ever, basically. A sword is a weapon that can be used to save someone, but has no intrinsic value outside of how it can be used by others. The value of its existence is defined completely by how it can serve someone. Just like Shirou, who defines his value completely by how he can help others.
Also, how can you say that Kiritsugu's origins had no significant impact on his life? He formed several strong relationships over his lifetime, his father, Shirley, Natalia, Maya, Iri, Illyasviel and Shirou. And, one by one, almost all of these were severed, often by him in pursuit of his goal. He bound himself to others then severed those bonds.
I would like to couple the "Avalon changed Origin" thing back onto this theory, as Avalon was the thing that dragged Shirou back from the Root, perhaps it imprinted on his blank soul, creating the Origin of Sword, which would only further be solidified by Kirigutsu.
I have exam for job less than 2 weeks and here I am watching lesson in magecraft. Worth it
9:28
"Consumption, entropy, energy transfer, consumption and thermodynamics."
i was wondering if anyone else caught this
This series has been amazing so far I definitely would want fire
"The Origin" is known as "Dharma" in the vedas. If someone reaches nirvana, they will learn their origin and if they choose to stay on the planet, they would be called a Bodhisattva.
There's a Vedic astrology chart that shows your Constellation house element. Mine is water and I used it as a medium during meditation to increase sensitivity. It worked.
I know my Origin, and I'm very thankful for it but it's true that it consumes everything.
My theory on it is that, our origins are kept from us to prevent obsession. That's the biggest difference between human and Fae, humans are given a "fresh" start while fae know who they are at all times. It's incredibly difficult to find balance while living in society if you are a mage
I don't know why but a Mage having an Origin that is "Contradiction" sounds very cool and interesting
Remember kids: If you know your origin you'll probably know what powers your Stand will take.
So Shirou's stand will be the same type of stand as Silver Chariot, Shiki's will be a One Hit Kill type, and so on? On the flip side, Joseph's origin is prediction, Josuke's is fixing, Giorno's is life, and other Josuke is steal
Thank you for sensei Daikun for a wonderful video of lesson in magecraft can't wait for more coming soon.Also I wish it would be great to have some of the characters in Kara no Kyoukai Azaka, Lio, Souren and what other charaters on there would be great to be added into the Melty Blood game just like Shiki Ryouji was added into the game.
Sensei, i think you should do a video on kotonime kirei, he's a very unique character and I'm pretty sure his origin was "opening wounds" which allowed him to be a spirit surgeon and is considered a witch doctor among magi.
Magecraft is so fascinating and awesome
I beat the notification lol
So if an origin can be nightmarish like ‘consumption’ or specific like ‘sword’ can it be something more abstract, like say, ‘supremacy’ or ‘learner’?
Probably yes.
@@OtakuDaiKun what would origins like “misfortune” , “illusion” and “dragon” be
@@shadowclaw7210 Unless Type Moon has already covered those, I think it's up to interpretation. It is a concept after all. I'd like to think Lancer has the origin misfortune lol. Illusion could be literal, or it could mean not being authentic or seen for who you truly are. Dragon is almost like what Artoria is.
@@OtakuDaiKun ok hey did you ever heard of A certain magical index and it’s spin-offs
@@shadowclaw7210 Of course I have, but I've never watched either one all the way through.
Wait wait wait, if Kiritsugu's origin is activated once it enters an enemy. Doesn't that mean that if they were to make origin rounds from Shirou's ribs, it would have an effect as well, for example:
Create swords from the inside out of an enemy?
gerardo cross That would be cool. Seems plausible.
That's literally Unlimited Lost Works
That's Unlimited Lost Works, it's already exist as Emiya Alter NP
I'm surprised that you didn't bring up that there are rare cases that one could change their Origin and Element under very rare cases.
Because if I remember correctly, wasn't Shirou's Origin something else before the fire and Miyuverse Shirou had his Origin overwritten by EMIYA's when EMIYA invaded his body.
He brought up that it's speculated. He didn't confirm it because it's never directly confirmed.
Really? Because I was certain that Miyuverse Shirou actually told everyone that not only was his body being invaded, but because of that, he could feel him overwriting his Origin.
@@fangthefabulous1132 He said he "inherited" his Origin. While we can figure that it changed, we only have that to go on. It's just as possible it was the same as when Shirou crossed blades with EMIYA in UBW, which led to him inheriting his skills.
@@christophermitchell9739 Ah, you're right! I completely forgot that!
I've read that arc like six times, I'm dumb.
@@fangthefabulous1132 No worries. And it's not like what you said is impossible, as acknowledged about Avalon in the video.
Dai, would you be interested in creating a video based around the Extra Classes?
(Foreigner, Shielder, Saver, Gatekeeper, Watcher, Faker, Funnyvamp, Ruler, Avenger, etc.)
There is surprisingly no easily accessible high-quality videos on this topic, and I feel you could definitely do it justice. :)
I feel like I need to read what Gatekeeper comes from...
@@OtakuDaiKun There's virtually no information on it at all. It is what Gilgamesh's class was originally going to be in Stay Night. I'd just leave it as a footnote if you made a video like this, along with Gunner and a few others.
But Saver is called Savior in Extra, was it called Saver originally?
"your a mage daikun" (insert hagrid voice)
I have a theory/question. A mages abilities is largely limited and dictated by there magic circuits which direct magical power for spells. Those born with little magic circuits have a harder time controlling and directing magic for spells which makes them lesser and weak in the eyes of other mages. I don’t think there is any way to give an individual more circuits, at least not safely. But what if instead you cause the magic circuits to expand? If you make them bigger then the fact that there aren’t that many wouldn’t matter right? 10 enlarged magic circuits would in theory be able to control and direct just as much magic power as 100 normal sized magic circuits. Thoughts?
I like the idea but I couldn't confirm if that's even remotely possible in the nasuverse.
OtakuDaiKun The process would most likely be extremely painful
Did I mention consumption? 9:29
Anyways Shirou's origin and affinity were both sword which was insanely rare. Kiritsugu's origin bullets weren't just used simply by shooting a Magus, they had to have activated their magic-circuits when shot which would allow it's effect to spread all over. Which is why he would trick his victims into using magecraft to defend themselves before shooting them. I also think Sakura's origin was hollow judging by what you said.
Thinking up of a cool origin for a character is hard
well dam no chaos/void/lightning affinity. also every time i hear moral depravity i keep thinking "its a good enough reason for an exterminatus"
Thanks for the lesson.
I need an episode on imaginary numbers in fate.
does Kirei disturbing nature come from his origin too??
Or he is a born psychopath in purely biological way??
No idea, Nasuverse metaphysicals are complicated.
Dk
Another amazing lesson!
So Dai using what we learned how would you imagine the magic of a Mage with the Origin of Metal & the Elemental Affinities of Earth, Fire & Ether would be influenced? For that matter how would his origin likely manifest?
Im personally imagining someone capable of using mage craft to blend metals into Alloys or Damascus style ingots that can be shaped & manipulated at will. Maybe even change the state of the metals from solid to molten with mana alone.
Thoughts?
I mean, it seems reasonable, but what I'm more concerned with is if it makes a compelling story.
Yay, another one!
I wonder there origins such as: Plot armor
Honestly it would be cool if I got a dual origin and the element of fire
My Origin is Libertarianism, everything else about my Ideology has changed, but the core of Libertarianism remains the same.
4:32 Nearly thought this was Shirou.
Aunque no entienda inglés mucho ver tus vídeos son muy buenos
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Touko is bae
Hey Dai, do you know about the facebook page "Cursed nasuverse community comments"?
Téo Akio No
@@OtakuDaiKun Just confirming, as they like to talk shit about you
Is there a lesson about phantasmal beast dai kun? I'm really curious about dragon kind.
I'm actually making one right now for my $1/month supporters.
You know, I would be very curious to see what if Shirous origin and elemental affinity was bow. Instead sword, it's bow. I mean, he was a genius in archery even with the whole sword thing.
In the fate sn vn it's explained that the way of archery and the teachings of magic are close in nature also unlike Sakura he is in pretty good shape and has insane eyesight. Not sure if that helps explain his skill in archery or not. He does become EMIYA later in life so he could just be a god in that skill lol
Aah, so in Nasuverse they have fivve elements in magic, cool
Air or water- Leadership
Teacher, what would happen if you could force your origin on to others that aren't like Kiritsugu's "Severing and Binding"? Like say what if your origin was something like "Eating" or "Nothingness". Would it force that person to also eat or would they be eaten by your soul?
SegaShooterGames I don’t think you can force your origin onto anyone else.
OtakuDaiKun Isn't Kiritsugu kinda forcing his origin onto others? His origin "Binding and Severing" doesn't do anything until it enter another's body and turns their circuits all topsy turvy, hence the origin bullets. Like you said, his origin doesn't really effect him in grand scheme of things, but with others, it's a different. Am I crazy for thinking that? I'm imagining it like if you had origin bullets and they weren't Kiritsugu's, but something like Leo or Shiki and etc. How would those people hit by your origin bullets, react to it?
SegaShooterGames Okay, but he’s not changing their origin, they’re just being affected by his. That sorta thing can happen, yes.
@@OtakuDaiKun Ok. Sorry if this a strange, but it's the last one. I'm curious about what else can be done with your own origins and what possibilities you can do to expand on it. You can't directly control it, but Could you find ways around that? Could it be consumable(like if someone fed you a piece of them. I know it's gross, but it's a shot in the dark), can it be absorbed(like if a part/particles of someone was in water or blood and your skin absorbed it), and etc? And for a different origin, what effects could it have on others if you inserted yours in them(like the origin bullets). This is all theoretical talk on my end and I likely haven't fully thought this out, but it's got me thinking alot on possible variety usage.
SegaShooterGames Id stick to the idea that the origin itself cannot transfer or change, they can just result in unique abilities that can affect others.
Is nen deeper than this? cuase it looks like a close match if u ask me
I find it odd that you didn’t brought up an explanation for a person having the same origin and element, like Shirou Emiya.
So Rin is the Avatar!?!
Absolutely
I hate how her completely busted element isn't really brought up in the story, at least she uses elements on her jewels
So an origin can be anything? as long as it's a concept. So if I were to make a character's origin "Weapon", that's alright?
Otaku. Man Loee Yup.
How about Emiya Shirou's Trace Version of Projection Magecraft and his Reality Marble Unlimited Blade Works:Infinite Creation of Sword as well mentioning trace and projected Divine Constructs excluding Ea which Miyuverse Emiya Shirou did.
Thanks DaiKun! Your videos are the best! I learned one thing today! Nasu please bring back Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, and Melty Blood!
Kunst Wunderkammer At the very least, incorporate them into FGO somehow.
@@OtakuDaiKun
Yeah but they probably only make 2 or 3 of the entire cast of those series into playable servants. My favorite character is Satsuki Yumizuka because her appearence and VA in the April Fool events are the best. Hey DaiKun do you have a favorite Tsukihime or Melty Blood character?
Kunst Wunderkammer I used to dislike Ciel but now I think she’s awesome.
Why didnt you mention Incarnations like Shirou Emiya
Now that I think about it, did kiritsugu use all of his origin rounds up, or he still has some left.
Heys got more than 20 left iirc
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I read somewhere he had around 40 at the start of zero and used around 10. So yeah around 30 left. Now I want Shirou to use his gun
I know a lot of people have already answered this question. But I was wondering what the difference is between the original Fate/Stay Night VN and the Realta Nua version.
I think Realta Nua is the "clean" version, with additional scenes
OG Fate has the seks, realta nua is the family friendly version
So imaginary element is like an reality marble and labyrinth but different
Goodbye,sir... I'll revise the lessons today
I have a question that's been bugging me since I rewatched Apocrypha and started writing my own series based on Arthurian Legend. If Mordred was conceived after Artoria became King, how is she there when Artoria pulls Caliburn from the stone?
Khaos Dimensions She wasn’t. That was a vision of Mordred’s, kinda her way of confronting her thoughts of Artoria and what it means to be king.
@@OtakuDaiKun I figured it was something like that but I didn't know for sure. Thanks for clearing that up
Liked alot (sorry if I already commented)
I really want to see an awakened shirou
It's literally archer bruh
In what order does one watch the anime with Shiki?
No idea. I watched them in the order they were released, but you could also watch them in the chronical Order.
I talk about the order in my Kara no Kyoukai lore. I personally prefer the story’s chronological order.
@@OtakuDaiKun KnK is already difficult to wrap your mind around without the stories episodic order playing with events. However, I feel like part of the mystery and wonder of KnK comes from trying to piece together just whats going on. My recommendation is to watch the movies twice. Once in Episodic Order. And again in Chronological order.
@@Krescentwolf I can agree with that. I've seen these films so many times.
Who’s the character in 0:19
That's Reines when Waver first met her.
Teacher I have a question, how does zouken bug crest work?
I'm not 100% sure.
@@OtakuDaiKunok so can you give me a more detailed explanation on the element part please? I’m in desperate need for that ;-;, also love your videos😁
The worms have magic circuits, not a magic crest, and they basically hack yours and replace them. They're also an extension of Zolgen's circuits so he can control you. Yes it's disgusting. Yes I hate the Matou
@@cernunnos8344 oh….that’s……horrifying
@@matheusaraujo4570 have you watched fate zero or heavens feel ?
I love this, I love this, I LOVE THIS!!!
I’ve always been confused about shiro’s origin, it only became “swords” after years with Avalon... so what was it originally? “Weapons” maybe?
Origins don’t change like Elements can. It’s possible his Element became Sword after Avalon was implanted. But his Origin has always been Sword.
Shirou’s origin has always been Sword since birth. But his element changed to Sword as well after Avalon was implanted. Whatever his original element was is unknown.
Matoi Sakura? Water affinity? damn I should check myself if there are some worms left on my body, cause I'm being forced to act or even become Water affinity too... just like Sakura even though my affinity is Wood,
I hope my mom still remember the name of medicine to exterminate worms on my body...
I think I'm in the wrong class room
are these clips from fate ??
Some of them are, but others are from Kara no Kyoukai, another part of the Nasuverse.
Ah, yes. Classpects.
Can you wish for your origin and element????
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Origins are too important for the life and fate of each person.
I believe the reason Guda has insane amounts of chrisma and common sense is because of his origin.
I think his origin should be Understanding.
It is self-explanatory.
These videos are really interesting but please put some spoiler warnings, i'm still waiting to watch heavens feel.
So in apocrypha, Seig used this "hollow" to hide the greater Grail in "the other side of the world"?
I don't know of hollow had anything to do with it. As a dragon, a species that long since went to the reverse side, I thought going to the reverse side would be easy enough for him.
When is the video about fate grand order babylonia coming out?
This is a great video
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Is it possible for someone to exist who somehow lost his/her Origin? Or is there something like blank origin where no concept has taken shape?
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I'm hopinf to see more of the Protagonist of the New Fate TYPE/Redline Manga.
Me too DAISHOURI
@@AstronScion I'm currently Posting VS Videos of the Recent Pagoda Event, I Edited them to make them look as good as Possible. I'm also Translating the Agartha Manga.
@@soralight_x Very Nice
Thanks
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