The key thing to realize is that the devs are trying to take away the "there is only 1 meta" BS. The intent of this game from day 1 was to let people play a million different ways and still be viable. Will you HAVE to have a mage to be a killer mut group? No. But now you will be ABLE to, whereas before you could not allow them in. Well for the most part. People need to stop chasing metas and just play what they have fun with style wise because, per the devs themselves, the intent is for the meta to keep changing over and over again.
@@ParfaxGaming not true. It's already changed and that's going to continue. I remember when Bruisers dominated PVE too, but that's no longer the case. The only issue preventing mage mut participation has been the nature of muts with their elemental resists, especially b4 they removed the negative elemental modifiers from the enemy types on top of those. Both of those are about to be gone. Between overhauls and new weps coming, if things simply stay the way they are in terms of what you have to be using to be a pug in high level end game content, then this game will have failed hard and it will die.
it's actually wild that they nerfed fireball as hard as they did, but still haven't touched flamethrower lmao. they need to cut that 4m distance in half. if you wanna burn clumps you should be in them.
@@ViliGiX no it would still be useful for what its meant to do... stat pad. you just wouldn't be able to put full stacks on someone who immediately notices the flame thrower and tries to escape the range, and or a melee before they can close in to try and cc. I've been playing fs/ig basically since I hit 60 in the first few months of the game, and even I think that shit is dumb.
I was going to run this build give or take a few ability changes. Glad to see someone else has done the math cause I definitely only got as far as what abilities I wanted to use haha.
I wouldn't necessarily say this build will be meta, but it will 100% be viable. Rapier for single targets and tight clumps will still be king of DPS as flurry with empower + max rend on a target it can deal 15-20k+ per flurry use (3-6k per hit on flurry 5x), pair it with tondo + FnF and you're dealing massive amounts of burst + DoT..now if you don't want to run FnF you can run the evade build which is still a high DPS build as lights attacks can hit 6k+ after using evade. Keep in mind I'm talking about this being used against corrupted, against any other enemy type it's slightly weaker but still at the top of DPS compared to all other weapons. Even currently it competes against Greatswords, but Greatsword currently is extremely strong and unbeatable in terms of DPS, but after the update rapier's will be back at the top. Now, a rapier user + FS user together more than likely will be meta and pair it with a 3rd dps using Spear+GA for the CC+Burst DPS+Pulls. Keep in mind as well that tanks are also more than likely migrating to using VG as their mainhand now going 300 con and 200 int, this way you wouldn't need to use VG offhand, and instead run IG for even more DPS
Thanks for your videos! Always enjoy them! Curious why you feel hearty is a must in PVE? I personally dont feel any need for hearty running spear/hatchet so curious why you think hearty is a must for mage? I feel like I'd prefer something like surgeons ring (keen/void dmg) or something with all dmg adding perks
Well, if there was a keen, fire, refreshing, or burning, I would agree. Those can not roll together plus next patch the extra dodge you get from hearty will be even more important with the nerf to oblivion and with the extra damage we will be taking.
Atm I'm a tank, so with this new update I'm going to try out being a mage tank since grit is moving to con and magic weapons are getting taunts. If it works well I think it'll be fun. Then I don't have to be playing tank, but want to do dps mage. I'll just be both. Plus void blade will have grit to it.
Flamethrowers has always been underrated. People in this game are so pvp centric in their mentality that they think burst damage beats all. That's not the case in pve boss fights. Anyone who has played games with parsable combat logs can tell you the real value of constant dmg like dot builds. APM matters. The reality is it all has it's place. A skilled mage paired up with a skilled melee can seriously melt bosses. The mut situation and failures of the ability/specs are what have kept mages on the bench. This is the first full weapon rework and I think it's amazing. Time to dust off my mage main gear from storage for pve :) I really hope their future reworks for the other weps going forward are as well rounded and smartly done as this one was.
Problem is Attunment in PvE sucks balls its actualy 6-8% dmg and it works only for 1 enemy even if u hit multiplaye thats why any chain, keenly jagged or keenly empowered are better.
@@Diss0lvant source you mean? All calculation were done by X-R who does all the calculations for the speed runners. I have a chart save that he posted in the speed runner discord.
@@luckyosrs thanks :) Do you think those calculations are somewhat relevant or useful for casual players ? I personnaly love the GS but can't find any good combo to pair with and every source I found said "go GS/Hatchet", which I find too static and boring. GS is good by itself, I just want a nice combo to enhance the GS strength.
@GunnsyGaming they do but in order to get into high level mutations with random groups you have to play the meta. Also for some people their enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with the build they play. Some people enjoy playing the meta.
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The key thing to realize is that the devs are trying to take away the "there is only 1 meta" BS. The intent of this game from day 1 was to let people play a million different ways and still be viable. Will you HAVE to have a mage to be a killer mut group? No. But now you will be ABLE to, whereas before you could not allow them in. Well for the most part. People need to stop chasing metas and just play what they have fun with style wise because, per the devs themselves, the intent is for the meta to keep changing over and over again.
you can play the way you want if you have a static play group, but to get into m10 random groups playing what you want won't cut it.
@@ParfaxGaming which is what's they are working on changing. Which is how it should be.
@@Mr.Nubtastic it can't change unfortunately. It's the nature of the beast.
@@ParfaxGaming not true. It's already changed and that's going to continue. I remember when Bruisers dominated PVE too, but that's no longer the case. The only issue preventing mage mut participation has been the nature of muts with their elemental resists, especially b4 they removed the negative elemental modifiers from the enemy types on top of those. Both of those are about to be gone. Between overhauls and new weps coming, if things simply stay the way they are in terms of what you have to be using to be a pug in high level end game content, then this game will have failed hard and it will die.
@@Mr.Nubtastic it only depends on the players, if the majority of mutations players wants the classic GS/hatchet dps, You can't do anything about it
Any update to this video or a mutation run video please? I love your voidfire build.
it's actually wild that they nerfed fireball as hard as they did, but still haven't touched flamethrower lmao. they need to cut that 4m distance in half. if you wanna burn clumps you should be in them.
I could see that
then it would be another useless skill
@@ViliGiX no it would still be useful for what its meant to do... stat pad. you just wouldn't be able to put full stacks on someone who immediately notices the flame thrower and tries to escape the range, and or a melee before they can close in to try and cc.
I've been playing fs/ig basically since I hit 60 in the first few months of the game, and even I think that shit is dumb.
Can you post which skills to take in what order?
Been playing this for a week now. Made a lot of progress. Deals massive dmg in dungeons. Love to play it cause it's interactive. Thanks for the build
no problem glad you liked it
I was going to run this build give or take a few ability changes. Glad to see someone else has done the math cause I definitely only got as far as what abilities I wanted to use haha.
nice
So I'm going to do like 30 fire staff rolls with scarabs. What perks should I guarantee for PvE?
Bane and vicious
Really no flame attunement?
I wouldn't necessarily say this build will be meta, but it will 100% be viable. Rapier for single targets and tight clumps will still be king of DPS as flurry with empower + max rend on a target it can deal 15-20k+ per flurry use (3-6k per hit on flurry 5x), pair it with tondo + FnF and you're dealing massive amounts of burst + DoT..now if you don't want to run FnF you can run the evade build which is still a high DPS build as lights attacks can hit 6k+ after using evade. Keep in mind I'm talking about this being used against corrupted, against any other enemy type it's slightly weaker but still at the top of DPS compared to all other weapons.
Even currently it competes against Greatswords, but Greatsword currently is extremely strong and unbeatable in terms of DPS, but after the update rapier's will be back at the top.
Now, a rapier user + FS user together more than likely will be meta and pair it with a 3rd dps using Spear+GA for the CC+Burst DPS+Pulls.
Keep in mind as well that tanks are also more than likely migrating to using VG as their mainhand now going 300 con and 200 int, this way you wouldn't need to use VG offhand, and instead run IG for even more DPS
Finally i can upgrade my Blighted armor to use Int builds
YESSSSSSSS
Thanks for your videos! Always enjoy them! Curious why you feel hearty is a must in PVE? I personally dont feel any need for hearty running spear/hatchet so curious why you think hearty is a must for mage? I feel like I'd prefer something like surgeons ring (keen/void dmg) or something with all dmg adding perks
Well, if there was a keen, fire, refreshing, or burning, I would agree. Those can not roll together plus next patch the extra dodge you get from hearty will be even more important with the nerf to oblivion and with the extra damage we will be taking.
I wonder what the BIS PvE will be on fire staff
Bane, resfresh pof, vicious
any thoughts on a build for pvp that maximizes burn and uses backdraft to burst the target for extra dps?
im looking to see if there is a way and if I find it I will post it
Is it worth having 50 dex for the 10% crit chance?
All these weapon and fortification/armor nerfs are really going to screw the Solo PVE players in order to nerf the PVP side!
I don't think they are happy with the pve side as well. 5 con light armor with no real downside is a problem on their eyes as well
Uh I don’t think so. Rapier/GS/Spear will be the top 3 weapons next patch. Fs doesn’t look that good for pve still compared to these weapons.
Rapier is actually one of the highest dps weapons in the game and every speed running group runs 1.
He has 6690 inventory stoage 14:13 🤔
Lol those ptr bags are cracked
Atm I'm a tank, so with this new update I'm going to try out being a mage tank since grit is moving to con and magic weapons are getting taunts. If it works well I think it'll be fun. Then I don't have to be playing tank, but want to do dps mage. I'll just be both. Plus void blade will have grit to it.
It will be fun next patch for sure
Not sure how u want block
@MrBalrogos with voidblade, plus void gauntlet has a lot of stamina regen
Mage weapons are going to be fun with the taunts 300 con and constant dps mix in a blunderbuss and the fun doesn’t stop
@@Lv1Jolteon 300con and taunt for what purpose
Flamethrowers has always been underrated. People in this game are so pvp centric in their mentality that they think burst damage beats all. That's not the case in pve boss fights. Anyone who has played games with parsable combat logs can tell you the real value of constant dmg like dot builds. APM matters. The reality is it all has it's place. A skilled mage paired up with a skilled melee can seriously melt bosses. The mut situation and failures of the ability/specs are what have kept mages on the bench. This is the first full weapon rework and I think it's amazing. Time to dust off my mage main gear from storage for pve :) I really hope their future reworks for the other weps going forward are as well rounded and smartly done as this one was.
apm with flamethrower? lmao what
yeah part of that is just the game doesnt give you a good way to test dps.
@@ParfaxGaming yup. So many people in this game would have their minds blown if they had parsable log files for this game.
90% of people in game are PvE centris ther eis almost no PvP content in game and we waiting over a 1 and still not get faction pvp :D
@@Mr.Nubtastic yeah I am working on comparing some weapons like fire and rapier to greatsword, but it's rough
Problem is Attunment in PvE sucks balls its actualy 6-8% dmg and it works only for 1 enemy even if u hit multiplaye thats why any chain, keenly jagged or keenly empowered are better.
The king is only one FnF Rapier nothing change and then spear and great sword :D
Unfortunately this is FAR from meta DPS. The calculations for all the weapons have already been done & FS/bow/ig/VG are still way at the bottom.
sauce ?
@@Diss0lvant source you mean? All calculation were done by X-R who does all the calculations for the speed runners. I have a chart save that he posted in the speed runner discord.
@@luckyosrs thanks :)
Do you think those calculations are somewhat relevant or useful for casual players ?
I personnaly love the GS but can't find any good combo to pair with and every source I found said "go GS/Hatchet", which I find too static and boring. GS is good by itself, I just want a nice combo to enhance the GS strength.
@@luckyosrs btw i'd love a link to that discord where I could find said chart, please :)
Fire staff is still useless. Pve meta will stay the same it is now honestly. At least mutation Wise.
Can people just play the game instead of meta chase it’s the worst part about gaming these days
Games make content for the meta chasers. Meta chasing has always been a thing it just took longer to figure out.
@@ParfaxGaming why don’t people just play what they enjoy?
@GunnsyGaming they do but in order to get into high level mutations with random groups you have to play the meta. Also for some people their enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with the build they play. Some people enjoy playing the meta.
hate magic
lmao, rapier do twice or more that dmg. even now on live xd nice clickbait title
It doesn't I have been working on a video with dps testing rapier and fire staff. This video should hopefully come out this week
If only the gear in pve was even worth doing lmao pointless
I die way to much as a Mage in this game, and I kill way faster as a melee.
Cause melees are busted, and mages fking suck lol