Agree 100 percent. Once the flutter community is segmented in this way, I think it will cause confusion for developers who want to adopt Flutter in the future.
Google is not giving Flutter the attention it deserves but this is definitely not the solution. Best case scenario it's the catalyst for Flutter getting more support but that's being very optimistic. Which... I'm not.
I bought your Flutter course a few years ago on Udemy and really like your slow pace and explanation throughout it. This is the first time I have seen your RUclips channel by chance and instantly recognized your voice.
@ I’m still going through it. I took a break from Flutter a couple years and now back looking at it, Swift, and Kotlin. They’re tutorials on RUclips too.
Red flag I see already is that they don't go into the economics around hiring maintainers (they use the word "recruit" without specifying what that means) and how those resources are going to be allocated. Establishing a clear path for how maintenance around different parts of the project is going to take place is the major factor in whether a fork (or even project) will thrive or cease. It's more than just code and merging MRs for the sake of it. The hardest part, and main difference, between a fork of an already established project, and a completely new project is the fact that the latter allows you to grow more slowly; whereas the former, people already have high expectations for how the fork is going to move forward.
nah mate, with a lot of experience building actual cross platform with flutter, desktop support is bloody amazing, prefer it over native desktop, it's come a long way and done well, I even have another desktop app underway and since it's responsive, if i feel like it, I'll simply release it for web as well, and I haven't had issues with my web app either,w with wasm build time has significantly gone down
You're right, it would be great to have the official support but in the meantime, did you use any of the existing packages or you developed your own solution?@@himmelkami3308
Thanks for the clear explanation and valuable insights into the challenges and processes within the Flutter community. Your way of breaking things down shows a deep understanding of the topic, and as someone new to your channel, I already feel enlightened. Best regards, Tehuti from Egypt. From my experience, I can see how Flutter's journey aligns with your points. The community has grown tremendously in recent years, even as the core team faced resource constraints. Despite this, they’ve achieved impressive milestones, laying a strong foundation for limitless improvement. The emergence of Flock, a community-driven fork of Flutter, feels like a natural step in the lifecycle of any distinguished framework. Projects like this remind me of historical forks, such as C's evolution into diverse implementations that shaped modern programming. Flock’s aim to incorporate community-driven updates and features could bring exciting possibilities for Flutter's future. It’ll be fascinating to see how this unfolds for developers and the ecosystem!
It does almost feel like Google is distancing itself from flutter, simply by seeing how each Android Studio update is less integrated than the previous version. It is a constant worry if they'd just pull the plug on it one day. Always important to remember, very large corps (Google, Amazon, etc) have an almost dictatorial control over the environment, simple because everyone always "wants to join the biggest". Until they start having to conform to arbitrary rules, or in this case, forced to follow the same rate of expansion, they realised they've been given too much power. So I do think we should still try to support an alternative, smaller projects, even if it means just not giving a single entity full control over something.
Yeah, thats ja huge architectural refactore there and now react native might has (near) native performance. I am really curious about that and hope that Max updates his react native course soon.
To be honest I was happy when flutter announced desktop support, but it was a bit underwhelming. The fact that the Firebase Packages do not work for Windows set me on a journey to find an alternative to Firebase. And now it feels like Flutter focus sometimes is to push Google's AI.
I haven't done any mobile development in the last few years and wanted to get back to it, but seeing Google pushing it's AI on Flutter makes me rethink that
@@danvilela Nah, iOS and Android is already reaching their peak. Unless a new form factor or a revolutionary way to compute+communicate on the go is invented, they're stuck in this form. Web is not to be blamed here. If anything, it looks like mobile apps has been killing the web for the past 10 or so years. If you really want to blame something, blame AI.
I start learning flutter 2 months ago and i have to say i love it its so easy to understand and the documentation is the best they put so much eafert on it and will alwayes support flutter ❤❤❤❤❤
flutter team allegedly have 50+ people working there, thats a lot of people ifs true, I think flock can only help flutter get better, people says flutter got killed almost every week, and the number of people that uses it continue to grow...
Is basically the story of React Native's bots. Every week they try to convince themselves that Flutter is going to die. Is like going out into the desert, doing a rain dance and hoping it will rain. 🙃
Hi Max, Thanks for your valuable insight here. My Flutter journey started with your Udemy Tutorial back in 2019 and has been a great experience since then. In my limited understanding, Flock team's effort might get wasted depending on how fast Google or anyone else comes up with the AI alternative of building cross-platform Apps.
It's a marketing thing Flutter is a great tool but how you convince big corporations to use it, we hope the community could resolve the issues in a better agile way.
HR: At least 10 years of experience with Flock. Developer: I have 6 years of experience with Flutter, which is essentially the same thing. HR: No sorry, we really need Flock experience.
Its probably a good idea, I remember talking to one of the devs and he didn't know if he would even still have his job that afternoon. He was talking about all the things they couldn't work on due to lack of staff, that was a year ago, i guess its got worse now.
Flutter, lol. There are literally no arguments not to use flutter for new projects. KMP is only ok if business already has a kotlin/java products that are in prod, and it for some reason struggle to maintain both native platforms.
@@m4toro For now yes, use flutter if you are not from either swift or Kotlin Developers. But when CMP is mature enough, android native developers can leverage their skillset to Multiplatform
@@meidy3795it will probably be far from now. CMP steps on the same rakes as Flutter did once from it's beginning. In comparison Flutter is already more mature than CMP, most companies will consider this. Business is not waiting, so when CMP will be ready to use, there would be a lot of flutter legacy projects already, it's really a matter of time.
Ah, classic Google! Step 1: Launch a cool product. Step 2: Wait until everyone loves it. Step 3: Kill it off. Remember Orkut? Wave? And in 2022, they just ghosted the OG AngularJS, and now, RIP Chromecast.
@@maximilianotorres7130 yeah, that's fair. I still remember struggling and cursing Angular JS back in 2016 😂. My comment was more regarding the way goggle discards running services and products.
unbiased and straight forward, I will suggest Google hire him to head the flutter team if he's so passionate about solving the issues and bring flutter to the next level.
Google could just sync up angular with flutter instead of focusing on its web support. they could introduce dart support in angular and let angular handle that aspect for flutter.
How will you compare it with react native? If you were given option to choose the one for next project which one you will choose without having any emotional attachment with either one :)
Flutter is good as it is. I'm feeling like it's starting to get a little more like JavaScript. It is the same reason why I find it hard to learn JavaScript; There is a vast number of tools that you could use, that causes confusion especially to someone like me who's just starting to learn.
Things that Google use themselves will be promoted. What do you think this RUclips app is in flutter or kotlin? They use angular and it gets new features, they probably don't use flutter
Actually RUclips create, google ads, goofle classroom and most recent google earth too was shifted to flutter so they do use flutter ALOT like google pay too is built in flutter If if they don't alibaba ebay pubgm bmw
Are you sure? Big part of google ads is written in dart, analytics product in flutter. It's just cannot be that Google itself takes dart and flutter not seriously.
Currently I use ionic/angular to build mobile apps. But this phenomenon makes me think twice to use flutter, probably I'll use react native or NativeScript (since I know some angular) if I want to switch to native mobile apps. For web world, I am lazy to try react. Just still stick to angular (because many corporations like it). But maybe I'll try Laravel (for my freelance needs) in the near future. But Svelte also seems legit. hmm, just my opinion
Flutter in some ways inherits things from angular and dart as language really feels like TS, JavaScript or whatever. You may definitely try to create a simple Todo app to taste dart/flutter.
Kotlin might stand to gain, but it's unsettling how effortlessly Google can neglect something valuable, like Flutter. It’s as though they’ve learned nothing from the massive mistake of not acquiring Sun Microsystems..
Let's be realistic. Flutter is an amazing framework. But it never took off commercially and never will. With the reduction in team size, frustration on time taken for PR approvals ending up with flock, it is simply on a downward trend. It's not gonna die off today. But It will just stay on as a fond framework for personal projects. Small apps. Depends on your perspective whether that counts as alive or dead.
Hit the nail on the head. Google has done basically nothing with Flutter in over a year. Accessibility issues aren’t being fixed. They’ve moved most of the team to other projects. Start something, get users, then abandon it, that’s their playbook.
I'm new to this, you said there is a difference between Flutter and React Native. It would be interesting to know. If you needed to make an app for mobile what would you prefer between Flutter and React Native.
Depends. If you know JS and have experience in React, then give a try to RN and Expo. If you have time to learn Dart and Flutter, then try it. I think the best way is to try both, for example, create a ToDo app and decide which is more pleasurable for you.
I've learned React in one day and tried RN for weeks. Is not that difficult to tweak the new changes in the new architecture. The overall course of Max already covers what you need to know. Don't rely too much on courses
@@nero1375 i have done a number of projects in react native and expo. But for deep down learning of expo, expo prebuilds, eas , expo router and new arch course helps a lot.
Firing programmers in a company with so much money can only mean that Flutter is getting in their way. They have opted for other formulas for multiplatform development. It's nothing personal, just business.
I'm putting my eggs in the Kotlin basket. Nothing but good news coming out of the Jetbrains team. Compose Multiplatform is in beta and it looks good to me. Kotlin 2 is also on the horizon and they have the pedal to the metal. I'm investing all my time into learning Kotlin at the moment and I gotta say, it's way better than I expected.
Oh yeah. And google has thrown the full support behind compose multiplatform. But it's not up to google. It's up to jetbrains. Plus the product is built on top of (and compatible with) decades of Java libraries and pedigree. That's why I chose it. It just has more of a foundation under it.
@@gorudonu yeah I think it will be a while before K2 is in CMP. I'm cool with that. The point being is that the project overall is progressing very well unlike flutter. I looked into flutter but it doesn't suit my needs and I prefer to structure of CMP and I don't want to learn a programming language that can only be used with one technology. I've used Java back in the day and it was powerful but painful. Now with Kotlin, it's even more powerful but less pain. Enough to bring me out of retirement ;)
In my own experience flutter for mobile development is better than react native. In RN sometimes I had bugs and no straight answer on why and how (ofc the complexity of JS adds to the equation) In flutter most of the times I can find the root cause much faster. For web? I would go for react most of the times
@@danvilela Well android has a good control over the market. I believe is good to know one cross-platform and one native. and i will choose with jetpack compose making it really easy too. That my believe.
A like for your point at 6:00 I think they should just focus on Mobile and Small Devices. Web has alot of great Frameworks and libraries we dont need another new Library or a framework.
I kind of understand the point of web. Flutter is meant to run anywhere where we can render pixels, and dart was originally meant to be transpiled to JS. But they should have more people. We have now 6 platforms (7 if you count Fuchsia), so the team seems a little small.
@@viniciusmelquiades Point taken (transpiled to JavaScript) But when Flutter change to web is making everything JavaScript, which is really unnecessary, Web and its browsers now very capable, Developers should update there Knowledge about HTML and CSS. The rules i follow when i build a web App or any website, i do everything possible when html and css only then i start plug in javascript for somethings. all apps i have built, Fast, stable, and reflects customer requirements. Rule of thumb always build your web app using pure HTML and CSS then plug JavaScript to it (Client Side).
While nothing is certain, Flutter's current trajectory suggests Google's continued support. Worst-case scenario: If Google were to "kill" Flutter, the community would likely: 1. Fork the project. >> Flutter isn't going to die...... it will live just like linux, so flock is right........and we must add to that.. 2. Continue development. 3. Ensure compatibility. Flutter's open-source nature guarantees its survival.
1 month later... Let's see how active that fork is... Well, it's not. And what is the point in general? What is born to be in the Google graveyard will b - Wait, wait, probably Flutter devs are not ready for it.
I just heard ( from the text ), mee, the fluter team dosen't accept my contribution nor wants me in their team, I will try to make my own copy, and you will see I will do it better, mee....
Bs. Cuz number one is that flutter is open-source, and thus u have the free fork out of the box, we have felt too not exactly solves the same issues but idk if it's even worth it. Nobody will switch NGL, and anyone can fork that project idk what's the big deal on that. And people use flutter to build apps for all platforms, web isn't that accepted right now, but can change in future and no way a team of two flock devs can change that. Mark my words. Flutter is great. Getx is great. Clean architecture is upto the devs, keeping stuff modular and performant
From a years ago, the flutter pathetic state is began, though. Become stagnant and not google priority anymore, very sad :( Devs, be mindful, be open minded, know and understand about whats going on under the hood with flutter.
As someone who has taken a number of your courses via Udemy my only complaint with you is your failure to commit to teaching one simple way. Now this is with only beginners. You choose to teach multiple ways of doing an action instead of teaching one single way for a beginner to grasp so they can move forward. Now for those who can't understand what I'm referring to you this is none of your concern. This is one of the reasons why PHP has a bad rep because there are so many of ways of doing the same thing. Say what you want but I'm not alone in this reaction.
😂 Flutter devs now can’t only solve basic os integrations like screen readers but also where to source their library from 😂 It’s just comical to see engineers spending any time on a side project from a hand full of Google engineers. Ya know, the company with the largest tech grave yard
Looks like the beginning of the end. Google played enough, realized that they will never beat React Native on this battlefield and just left Flutter to die
react native is an abomination. Only serious competition for mobile cross-platform is between Flutter and KMP. Even though Flutter is released a lot later than react native with a language no one knew, it still surpassed react native, if that does not tell you how shitty RN is nothing will (jk, actually using it will also do it xd)
Definitely have my reservations ... and i don't recommend that ... Instead contribute to main project and Google should increase flutter team to at least 1000 people
nah this is pointless, flutter seems to be good enough as it is, id rather saying the fork will be the source of more confusions and segmentations than the current issues. Flutter feels bloody amazing in both dektstop and mobile. People just forking everything right and left nowadays. Even rust got forked at one point and now the fork's last commit to the main branch was 3 months ago. Better let google handle stuff instead of letting random people on the net do it. At least google can take responsibility. Who knows when these people might ghost the project.
Greetings from paraguay, I found very valuable your analysis on this case, they seem to want to cover too many areas and in software development that is an excess of complexity, which leads to problems like shortage of resources needed to meet all the functionalities , they are already facing this consequence Project management becomes more costly and complex, and with that comes an inferior product that covers more areas (thet want to), but with low quality that no group likes.
I just moved from flutter because no matter what you do, framework doesnt support you :D you have to install ton of third party packages like riverpod etc but they all sucks
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Agree 100 percent. Once the flutter community is segmented in this way, I think it will cause confusion for developers who want to adopt Flutter in the future.
highly agree this is not the way
Google is not giving Flutter the attention it deserves but this is definitely not the solution. Best case scenario it's the catalyst for Flutter getting more support but that's being very optimistic. Which... I'm not.
nows the time for React Native
@@ulrich-tonmoythe market of js is more fragmented.
@@ulrich-tonmoy No sir. We are done with React.
Google: "ah, finally, now we can cancel this project"
"... before it eating more and more from our pocket" 😂
LOL
Imagine if Flock become more successful after Flutter terminated by Google, management would regret it lol
video starts at 3:22
thanks man
Thaaaaanks
Thx
I bought your Flutter course a few years ago on Udemy and really like your slow pace and explanation throughout it. This is the first time I have seen your RUclips channel by chance and instantly recognized your voice.
Did you finish it? If you finished it, would you recommend me another resource with it?
@ I’m still going through it. I took a break from Flutter a couple years and now back looking at it, Swift, and Kotlin. They’re tutorials on RUclips too.
Red flag I see already is that they don't go into the economics around hiring maintainers (they use the word "recruit" without specifying what that means) and how those resources are going to be allocated.
Establishing a clear path for how maintenance around different parts of the project is going to take place is the major factor in whether a fork (or even project) will thrive or cease. It's more than just code and merging MRs for the sake of it. The hardest part, and main difference, between a fork of an already established project, and a completely new project is the fact that the latter allows you to grow more slowly; whereas the former, people already have high expectations for how the fork is going to move forward.
nah mate, with a lot of experience building actual cross platform with flutter, desktop support is bloody amazing, prefer it over native desktop, it's come a long way and done well, I even have another desktop app underway and since it's responsive, if i feel like it, I'll simply release it for web as well, and I haven't had issues with my web app either,w with wasm build time has significantly gone down
yeah，flutter desktop is truly amazing and that is why I use flutter.
Bro would you mind if I need your mentorship on flutter?
Hi here, congrats on your flutter desktop app. Did you app need the multi window feature and how did you go about it?
@@daumienebi multi window is possible however official support is desperate needed. So you are right this is what I want from flutter official.
You're right, it would be great to have the official support but in the meantime, did you use any of the existing packages or you developed your own solution?@@himmelkami3308
one dude fork flutter, create a blog, and y'all are making videos about it.
yeah when I forked flutter no body said anything about it
Hahahahahaha@@msjahun
Thanks for the clear explanation and valuable insights into the challenges and processes within the Flutter community. Your way of breaking things down shows a deep understanding of the topic, and as someone new to your channel, I already feel enlightened. Best regards, Tehuti from Egypt.
From my experience, I can see how Flutter's journey aligns with your points. The community has grown tremendously in recent years, even as the core team faced resource constraints. Despite this, they’ve achieved impressive milestones, laying a strong foundation for limitless improvement. The emergence of Flock, a community-driven fork of Flutter, feels like a natural step in the lifecycle of any distinguished framework. Projects like this remind me of historical forks, such as C's evolution into diverse implementations that shaped modern programming.
Flock’s aim to incorporate community-driven updates and features could bring exciting possibilities for Flutter's future. It’ll be fascinating to see how this unfolds for developers and the ecosystem!
1 dude cloned a repo, tech youtuber and flutter haters - celebrate and make video
Literally, all these guys are in shambles. 🙃
Exactly! Finally found someone with actual thinking capability
It does almost feel like Google is distancing itself from flutter, simply by seeing how each Android Studio update is less integrated than the previous version. It is a constant worry if they'd just pull the plug on it one day.
Always important to remember, very large corps (Google, Amazon, etc) have an almost dictatorial control over the environment, simple because everyone always "wants to join the biggest". Until they start having to conform to arbitrary rules, or in this case, forced to follow the same rate of expansion, they realised they've been given too much power. So I do think we should still try to support an alternative, smaller projects, even if it means just not giving a single entity full control over something.
Max. React Native announced new architecture with v0.76. Can you make content with it?
Yeah, thats ja huge architectural refactore there and now react native might has (near) native performance. I am really curious about that and hope that Max updates his react native course soon.
This cloud be a big reason to choose react native over flutter,
is it new arch will help to make it less painful for migrating from 0.5 to latest?
To be honest I was happy when flutter announced desktop support, but it was a bit underwhelming. The fact that the Firebase Packages do not work for Windows set me on a journey to find an alternative to Firebase. And now it feels like Flutter focus sometimes is to push Google's AI.
I haven't done any mobile development in the last few years and wanted to get back to it, but seeing Google pushing it's AI on Flutter makes me rethink that
Desktop and web was so disapointing.. they stopped evolving ios and android because of it. And is not really useful
@@danvilela Nah, iOS and Android is already reaching their peak. Unless a new form factor or a revolutionary way to compute+communicate on the go is invented, they're stuck in this form.
Web is not to be blamed here. If anything, it looks like mobile apps has been killing the web for the past 10 or so years. If you really want to blame something, blame AI.
It's about time... Flutter development has stalled over the years. Maybe flock can get to the peak quicker than flutter.
I start learning flutter 2 months ago and i have to say i love it its so easy to understand and the documentation is the best they put so much eafert on it and will alwayes support flutter ❤❤❤❤❤
I left WPF and UWP for windows development in favor of flutter and never looked back, works great !
flutter team allegedly have 50+ people working there, thats a lot of people ifs true, I think flock can only help flutter get better, people says flutter got killed almost every week, and the number of people that uses it continue to grow...
Is basically the story of React Native's bots. Every week they try to convince themselves that Flutter is going to die. Is like going out into the desert, doing a rain dance and hoping it will rain. 🙃
afaik, Google fired many flutter dev
@@MrlegendOr lol 😂, yeah I see this form react native guys every day. They pray for the end flutter.
😂
Hi Max, Thanks for your valuable insight here.
My Flutter journey started with your Udemy Tutorial back in 2019 and has been a great experience since then.
In my limited understanding, Flock team's effort might get wasted depending on how fast Google or anyone else comes up with the AI alternative of building cross-platform Apps.
Google is having a hard time devwloping Flutter. Lets hope the community can do a better job.
ITS NOT FLUTTER COMMUNITY , JUST 2 GUYS DUDE
2 frustrated guys... same history here. everyone I know that was talking about it was a bunch of Flutter haters LOL
@jonathanbersot6549 exactly
I'm one of the 300k student for that flutter course you create.
And how it went?
@@Maxo_metr very informative and helpful
It's a marketing thing
Flutter is a great tool but how you convince big corporations to use it, we hope the community could resolve the issues in a better agile way.
HR: At least 10 years of experience with Flock.
Developer: I have 6 years of experience with Flutter, which is essentially the same thing.
HR: No sorry, we really need Flock experience.
Its probably a good idea, I remember talking to one of the devs and he didn't know if he would even still have his job that afternoon. He was talking about all the things they couldn't work on due to lack of staff, that was a year ago, i guess its got worse now.
hmmm, so what other frameworks i should USE for multiplatform now??
KMP / CMP
Flutter, lol. There are literally no arguments not to use flutter for new projects. KMP is only ok if business already has a kotlin/java products that are in prod, and it for some reason struggle to maintain both native platforms.
@@m4toro For now yes, use flutter if you are not from either swift or Kotlin Developers. But when CMP is mature enough, android native developers can leverage their skillset to Multiplatform
@@meidy3795it will probably be far from now. CMP steps on the same rakes as Flutter did once from it's beginning. In comparison Flutter is already more mature than CMP, most companies will consider this. Business is not waiting, so when CMP will be ready to use, there would be a lot of flutter legacy projects already, it's really a matter of time.
@@m4toro thanks for your feedback
Fantastic unbiased explanation ❤
Thank you so much!
1 dude forked Flutter and now you're making a video about it. Congrats
The problem of flutter is that it is backed by Google.
Google prioritizes innovations after business
Futter web does work but Next (React), svelte etc. is much smaller (and faster to load) if it app has more than 2-3 screens/pages.
Ah, classic Google! Step 1: Launch a cool product. Step 2: Wait until everyone loves it. Step 3: Kill it off. Remember Orkut? Wave? And in 2022, they just ghosted the OG AngularJS, and now, RIP Chromecast.
Tbh , og angularjs needed to go the way of the dodo. It was shunned by the community a long time before 2022
Angular must die too
@@maximilianotorres7130 yeah, that's fair. I still remember struggling and cursing Angular JS back in 2016 😂. My comment was more regarding the way goggle discards running services and products.
Don't forget JAMBOARD
@@saiphaneeshk.h.5482 I did mention Jamboard in a separate comment, that too twich but somehow RUclips kept deleting my comment. Don't know why
unbiased and straight forward, I will suggest Google hire him to head the flutter team if he's so passionate about solving the issues and bring flutter to the next level.
Nope
Google could just sync up angular with flutter instead of focusing on its web support. they could introduce dart support in angular and let angular handle that aspect for flutter.
No that would suck
We already have Angular Dart. The main repo is archived, and the community repo is dead. Nobody is not interested in Angular Dart
I like to use flutter web right now
How will you compare it with react native? If you were given option to choose the one for next project which one you will choose without having any emotional attachment with either one :)
Flutter is good as it is. I'm feeling like it's starting to get a little more like JavaScript. It is the same reason why I find it hard to learn JavaScript; There is a vast number of tools that you could use, that causes confusion especially to someone like me who's just starting to learn.
A framework starting to get a little more like a programming language?
Things that Google use themselves will be promoted. What do you think this RUclips app is in flutter or kotlin? They use angular and it gets new features, they probably don't use flutter
Actually RUclips create, google ads, goofle classroom and most recent google earth too was shifted to flutter so they do use flutter ALOT like google pay too is built in flutter
If if they don't alibaba ebay pubgm bmw
Google Pay and Google Classroom are developed using flutter. Idk about Google Classrooms but Google Pay is widely used.
There are 50+ teams at Google that use Flutter. 😂 Including, Google Pay, Google Earth, and other high profile public apps.
Are you sure? Big part of google ads is written in dart, analytics product in flutter. It's just cannot be that Google itself takes dart and flutter not seriously.
Currently I use ionic/angular to build mobile apps. But this phenomenon makes me think twice to use flutter, probably I'll use react native or NativeScript (since I know some angular) if I want to switch to native mobile apps.
For web world, I am lazy to try react. Just still stick to angular (because many corporations like it). But maybe I'll try Laravel (for my freelance needs) in the near future. But Svelte also seems legit. hmm, just my opinion
I switched from React to Svelte, and I love it
Flutter in some ways inherits things from angular and dart as language really feels like TS, JavaScript or whatever. You may definitely try to create a simple Todo app to taste dart/flutter.
Kotlin might stand to gain, but it's unsettling how effortlessly Google can neglect something valuable, like Flutter. It’s as though they’ve learned nothing from the massive mistake of not acquiring Sun Microsystems..
Let's be realistic. Flutter is an amazing framework. But it never took off commercially and never will. With the reduction in team size, frustration on time taken for PR approvals ending up with flock, it is simply on a downward trend. It's not gonna die off today. But It will just stay on as a fond framework for personal projects. Small apps. Depends on your perspective whether that counts as alive or dead.
Flutter is forked like many projects. Main point is that Flutter is not archived.👈😀
Why does Google always do this to their beloved, yet not profitable products?
exactly you've answered your own question
Hit the nail on the head. Google has done basically nothing with Flutter in over a year. Accessibility issues aren’t being fixed. They’ve moved most of the team to other projects. Start something, get users, then abandon it, that’s their playbook.
Please update your flutter course to flock. Love to see in the future❤
I think it's good, new features/bugs fix can come faster.
I'm new to this, you said there is a difference between Flutter and React Native. It would be interesting to know.
If you needed to make an app for mobile what would you prefer between Flutter and React Native.
Depends. If you know JS and have experience in React, then give a try to RN and Expo. If you have time to learn Dart and Flutter, then try it.
I think the best way is to try both, for example, create a ToDo app and decide which is more pleasurable for you.
Agree 100%. Flutter only ios and android would be years ahead of what is now..
Totally agree bro, additionally I think the biggest problem of flutter its Dart
Hello Sir, I enrolled in your amazing sql course, it inspired me to become a developer, can you please tell the scope of Flutter in 2025 as a fresher?
Max, Please update react native Udemy course.
A lot of things have been changed in react native and expo
I've learned React in one day and tried RN for weeks. Is not that difficult to tweak the new changes in the new architecture. The overall course of Max already covers what you need to know. Don't rely too much on courses
@@nero1375 i have done a number of projects in react native and expo. But for deep down learning of expo, expo prebuilds, eas , expo router and new arch course helps a lot.
Firing programmers in a company with so much money can only mean that Flutter is getting in their way. They have opted for other formulas for multiplatform development.
It's nothing personal, just business.
It should be possible to off a complete new widgets as a Lib, right?
Hopefully they simplify the setup and files in the project.
I'm putting my eggs in the Kotlin basket. Nothing but good news coming out of the Jetbrains team. Compose Multiplatform is in beta and it looks good to me. Kotlin 2 is also on the horizon and they have the pedal to the metal. I'm investing all my time into learning Kotlin at the moment and I gotta say, it's way better than I expected.
Oh yeah. And google has thrown the full support behind compose multiplatform. But it's not up to google. It's up to jetbrains. Plus the product is built on top of (and compatible with) decades of Java libraries and pedigree. That's why I chose it. It just has more of a foundation under it.
Btw, Kotlin is already in its 2.x.x versions!
Kotlin is quite nice.
@@TerenceKearns no, only for KMP not CMP. Also, after using compose for some time, I'd pick flutter everytime
@@gorudonu yeah I think it will be a while before K2 is in CMP. I'm cool with that. The point being is that the project overall is progressing very well unlike flutter.
I looked into flutter but it doesn't suit my needs and I prefer to structure of CMP and I don't want to learn a programming language that can only be used with one technology. I've used Java back in the day and it was powerful but painful. Now with Kotlin, it's even more powerful but less pain. Enough to bring me out of retirement ;)
Hey please update your backend course!
In my own experience flutter for mobile development is better than react native. In RN sometimes I had bugs and no straight answer on why and how (ofc the complexity of JS adds to the equation)
In flutter most of the times I can find the root cause much faster. For web? I would go for react most of the times
Going back fully to react native... And its new architecture makes it promising...
Will this new architecture be really native like it says it is? Or will continue to embed javascript?
I will die on this hill. No React and it's disgusting mess of hooks
Tbh im leaving flutter as well. But thinking of going native. I hate android anyway..
@@danvilela Well android has a good control over the market. I believe is good to know one cross-platform and one native. and i will choose with jetpack compose making it really easy too. That my believe.
Yeah true. Presently studying jetpack compose from Udemy and its good and easy compared to xml. I will choose react native from cross platform.
If they forked to fill a gap such as games it would make sense otherwise feels like a huge waste of time.
Great move from flock, before google decide to shut it down tomorrow.
Who else is old enough to remember the Flock browser?
I doubt the Flutter team won't be expanded. So it's better to stay and focus on the official one.
A like for your point at 6:00 I think they should just focus on Mobile and Small Devices. Web has alot of great Frameworks and libraries we dont need another new Library or a framework.
I kind of understand the point of web. Flutter is meant to run anywhere where we can render pixels, and dart was originally meant to be transpiled to JS. But they should have more people. We have now 6 platforms (7 if you count Fuchsia), so the team seems a little small.
@@viniciusmelquiades Point taken (transpiled to JavaScript) But when Flutter change to web is making everything JavaScript, which is really unnecessary, Web and its browsers now very capable, Developers should update there Knowledge about HTML and CSS. The rules i follow when i build a web App or any website, i do everything possible when html and css only then i start plug in javascript for somethings. all apps i have built, Fast, stable, and reflects customer requirements. Rule of thumb always build your web app using pure HTML and CSS then plug JavaScript to it (Client Side).
Should I buy his Course in 2024 ?? or look for newer Courses ???
Which one,, Flutter x React Native ?
What happened to Flutter made me really hate Google
While nothing is certain, Flutter's current trajectory suggests Google's continued support.
Worst-case scenario:
If Google were to "kill" Flutter, the community would likely:
1. Fork the project. >> Flutter isn't going to die...... it will live just like linux, so flock is right........and we must add to that..
2. Continue development.
3. Ensure compatibility.
Flutter's open-source nature guarantees its survival.
1 month later... Let's see how active that fork is... Well, it's not.
And what is the point in general? What is born to be in the Google graveyard will b - Wait, wait, probably Flutter devs are not ready for it.
This could be something like React and Preact though..
So now our options are... Net maui and kotlin multiplatform.
U can record flutter advance topic Udemy
I just heard ( from the text ), mee, the fluter team dosen't accept my contribution nor wants me in their team, I will try to make my own copy, and you will see I will do it better, mee....
ah, thats why flutter update seems slowing down. Back to native kotlin i guess 😒google just ruined flutter
recruiters next month: womp womp, nothing we can do budd, we only have 10yr experience flock devs
Bs. Cuz number one is that flutter is open-source, and thus u have the free fork out of the box, we have felt too not exactly solves the same issues but idk if it's even worth it. Nobody will switch NGL, and anyone can fork that project idk what's the big deal on that. And people use flutter to build apps for all platforms, web isn't that accepted right now, but can change in future and no way a team of two flock devs can change that. Mark my words. Flutter is great. Getx is great. Clean architecture is upto the devs, keeping stuff modular and performant
Just hope that Google doesn't kill Golang (although Go is os)
no, already Golang being used in big products, like docker and Kubernetes, so no kill
Nah that one already too big to kill lol
Go as dart or flutter are products of Google that have passed average life expectancy of Google's dead products, so you can relax, it will not happen.
Flutter keeps fluttering, time for it to settle down
Nooooo, why?
We don't need to spread our concentration... It will only lead to more confusion, between developers and between customers.
Max, do you have another channel?
its already done by flet years ago
Flock will not succeed! It will be a mess. Mark my comment for the years coming!
Yeah, i never liked it since the beginning
Good luck to Flock
From a years ago, the flutter pathetic state is began, though.
Become stagnant and not google priority anymore, very sad :(
Devs, be mindful, be open minded, know and understand about whats going on under the hood with flutter.
Can I fork flutter too ?
Everyone can fork it, it's bsd3
@@m4toro based?
Hey ,
Are you planning for any rust tutorial
Or do you've already?
I'm trying to learn rust ,
I'll love to learn from you ❤
Floc means pubic hair (singular) in Romanian...
😂😂
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i guess they don´t know that flutter have a github repo
In the last 25 years all projects I saw named Flock failed fast.
Flutter should only focus on. Android and web. Simple.
As someone who has taken a number of your courses via Udemy my only complaint with you is your failure to commit to teaching one simple way. Now this is with only beginners. You choose to teach multiple ways of doing an action instead of teaching one single way for a beginner to grasp so they can move forward. Now for those who can't understand what I'm referring to you this is none of your concern. This is one of the reasons why PHP has a bad rep because there are so many of ways of doing the same thing. Say what you want but I'm not alone in this reaction.
Another angularjs moment
😂 Flutter devs now can’t only solve basic os integrations like screen readers but also where to source their library from 😂
It’s just comical to see engineers spending any time on a side project from a hand full of Google engineers. Ya know, the company with the largest tech grave yard
Looks like the beginning of the end. Google played enough, realized that they will never beat React Native on this battlefield and just left Flutter to die
They were already ahead of React Native
@@GreatTaiwan No they weren't
@@GreatTaiwan Only in your dreams
react native is an abomination. Only serious competition for mobile cross-platform is between Flutter and KMP. Even though Flutter is released a lot later than react native with a language no one knew, it still surpassed react native, if that does not tell you how shitty RN is nothing will (jk, actually using it will also do it xd)
Bla bla bla))), while Flutter and Kmp compete with each other, who will die first, React Native was and will be the king of cross-platform development
are they backed by google too ? the flock team.
Of course not, "flock team" will and already just merge flutter's master into flock's one.
Here we go again. Google is doing its thing
Definitely have my reservations ... and i don't recommend that ... Instead contribute to main project and Google should increase flutter team to at least 1000 people
nah this is pointless, flutter seems to be good enough as it is, id rather saying the fork will be the source of more confusions and segmentations than the current issues. Flutter feels bloody amazing in both dektstop and mobile. People just forking everything right and left nowadays. Even rust got forked at one point and now the fork's last commit to the main branch was 3 months ago. Better let google handle stuff instead of letting random people on the net do it. At least google can take responsibility. Who knows when these people might ghost the project.
Greetings from paraguay, I found very valuable your analysis on this case, they seem to want to cover too many areas and in software development that is an excess of complexity, which leads to problems like shortage of resources needed to meet all the functionalities , they are already facing this consequence
Project management becomes more costly and complex, and with that comes an inferior product that covers more areas (thet want to), but with low quality that no group likes.
Guys still programming android in Java must be laughing at flutter community.
this idea feels really childish to say the least, but who am I? time will tell
I glad I left Flutter after 1 year. Now I stick with React and it's beautiful.
so using react native?
Hard to believe. I see so many people complaining about RN DX
can't flutter sue flock?
I just moved from flutter because no matter what you do, framework doesnt support you :D
you have to install ton of third party packages like riverpod etc but they all sucks
Same here.. after years believing in flutter and selling the idea.. is just stuck. Seems the same since 2018. I dont like the libs
You don’t have to.
InheritedWidget and ChangeNotifier or ValueNotifier are all that you need.
argument is childish. It will only divide and confuse.