El Insurgente: Mexico's NEW Commuter Train
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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El Insurgente is a fast electric train between Mexico City and Toluca in the state of Mexico. This 58 km line has a top speed of 160 km/h. It's not fully complete yet, but we rode the initial operating segment! It was very... jazzy.
This video was filmed together with my friend @NonstopEurotrip
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Date of filming: August 2, 2024
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The design looks clean as hell for a commuter train
It’s pretty sweet!
Commuter train is not really accurate
Commuter train is not really accurate
@@xderleonx7227 it’s a train used by commuters. It’s a commuter train.
Don’t overthink this.
I discovered your channel whit the last video and it's awesome... just like train's
Thank you! Glad you’re here
The incoming government plans to build twice as much as new railroads as the previous one which was already something extraordinary but most of it will be done outside Mexico City but if in Mexico City we could have this same train connecting it to Cuernavaca, Puebla and Querétaro then it would be more than amazing.
Mexico City can go almost in any direction and hit something that would work with a train.
Yes, next train will be from Mexico City to Guadalajara City with other 2 main stations in Queretaro and in León (Guanajuato).
It's almost certain that it will get to Pachuca. Then there's a big chance that before 2030 the train to Querétaro will be operating. There have also been talks about expanding the Pachuca train down to Puebla.
Cuernavaca is likely to not have a train anytime soon... Since the mountains and huge elevation differences would require a massive investment.
Now that they open the section of Santa Fe (mexico city) the frequency is lower and the speed will increase until they finish the whole line sadly 😭
I just saw some clips on the new section and the views are so beautiful
It's great to see other transit enthusiast here in Mexico, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
People seem to forget that Mexico is in North America, and it's honestly probably the leader in NA transit, at least in CDMX. I love this Mexico trip! It's awesome.
The transit outside of CDMX can be hit or miss!
@@Thom-TRA Best outside are the buses. They have a pretty good system of buses leaving Mexico City. BTY, thanks so much for this series on CDMX.
@@Thom-TRAis has always been an issue, many people of other states always complain about México being so centralism.
And there are state that give so much money back to the Federal government but received less in return
Yeah outside Mexico City public transportation is so so, Guadalajara and Monterrey are doing amazing things, and cities like Merida and Leon are doing some work but outside these 4 cities you have huge cities like Tijuana or Juarez where their public transportation are old American school buses … sadly public transportation in Mexico is not standardized
Ehhhh so so. CDMX is totally world class in its transit but from what I know, transit is pretty lacking in most of the rest of the country
First of all, I must complement you on your Spanish pronunciation. The history lesson you included was also well done.
I agree with you that once the system is connected to Observatorio, the train will have high ridership since Santa Fe has no other rail transit. The section Observatorio-Santa Fe will probably be packed. I imagine the approx 20 mile section Lerma-Santa Fe is where you will see the highest speeds. Line 3 of Mexico City's Cablebus will connect to El Insurgente at Vasco de Quiroga from Constituyentes Metro station. It's great to see Mexico City investing in inter-city as well as suburban rail transit. It is sorely needed in the continent's largest metro area.
Ugh! The music on the train is very annoying. I prefer quiet trains or at the very least background music that stays in the background. This music is intrusive.
You're right, I can't think of an American city that has created a new commuter rail line in the last 40 years that didn't use existing RR lines, which can inhibit frequencies due to being owned by the freight railroads. I've often thought that new commuter rail lines could be built along freeway corridors which would reach key markets, reach dense urban and suburban areas, and offer circumferential routes.
Apparently line 3 of the cablebus just opened!!
Denver's commuter train network is mostly new and separate. But I can't think of any besides that.
Except Hidalgo.
@@jamesparson ah, thanks for that. Didn't realize that about Denver.
Thank you! The fact that you can produce an INTERNATIONAL RUclips channel is quite amazing!!!
Greetings from St.Petersburg, Russia!
Haha, my US content is actually only relatively new!
@@Thom-TRA when you are young, everything is "relatively new" :-))) You do have a lot of international exposure (a biography to write when you retire 😁). That exposure gives your content a very nice twist. Good luck!
I like a commuter train in Mexico obviously the new cars smell nice and clean. Are the stations open this year Thom.
And they said jazz was dead, haha. More seriously I'm really impressed by what you've shared here. Having heard about this project only in the abstract, it's exciting to see for real. I also think it's great you highlight Father Hidalgo
I wonder what Hidalgo would have thought of jazz…
@@Thom-TRA I'd like to think our man was also an absolutely sick jazz xylophonist
This line reminds me of the Skyline in Honolulu, with both being modern elevated lines first built outside of the main city center, with extensions in the works. El Insurgente is also a cool name for a train line.
It’s certainly an impressive name
American ComRails need to be like this
Mexican here, keep in mind that this and the airport one are the only 2 conmuter trains that we have in the entire country, american ones migh not be the better ones but at least they are common.
Both of you make good points!
Beautiful, thank you!! Mexico City is a really impresive city!! ❤❤
It really is!
I suppose that's one way to stop people making trip reports on your trains.... Fill it with loud copyrighted music 😆
Police tactics
Did you miss the santa fe station opening? The views are amazing through la marquesa.
Yes. Pay attention and you’ll hear me say MULTIPLE TIMES that I was here in early August, before Santa Fe opened.
Are you going to make video on Tren Interoceánico? It's quite interesting project, with little coverage in english, especially when compared to Tren Maya.
I thought about it but the schedule was just too unreliable to make it work for me. It would have cost me so much.
I thought about it but the schedule was just too unreliable to make it work for me. It would have cost me so much.
@@Thom-TRA Understandable, it's quite long way from Mexico City.
But thanks for covering Mexico City transit for us who are too lazy to learn spanish and too broke to go anywhere! :D
The jazz 🤣
I like jazz but I think I would find that annoying eventually.
@@izziebis way better than Banda and regeton music 😂
I can see SOOO many commuter/regional rail routes in the US and Canada adopting this model. Hell, my native Philadelphia alone would take a lot of notes, alongside building out new lines along this model. Something like this, the Melbourne Skyrail upgrades and such would be fantastic.
The Philippines is building some cool projects too!
Interesting!! Thank you
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Yes!
🇲🇽 🇲🇽 🇲🇽 Thanks For Outstanding Video As Usual. 😊 Viva Mexican TRANSIT 🇲🇽 😊
This is great! New electric elevated suburban rail is a great way of alleviating road congestion.
The 4-4 seating and super loud jazz could use some work, however. . .
I don’t mind the 4x4 too much, it’s what I’m used to being from Europe
Great video. Amen about building more projects like this in the U.S. Doing elevated lines with modern electrified European rolling stock would be a great way to modernize U.S. commuter rail systems and increase their usefulness. Overall this looks great. Maybe if they end up having another line and they keep the saxphone jazz around they could call it the Kenny G line.
I would love to see something like this between DC and Annapolis!
They should have played „epic sax“ to make it a truely special experience.
Man if they played that song it would have been my favorite train in the whole world
Based upon other, older rail coach equipment from CAF, in my opinion, exteriors are acceptable while interior seating design may look new but may not hold under heavy use, comfort notwithstanding.
I'm someone who listens to Smooth Jazz frequently. But I'm not sure I'd want it on the speakers of a train.
As a curious fact: The "Insurgente" train models are from the CAF (Constructora Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles) brand. The same trains manufactured for the CDMX metro line 12 (FE-10).
I don’t think they’re the same trains. Maybe same company.
@@Thom-TRA What I mean is that it is the same company, not the model. Both are created for the CBTC mode (WiFi-based Communications) and with Catenary.
Ironic, it is called the insurgent because of the fight against Spanish, but the train was manufactured by a Spanish company
Ironic as the damn president AMLO, thankfully he leaves de chair next week!!
@@IxtlanDelRioaguante el Peje 🎉
Hmm, this service really reminds me of Gautrain in Johannesburg-Pretoria; it's another service that does hit 160kph service speed and is intended to be a classy alternative to driving. They use the British electrostars, so the trains are definitely nicer, but the architecture and stuff feels very similar. However, I feel like this train is a big miss for needing a metro transfer. Gautrain delivers people right into CBDs, and right to the airport (although they have a much more disconnected set of transit systems there; wealth disparity is very very visible there).
What Joburg miss compared to Mexico City is their confusing suburban rail system , is still in used? Would love to see these system replaced to metro lines
This train has a station right in the middle of santa fe one of the citys biggest cbds and an área that was mostly disconnected from the transit system of the city,It does not reach Downtown but keep in mind about half a million people commute daily the route that this train makes, the only ways to reach santa fe prior to this train where buses and cars, also as you said It Will connect with the metro, México City has one of the most extensive metros in the world 12 línes and More than 200 km, when It conects to the metro the ridership Is expected to explode, so yes transfers will be needed but as a whole the transit system Is very integranted
A train that plays jazz? Bad for mexico good for the US. I wish the NYC subway did that. I could do with some city jazz that NYC is famous for. The chime sounds Chinese. That horn you heard at 8:45 is a common CAF horn seen on most trains excluding the UK
Why is it bad for Mexico? In Mexico there are also jazz bands and big band orchestras.
@@shinosukenohara5662 Well i am not sure why Thom didn't like the music on the whole time. He was obviously stressed out. In the US trains are very quiet and have no music. Seems kind of boring in US cities where Jazz is very popular.
@@Cupertinorail a train playing music sounds really annoying, no matter if the music is good. Its annoying for people wanting to talk or relax and if you’re listening to other music or watching a movie it’s going to clash.
@@eechauch5522 makes sense, to be honest I’d be stressed out too
@@eechauch5522 I understand that the music on the train can be annoying for some people, but what I don't understand is the comment that jazz is bad for Mexico.
Thank you so much for doing the video series.
I prefer that jazz music more than those “tv channels” they have in metrobús and metro screens full of annoying commercials and banda an regeton music 😂
Yeah I don’t mind screens on transit but they need to be muted!
I don't like any screens in public transport tbh. I understand i't s an opportunity for transport companies to earn some additional money but I find it so annoying to constantly be blasted with (even muted) commercials and news. Everyone has their own device to look at anyway, give me some peace and quiet for a few minutes please.
@@junglist_ikon I think blasted is a stretch, don’t you have a choice what you look at?
@@Thom-TRA Well yes and no, It's really hard to not look at screens, at least for me. I would like to look out the window but then somethings moves in my periphery and the next second I catch myself reading about a car crash or some other insignificant piece of news that I didn't need to know. Not the most urgent problem in the world but I personally find it annoying.
@@junglist_ikon yeah, that makes sense!
grate video. Friend
No power or toilets on a 30 mile route? Yikes! Still looks fun tho 😄
Very good man! I grant job i live in Toluca Mexico
I had some amazing tacos in Toluca
I'm from Toluca, but live in CDMX. All my family still lives in Toluca. This train is an authentic game changer for us.
Mexico once again proving how more developed they are than the US.
Mexican here, outside this and a few other proyects public transpotation in mexico is hell on earth
I would say both places have different strengths and different weaknesses
@@josephrodriguez5510 At least the street food is good in Mexico.
@@boink800 mmmmmmh, Ill watch for the vendor to have gloves or at least good sanitation, but generally yes.
I don't think so, let's be humble we have many bad things in México too.
But I would say one of pros is the difference ideology of live, we are more like Europe in the design of our cities and ways of live. Sadly many people want to be like usa with big freeways and auto car center, specially our north states by being so close to usa
In many ways, El Insurgente reminds me of the Delhi RRTS, which I can only describe as "Interurban Level Extreme". They are planning 3 lines for a connection across the National Capital Region, with specifications that are quite similar to El Insurgente (though the routes are significantly longer).
Even some people in mexico cant say Zinacantepec, you did it excelent!
Wow thank you! I had to practice
😂😂😂
Keep them coming!!!!
Will do!
The expansion of the suburban train to the new AIFA airport will use the same train model as the insurgent one.
There will be 10 trains, with the same paint pattern, the only difference is that the wheels were adapted to use the same type of suburban train track.
Yes! I saw one in the yard when I took the suburban train
Because they took them from the Insurgente 💀
@@linuxsisschannel8602 Yes, but they are trains that were kept in reserve for a future increase in demand.
The El Insurgente stations are very long, this is because it was planned to use two connected trains to form a single longer train and cover the increase in demand in the future.
That is why it does not affect taking those trains that were in reserve, since they can be replaced later in the event that there is such an increase in demand.
The music also drove me crazy after 20 minutes of traveling when I went😅
Something like El Insurgente would make sense between Largo and Annapolis. However, the Harry Truman Park & Ride is 4mi from downtown so we are either stuck with that, then again crossing the South River and the immediate Annapolis suburbs might kill off any connection between WMATA territory and Annapolis
They should extend the line across the center in the long term, maybe this would need to be in a tunnel.
But it's great to see that the current line is fully elevated!
That might be really expensive. And where in the center should it go? The zocalo?
In the center of what?? If you talk about Mexico City it has múltiple metro lines!! El Insurgente Train is a Interurban train wich goes from Mexico City to Toluca City.
The City has 12 metro línes many passing through Downtown, It Will be hard todo It through a tunnel, some metro línes aré already very deep because they had to built them under the existing lines
Great video, though I'd say it's more like European regional trains as opposed to intercity trains.
having music playing the whole trip is ridiculous i would hate it if i wanted to listen to music on headphones
But the jazz was very loud… and the jazz was very, very loud, damn it.
Congrats Mexico!
I didn't know that Mexico has a commuter train
2 ! Interurbano to Toluca and Suburbano to Cuautitlán and next year to AIFA✈️
There are 2! The other one will get its own video later
@@Thom-TRA oh OK and 👌
Really nice video about a really nice train! 👍👍👍👍👍
Fun video! Seems like you were really jazzed to try a brand new line and train.
I like how you said “Lerma” in a Dutch accent haha
And no sign of superalbs in sight...
This is a beautiful, clean train.
Ok i agree the music is loud
How come 😮 so wow😮 thanks😊
Loud Jazz:
Keep homeless from sleeping on the train.
Keep social media influencers from posting.
Like to "cop watch" videos. With cops blasting copyright music....You need to invest in sound editing software to filter out music.
Neither of those are the reason why. In some cases but not here. Take it easy.
Someone explain to me why Mexico is destroying the U.S AND Canada when it comes to building new public transport?!
It’s less expensive and there’s less legal hurdles. Which is a good thing and a bad thing.
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Next train Mexico builds will be a very big project, it will be a High Speed train from Mexico City to Guadalajara City!! 😎😁😊
So far, the new president of México says it will be the same speed as the train maya, and this one 160km/h
That is not a high-speed train also they said will share rail. I hope they change mind
Wow. I worked in Toluca around the turn of the century, and the best way into Mexico City was a bus. Thee were usually wrestling videos on the buses.
Interesting. Did you enjoy working in Toluca?
@Thom-TRA It was crazy, but a lot of fun. I was setting up a new factory not far from the Zapata statue. On weekends and vacations I wandered around many of the mountain towns. Ah, the food!
but Thom, did you ride any roller coasters while you were in Mexico City? Again, another informative and interesting report. And yes, you were very correct in yesterday’s tease, it is quite jazzy!
No roller coasters. Though I’d say the cable cars were much more thrilling!
Great video, clear and concise, congratulations!!!!
Thank you!
¡Hola, soy Thom, y bienvenidos à Trenes Son Increíbles!
Hahaha I should do that
SMOOTH JAZZ 🎵
My way to roll :)
Also the ascending/descending chimes reminds me of the final round of “Weakest Link” when the players decide who wants to answer first.
They make me think of mall announcements 😂
@@Thom-TRA how’d you know malls are my first love? 😅 my local mall a long time ago used to have a 3-4 second long telephone tone noise that lives rent free in my brain since the late 90s.
Great job on another amazing video thom🏆
Appreciate it!!
You should make a new video taking the train all the way to Santa Fe 🙊
I’m not in Mexico right now
@@Thom-TRA 🥺
That's a good project. Modern and functional ststions and also modern trains. With those EMUs Caf just seemed to have done an upgrade of RENFE 's Civias, wich are presently the Spanish operator most modern commuter rolling stock (but already new EMUs from Stadler & Alstom are being built or in the 1st steges of testing, and Caf 's next generation Civity EMUs are on order). The interior is quite similar to the ones from Renfe. Only the frontal lights have a different look. Possibly the electrification system is also different from the Spanish one (in Spain the Civias work under 3 Kv dc. This system being new it's probably 25 kV ac). As for train speed the line just seems to be working on some sort of ',teal's test mode, but if it will reach 160 Km/h, that's quite a good level (in Spain, the Civias top speed is 120)
I don’t love the new Stadlers for renfe. I think they’re great trains it just bothers me that the doors are different colors 😂
Una disculpa por escribir en español, pero no se inglés.
Desafortunadamente van a operar a una velocidad máxima de 120k/h, las pendientes se hasta 4 grados y las curvas constantes en el trazado limitan la velocidad, donde probablemente si destaque es en ramal al AIFA que tiene grandes rectas.
I've heard of _El_ _Insurgente,_ but I found this informative! I knew about the origin of its impressive name (indeed, in Spanish class, I even did an entire assignment about Hidalgo, the original _insurgente_ of the Mexican War of Independence), but I didn't know that this is a _musical_ train as well.
Also, the idea of an electrified commuter railroad on new trackage reminds me of the Purple Line that the San Diego Trolley plans on making in my home city: although the other Trolley lines are light rail, the Purple Line (opening 2035) will _also_ be an electric commuter train. I imagine that would be similar to the _Tren_ _Suburbano_ _and _El_ _Insurgente_ in Mexico City.
Thanks for the video!
For more information on the Purple Line: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Line_(San_Diego_Trolley)
I’m excited for the purple line!
@@Thom-TRA, I'm glad you are! I too am looking forward to seeing it be built!
Nice pronunciation!
Thanks!
The irony of a Spanish-built train being named after the guy that fought against Spanish colonialism is great. I hope they have enough train sets to run these in coupled pairs. Based on all the other Mexico City transit, I’m sure one will not be enough. Renfe almost always runs the Civias in coupled pairs. Because the carriages are unusually short a single set is only equivalent to a 3-car train, which is pretty small for a service in such a large city.
You’re right, it is very ironic!
Tell that about the name to the ironic president Mexico has!! That old man named it, he does not think good. 👎🏼
I wonder if once more people start riding, the jazz music will not sound as loud as it did when the train was empty. It’ll be interesting to see how the atmosphere changes once the city line opens and these trains are full of people.
I’m sure they could also stop playing it lol
Usually they have orchestral music as well
Sorry you didn't get to choose the music. Looks like you were the ONLY passenger on the train! Is it really so unpopular?
Try listening to what I say in the video. Near the end.
During the time of the video, only stations in Toluca were opened, Toluca even tho is a almost 2 million pop. , it’s a dormitory city to Mexico City, so once the line is opened 100% to Mexico City that train is going to be full capacity , also I guess they did the video during half morning when everyone is working
Did you get a chance to ride on the Intercity 125 that the UK shipped over to Mexico?
Nope, it’s already been wrecked
What are you talking about?
And even if one of them did get wrecked, there is at least 4 of them in service in Mexico.....
@@PoweredByLS2 when we were in Mexico, we were told all sets were out of service because of the wrecks.
Your Spanish pronunciation is terrific!
This is a weird comment coming from someone who name is Steve lol
Thank you!
was that a necessary comment? Maybe they’ve lived in a Spanish speaking country their whole life.
160km/h is very impressive for a non-intercity train! The frequency does not sound too bad for the North American standard. Too bad that they could not put the line into the city center from the beginning.
I mean, one year later really is not bad
But it actually is intercity
@@rodrigoe.gordillo2617it is and not , Toluca area is basically a suburb of Mexico City separated by the Marquesa and Desierto de Los Leones hills
@@rodrigoe.gordillo2617 In all fairness, the border between intercity and regional trains can be blurry at times. The Insurgente is currently 57.7 km long which is a comparable distance to an older S-Bahn line (though this includes the cross-city trip, the Insurgente terminates outside), albeit not with the same stopping distance, and even when completed, will still be shorter than a typical non-express regional train you can find in Europe.
I hate JAZZ
That’s sad jazz is great
@@Thom-TRA it’s the worst sounding music genre
Many regional trains don't have toilets on them and I don't think that I have seen a single Metro 🚇 with toilets on them.Problem with toilets on urban trips in they are prone to vandalism and also you have to maintain them and a blockage in a toilet might see the whole train taken out of service.
It depends, I would say. In Austria all regional trains (including S-Bahn systems, because they use the same rolling stock as regional lines) have toilets. In Spain the rolling stock between Cercanias/Rodalies (Suburban Trains) and regional lines is different, but both have toilets. In Germany some S-Bahn systems are not even compatible with mainline rail, and they generally don't have toilets, but most regional trains do have them. In France I also remember toilets in regional lines, but I don't know if the RER trains in Paris have them
Edit: but I agree that I haven't seen a single metro with toilets, for me they also don't really make sense because the trips you take on the metro are usually quite short anyways...
The Seibu 40000 series in Japan has toilets and this train runs on the metro!
@@Thom-TRA you know, while writing my comment I thought of Tokyo and how the Regional trains (if they are called like that) run into the metro and probably have toilets on board. But unfortunately I have never been to Japan, so I didn't include it. I also think that it's a weird situation, because they are regional trains running into the metro. I think in the German speaking world (the one I'm most familiar with) I think this would not be considered a metro but a "S-Bahn Stammstrecke" like in Vienna. Effectively a rapid transit line: completely grade-seperated and with metro like frequencies, but run by interlining S-Bahn lines. Correct me if I'm wrong tho...
@@mcj1m_noonewillfindthis I will say, the train I mentioned is an exception. Most do not have toilets.
the livery looks similar to the sbb ones, they look kinda good with the graffity 😅