What I love about Bad Santa 1 is that even though it's crass as hell, it still ultimately is a christmas story with positive themes like bonding and changing for the better. It's like an R-rated version of the Grinch. Bad Santa 2 just doesn't have that same feel.
@MOONLIGHT LOVE 🌙💓 Willie had grown an immense deal by the end of the movie. He got out of his depressive funk, learned to care for others and make important sacrifices. Bad Santa 2 seems to shit over his character development completely only for the sake of pumping out a useless sequel (And how dare you break up his marriage to Sue 😠), which makes me certain I would only waste my time if I checked it out.
@@ILsocker Still not as bad as Paul Blart Mall Cop 2, where the main love interest ends up divorcing Paul like 5 days after the last movie ended and then to top it all off they brutally kill his elderly mother for no reason at all. I know the first movie is a bit of a meme these days, and is no masterpiece, but it's still a pretty wholesome family comedy and serves as a type of parody to Die Hard. The second one felt (ironically) like an Adam Sandler Netflix special that goes out of its way to shit on the development and good aspects of the original.
And they almost never manage to deliver on that. Feels like a guest lie after a while because they at best seem to go the route of just repeating things without even caring about why the original was liked/loved.
Well, the real question is whether he meant it, or he knew the movie was crap and was trying to spin it as "for the fans." 'Coz damn, he looked just as bored in those interviews as in the movie.
Not every movie has to be the bestest ever. I enjoyed this one, though it wasn’t great. Most movies really aren’t. Sometimes a decent ride with a cast you’ve enjoyed is enough. But most sequels just rehash. Even terminator 2, widely regarded as great, retells terminator 1.
@@Bhamloud47 There is a reason why so many comedy sequels tend to flub compared to most other types. Even with the generosity of the subjective nature of comedy, it's a lot harder to get the energy again from something like that via taking the wrong lessons from the first film or just feeling aimlessly made just to exist because it had name value. It's a time honored tradition of those. It's why "Gremlins 2" is such an anomaly because it understood there is nothing they can do to replicate the magic of the first, so they just went all out on the comedy of various types, from meta to callbacks to just putting forth ideas for the hell of it. And yes, you are right that nothing needs to be "the bestest ever" but it is at least feasible to feel like the people generally working on the film want to do it. A film is only as likable as the effort on screen, and comparing the effort of T2 to this....
I remember seeing commercials for this back in 2016 and somehow got it in my head that it was called Badder Santa. I would ask my friends if they were going to go see Badder Santa and always give a super confused look. It was until a year or two later that I learned that Badder Santa was the extended unrated cut of the first film.
The fact the punchline is not that you got the title confused but that they actually called "Badder Santa" to the unrated cut surprised me. I'll have to search-engine that, it just sounds made up as a joke that they'd call the cut THAT,
LOL... You're not the only one that thought "Badder Santa" was a sequel. When it first came out, I either bought it, or rented it and was disappointed when I found out what it was.
I'm new to this "bad santa" franchise and badder Santa does sound like a sequel that came a few years after the first one. Also there's a regular cut, an unrated cut and a directors cut of the first bad santa too
Just a little addition: Angry Beavers was not your typical cartoon. It was very satirical and self-aware kind of like an Animaniacs. So, it was made for kids but especially for adults.
Angry Beavers is horrifically underrated as a Nicktoon. It lives in the shadow of bigger hits like Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life, and came out at a time when Nick was REALLY pushing Rugrats. There's that odd level of sibling rivalry with siblings that do love each other and two young Beavers trying to be more adult than they were. The show was absolutely insane, but had a purpose.
@@KairuHakubi The chemistry Nick and Richard had was absolute perfection. I'm guessing if they barely stayed on script. Really wish they'd work together again on something. The show is wild and wacky and would have been fine on its own, but you believed those two were brothers from those performances. And Nick's over-pronunciation of words will never not be funny.
The first movie there’s a scene where Bernie Mac and John Ritter have a scene together and it makes me miss both immensely every time I watch them. Both actors always have such heart in their performances.
ritter died? aw man he was fun. wait, he died in 2003? But i swear I kept seeing him in stuff. When the hell was Slingblade? and I definitely remember him being in a simpsons episode in like, season 18 or 19...
Bad Santa is one of my all time favourite Christmas movies. Yeah, it’s dark, it’s gross, but it’s got a certain warmth to it. The scenes with Thurman, give it a real sense of Christmas. It’s a film that NEVER needed a sequel.
There is one scene that almost replicates the same magic that was the first film. When Willie is watching Thurman sing and how he feels knowing what he is about to pull and the tension before the lights go off. To me, that nailed it.
I’ve watched the first “Bad Santa” many times. It still cracks me up. I watched the second one once and I don’t think I laughed even one time. ‘Nuff said.
I watched Bad Santa 2 for the 2nd time over the summer and my first time was back in 2016 on opening night. It was better the 2nd time around and still one of the better comedy sequels as long as you don't compare to the first.
The first Bad Santa was kinda like the American Pie movies (the actual movies, not those awful direct to dvd spin-offs), in that, yes they were crass, vulgar and crude…but they had a heart. That’s what Bad Santa 2 was missing…the heart.
Bob Thornton was pushing to revisit this role because when you're one of the biggest dickheads in Hollywood, there's an ever-shrinking number of people who want to work with you and an ever-growing number of people who will celebrate you crashing and burning. So it's inevitable he reaches the "cashing-in-on-old-successes" phase of celebrity sooner than others, when nobody wants to help him or be seen helping him. This wasn't a passion project, it was an act of desperation from an actor with nothing left to offer.
@@Kyle_Riel And there's waaaaaay more stories than just that one interview. Directors regularly swapped tales of Thornton's assholery on set and off. Nobody wants to work with him twice. Zwigoff from Bad Santa one wouldn't come back - he said Thornton would be huffing meth between takes.
I love the original bad Santa bc it’s crass, dark, and pessimistic at times but it works well. Bad Santa 2 lost so much of the magic and is just an unpleasant movie
Poor Christina Hendricks has to have one of the worst agents in Hollywood. I can't even imagine the whiplash if you watched her in an episode of Mad Men as Joan where she gives a deeply nuanced performance as a strong, yet compromised woman in a male dominated space and then immediately saw her in this or Pottersville where she's basically a movie long joke about furries (and man is that film ideal for Forgotten Failures).
"On Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 0% based on six reviews, with an average rating of 2.3/10." Wow. I had never heard of the movie and... Now I understand why.
Pottersville is a bad movie, but it's too boring to be covered. Honestly the biggest WTF of it is why is insanely talented Michael Shannon producing/starring in it?
I recently listened an interview with the director of the original _Bad Santa_ on Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast. He said Billy Bob Thorton was a really big jerk and made everyone else miserable, so that is likely why the original director didn't come back. He did say that Thorton was helpful in supporting his desired casting for the kid and the dwarf when the studio wanted to hire other people, such as a cute "Disney kid" for the kid in the movie. Also, the Weinstein brothers edited the movie in a way he did not approve of. While the director technically had "final cut", he could not afford to pay for the legal process to actually enforce this.
I can’t look at Thurman without crying a little bit. He reminds me of my grandson… even though my grandson is over 30 years old lol. He is a wonderful little actor! ❤
I just watched Bad Santa 2 again for the first time in years. And I have gained a new appreciation for it. I think it will eventually find an audience. It will never be as popular as Bad Santa 1. But it isn’t nearly as bad as I remembered it, either. 🤷♂️
At first I was like "They already made a sequel to Bad Santa, it was called Badder Santa" but I looked it up and sure enough; Staring me square in the face was Bad Santa 2.
Nice way to leave us wanting more at the very end there. I've been curious about that movie, but not enough to actually watch it (Jingle All the Way 2). I'd love to hear you talk about it
The first problem is they have Sunny as his mom, not his older sister, which would be more believable considering their age gap between Bates and Thorton (only 7 years). I would have liked the idea where Willie no longer does cons (it's later revealed a financially successful Thurman provides financial support) but only does the heist to get money for his sick sister (as he is too prideful to ask Thurman for money). Marcus could have done the transitionary role as a cameo who brings Willie to Sunny. Only for Sunny to betray Willie in the end. Thurman's role should have also been a cameo who shows up at the end, maybe to bail Willie out when all is said and done. Still with a bit of naivety but a little more world weary. He sees himself though more as a "good santa", even to give a bunch of money to Sunny for her sickness (its later revealed she cons him). For good comedy you could even have Thurman be super into older women and have him sleep with Sunny because he really wants to "bang Santa's wife".
So true. Was so hyped for the second movie. Have watched the first one countless times over the last 2 decades. Have seen the sequel once... Great video.
One thing the movie really got wrong was Marcus and Therman In the original Marcus is the competent partner who has all the plans laid out who'd probably succeed if it weren't for Willie and also has a stable romantic relationship (with admittedly someone whose just as awful a person as he). In the sequel he's almost as much of a loser as Willie just in different ways and it seems less like he's being punished for being, y'know, an awful person who literally murdered someone and almost succeeded at murdering someone else and more just for...being short. In the original Therman is a quiet, withdrawn kid who only really lights up whenever talking to Willie and/or Santa. In the sequel he's an overly giddy person who is somehow now trying to make friends with everyone he meets. Like how the hell could you mess up two of the main characters?
I enjoy both films. I watch them back-to-back every year. I wasn't expecting cinematic masterpieces with either one. Just raunchy laughs and that's what I get.
Won’t lie, my buddies and I LOVED both Bad Santa 1 & 2. We were dying laughing at the second one and felt it still had heart. Not nearly as good as the 1st but still entertaining.
Bates and Thornton do look the same age, which makes sense: they were 68 and 61 respectively when the film was released. Why couldn't she be his sister?
They were originally considering bringing Willie's dad into the film, but it was changed to his mother because they thought it would be funnier. Writer Shauna Cross explained "I think that while there's something funny about an absentee father, the terrible father figure is played out. You're screwed if you have a bad dad, but you're extra screwed if you have a mother who is that terrible. It almost seemed to thematically show the origins and set the tone of what the original film was about".
I think a good sequel would have been if Thurman grows up to crook like his dad and it's up to Willie to bring him back around. But this requires Willie to do some soul searching and reconciling of his own. That would be a pretty good movie.
One of my favorite parts of the first was when Willy was trying to rest and the kid kept insisting on bringing him food to the bed and Willy, about to pass out drunk with his head back and almost not moving his mouth says "Jesus what is it with you making fucking sandwiches" 🤣
I'd still love to see you cover "The Radioland Murders" someday. It's kind of in-between a Forgotten Failure or an Almost Cult Classic, mostly depending on whether its frantic vibe clicks with the viewer. Plus it comes from such a weird place in George Lucas's career.
I actually really like that movie. I suggested it to Joe once on Twitter, and he admitted he thought about covering it. Plus it's the onscreen debut of George Lowe -- voice of Space Ghost -- and I forgot to ask him about it when I met him.
One of the reason I hope Violent Night does not get a sequel. I am sure Violent Night will also become a cult hit but if they ever do a sequel I think this is the same thing that is going to happen.
You know what, i'm going to say it. I like bad santa 2. It may not be as good as the first one, but it definitely had multiple moments that had me in stitches of laughter!
This was such a failure that I both forgot it existed until this video and I haven't watched the original since this one came out, though it used to be on my annual list!
0:00-0:26 Billy sounds like a flunking Philosophy major who didn’t prepare a presentation in time so he’s now completely improvising a speech about the meaning of life
Never even knew they made a part 2. I feel like with nostalgia sequels coming out 20 years later all the time these days, maybe a Bad Santa 2 this year would’ve had a better reception.
I saw Bad Santa in the theater with my friends when we were in high school. We were finally old enough to get into R rated movies ourselves without needing one of our parents to buy the tickets. It was kind of a sleeper hit in theaters. We went into it completely unaware of what it was and were blown away by how funny and crash it was. We were quoting it for the next couple years. I think it really exploded in popularity on DVD.
Thurman Merman: I'm 21, officially a man. Willie: You're 21 already? That's creepy. Thurman Merman: Are you still gonna pop my cherry? Willie: What? Fuck, no! I said I'd get it done, by somebody else. 😂😂😂 I loved 1 and like 2. …
And to think WatchMojo said the original Bad Santa had "aged poorly" because it had raunchy jokes...Well that's the point of an ADULT COMEDY called "BAD SANTA" starring a character that's a miserable Scrooge...
The first one I saw with my grandmother, my late uncle, my aunt, and cousin on New Year's Day second one comes out I'm 30 years old saw it on streaming I purchased both unrated versions this last Christmas for very cheap on digital.
I couldn't believe it when you said this only released six years ago, which made it even more shocking to realize I think I saw this but have held almost no memory of it. I remember just clearly enough the opening scene and their scheme of stealing from the charity with Christina Hendricks's character.
This movie doesn't even exist as far as my family is concerned. We'll forever say "I don't want any _______... what is it with you and ______?" though.
I woulda done Bad Santa 2 as the kid grown up but is a bully himself, and it takes 'Santa' who has some how softened up but still rough around the edges (He'd only be a jerk to bullies for example) to help Herman be a nicer person, and also regret teaching Herman to be like him.
Is there a consensus “best cut” of the first Bad Santa? I remember there being…three?…different versions, but there isn’t a physical or digital release that has all of them.
A better plot would have been to make Thurman a Department Store Manager, who tracks Willie and Marcus down to help him bring Christmas to his store.. ...but then Willie's Mom shows up and tries to convince Willie to plan a heist on the store. Willie would be conflicted between the surrogate son who always supported him, or his estranged mother who never did.
In London there were ads for this on buses that said "come take a ride on Santa". I still have no idea what the play on words there was supposed to be.
I Hope i'm not the only one who hearing about this movie first time in life... 32 yr old life .that interview is hilariously funny and sad... merry xmas to all . YAY.
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Him talking about the ice cream and fudge was legit threatening
Billy Bob Thornton saying anything in a low, slow manner is threatening lmao
French Fry 🍟 pataters…mmmm…
@@williamg231 his most threatening preformance
Bahahaha!!! Yep!
Lorne Malvo moment
What I love about Bad Santa 1 is that even though it's crass as hell, it still ultimately is a christmas story with positive themes like bonding and changing for the better. It's like an R-rated version of the Grinch. Bad Santa 2 just doesn't have that same feel.
Bonding? James Bonding
@MOONLIGHT LOVE 🌙💓 Willie had grown an immense deal by the end of the movie. He got out of his depressive funk, learned to care for others and make important sacrifices. Bad Santa 2 seems to shit over his character development completely only for the sake of pumping out a useless sequel (And how dare you break up his marriage to Sue 😠), which makes me certain I would only waste my time if I checked it out.
@@AlkisenSuper Wouldn't be surprised they couldn't get Lauren Graham back for even a cameo, so they lazily explained her absence right away.
Don't they actually read the Grinch in the movie?
@@ILsocker Still not as bad as Paul Blart Mall Cop 2, where the main love interest ends up divorcing Paul like 5 days after the last movie ended and then to top it all off they brutally kill his elderly mother for no reason at all.
I know the first movie is a bit of a meme these days, and is no masterpiece, but it's still a pretty wholesome family comedy and serves as a type of parody to Die Hard. The second one felt (ironically) like an Adam Sandler Netflix special that goes out of its way to shit on the development and good aspects of the original.
5:28 "All I care about is the people who loved the first movie" is a motto taken by too many screenwriters who write comedy sequels.
And they almost never manage to deliver on that. Feels like a guest lie after a while because they at best seem to go the route of just repeating things without even caring about why the original was liked/loved.
Well, the real question is whether he meant it, or he knew the movie was crap and was trying to spin it as "for the fans." 'Coz damn, he looked just as bored in those interviews as in the movie.
well the opposite sure doesn't work, which is what most... _businesses_ seem to do now. screw the existing customers, do whatever the opposite is.
Not every movie has to be the bestest ever. I enjoyed this one, though it wasn’t great. Most movies really aren’t. Sometimes a decent ride with a cast you’ve enjoyed is enough.
But most sequels just rehash. Even terminator 2, widely regarded as great, retells terminator 1.
@@Bhamloud47 There is a reason why so many comedy sequels tend to flub compared to most other types. Even with the generosity of the subjective nature of comedy, it's a lot harder to get the energy again from something like that via taking the wrong lessons from the first film or just feeling aimlessly made just to exist because it had name value. It's a time honored tradition of those. It's why "Gremlins 2" is such an anomaly because it understood there is nothing they can do to replicate the magic of the first, so they just went all out on the comedy of various types, from meta to callbacks to just putting forth ideas for the hell of it. And yes, you are right that nothing needs to be "the bestest ever" but it is at least feasible to feel like the people generally working on the film want to do it. A film is only as likable as the effort on screen, and comparing the effort of T2 to this....
The red border on the thumbnail tricked me into thinking I had watched this already for a sec.
yeah its such a bad production choice if one wants views lol
I remember seeing commercials for this back in 2016 and somehow got it in my head that it was called Badder Santa. I would ask my friends if they were going to go see Badder Santa and always give a super confused look. It was until a year or two later that I learned that Badder Santa was the extended unrated cut of the first film.
The fact the punchline is not that you got the title confused but that they actually called "Badder Santa" to the unrated cut surprised me. I'll have to search-engine that, it just sounds made up as a joke that they'd call the cut THAT,
LOL... You're not the only one that thought "Badder Santa" was a sequel. When it first came out, I either bought it, or rented it and was disappointed when I found out what it was.
I'm new to this "bad santa" franchise and badder Santa does sound like a sequel that came a few years after the first one. Also there's a regular cut, an unrated cut and a directors cut of the first bad santa too
As a kid I rented Bad(der) Santa from Blockbuster and thought it was a sequel but my stepdad just said it was the unrated version
How ofter would you ask? Does your house have tires?
Just a little addition: Angry Beavers was not your typical cartoon. It was very satirical and self-aware kind of like an Animaniacs. So, it was made for kids but especially for adults.
Angry Beavers also features two much better comedy writers who went off to write the great film I Love You, Phillip Morris
Angry Beavers is horrifically underrated as a Nicktoon. It lives in the shadow of bigger hits like Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life, and came out at a time when Nick was REALLY pushing Rugrats. There's that odd level of sibling rivalry with siblings that do love each other and two young Beavers trying to be more adult than they were. The show was absolutely insane, but had a purpose.
@@mightyfilm also the vocal performances. I could listen to those two read _anything_
@@KairuHakubi The chemistry Nick and Richard had was absolute perfection. I'm guessing if they barely stayed on script. Really wish they'd work together again on something. The show is wild and wacky and would have been fine on its own, but you believed those two were brothers from those performances. And Nick's over-pronunciation of words will never not be funny.
@@mightyfilm Seriously, just.. someone. write a cartoon. it can be about anything. then insist on casting those two as the leads.
Bad Santa being 20 years old is.... a reality check for me. Someone bring me my cane.
Imma stick my cane so far up, you'll forget you have arthritis. He-Haw!!!
It will be 20 in 2023
I would, but I'm currently crumbling into dust.
@@MissAshley42 i died, am ghost posting
LOL
Yet another comedy sequel that came out over a decade after the original and nobody ever talks about it, like Zoolander 2.
dumb and dumber to is a guilty pleasure of mine at least, the only case where I think this kind of movie was done right
Bill and Ted 3 does it pretty well, all things considered
Anchorman 2 was completely forgettable too
Or Joe Dirt 2
This is a pretty consistent thing unfortunately
Man Billy Bob is always so damn serious, even when it comes to comedy! Love him or hate him, he's a damn good actor!!
He was brilliant in 'A Simple Plan'.
@@oldhickory4686 yes he was, might be my favorite role of his honestly!
You should watch Slingblade
@@jeremiahhester6408that film’s unfortunately unavailable to streaming and physical releases are long out of print and are damn near expensive
The first movie there’s a scene where Bernie Mac and John Ritter have a scene together and it makes me miss both immensely every time I watch them. Both actors always have such heart in their performances.
Two legends taken too soon
They left such a void the sequel filmmakers had Octavia Spencer reprise her bit role as a then-unknown actor
ritter died? aw man he was fun.
wait, he died in 2003? But i swear I kept seeing him in stuff. When the hell was Slingblade?
and I definitely remember him being in a simpsons episode in like, season 18 or 19...
@@KairuHakubi Sling Blade was 1996. He and Billy Bob were on the show Hearts Afire before that.
@@davidleary4524 wow, 96.. i didnt see or hear about that til WAY later..
Bad Santa is one of my all time favourite Christmas movies. Yeah, it’s dark, it’s gross, but it’s got a certain warmth to it. The scenes with Thurman, give it a real sense of Christmas. It’s a film that NEVER needed a sequel.
There is one scene that almost replicates the same magic that was the first film. When Willie is watching Thurman sing and how he feels knowing what he is about to pull and the tension before the lights go off. To me, that nailed it.
Ye
I’ve watched the first “Bad Santa” many times. It still cracks me up. I watched the second one once and I don’t think I laughed even one time. ‘Nuff said.
I watched Bad Santa 2 for the 2nd time over the summer and my first time was back in 2016 on opening night. It was better the 2nd time around and still one of the better comedy sequels as long as you don't compare to the first.
@@BishopWalters12 so think of it as a sequel in name only?
The thumbnail is a lesson a lot of studios could learn
The first Bad Santa was kinda like the American Pie movies (the actual movies, not those awful direct to dvd spin-offs), in that, yes they were crass, vulgar and crude…but they had a heart. That’s what Bad Santa 2 was missing…the heart.
Exactly 💯💯
Shame since this isn't a bad film at all but just not the same
Except American pie was awful and had the characters commit literal crimes
Bob Thornton was pushing to revisit this role because when you're one of the biggest dickheads in Hollywood, there's an ever-shrinking number of people who want to work with you and an ever-growing number of people who will celebrate you crashing and burning. So it's inevitable he reaches the "cashing-in-on-old-successes" phase of celebrity sooner than others, when nobody wants to help him or be seen helping him. This wasn't a passion project, it was an act of desperation from an actor with nothing left to offer.
Lmao. Dude, wtf are you rambling about?
@@Kyle_Riel And there's waaaaaay more stories than just that one interview. Directors regularly swapped tales of Thornton's assholery on set and off. Nobody wants to work with him twice. Zwigoff from Bad Santa one wouldn't come back - he said Thornton would be huffing meth between takes.
A lot of overly terrible sequels do that when they've run out of good ideas.
@@Kyle_Riel BBT is infamous for being universally hated.
It's too bad because I remember his rise to fame with "Sling Blade" and some quality roles not long after.
I love the original bad Santa bc it’s crass, dark, and pessimistic at times but it works well. Bad Santa 2 lost so much of the magic and is just an unpleasant movie
Wow. I absolutely loved Bad Santa. I didn't know they had a Bad Santa 2. 🤯
Poor Christina Hendricks has to have one of the worst agents in Hollywood.
I can't even imagine the whiplash if you watched her in an episode of Mad Men as Joan where she gives a deeply nuanced performance as a strong, yet compromised woman in a male dominated space and then immediately saw her in this or Pottersville where she's basically a movie long joke about furries (and man is that film ideal for Forgotten Failures).
I heard that Good Girls show was pretty solid, but yeah, poor woman's never made it as a movie star and what a shame.
It's not even a good joke about furries. It's a really lazy one that goes on for way too long.
"On Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 0% based on six reviews, with an average rating of 2.3/10." Wow. I had never heard of the movie and... Now I understand why.
Pottersville is a bad movie, but it's too boring to be covered. Honestly the biggest WTF of it is why is insanely talented Michael Shannon producing/starring in it?
It’s too bad because she’s so stunning…and obviously has legit acting chops…don’t even get me started on her appearance in that awful Strangers sequel
I recently listened an interview with the director of the original _Bad Santa_ on Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast. He said Billy Bob Thorton was a really big jerk and made everyone else miserable, so that is likely why the original director didn't come back. He did say that Thorton was helpful in supporting his desired casting for the kid and the dwarf when the studio wanted to hire other people, such as a cute "Disney kid" for the kid in the movie.
Also, the Weinstein brothers edited the movie in a way he did not approve of. While the director technically had "final cut", he could not afford to pay for the legal process to actually enforce this.
2:57
Bob: "Like if you have a Drama, it has to be over earnest."
Ernest: "Know what I mean?" 🤣🤣🤣
I can’t look at Thurman without crying a little bit. He reminds me of my grandson… even though my grandson is over 30 years old lol. He is a wonderful little actor! ❤
Like I always say, some things just need to end where they end.
Hey good to see you outside of the livestreams!
Who cares what you say.
I just watched Bad Santa 2 again for the first time in years. And I have gained a new appreciation for it. I think it will eventually find an audience. It will never be as popular as Bad Santa 1. But it isn’t nearly as bad as I remembered it, either. 🤷♂️
Billy Bob seems absolutely insufferable. I went down the interview rabbit hole recently. Lots of costars hating on him too.
Most actors are insufferable; some are just better at hiding it. The profession attracts narcissists.
I'm glad it was made.....💯....And that's my opinion..... Loved....BAD SANTA..... CLASSIC.....😎🥃🔥
At first I was like "They already made a sequel to Bad Santa, it was called Badder Santa" but I looked it up and sure enough; Staring me square in the face was Bad Santa 2.
They did the same with Dumb and Dumber too.
Shocked it wasn't called "Worse Santa"
Perfect timing since I had been binge watching your vids this morning.
The original Bad Lieutenant is still the best.
Hell yeah Harvey Keitel is amazing
It is, but the Nic Cage sequel is amazing in its own right
Jingle all the Way 2 makes Bad Santa 2 look like it’s a wonderful life.
Nice way to leave us wanting more at the very end there. I've been curious about that movie, but not enough to actually watch it (Jingle All the Way 2). I'd love to hear you talk about it
Instead of Bad Santa 2 watch the first season of Fargo Billy bob is legitimately threatening and very funny too
The first problem is they have Sunny as his mom, not his older sister, which would be more believable considering their age gap between Bates and Thorton (only 7 years). I would have liked the idea where Willie no longer does cons (it's later revealed a financially successful Thurman provides financial support) but only does the heist to get money for his sick sister (as he is too prideful to ask Thurman for money).
Marcus could have done the transitionary role as a cameo who brings Willie to Sunny. Only for Sunny to betray Willie in the end. Thurman's role should have also been a cameo who shows up at the end, maybe to bail Willie out when all is said and done. Still with a bit of naivety but a little more world weary. He sees himself though more as a "good santa", even to give a bunch of money to Sunny for her sickness (its later revealed she cons him).
For good comedy you could even have Thurman be super into older women and have him sleep with Sunny because he really wants to "bang Santa's wife".
That’s pretty good
in the movie he was born when she was 13 :D
So true. Was so hyped for the second movie. Have watched the first one countless times over the last 2 decades. Have seen the sequel once... Great video.
It still gets me every time when in the first one where the kid asks how can he be dropped on his own head.
Finally! My favorite RUclipsr is back!!! Dang I wish you made more videos my dude!!
Not only did I forget this existed, but I forgot about it a week after I saw it in theaters
Quick note on the red border. Almost didn’t watch this cause I thought I already had since the border is the same color as the watch time bar
One thing the movie really got wrong was Marcus and Therman
In the original Marcus is the competent partner who has all the plans laid out who'd probably succeed if it weren't for Willie and also has a stable romantic relationship (with admittedly someone whose just as awful a person as he). In the sequel he's almost as much of a loser as Willie just in different ways and it seems less like he's being punished for being, y'know, an awful person who literally murdered someone and almost succeeded at murdering someone else and more just for...being short.
In the original Therman is a quiet, withdrawn kid who only really lights up whenever talking to Willie and/or Santa. In the sequel he's an overly giddy person who is somehow now trying to make friends with everyone he meets.
Like how the hell could you mess up two of the main characters?
I enjoy both films. I watch them back-to-back every year. I wasn't expecting cinematic masterpieces with either one. Just raunchy laughs and that's what I get.
Won’t lie, my buddies and I LOVED both Bad Santa 1 & 2. We were dying laughing at the second one and felt it still had heart. Not nearly as good as the 1st but still entertaining.
Damn, I really did forget about this
Great to finally see another "forgotten failures" video. And one that's holiday themed no less!
Bates and Thornton do look the same age, which makes sense: they were 68 and 61 respectively when the film was released. Why couldn't she be his sister?
Same. I thought she was way too young to be the mother to Thornton‘s character.
They were originally considering bringing Willie's dad into the film, but it was changed to his mother because they thought it would be funnier. Writer Shauna Cross explained "I think that while there's something funny about an absentee father, the terrible father figure is played out. You're screwed if you have a bad dad, but you're extra screwed if you have a mother who is that terrible. It almost seemed to thematically show the origins and set the tone of what the original film was about".
I think a good sequel would have been if Thurman grows up to crook like his dad and it's up to Willie to bring him back around. But this requires Willie to do some soul searching and reconciling of his own. That would be a pretty good movie.
I saw this in theaters when it came out, and honestly I completely forgot about this whole movie. I forgot that Kathy Bates was even in this thing.
One of my favorite parts of the first was when Willy was trying to rest and the kid kept insisting on bringing him food to the bed and Willy, about to pass out drunk with his head back and almost not moving his mouth says "Jesus what is it with you making fucking sandwiches" 🤣
I'd still love to see you cover "The Radioland Murders" someday. It's kind of in-between a Forgotten Failure or an Almost Cult Classic, mostly depending on whether its frantic vibe clicks with the viewer. Plus it comes from such a weird place in George Lucas's career.
I actually really like that movie. I suggested it to Joe once on Twitter, and he admitted he thought about covering it.
Plus it's the onscreen debut of George Lowe -- voice of Space Ghost -- and I forgot to ask him about it when I met him.
Directed by Mel Smith, a beloved (sadly no longer with us) comedian and actor in Britain
@@IgorsDen I believe he also directed the first Bean movie.
@@SmoothCriminal12 Yes he did, along with The Tall Guy which also featured Rowan Atkinson
One of the reason I hope Violent Night does not get a sequel. I am sure Violent Night will also become a cult hit but if they ever do a sequel I think this is the same thing that is going to happen.
I always call Billy Bob the dad of Timothy Olyphant
i LOVED the first one as a kid (i was 12 when it came out) the second one was SUCH a dissapointment
The Vacation movies seem to be almost immune to that rule.
The Ed Helms reboot deserves an episode here.
@@kamdan2011 think he did a video on that
Would like to see a forgotten failures: the family man starring Nicholas Cage.
Good call
"You want this cake?"
Not a failure though, Forgotten Classic.
You mean an “Almost Cult Classic”
The family man is an American classic
It's a brighter day when you upload.
You know what, i'm going to say it. I like bad santa 2. It may not be as good as the first one, but it definitely had multiple moments that had me in stitches of laughter!
Thornton giving massive Lorne Malvo vibes in the interview segments.
I've never seen an actor so stoned in an interview in my life as much as Thorton is here, nice find.
This was such a failure that I both forgot it existed until this video and I haven't watched the original since this one came out, though it used to be on my annual list!
I think Billy Bob got all of Burt Reynolds' wigs.
0:00-0:26 Billy sounds like a flunking Philosophy major who didn’t prepare a presentation in time so he’s now completely improvising a speech about the meaning of life
Never even knew they made a part 2. I feel like with nostalgia sequels coming out 20 years later all the time these days, maybe a Bad Santa 2 this year would’ve had a better reception.
Your videos are always amongst my favorite to see hit my inbox, well done as always
I saw Bad Santa in the theater with my friends when we were in high school. We were finally old enough to get into R rated movies ourselves without needing one of our parents to buy the tickets. It was kind of a sleeper hit in theaters. We went into it completely unaware of what it was and were blown away by how funny and crash it was. We were quoting it for the next couple years. I think it really exploded in popularity on DVD.
Aww man, when are you going to talk about the new Christmas Story movie.
I love your content, you have my subscription. John Ritter was amazing in the first movie and Bernie Mac.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.
I saw the second bad Santa in the theater, and the whole audience laughed.
"Bad Lieutenant"😂
Bad Santa 2 was a bad idea. Kathy Bates actually made it worse.
Why would Marcus come back!? He tried to kill Willie
Thurman Merman: I'm 21, officially a man.
Willie: You're 21 already? That's creepy.
Thurman Merman: Are you still gonna pop my cherry?
Willie: What? Fuck, no! I said I'd get it done, by somebody else.
😂😂😂
I loved 1 and like 2. …
And to think WatchMojo said the original Bad Santa had "aged poorly" because it had raunchy jokes...Well that's the point of an ADULT COMEDY called "BAD SANTA" starring a character that's a miserable Scrooge...
love this channel
The first one I saw with my grandmother, my late uncle, my aunt, and cousin on New Year's Day second one comes out I'm 30 years old saw it on streaming I purchased both unrated versions this last Christmas for very cheap on digital.
I love both Bad Santas..wouldve loved another 😎..BBT is the Man!
OMG your little inserts of Ritter doing his “eww” face made me literally laugh my ass off. Hahahahahahahaha
I couldn't believe it when you said this only released six years ago, which made it even more shocking to realize I think I saw this but have held almost no memory of it. I remember just clearly enough the opening scene and their scheme of stealing from the charity with Christina Hendricks's character.
This movie doesn't even exist as far as my family is concerned. We'll forever say "I don't want any _______... what is it with you and ______?" though.
This reminds me of Joe Dirt 2 the first one is a classic but I had no idea they made a sequel because it sucked so hard it went completely unnoticed
Bad Santa 2 was good
To forget something you have to be aware of it. Thank you for helping me forget this.
because of the thumbnail on this video it tricked me into think I had already watched it
I love Bad Santa 1.
I've watched Bad Santa 2, I cant remember a single scene of it.
I loved bad santa 2 tbh. The kid being still the same way makes it kind of depressing and sad in a way the first movie wasnt. But still enjoyable
"Wait, she was in the first movie?"
You said that right as I thought it 😆
Great job as always!
Kathy Bates is only 7 years older than Billy Bob Thornton.
Thornton seriously overestimates his own artistic credentials.
I woulda done Bad Santa 2 as the kid grown up but is a bully himself, and it takes 'Santa' who has some how softened up but still rough around the edges (He'd only be a jerk to bullies for example) to help Herman be a nicer person, and also regret teaching Herman to be like him.
They should have done Bad Santa meets and becomes real Santa.
Because sequels to a movie that had an open and shut ending always work out...
That was sarcasm by the way.
Is there a consensus “best cut” of the first Bad Santa? I remember there being…three?…different versions, but there isn’t a physical or digital release that has all of them.
I didn't even know this movie exists. That's a testament to how great it is!
Billy Bob Thornton was great as Coach Gary Gaines in Friday Night Lights
BS2 is one of those that got better for me after watching it a few times.
A better plot would have been to make Thurman a Department Store Manager, who tracks Willie and Marcus down to help him bring Christmas to his store..
...but then Willie's Mom shows up and tries to convince Willie to plan a heist on the store. Willie would be conflicted between the surrogate son who always supported him, or his estranged mother who never did.
At least there’s always the original Bad Santa.🙏
In London there were ads for this on buses that said "come take a ride on Santa". I still have no idea what the play on words there was supposed to be.
best editing yet!!!
I appreciate how you threw in Bad Lieutenant. Lmao
Bad Lieutenant is so underrated
I Hope i'm not the only one who hearing about this movie first time in life... 32 yr old life .that interview is hilariously funny and sad... merry xmas to all . YAY.