Reacting to PFF's Green Bay Packers Offseason Grade
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Aaron gives his thought's on the offseason grades given to the Packers by Pro Football Focus.
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The Packers are always “solid”. Draft and develop is rarely spectacular until guys become spectacular. They made 2 splash moves in free agency and then filled holes in the draft.
I would disagree that under gute we only end up with solid guys. Love, Gary,jaire Zach Tom Elton hell u can even throw Watson in there. Esp if he stayed healthy. All are way above solid. They 100% fill holes for sure but I think under gute the "just solid" guys is false. I also think gute doesn't get enough credit for his f/a signings.
Love your content Nags keep up the good work!!! I’d listen to you whether it’s a 2 minute video or a 2 hour one just listening off all your favorite packers players past and present
Hey, Aaron! Probably a bigger splash in the first round gets an A. Just to differentiate the lucky teams that picked top 15 with A's. I give us an A for getting what we needed most!
It would be interesting to go back 10 years and compare these "graders" to actually what these players end up doing? The pundits need to be graded!!
Nags, your content is always great. Another good one just like the recent Packer draft. Go Pack Go!
Having listened to a few other national reporters’ thoughts, I’m assuming adding/taking a CB high in the draft would’ve moved it into A territory. An example, Bill Barnwell said it’s concerning the Packers are basically asking Eric Stokes to be healthy and a CB2 this upcoming season (never minding the fact that Valentine is the presumptive CB2, but national media gonna national media)
National media also said Jordan Love was a terrible pick. The hivemind should be taken with a grain or salt at all times.
Old style traditionalist Packer fan here, I think it's absolutely ridiculous grading a draft this early, you just can't say who's a miss or a home run right now. Most of these guys ranking draft picks are the ones who had several of their own mock draft picks & if the Packers didn't pick anybody that they picked, they are automatically pissed & downgrade the Packers actual draft. I say @ the very earliest, grade this draft @ the end of the season but still would go another full year before I stuck my neck out.
Grading the draft is just what it is...content . The grades mean absolutely nothing lol. Look at the jlove grade...99% of ppl gave it a d or f. Its just for content sake since there isn't much else to talk about.
It's more about grading the process than giving the final grade. You can't grade for results since that won't happen until year 4, but you certainly can evaluate the process.
Gutes has exhibited a knack for finding players with intangibles that possibly can't be computed via PFF.
Im convinced PFF doesnt actually do any computing.
Grades are hilarious. I do like what the packers did this off-season overall, but it doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t lead to results.
Grades often do not reflect where a team drafts. The Bears had 4 picks. They got Caleb (pick 1), Odunze (pick 9), Amegadje (75) and punter Tory Taylor in round 4. Many pundits gave them an A for that, but it is hard to go wrong when you have two of the top 9 picks including first overall, and withthe benefit of them having a very high grade but no opportunity (yet) to justify or lament on the players. I would have downgraded them a bit for having so few picks (ie roster management could have been better)............and again for their acquisition of a punter in round 4. The Packers managed things better (more picks) and got quality players where they needed them. Overall I'd rate them above the Bears, draft-wise, taking into account where they both picked.
Good post, Aaron. I'm a big fan of PFF, but no one gets it right all the time. Contrast their board with what teams thought of players. Our GM stated you can't fixate on players, which is what we draftniks do all the time! lol Just the first 4 picks puts the team in the "A" category for the draft, if you ask me, and add Xavier McKinney and Josh Jacobs to the mix, I feel the offseason grade is also an A. Let's not forget we have a new defensive coordinator who is generating a lot of excitement, too. Maybe my glasses are green, but I'm very pleased with what the Packers have done so far this off-season .
i think it was "solid" because everyone was expecting the Packers to pick DeJean or Kool-Aid in the draft... myself included. But honestly, it really could be another great draft class like last year.
I think the PFF guys are fair and thorough
Most of the national draft pundits like "value picks" in relation to the consensus's draft big board. It appears that they don't like the selections of TyRon Hopper and Evan Williams, believing that they were both "reaches" taken a round or two too soon. It will be interesting to see who has the better "crystal ball" looking into the future, the national draft pundits or the Packers. The smart money is on the Packers. Go Pack Go!
Meanwhile the Lions have five players under 25 years of age and the top 25 and no one else in the NFC North is on there yet.. that's wild in itself..
Good question what more did they want us to do?
Sign other free agents and draft better according to PFF grades and consensus. People act like this is confusing
I give the team B plus. I would have liked to see more work at the linebacker position. Maybe a veteran but overall i'm happy with the off season
An A? Usually its about the glitz and glamour.. Had the Packers drafted a skill position, like a WR, or CB, it would have garnered an A. O-line isn't a glamorous job. Had the Packers signed some big name free agent, that'd've gotten them an A. But there isn't a Reggie White every year.
Which North Division stadium has the best food item? And, what is it?
Honestly i couldn't give a flying turd what ppf have my team down as, i really couldn't. September the Packers will flex again and show what they've got.
An A rating would’ve been given for doing more in FA and drafting closer to consensus. From a popular national media standpoint, they did indeed get McKinney, awesome move, but they washed more or less at RB, slight overpay for Nixon, and according to consensus in the draft took some missteps. That’s why it’s a B from that standpoint whether in reality it’s an A or an F.
This imaginary idea of consensus is wild. You don't know what consensus is. Teams themselves don't have consensus. Multiple scouts on the same team will look at a player and oftentimes come up with very different grades/rounds for a player. Ultimately, you have no idea where a guy would have gone. You are relying on random internet mock drafts by non NFL team people. But we do the same stuff every year. "So and so team drafted someone in the 7th who had a 3rd round grade, what a steal." Or "they could have got that guy two rounds later.
In real life, the first guy is a 7th rounder and the 3rd round mock drafts were full of crap. 32 NFL teams told you he was a 7th rounder. Not mel from ESPN. That's consensus. And the second guy is a 1st rounder, not a 3rd. You have no clue where he would have went so there is no consensus. Finally, this imaginary consensus means nothing. Russell Wilson was a reach in the 3rd round according to consensus. "Consensus" first round picks bust all the time and "consensus" late round guys go on to be pro bowlers and hall of famers. Consensus is full of crap in talent evaluation.
@@brandenjoseph604 consensus is the consensus board. We know what it is and this is what many people react to and base their opinions off of. I’m not saying it’s right, only that it’s what people do and that it influences all the grades and reactions to grades that gets people going on this type of content. And for what it’s worth consensus doesn’t have too bad of a track record.
Good move doing stuff like this atleast with reacting to legit people can’t talk for everyone but I’m into it
A- ; few National Voices consider the longer term.
B - above average , seems a bit low to me to , I’d say A- I agree we’d of had to move up and grab a bigger Name than Morgan
You only like PFF when they say something nice about Jordan Love.
Aaron - I would say B+ / A-
B+. But I think it'll be graded higher in a year or two, like the latest of Gutes drafts.
Nags - what the Packers could have done to earn an A grade is the reason that everyone is rating the Steelers as having the best draft. The Steelers took Butkus Award winning linebacker Payton Wilson at #99 when the Packers passed on him at #91 for Tyron Hopper. Hopper seems like a likeable young man who will work hard and I want him to succeed, but it is very frustrating when Gutekunst gives a 10 minute speech about how ACL injuries are not a big deal anymore, but we pass on the Butkus Award winner when linebacker was our biggest need because of some ACL concern. Now you know why we got a B.
I think missing an entire ACL is more than “some concern”, no?
@@michaelm.9165 Didn't seem to bother him while he was winning the Butkus Award. Didn't seem to bother the medical staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have been universally praised as having the best draft in the NFL. So the answer to your question, No? is an emphatic NO. Nags asked for someone to tell him why the Packers have generally received a B grade on their draft. That request has been handled. Next question.
Teams that get As are teams that sign/trade for high-dollar vets. Imma a NO on that.
The Lions got an A+ offseason grade without making any huge, splash FA signings.
That take was luke warm. Room temperature even. 😂
They gave us a B because we didn't draft Cooper Dejan 😂😂😂😂GO-PACK-GO OH WELL
Grades are a joke..
Now I shall react to the reactions of Cheesehead TV’s reactions from PFF actions of the Packers off season. “It was acceptable.”
I watched the nerd shiz.
How much protection money is Nags paying the Columbo Crime Family as the represent Astoria, Queens.
Speaking of protection, i would've given them an A for drafting a real OT in Tyler Guyton not the offensive guard they drafted.
Real OT are found in their footwork. How is Guyton's footwork?
@@leehemmersbach8018 The average arm length of starting LT in the NFL is 34.5 inches. Guyton 34.25 inch. Packers 1st round draft pick 32.5 inches. The average arm length for guards in the NFL is 33 inches. At best he will be a guard.
@@davidwagner9644you do realize there’s also a high probability he’s a tackle? He played left tackle. He was drafted at tackle. Coaches called him a tackle. Bill belicheck called him a tackle. Morgan said he’d be a tackle. He opened mini camp at tackle. Just maybe just maybe he’s a tackle lol
@@Matt-yq3gq Bill Belicheck thought Mac Jones was a franchise QB as well.
People can say what they want but the data does not lie, stubby little arms are not for LT. They get beat by edge rushers. That said, the packers do have a history of trying to insert square pegs in round holes.
@@davidwagner9644 and guys like Joe Thomas and Bryan buluga had short arms too. Morgan’s going to be given an opportunity to play tackle unless he can’t beat out the competition or is indeed better suited to play inside. The fact he’s opened up at tackle and everyone including himself the coaches and prominent figures in the nfl call him a tackle is noteworthy for the short arm crowd that think he’s automatically a guard.
Is that Sam Monson from pff? I personally can't stand those "adjust your tie" folks like him. Has that nerd ever played a down of football in his life? Everytime I see him making an appearance on the Pack A Day Podcast, I'm faster than grease lightening to hit the skip button(as much as I love Andy.) Pff-Not my cup of tee.
PFF is a brand name with a crap product, no more, no less. And Sam is a Vikings fan and always dogs the Packers so just never take them serious.
Wtf are you talking about they use to have Rodgers, J. Alexander, Linsley, D. Adams, and Baktiari rated Top 2 in their position. It's a grading system from countless Hrs of Tape, advanced metrics, and sports analytics. It's a way to rank without bias using data. They wouldnt became what they are today without a great product.
@@ian1753 😂😂😂😂😂 PFF is a trash product that alot of people discredit. Wow you’re dumb.
I have never liked Sam. He is arrogant. I just don't like his personality.
I'll be kind and say Sam is a bonehead at best, steve tho, could listen to him for hours
Idk why but Steve feels the need to just assume everything some teams do is mid. Dude said if GB got free agents it would be an A..well they got 2. Then says unspectacular 😂