LeMond: "Did Chris Froome Use A Motor" ???
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025
- Anthony chats with cycling legend Greg LeMond.
Did Chris Froome use a motor during his tour victory?
You can check out the full conversation with Greg LeMond here
Part 1 • My Untold Story of EPO...
Part 2 • The Untold Story About...
If you want to check out my new podcast with Greg LeMond in full here's the link
ruclips.net/video/_kFSe3VxS10/видео.html&start_radio=1
This was a great one... enjoyed it
Can you link/credit to the examination videos at 0:40 secs and beyond?
Greg saying that he doesn't know if he would've been able to resist the rise of doping is an impressive level of honesty.
If everyone else does it and you don't you're out of a job.
Greg worked with Yvan Van Mol. Nothing more needs to be said. It wasn't B12 that he took in 89.
I think he isn't totally honest, but close.
And surely , he referes epo to be THE substance. What's understandable, there werent even tests for hamatocrite.
Maybe he did a little cortisone, testosterone, coffein, pain killers. Something like that. Just my thoughts.
It's possible to go far with testosterone and cortisone.
I could do 6,2w/kg/h just with test and a hamoglobine in the upper Norm
@@LTPottengerthat's exactly why EVERYONE did it!
Honesty ? You think this bloke won the tour clean ?
Mad respect for LeMond, he is generational cycling talent and put US cycling on the map
You are a fool to think so
I have personally seen a bike with a motor in the seat tube, engaging the crankset. Waterbottle was the battery. Electronics in the brake levers. In a Sarto carbon fiber road frame.
But surely they’re checking these bikes before races? It shouldn’t be that hard to find.
IRL, Greg is a good guy. Talked with me for a few moments the night before I was heading out for an MS 150 and also signed my water bottle. wysiwyg with him.
Perhaps they should do a tear down of the top five finishing bikes in front of all the compactors. The same thing is done in auto racing, it keeps everyone honest.
X Ray the freaking bikes and stop moaning
At every F1 race weekend, over the three practice sessions, qualifying and race (some races have an additional sprint race but only one practice session) cars come into the pits up to around 50 times. At any time when entering the pitlane, a car can be randomly diverted into the inspection area where anything & everything can be checked by the marshals to ensure cars are legal.
With cheating being so commonplace here, random inspections should be introduced in this sport.
UCI did x-ray bikes and never found one single motor doping incident. All this is just a farce for Greg and other people wishing to push people down.
Stripping POGGI's bike during the 2024 tour de france and a Mercedes 6.3 Litre V8 dropping out of the frame would explain his recent otherworldly performance.
@@ScramTekThis is exactly what I was referring to, and a good example of.
Not necessarily saying Greg is wrong here with motors being used, but regarding his remarks at 2:25 on "Froome on Mt. Ventoux.", I actually pulled this up on RUclips. When he's attacking, the displayed power goes up to over 650 Watts. It never really went above 500 Watts in the whole 25 minutes of the climb before, mostly around 380 Watts. Yes, it is true, it does then go down to a minimum of around 300 Watts again, but that is during a corner, after which it goes up again to very high values. It is also totally possible that the displayed Watts might be mismatched by a few seconds. When attacking Quintana later, the Watts again go over 1000 Watts! Just sayin'.
well said
He was looking at the strava data not the data put on the screen that syncs up with an approximate power value on TV.
LeMond says, "no one is efficient at 110 rpm's". I trust LeMond, he knows what he's talking about.
try riding on rollers x heart rate 90rpm then go down a gear and increase cadence to 100rpm. Speed drops because the power drops, and heart rate goes up. It proves what Greg says is true.
dude, after the motor scandal, Froome wasn't anywhere near the top peloton and he fell off until his big crash. it was ALL DOWNHILL after the motor scandal. even Cancellara retired because he couldn't compete without it. he had to dope again and when you're close to retire there's no point. he did a last baroud on the Swiss national TT with a good cortisone load and said goodbye. that's Spartacus for you guys. these infos are available on the net. Cancellara is a massive fraud. like Contador. Froome or Quintana in his young years at Movistar.
the Pinarellos Dogma 65.1 from 2015 lighter in the store than the year before to match the 6.8kg and end up with 400gr more on the tour??? 7.2kg the bike against 6.8kg in the store? Hello?? what's 400gr there?? Especially since they still have to scratch on the carbon of the frame to be able to gain weight margin, otherwise they would be much too heavy. if that's not the proof for you... I think you have to take a vacation. without disrespect.
Thanks Greg for sharing these insights and logic behind increasing speed on a legendary tough climb while wattage output goes down. Most lay fans don't understand these things, so thanks for educating us and making us aware to be discerning when viewing the races and results.
He is so powerful, he had the motor going the other way to make it more challenging.
This is the new form of EPO,Electric Powered Output
Greg Lemond = legend.
Although I partially blame Greg for getting into racing. Turns out I don't like much about bike racing. I'm a JFF(Just For Fun) rider in my soul. Now I'm back to pleasure riding(on 50mm tires), the fun, relaxation and passion is back. STILL appreciate Greg!
Champion bike racer, passionate cyclist, and stand up guy.
Best wishes.
I'm so glad I stopped racing. What a debacle. If I ever get on a bike again, it'll be for fun only.
I started road cycling in 2000 after solely riding mountain bikes. I did the Ride the Rockies tour my first year and I was enthralled by road cycling and followed all the tours. My favorite rider became Lance. I read his book and followed him all along. When Pantani got busted and numerous others I was so disappointed, but I knew Lance was clean. Because he told us he was. Then the truth came out. I was devastated. I still ride my fixed gear bike every day. But I no longer watch any of the tours. I just can't. Greg is a hero in my book!
Greg is such a gem. We need more idealists like him who are willing to put their values on the line, particularly when the public is being manipulated into believing a narrative which isn't what's actually going on.
Oh, I see. We need more conspiracy theorists. There was I thinking we'd got plenty enough already.
@@MikeAG333 Hardly a "Theory" when they keep coming true?
@@strongdelusion9442 Let me know when you can produce any evidence....
@@strongdelusion9442the vast majority just disappear as they were always bullshit.
"idealists" -- good description.
I heard once: How do you know if a Tour de France cyclist is doping? If they finish the race.
I don't know how far back in time it goes, but I believe it.
Nice quote. Without doping you probably could finish with a 35km/h pace
@@Ja_ist_gut Me? On that course? I doubt I could ever finish. I wouldn't clear 15mph. Those climbs are nasty and I'd be terrified going down the mountains.
IIRC, if you don't keep up you get eliminated.
I think it goes back to 1903.
Absolutely !!!!!
There is still one team with a lot of bike changes for no clear reason! The two leaders of Alpecin Deceuninck (Mathieu van der Poel and Jasper Philipsen) do it every important race. Until last year the bikes even had diferent colors. they started the day with one color and the final was ridden with another.
From this year onwards there is still the change, but apparently with the same coloured bikes.
Still can't beat pogacar 😂
I remember watching the tour when Froome attacked on a mountain stage. The broadcast showed real time numbers like heartrate. This climb Froome and whoever was with him were really on the rivet, they had been climbing hard and dropped everyone else. The next thing Froome accelerates madly without standing and just left the second best climber in the world in his dust. They had been climbing at around 17mph, with this attack Froome got more than 10 seconds advantage in less than 200 meters. I did the math at the time and figuring the 2 rider keeping the same pace meant Froome's acceleration went above 27 mph. I watched his heartrate and there was NO significant deviation from the effort. He went from like 132bpm to 135 bpm. If you looked at just the heartrate you would say he rode steady the whole way. No matter how great an athlete you are your heart rate changes during any kind of effort. Rapid acceleration that puts you far away from the second best climber in the world with no change in heartrate shows mechanical cheating. Why was Froome prone to crashing? Good time to ditch the bike with the motor.
I also remember them using what I think were heat detection cameras on the motorbikes at the time to check for motors. I just don't believe this is true in the slightest. Are we also accusing all the tour winners now of doing this? Training, nutrition, everything has changed a lot since Lemonds days
@@cyclingartist6827delusional.
@@cyclingartist6827Electric bikes were definitely used
Of course. Because heart rate monitors are known to be 100% reliable all the time.
@jepulis6674 If you didn't know there was widespread cheating by the winners in cycling it means you are very uninformed
Cancellara went about 8kmh uphill there compared to Boonen who was sprinting. Absolutely impossible imo
I saw a bike that clearly had a motor in it on the Tour de France. Even more insulting there were two guys on it ….. They can easily be identified as they had instructions for the motor on their backs.. they had PRESS. Hate cheats.
fucking great comment. well done
The best comment!
You're FKing hilarious, not
Funny stuff but lets be real, cycling is all about cheating....
The other guys on the one-man devices have another kind of enhancements.
These guys on epo in the 90s rode 36kph tdf now its over 40 and supposedlyclean
.
Sports science didn’t exist in the 90s. All the 1% marginal gains have added up.
They probably still do drugs though
Training and bikes got better... and... öhmm.. the epo too maybe
I guess they tweaked the hot sauce for their pasta a bot more 😜
one of the most visible ones i've seen was within the last 7 years and there was a rider who crashed, I'm sorry I didn't commit the rider and race to memory. the rider was off the road to the side in the weeds and he got up then grabbed his bike that he was separated from and picked it up to turn it around and the back wheel just starts going.
Ryder Hesjedal.
That was just a crank on the ground.
@@alan_davis no not exactly the rider picked the bike up out of the weeds had it up in the air without turning his pedals or anything and the wheel started from slow and then sped up it was definitely something and at the time I think six other people commented on the video and said what is that is that a motor.
Having race for 25 years and plenty of times crashed and had to pick my bike up and I understand you know if the cranks down and as you pick it up it it rotates forward and the wheel turns but yeah this was almost it almost did a little burnout this is being a racing fan and racer from late 70s 80s 90s early 2000s I still race cyclocross in the fall and winter at 63
Was that Ventoux Power vs Speed mismatch proven ? Seems odd it didn't get the traction it deserved if it was...
The people who own the bike teams own the media
There are some RUclips videos out there showing power data laid over the video broadcast, but I have never seen anyone verify that the power values are accurate.
Because no entity with the funds to research it would bother because it could never be proven, it's in the past. It is fun to discuss, and clearly Cancellara is a dirty cheat, but it can't be proven. There is no smoking gun, so no one with the resources would bother. Just like EPO, there was a span of time when it wasn't being tested for, so it was abused. Mechanical doping has happened, so when we see videos that indicate its use, then it's probably true.
I've just bought a second hand bike with a seat tube motor, it's fantastic, it looks and weighs the same as a standard bike. She's not a cyclist, but can now drop me on a climb.
I'll never forget Bennett's wise words on that last mountain stage of the Giro: 'He pulled of a Landis'. Too bad for poor Dumoulin.
In the Frome era the UCI did check the frames for motors. So how would they hide it and the batteries?
Bike changes. Are you simple?
@@sjaakbral83 They use infrared cameras.
@@StarAD how would that help if the motor is in another bike? Are you people truly simple? What do you think bike changes mean?
@@sjaakbral83 wow, you’re rude. Didn’t the UCI check the spare bikes also? Otherwise what’s the point?
@@sjaakbral83you are so clever and uci is so stupid...... Get a life clown.
Can anyone link/credit to the examination videos at 0:40 secs and beyond?
I'm thinking this with Tadej Pogačar. This last Tour De France (2024), he effortlessly crushes all other riders and barely broke a sweat.
Is it possible to get a bike battery to push 800+ and even last being that small? My friend who works in a bike shop and he has known some people take the EU "restricters" off and they have burnt the circuits real quick they do give some 5-600 watts for about 30 mins but the batteries are huge as in the size of the bottom tube.
Precisely - I'd like an engineer to confirm that this is even physically possible.
My ebike has been deristricted for years. Never burnt anything out.
You give a pro an extra 50W for 1 minute and it's a stage win.
Doesn't need to be 500-600 watts, a pro doing 350w with an extra 50-100 Watts saves the legs and gets they ahead even more.
@@alan_davis not at the big races like the tour, say somebody like Ben O'connor for him to beat Jonas he would need at least 150+watts to beat him. Jonas is apparently pushing over 400+ at every climb and for a lightweight like him other riders will need over 500 just to be able to beat him.
Why are the bikes not inspected???
Now they get inspected. So no more motors now. But there was a time when no one knew or believed it was possible to hide a motor in a bikeframe.
that's what all the bike swaps were about, so they would start and finish on bikes that could pass inspection
Interesting that races are faster now without the motors 🤔
@@2003wrx64 That's not how it works. The overall duration of a race has little to do with blood or mechanical doping. It has to do with how hard or relaxed the pace is. Some stages they simply don't race and leave it to the breakaway. Or they don't race until the final 10 km on a sprint finish. Some races, they race almost the entire time, if they're trying to catch a breakaway or a GC guy is trying to get some separation in the mountains. Have you not seen the TdF before?
when landis rode away from the peloton on that 100km solo breakaway, that just screams motor. he never got up out of his seat. cadel evans said he redlined to try to keep up and landis still rode away from him. literally superhuman when he can sustain a wattage above another top pro's redline.
A short story about Floyd ...he was originally a mountain biker....he showed up to a race back in the nineties that a friend of mine was at....he showed up on a piece of junk mountain bike...with cut off jeans and sneakers....he won the race collected the money and left....so yes he is a awesome bike racer....sad he got sucked into that junk....I blame that Texan....lance
I was an ex sports journo, who came from cycling to triathlon. You think cycling is bad? Triathlon has been winging it for years in both short course and long course. I wrote an article on it in 2018 that never got published because what was contained within it was pretty damning, esp to a cheating Swiss who stole 2 olympic medals (Gold and Silver)and if she'd not had a mishap in Tokyo would have stolen another, all at the age of 38.
Can I find this article somewhere? I would like to read it
@@thru_and_thru Hi, you can put in Google, Marcus Maher (off the ball) triathlon. You can read an article that I alluded to in 2019, there I interviewed WC Vincent Luis and the doping in the sport.
The bigger article I wrote was never published due to certain people not prepared to go on the record.
Make a video about the issue, man!
Publish the paper
Oh Nicola Spirig. Interesting.....
Poggy without a doubt is mechanical doping. In the Worlds Road Race when he left Sivikov for dead his speed to cadence uphill did not look legit. Same as his record breaking climbs in the tour. He is a freak but common... He is so competetive it would not suprise me one bit.
The thing is having a hidden motor would be the easiest thing for the UCI to check and motors dont seem to be found so you have to assume its not an issue.
You'd think that if the UCI had a hunch that motors have been used in the past , that an inspection would be performed to every bike prior to racing 🤷♂
@@manchesterexplorer8519 , only if you believe that the UCI wants clean racing...
...but I don't think that's the case.
UCI aren't worried about cheating. Their job is to make sure bikes "look like proper bikes".
@@dclark142002 Much like how steroids in professional sports gets the blind eye , the industry wants records broken and stronger / faster players to keep the audience interested in the product.
Agreed. No way a team would risk it unless they were happy to be in the last TdF they'd ever been in if they got caught. Use your heads people. They randomly test bikes, no team is going to risk that.
I've seen two bikes with motors hidden in them.
And the motors and getting smaller and smaller for the power they can produce.
I'm betting on Chris Froome being an early adopter of ketones and a late adopter of salbutamol.
Nice guess!
I never believed Chris froome for a minute
For me was same as Cancelara-fraudster.
Why does he have to try and set himself up as Mr virtue to cast doubt over everyone else!!!
@@roybuffey6104He isn’t casting doubt on everyone. He mentioned that he has seen no evidence of motors being used in today’s peloton.
Cause you are a hater?
Oh well that proves it beyond any doubt for me then
The legend
💯
Not disagreeing with Greg and all respect but some riders choose shorter crank lengths which of course means that a racer can generate higher RPMs with less torque - the bike swaps MIGHT have something to to with optimum gearing for the different sections of a stage?
Froome's suspicious rides were years before the current interest in crank lengths.
When I was hard I used to do short hill sprints at 130+ rpm on 170s. But I don't think this was the most efficient way to get up the hill. This was a training drill.
Back in the old cycling days of the 1980’s, I raced track at a velodrome in East Point Georgia. On Friday night they had Omnium events. There were sprint events, miss and outs and a 50 lap final race. You earned points for your finishes in each event which determines the night eventual winner.
Anyhow, I wasn’t the greatest racer but could hang on the local Pro 1-2’s. I discovered that by changing crank lengths between nightly events helped my performance. I started with lower gears and 165 mm cranks for the sprints, then moved up to 170 to 172 mm cranks and a bigger gear for the 50 lap event. I had to be mentally mindful to remember the longer cranks in the turns to not crash out by brushing a pedal in the steep banking.
Changing crank arms does help performance. I always wanted to play with longer crank arms for the 25 mile time trial, but never got a chance.
There was another crank length to outer chain ring dimension I feel I discovered, but when I spoke to Phd professors of Physics at a local university, they said I didn’t know what I was talking about. But on the bike, I could feel it.
@@af4od02 interesting story - I had a track bike too and rode on our Velodrome here in Montreal but I don't remember its crank lengths. The Phd profs were obviously not cyclists LOL - that's a little like speaker cables - they in theory shouldn't make a difference but when you actually LISTEN to them, they DO - thanks for your input :-)
Lemond says no one is efficient at those RPM's. I trust Lemond's opinions on the subject much more than yours.
@@holdencaulfied7492 obviously EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions - you, me, AND Greg . . . but that is just what they are: opinions - not fact or proof. Having said that, I trust Greg's opinion more than yours too and I wasn't arguing with his statement - as a matter of fact, I put a question mark (did you happen to see that?) at the end of my post in which I was NOT contradicting him but asking a question because I DON"T know, IF you are a cyclist and not a couch potato, no one has to tell you that cadence is a very personal thing - some are efficient and like 80 RPM and others may prefer 95 . . . YES, 105 or 110 is VERY high and as Greg says, perhaps not very efficient. It is POSSIBLE that there MAY have been motors involved but Greg himself CAREFULLY says that he does not have the motors or bikes in his hand (concrete proof) On the other hand when he says the wattage goes down and the speed goes up, one HAS to wonder . . . just an opinion of course.
As teenagers my mates and I raced road and velodrome for a few years. We got into it because of the drugs but gave up when we realised we had to provide our own. We still make jokes watching le tour about where the batteries are hidden, and why they swap bikes just before a climb? Cheers to Eddie Merckz, happy cycling.
I think there was a time before the bikes were tested that mechanical doping was a real thing. But now that they're testing bikes, I'm just going to say it, there's no way these teams would risk it. It's not even like a rider getting caught with drugs, it would be much worse and a PR nightmare. Can you imagine if Jumbo Visma was caught supplying ebikes to Walt Van Aert? They would be thrown out of the tour and maybe suffer a lifetime ban. No way they would risk that with JV winning the Tour every year.
Swapping bikes in and of itself, is not proof of anything. Perhaps a bit suspicious, but not proof. People confuse suspicious behavior with proof.
Greg LaMond was one of the best.
Inspect the winners (or maybe the top 5) bikes immediately post race. Problem solved/questions answered.
They did, at least in the Frome era onwards.
I say even better you have thermal imaging cameras throughout the course
What about the multitude of bike changes? It would be incredibly difficult to check ALL of the bikes. I don’t buy the theory, but some riders have been known to change bikes 4 or 5 times in a race.
They dont finish on the bike with the motor .
Huge LeMond fan!
He's tops
He’s a huge fan of himself as well
@@trevortwemlow7801in his own head he is the Bret hart of cycling,to much juice pickled his brain
@@trevortwemlow7801why wouldn’t he be a fan of himself and what he has achieved.. where as you on the other hand…😂
@@trevortwemlow7801sorry trev I’m trying hard to think of something worthwhile you have done.. still nothing 😂
Lemond is the only clean cyclist ever. No, the only clean athlete. So glad he is here to remind us. Yay iron injections!
Lmao u really believe that??
@@MaxRothFitness Yes! He says he is the only clean cyclist ever, so I believe him! Plus, he beat so many dopers, so he is my hero.
@@MaxRothFitnesslook up “sarcasm”…
Loving these clips.
It's not what you "think you know" it's what you can prove 😅
Greetings from Croatia 😎
Watch Froomes hand positions just as he starts to attack Contador....
There was far more bike changes 5 years ago! No there wasn’t. There’s probably double the amount of changes now due to disc brakes as it’s often quicker to change the bike when they have a flat
Very true. I wonder do all the spares get scanned?
@@roadmanpodcastclips not sure but even if they are pre race it would be easy enough for a team car to swap the one on the roof of the car for another on route. Id say if they are been used its by the less obvious riders, like to help a sprinter to get through a mountain stage to stay fresh for the flatter stages rather than a GC rider with all eyes on him
Maybe it should be like competitive sailing so the race event controls equipment and type.
I used to watch Lemond, Hinault and all those guys back in the day. I was glued to the TV and then off I'd go on my bike for an hour or two in the British summers. My club coach kept saying I should attempt to go for the professional level, but although I loved cycling, I knew the hell you have to put yourself through to be a pro cyclist. I spread myself over a number of other sports and did end up playing a watersport for two countries....so I did reach the top of a sport, Just not cycling. In an alternative life, maybe I'll pick cycling.
Such a dangerous and reckless conversation with no evidence. Nothing they say would hold up in court. “It looks like a motor. I heard it was a motor”. Bullshit. Show evidence or shut up.
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proofs
Brother, it was the same with doping. You have to understand that many professional athletes would do ANYTHING to win. I remember an anonymous poll done with Olympians, as far as I remember, 70% of them would accept dying after 10 years, if it means to be the Olympic champion...
@@AlexandarShmex I appreciate your stance. To me, motor doping is and should be easier to identify. They instituted, what looked like iPads, scanning bikes before and after races. They caught one young lady at a cyclocross event. Any time you make a claim against someone, it needs to be with evidence. Otherwise you’re damaging someone’s reputation and putting a blemish on it for no reason. After last week, is he going to say Pogacar is motor doping during Strade? Because he smoked the field? If so, it better have some teeth to that accusation.
Wake up or shut up sheep!
@@Jean-jk4zv Have you got any proof for that?
Correct, are Shimano parts really that bad?
Hungarian inventor who made first hidden motor got 2M dollars for exclusive use from the guys close to dr. Ferrari...part of the deal was not to talk about it.
Cancellara is almost a sure one!!
Yup….that’s why I choose to ignore anything he writes nowadays
Bullshit, show proof before you write someone's life work off like that.
@@ronc7743refer to the videos of Flanders and Roubaix attacks. There is your evidence.
@@ronc7743, read the history of cycling cheating. Watch some of Cancellara's performances.
Skepticism is reasonable and warranted.
@@ronc7743 Watch the videos of him dropping Boonen on the mur.
why are the bikes not checked at the end of the stage
Then all the power meter data, HR data, etc is also fake. Nah, i don't buy it. The kind of heat an enclosed DC motor produces (batteries) would make it obvious. Typically they run around 30-40 degrees in air. And we're only talking about a 100W brushless motor. How hot does your cordless drill get under load? They had thermal cameras then, all it would take is one journo or even someone roadside to take a photo and that would be that. That's leaving aside the UCI inspecting frames at random. In Froome's time, i'd say motors were unlikely.
Wow, given the electrical power needed to generate 10-20kph on the road, would require a significant energy source and power supply. And as all bikes are weighed, as observed by a great many people who delight in watching this happen, noting the different weights and specs. Given, also, that there isn't presently any system that can turbo-charge a performance yet be small and light enough to remain hidden. Unless of course, no doesn't bear thinking about. It could not be, it just couldn't. Did Spartacus travel into the future, buy all the tech he could and return just in time to win Roubaix? I've said it before and I'll say it again, wow.
I always find it amusing that Greg excelled at a time in a sport rife with doping, yet succeeded to do it clean 🤔🤔
He made have used, but keep in mind in the mid 80’s when he won, there was no Epo and there was no IM testosterone. Epo wasn’t even approved for use until 1989.
That leaves the other common, and that’s good old blood doping with his own blood. This was extreme prevalent in the 70’s amongst marathon runners, olympians and cyclists. Now, blood doping was NOT even illegal until 1985. So, I’m sure he….and every other pro in the tour likely did this on evening prior to the start and maybe again final week. But regardless, it that phase where most were doing it, legally
The '80s was "doping lite." Steroids for recovery, stimulants, that sort of thing. The '84 US Olympic team blood-boosted without EPO, as did other "amateur" teams, but that regimen might have been too disruptive to pros who had to be "on," week in and week out.
@@SummitPerformance ,"Epo wasn’t even approved for use until 1989.", yeah, that would stop them, lol
He fell off as soon as EPO came around and other guys who we now know for certain were using it started beating him who hadn’t before. So he had a better shout than most to say he was riding clean.
Keep going lemond.... good someone is talking about it.
If that WR high jumper got caught with springs in his shoes, Then i believe him when he says so bikes has/had motors on/in them
We just saw yesterday that Pogacar had RPM over 100 in tour of Lombardiet. He always have high rpm, and excelerates lile chris froome or cancellara did on those occasions. That would explain how Pogi can be so much better after 1 year. He is super human right now, nothing makes sense about him.
A motor that small giving out that much power still hasn’t come to commercialization all these years later. It did not happen. The noise alone would be so apparent.
Yeah they have. A female cyclo cross rider was caught with a motor in her bike. Anyone who thinks motors weren't used in the pro peleton is deluded. Cancellara was clearly using one, same for Contador. Also the noise they make is minimal and no chance you'd would hear it when in the middle of a pro race.
Femke van den Driessche was caught using a motor in the 2016 World Cyclo cross championship. The UCI took this issue seriously enough to use X-ray machines to test bikes. I also watched Cancellara attack Boonen live that day on the Tour of Flanders, it was “out of this world”
It’s electrical motors, Battery powered. Which gives pure torque.
Been commercially available for a decade...
@@alan_davis where do y put buy? How much wattage and torque? Price?
I remember reading an article in the uk cycling press just after the 1984 Olympics, the Brit riders were talking about the US team riders coming up to them and saying they’d had a visit from the milkman and got a ‘fresh pint’. They knew they meant some form of blood doping but EPO wasn’t even heard of at that point.
All english TDF winners were on something: doping or mechanical or both
Did Cancellara switch on a motor? Or did he just use an electronic gear shifter? Similar flick of the fingers.
Shimano released the Di2 in 2009. The contested races were in 2010, but at that time the technology was only starting to appear in the pro peleton. I looked at the footage and judging on the number of cables going from the steer to the frame, I think it is safe to assume Cancellara drove a mechanical gear train.
EPO came in during the 80's, not the 90's.
Greg knows this as his relationship with Yvan Van Mol showed. You watch that first TT in the 89 Tour and watch him be a minute down towards the end of the TT to bringing that back and winning it and still getting off his bike like he just finished warming up...
... his comeback at the end of the Giro that year is just as unbelievable.
Vitamin B12 Greg said. Sure. And I was a kid at the time with a red and white frame like his Bottechia with the Brancale shoes.
Aero bars that no one else used.
1990. 100% aero bars
@@PInk77W1 If it was all aerobars, he wouldn't have been a minute down towards the end of the first long TT and then came back - he would have been up all along. That did he though, absolutely.
But to go from utterly being shelled out the back in April to winning the Tour like that in July, it's more than aerobars and luck.
@@Swampster70
Lemond was more than aerobars
3rd in his first tour ever
2nd in his 2nd tour ever
Only because he was told to slow down.
1st in his 3rd tour ever.
All with no aero advantage
@@PInk77W1 That's all true - but there's a little thing called being shot with a shotgun because you relatives thought you was a turkey and being peppered with lead shot that remained in your body. He was shot in early 87, attempted to return to racing in 88 and suffered tendonitis. A second surgery to remove a bowel obstruction lead LeMond to also have his appendix removed in 87 because he thought his team would fire him if the shooting accident required a second surgery. His results from 88 through the first half of 89 were dire at best.
Strangely a meeting with his soigneur and Van Mol during the Giro mystically produced a complete turn around of results with a great result in the final TT of the Giro - a Giro that he finished over 54 minutes down in yet beat the winner Fignon by over a minute in the last TT with no tribars. That wasn't vitamin b12 or iron... It's like asking Froome to come back and put 5 minutes in Pogi after a few years from his best.
@@Swampster70
I thought he had aero bars in the giro TT.
The thing is he made a come back.
Lance didn’t even finish his first 3 or 4 tours
And then won 7 out of the blue.
Completely different than a comeback.
I could definitely imagine if your body is lo on iron and u solve that problem, you’d b like a new man. I was riding my bike across the USA east of Bakersfield CA and I could barely pedal
So bad I hitchhiked 36 Miles back to Bakersfield and went to a motel for 48hrs of rest. I looked at a map and saw Ridgecrest CA was 108 mi east of me and decided if I can’t make it to there tomorrow I’m done. I rode over the mountains like they were nothing and made it across the USA.
Tin foil someone?
Greg was a natural great biker!
'why do you care' was a great question!
I would imagine when you put your life into a sport, you want to preserve the integrity of it.
If Lemond could complete a sentence he’d be a lot more compelling
Meanwhile the president of the USA can’t
What ????
@@Twisi55
“My uncle was eaten by cannibals”
Joe Biden
Thermal imaging cameras throughout the race will catch the cheaters. I have a phone with thermal imaging built in that works rather well
Why would the Sky teams bikes be so much heavier than the competition when they want them as light as possible?...motors
So True, there should not ne too large a gap.
LeMond was the last clean cyclist to win the Tour for decades possibly to present. Miguel Indurain was probably the 1st in a long line using EPO to win the Tour.
Oh, right, and you know this how precisely?
Sparticus definitly a motor, just look at his legs & pedel stroke, thay are not even straining compared to Boonen's.
Battery tech 13 years ago was nowhere near developed enough to provide any benefit.
Motor 100%, made Boonen look like an weekender. The would have prepared using similar methods. Cancellara nearly had his arms ripped off when he hit go. @@philscott1105
@philipekerin122......I am a big 'Spartacus' [Fabian Cancellara] fan - but have to admit, I am extremely suspicious about his performances during that period. Not just the way he effortlessly dropped Boonen in the Tour of Flanders - but even more so in the 2010 Paris-Roubaix.
I remember Boonen being interviewed after the P-R and saying that Cancellara didn't really attack - he just rode away from the group. And this was an extremely strong group that contained top quality riders like Chavanel, O'Grady, Pozzato, Hincapie, Juan Antonio Fleche, Lars Boom and Boonen himself.
Boonen said that at first, the group didn't really react as there was still 50k's to go. But as the gap grew, they started working to bring Spartacus back. In fact, they were doing over 55kph's - but Cancellara was still going away! By the end of the race Spartacus won by over 4 minutes! That's simply unbelievable and too good to be true.
Spot on! & they all prepare the same way@@thesoultwins72
@@philscott1105Lithium ion batteries have been around since the eighties, Sony invented them for their camcorders
No one is efficient up a climb at 110cadence?? Can someone clarify? Just because it’s too fast a cadence that’s rhetorical power won’t follow?
Greg said they have studied the issue and all the best fastest climbers pedal at 103 rpm’s or whatever the number is.
No one has ever climbed fast at 110rpms. Never
@@PInk77W1 there are so many factors at play here. First, if you are accelerating up a climb with the chain under tension you are bound to have a rising cadence because if you changed gear at that moment you would have a terrible gear change. So yeah temporarily your cadence must go up. Then at the time Froome was the only rider using Osymetric chainrings, it can have a huge impact on pedaling style since there's an easier gearing during the dead zone phase of the pedaling. I'm using oval chainrings but I think Osymetric are just similar in this regard. Then there's of course the individual variation. Froome was known to climb seated a lot of the time. It's normal to have a slower cadence when you're pedaling out of the saddle, so Froome's average is higher simply because he's not going out of the saddle that often. I could go on, all I can say is that when I'm doing a pyramidal test, when I'm about to fail my cadence is highest because I'm not a powerful cyclist so I rely more on my velocity rather than my force. All that said I'm sure Froome and Sky used motors, his vuelta win was very suspicious
@@xGshikamaru, it was the seated ATTACKS that were suspicious to me with respect to Froome.
Yeah, sadly, I think he and Sky used motors occasionally to help.
The faster you climb.... your heart rate will jump and your mind will start shutting down your legs..... it's called bonking....and it sucks
No suspicious RPMs, except Pog, Rog, Jov, EvP et al.
Why isn't there an impound of winner's bike after a race - like NASCAR?
Easier to dope the bike rather than the rider now
A motor is something that's so easy to check for. Why weren't bikes being checked?
Back then, they didn't know it was even a possibility. Now that they check, a pro team would have to be crazy to try it.
Greg has been demonized for speaking the truth - a hero!
What ever happened to conscience? Back in the eighties I could have started doing amateur events. However I would have had to use an inhaler, back then I did not know if it was banned or not, I knew it could have given me an unfair advantage, so I did not persue my desire.
Its hard to prove but you can see the difference motor vs human.
Greg has had it out for Froome since the get go! He thinks that he is the cycling Don who calls all the shots, it's a bit tiring!
Top 20 finishers should have their bikes inspected.
Why wouldn't they inspect bikes before and after races, almost like car racing?
First of all, there aren't 5 or 6 bike changes in a stage. He is also ignoring the fact they now use disc brakes and thru axles. Wheel changes take longer, so they change out the bike most of the time.
Surely Cancellara just motored ahead of Boonen?
So...why not impound the bikes at the finish line for tech inspection before the award ceremony like parc ferme for F1? Simple, unless the regulating authorities are in on the fix.
Anybody who has ridden an e bike will recognise the pedalling style Fabian and Froome were using, it’s instantly obvious they were using a motor. I have regular road bikes but when I ride my E-MTB up steep sections on trails my legs also spin an un-naturally high cadence compared to how I normally ride because the motor is creating an artificially high acceleration.
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And I suppose Cancellara and Froome had the battery stuffed up their arse🤣
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That I think is LeMonde's point with the bike changes. Small batteries, you swap a bike for a climb and then change it out after.
@@garyrobson8297 LeMond should be in a circus 🤡
are the officials no longer verifying gear ratio's? A bike for the flats, another for the climbs? 39/49 fronts is a thing of the past.
The conspiracy madness is ... well ... madness
Greg LeGend
Love a bit of GL! What a legend
As a cyclist of 50+ years, I'm now riding a hardtail mtb with a Bafang mid drive as, due to injuries I'd wouldn't be able to do much cycling at all from around 20 miles each day on average to the summer months of big weekend hikes to the top of the hill, the exercise to the downhill reward part. Without a motor I would have to stick to roads and flat cycle paths/trails, so to see pro riders using motors, no matter how little power they're using, the advantages are enormous but probably mostly in not burning out the legs on climbs. Every cyclist knows how tough climbs are so to turn a climb into a flat takes away the fatigue and is worse, in my opinion than all the doping that went before. I hope this gets sorted out fast and everyone involved gets thrown out and loses everything.
I knew Armstrong was cheating and had several arguments with other cyclist friends before he was exposed, that ruined cycling for me as I knew there were others who got away with it, I'm sure it still happens, but this is going to further ruin the integrity of the sport.
how does he not see Boone slows right at the turn?
Boonen had the second fastest climbing time on De Muur that day
2024 tour de France. one of the stages before stage 7. I remember a bike change where they pulled the bike off the roof of the car and it had a water bottle already on the bike. They did not add water. So if was on roof of car for hours wouldn't the water been hot. OR it was a battery ? Go watch a let me know if the see it.
I got started in cycling because of LeMond so Im a big fan of the guy. But.....to me he always seems bitter other cyclists get more attention than he does. Also, I think there was no way in hell that he was completely clean of dropping. On another note: I live in France and Jalabert, who is a big cycling commentator on France 3, always goes completely silent or disappears completely whenever there is a dropping issue. Bernard Hinault doesn't like dropping questions either. I once saw a journalist ask him if he ever doped and he smiles, paused, and said yes because he drinks coffee. And something else...do journalists ever ask soccer, tennis, ski, or athletics athletes about dropping? All these sports have had long histories of dropping but they get a free ride. I think cycling doesn't because it's not very popular these days and there is relatively very little money in it. I'll always be a fan, though.
I’m a big Lemond fan too.
I don’t think he’s bitter
I think he just talks too much about
Small details that don’t mean anything.
Shouldn’t be allowed to change bikes once you’ve started the stage. In golf you can’t change the type of ball you’re using once you’ve teed off.
Gimme a break, you guys cheat by changing clubs for each shot.
Watching cycling as a fan is hard; I constantly consider cheating and wonder if a win is legitimate.
TDF is like a bike race on steroids!
Come on that Cancellara clip is stupid, everyone knows when you blow up on cobbles, you stand up... thats not a sprint by Boonen, thats resignation,. Look at Sagans 2016 victory, he does exactly the same, while seated.
Heshedals spisning wheel is way more sus :)
Normally when you blow up, you sit down, but okay. But you can also look at the footage one week before at the E3, where Cancellara outaccelerates Boonen in the last corner right before the finish, or Paris Roubaix one week later where he makes a fool of the leading bunch. And that was not on the cobbles. That was on stretches where no one normally can make a difference unless the competition is much slower or exhausted, which was not the case in both instances.
@@bertvanhoofstat7700 not on a cobbled climb, because you are more efficient sitting down than standing, so when you blow up, its from the lactic acid build up mostly in the lateralis, when you stand up you switch to femoris, but it does not work as it does on tarmac, so - this is exactly what you see from Boonen, he can no longer maintain power while seated, so he must stand up - but standing up on cobbles is just a sign of resignation.
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He also did 4 bike changes in E3 Harelbeke that year, no mechanicals
Nonsense. How much of a fan boi of Cancellara do you need to be to ignore what we all can see in the video? He's definitely a cheater.
Cancelara was 100 percent using a motor, too many examples and caught on camera