What is This? VIRPIL Z EXTENSION - Do We Need It?
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I see u used the collector grip. Does that grip twist like the Alpha?
Respect to you for mentioning that Virpil didn't invent those type of mounts/extensions and also respect to Virpil for having a reasonable price tag for this extension.
reasonable price tag LMAO
@@RealShimSham this is reasonable considering the build quality and the fact it is full métal.
Noob, you know we're going to need a complete and updated guide to your SC set up with your with all your favorite bindings and macros. I know you've done videos in the past with your previous set ups. It would be great to have an updated 2022 guide for various controller systems and gear levels ( I know that a sh*t ton of work). Please just consider it for your fans, we use your info when we make purchasing decisions and really appreciate your honesty and brevity.
Thanks, Merry Xmas, or whatever you guys in the frozen North call it.
I agree, but I also realize that its a big job, so eventually would be cool. We would definately appreciate it, me esp considering I just got the whole shebang.
You always hit on all the finer points, often answering the exact questions Ive been wondering about.
It would also be awesome to see IF there is any usefulness/comfort, etc to the DUAL Z EXTENSION config? It would take away the whole HOTAS Warthog immersion sim feeling on the Right side anyway (which Im fine with for a more fluid and comfortable grip.)
Ive got one Z Ext on order but I couldnt drop the extra $60 USD plus S/H to get a second, just to see.
I guess that says alot about how much we need you! Imagine how much overspending (I wont say wasted as its quality gear) there'd be, if we all bought items, just to test, or to find out if we like it. Im just too broke for that.
Thanks alot for ALL your content!!!
BTW, I just put a face to the voice, the other day, saw an old 2019 live stream by another youtuber (ATC ep).
Thought you were Bolivian. Nah, just kidding. Sorry for the corny joke.
plz @theNOOBIFIER1337
I agree, it is awesome that the VIRPIL team is paying attention and willing to take the plunge to give us options like this. Just hope one day I can save enough to get a setup to test and either sell or throw out my current cheap setup...;)
getting one specifically so that twist axis can be oriented upright, that way up and down strafe feels natural
i saw Afterimage Flight do this and since then,, ive been wanting the same setup
I have 3D Printed the angled extension shown in your vid myself, and i have to say it is rock sollid ( nothing loose etc. ).
Printed with 60% infill in PETG 0.12mm layer ; 0,4 nozzle
...put a rubber O-ring in between base and extension.
But the Virpil one is looking good.
If you have a 3D Printer and dont want to spend much money, try it out.
I mean, theirs is like $45. Not really much of a cost commitment there. Pretty much a guarantee that its going to work well for the user.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 For me in germany it is around 77€ with Tax an shipping.
If the angled adapter from virpil was available when i was ordering my dual constellation alpha setup, i would have ordered the virpil version to.
The quality of theire products is amazing.
But if you have a 3D Printer and want to checkout if you like the angled setup, go for it.
I for myself dont see myself switching any time soon.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 It's more than that if you add the expensive shipping from Belarus.
If you watched Robotech/Macross, then you may remember that the gerwalk(hybrid aircraft-robot) configuration involved flipping the hotas throttle up. I'd like a good robotech/macross game.
Which Macross was that? I'm pretty sure the original series transformed by pushing down a level on the console to the desired configuration and I don't recall they flipping up the throttle.
Although, in Voltes V they do something like that, turning a yoke into a pair of handles
@@jackmcslay This is the configuration you see in the movie version, "Do You Remember Love", as well as most of the more modern iterations (excluding Macross 7, which went the Guitar Hero route).
Like many here, I also 3D printed the one that was shown in the vid and it was rock solid. I later made a different one that I still use and printed it with a resin printer. The DIY crowd's options are definitely viable if someone wants to go that route. I was excited to see VIRPILs take on this and it looks slick. I ordered one the day they made it available.
So that said, the review is great and I'm glad to see Noobifier is catching on to how the angled grip really does change the whole feel of flying in a space sim but I am a bit disappointed in him for the portrayal of the 3D designs here as total garbage -- I get it, it's a "for effect" kind of thing and this is kind of a commercial so he needs to show them falling apart, but it's also somewhat dishonest. Most usability issues were addressed by the DIY community and to call them out as total garbage and portray them as something that just fall apart diminishes the time and work that crowd put into designing and making them as well as their advocacy over in VIRPIL's forums.
I think I saw something about VKB working on their own version of this as well but I can't remember the link. It's a really cool story about how an idea evolved over the past year or so in the DIY world and has now made its way to a first-class supported product from one of the leaders in sim gear.
Compared to the VPC one, the printed one would be garbage, I stand by that. the VKB one has been teased for a couple of months now. Hopefully it releases soon. The DIY is a good starting place to evolve, then the product needs to be made properly.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 compared to a Bentley, a Honda is garbage. You’re trying to compare 2 very different price marketed items which is coming off as you fan boying for virpil rather than actually comparing the two. Not to mention for some that can’t afford virpil products it sounds like you’re just saying “if you can’t afford virpil, your stuff is garbage.”
@@johnnytrongaming not really what I was saying, sorry you misunderstood.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Might not be what you intend to say bit I have agree with @Johnnytron. Sounds like you are just completely dismissing anything that's plastic. I've seen you do it in a couple videos.
@@Conti027 3D printed plastic
I actually saw a few videos about it, and whilst I unfortunately enough don't have a setup at all, it was one of the things that I found to be possibly essential to the setup. There was even one video where it essentially removes the need for a keyboard entirely for on-ground movements, given that you can use the thumbstick on the stick for movement. It's great to see Virpil actually putting resources towards this, and I hope that the product will see good use in the future!
I wrote to Virpil requesting that they make this about 8-10 months ago...clearly I was not the only one - will buy 2 as soon as I can :-)
INSANE! I had been wanting this for YEARS. I had seen the 3d printed ones, but i don't own a printer and couldn't find anyone that would make me one no matter how much I offered (which I always thought was bizarre). Now Virpil just makes them and I know about it because of Noob?!? Thanks man way to cap off my year!
I've been using a 50mm and a 75mm virpil extension pipe clamped together by a metal 90 degree bracket that was bent back to provide 60 degree angle instead. Using a Constellation Alpha L, the twist left/right axis becomes twist up/down physically with the new orientation. I've used this bound to vertical thrust.
It gave me a surprising amount of ease of use compared to having left stick vertically mounted, so I was very excited to see this just casually dropped in a preview email without any mention last month.
Yeah, a bit of a surprise, but in a good way.
Never thought about this type of stick configuration, and I'm interested seeing you go akimbo style with both canted! Almost like you're riding a space motorcycle, or better yet the Dragonfly!
Hopefully the second one arrives shortly
This is perfect! I asked Virpil about such Version in the past and now we can finally use the Z-Axis of the left stick to rise and lower our ship!
Oh my.... so I actually tweaked my left hand stick to be slanted at a right angle.
Just cause it "felt" better.
This is a "must buy" for me.
Thanks Noobifier and Virpil!!
Follow up.
Mine just arrived.
Loved it, instantly.
Not sure I'd use 2?? But for the left hand? Its wonderful.
I have printed one of these for my vkb stick and it has worked really well with absolutely no flex or warp. But I used real mounting hardware from an existing extension so the contact point between the plastic and the metal was much larger.
I've been following your stuff since the very beginning when you were first trying out Okona's custom built left hand warthog grip. This is the first time I've ever been disappointed in essentially anything you've put up - I don't really have an opinion on Virpil's extension but it makes me wonder how you could possibly have printed that piece so that it would disintegrate like that. I am using the 3D printed version myself and it is absolutely rock solid, there is no flex, no give, and especially no disintegration.
I'm sure the Virpil provided part is great, but the 3D printed part is great also and you are doing a disservice to the DIY community with this.
I mean, my point was why use that junk if this is an option.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Because that "junk" is rock solid, and costs .15 cents to print for free.
@@GrimGearheart I bought two of these, they are great
Lol, I literally sent an email to virpil about this 2 months ago. They had some examples of sim set ups in a newsletter they sent me and this was on one of the sticks. And I took a screenshot and asked about it. They said they "had no plans to release it" and that it was just a prototype. Looks exactly the same lol. I am super happy this released personally because I was in the process of trying to build my own. Would not have been as good I imagine. I'm not that crafty. Haha
Can’t wait to see the “dually” test. I never considered a joystick in that position other than seeing them in SciFi ships. I also like the “motorcycle vibe” they present visually.
Did he ever do an update with both? Wondering if it was worth it
This is awesome! Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention!
+BrianMP5T *This new joystick accessory from VIRPIL® Controls is definitely a to-consider for the Universal Simpit concept.* The Z Extension could be the final piece of the puzzle for the left-hand input, to execute a Helicopter-Collective-style thruster control with the Hawk-60® Collective Grip. Virpil still needs to design and make a Hawk-60 Cyclic Grip (to match Lockheed Sikorsky and Boeing Vertol cyclic-grip switchology), which I'd need to build the Roll-Pitch column of a notional Northrop F/A-54 pilot station (a theoretical extrapolation from what Grumman actually did in the G-391 (USDoD: F-14D) Enhanced Fleet Defender).
Podracer configuration 😲❤, makes flight inputs feel very....organic. thank you for the review
Good stuff Noob, thanks for taking the time to review it! I love my Virpil setup, it’s the ultimate for flying in SC IMO…
And I thought the new 'sneak peak' by CIG the other day was the grip from their next Gravlev. Now we know ;)
This is awesome! I did this mod with my Alphas when i bought them and sent virpil photos and ideas and now it's a product! (made mine from stainless though as i'm a fabricator)
People must have printed off good enough versions if it got popular enough for Virgil to take note. A bit like the hydraulic dampener add-on for the MFG crosswinds that are now an extra option. This would be the type of things I'd try a print and if I liked the feel would upgrade to something official.
Oh noob, we need this UT I already have mine via 3d printed version awhile a go, but good virpil made it for you all.
I like how long that is. Main reason I upgraded from my t16000ms to the VKB was for that Omni
Only thing I would worry about is prolonged use will induce a pull to the outside.
Hey Noob, I actually went out and got two of these, knew I'd like one, and giving two a go for now.
Another high quality piece from Virpil. I use the cosmo SIM springs in my warBRD bases and so the weight was a little off of centre on the x-axis. Easily fixed in Virpil software, just set the new resting position of the x-axis as "centre". Job done, no further tweaks needed.
I'm not convinced that the z-axis is usable in the positive direction.. it's not natural to twist the wrist up/back in that direction. But it's working, (has too, as I've no pedals)..
Adjust the angle and they will center out. The Z will also work when this is done
This is pretty cool. Thanks for the video/review, Noob!
As a fellow printer enthusiast. Yeah threads never work, only way I would see this work is the stronger stuff like polycarbonate.
I've seen similar products in the past and they always looked like overpriced garbage. This is the first time I've seen someone seriously attempt to manufacture an angled extension that might actually hold up to extended use. Thanks for the product review, NOOB.
Your hands naturally angle at 65 degrees +/- 5, which actually shows a Joystick is more natural then a tendonitis causing keyboard.
The Extension will allow you to angle it at your discretion that will fit you individually which is the best part of this design.
I noticed the imbalance of the LH and maybe a counter weight will be added in the next design?
There is no real need IMO for more weight. Just adjusting the tilt a bit makes this sit level
I saw some people on reddit making mods like these for VIrpil controls. Makes perfect sense to me. I'll probably buy one for both sticks if I ever get the money for a set of Alphas.
Just when you think you might have everything you need something else comes along. Thanks for the 📹
Merry Christmas
This is the innovation gaming peripheral needs. Too bad it doesn't happen in most genres, but finally I got an intuitive way to use a HOSAS!
Because originally, HOSAS has only 2 axes we can intuitively associate with up and down and 4 with left and right, like this it's finally 3/3 which is the motions we do.
Thanks alot noob, as always you are very informative direct and straight to the point.
Because of this I generally take what you say as fact after I tested alot of your other points.
Keep up the great work that you do!!!
Thanks for showing this and explaining it.
Glad it was helpful!
When buying my sticks I considered standard sticks, but opted for the "Motorcycle" feel of duel VKB's Omni's
weeoo god damn virpil never compromises. love it.
thanks for the vid!
Centering is my main concern, I feel like I expect it to add additional strain the springs in my base.
It works great at a normal angle
What we need is a dedicated translation hand controller that slides in 3 axes, like the ones in NASA spacecraft (but hotas style, with buttons/hats)
I first saw something similar to this over a year ago that someone made themselves and thought it was very interesting. I've been using a Gladiator-K left stick for my HOSAS setup and the introduction of this got me to finally order a second Alpha for my left hand.
I saw that you used a helicopter collective grip on yours. What do you see as the advantage to doing that? To me, losing the twist fucntionality negates the major reason I'd use it.
Whelp... I said I wasn't going to spend any more on virpil till I could buy without converting my money to euros and not have to pay to ship overseas. But dang it this is what I've been wanting since I got my hosas set up for space sim.
interesting product, inho specially for twist users for the vertical strafe. it seems it would make the twist more intuitive (not left right for up/down)
At first the twist for vertical movement may seem weird, but after a while it is completely natural. When it comes to operating things like cranes and other heavy machinery, your controls hardly have any resembalance of the actuall movments and it may take a while at first to get used to it, but once you get used to it it's completely natural.
I personally have the opposite concern with the twist axis in this settup. I am worried that the twist axis would be harder to use.
Oh my! Grav Lev motorcycle handles including twist throttle!!! That would be epic!
This is also interesting for fixed-wing ga pilots because of weird control setups like the cirrus sr22 not really fitting into any traditional joysticks in my mind.
Got mine. It's brilliant.
glad to see this catching on.
although my method is a bit more obscure. I use aluminum extrusion mounts, and wanted to be able to tilt my joystick for certain circumstances.
got myself a $15 aluminum pivot bracket, now both my joysticks (and my throttle if I want) can tilt, and untilt. takes about 10 seconds to change the angle.
held in place just as solidly as they are without the pivot bracket.
pics or it didint happened ;-)
@@DrPet80 I have pictures, no idea how to share them here. I think youtube is automatically screening out my imgur links
I am intrigued! Please share your experiences in SC. How precise does it feel using thrust? In dogfights? Is it slower when you need to yank the stick really fast? How does rotating feel (while flying) on this configuration? And when the stick is to one side and you need to rotate the alpha? Etc...
I am intrigued!!
Its not slower at all. You hand is in the exact same location, just angled.
Did you have a chance to test the dual z-extension configuration? I'm wondering if it will be intuitive for the right hand, since it feels like it will completely change the way wrist "axis" translates to joystick movement. I'm definitely getting one for the left hand, with the new gimbal clutch to emulate the way throttle works.
This looks like it would make up-and-down strafing so much smoother
VKB is making a Left Gladiator stick setup like this, but it's molded plastic to one angle built into their grip based on teaser photos =( I want one for my VKB Gunfighter gimbals because it's more like the Virpil so you can attach it or remove it as desired. Had same luck with iffy 3d printed parts and willing to lay the extra couple dollars for sturdy metal. The other perk of the sideways stick is easier control panel access in smaller sim pits.
So tempted to buy one of these, but I think it would mean changing the whole monster tech system I have bolted to my chair, mainly the keyboard swivel mount
As an owner of the same mounts, who also wants this kind of setup, I don't think it will cause an issue. It looks like most of the grip remains off to the left, and unless you mount it very very low, you shouldn't get any interference
Ordered one Jan 4th, Should land Feb 4th on the California west coast. About a 30 day lead at time of post.
Interesting product from Virpil. I was wondering what it was for exactly also. Your reviews are very helpful and informative. Many thanks! 🙂
I have a set of printed adaptors that work very well but the all metal is too nice to pass on so I ordered a set
I bought the Virpils, per your experience. Did I understand you that the Twist is locked out so no Roll? Thanks again for all your help.
Twist “Can Be Locked” but it isn’t locked by default
They always make good quality stuff
quiete handy but i find pedals now way better approach for throttel and for strafing for me the normal shape is enought .
I would not have thought to use a collective grip with this. I like the idea but I didn't think the collective grips have a twist axis so wouldn't that leave it one axis short.
Christmas came early, this looks AMAZING.
i literaly spent all night yesterday looking for somethin like this and didnt find anything that wasn't 3d printed...
so i bought 2 of them
I got one and it has twist axis.
It's AWESOME!
ordered one of these when the announcement vid dropped
To make an omni throttle with that, do you remove the springs ? Or you use soft springs and adjust friction ? Or other combinaison ?
I like it, but it would be cool if they offered one with a second knuckle that would allow a full 90 degree horizontal platform. Although I’m sure the 45 degree would be sufficient for most.
It lays practically flat if you like.
Curious about chair mounted setups and if the ergonomics make sense
I can look into it
If I was able to pick up Virpil's then I'd look at something like that. Seems pretty cool. It will be a while for me though. Enjoy!
I think my next setup is going to be dual Constellation Alpha Prime's with dual z-extension on both.
I am planning a short video on this..
When you play SC, do you use GameGlass ?
Are VBK Gladiator Joysticks good ?
Which Joystick do you recommend ? I have about 150$ for HOSAS.
Noobifier and Morphologis are one of the few Star Citizen content Creators I bother to actually listen too. (STLYoungblood and Starjump, but the first only occasionally and the 2nd isn't a news content creator)
Thanks for the vote of confidence
I like the concept alot. Once we have a release date for SQ42 I will conider investing into something like this... until then I am fine with keyboard and mouse.
My god, by the time SQ42 is out, we won’t be playing on joysticks… it will be something new
Do you recommend these on the WarBRD-D Base or the MT50 Base?
Please, please, please, please, please tell me that thing can be rotated back 90 degrees to simulate a helicopter collective?
my thoughts exactly
I suppose so, but you could just go get the SHARKA50 if you really want that.
An interesting idea. Not touched my HOTAS setup for a long time now. I actually have two sets, an X52 and an X52 Pro. Perhaps it is possible to run two of these sticks (and no throttle? or perhaps throttle is possible with two sticks?)
I have known for ages that two sticks will be my preferred option to pilot in the Verse, must be about time to dig into this situation :)
Just for now it seems my PC's RAM is faulty and cannot load into the Verse for more than about 15 seconds before crashing. Fixing this soon !
My question would be more about the height difference between the stick and base versus using the Z extension. At the lowest setting on the Z Extension, what is the difference in height from the neck of the Alpha Grip (where your thumb/index finger both touch the stick)?
Lower overall
Ok that is awesome bro!!!!
Rant about the fact that you do not like 3D printed file that actually seems to had kicked Virpil into making their own version - and you found it to be solid idea?
Maybe some credits should be given to those people
I did..
Noob, thanks for the video. I'm a little curious but I do like my virpil throttles. That said I have one burning question - during your Alpha grip review you never talked about how Star citizen does not allow use of the thumbstick if the main stick is deflected at all. Basically it seems like it locks out input to the thumbstick if you pitch/yaw/etc. What do you use the thumbstick for? I bought the alpha grip after your review but was very disappointed to find this out for myself. I had hoped to use it for free look but for SC its virtually worthless tasks while piloting.
I don’t use the thumb stick for anything. You could bind it in ED for zoom and a bunch of things such as power target. CIG hasn’t really made any progress with optimizing their bindings in the past three years. I am hoping that they do soon so we can use all these extra features
I love how he calls out 3d printing out, but I would argue that most of his gripes could be addressed with a better design for printing and some off the shelf hardware to clean up those mechanical connections. The plastic chosen will also make a large difference in the quality. PLA, PETG and ABS, while very good printing materials, arent as effective at long term, high fuctionality parts. Maybe ASA, cfn, would provide better untuned results. But an engineered process and careful hardware considerations could make for a great mod for high end settups. Spaceships and their interiors are being 3d printed now, so i dont think a generic price to quality comparisons are wise or fair to what the 3d printing process can and cant achive. Design, experimentation and consistantcy will make for quality, functional mods. Not a quick, rapid print that can be designed and installed on a weekend.
He, like me? The metal part is sold for $40, it makes no sense to mess around with printed parts.. just get the metal ones
This is a very interesting product to me, I have also been searching for the best space sim setup for ages.
The angle does feel like it would be more natural and makes sense when you have 2 sticks.
I forgot that that side-stick jets IRL have very *very* small throw, of only a few centimeters, for obvious reasons,
the long throw of current sticks *aboslutely does not* jive with side sticks (or twitchy combat), so that is one pain point when it comes to dual sticks.
The other problem is that the Z (twist) axis of sticks is not ergonomic and hurts your hands if used excessively... This could work out better..
Because it now is more like a motorcycle throttle, but still a bit awkward, mainly because you have many axis on one hand.
I think the design they picked for 3D printing was terrible and makes no sense, when you have a material with such low tensile strength like plastic,
(and is flexible), you really can't have steep over-hangs for that, and you need to do a better job of centering the weight. Or at-least counterbalancing it.
In this regard I think virpl could do more to add a weight bias to the center, or moving the whole stick (and the center of weight with it) inwards.
Besides that my concern is that the joysticks are designed with upright ergonomics in min, and might not be nearly as comfortable used sideways.
Especially if you can't add a z offset.
Anyhow, glad people are innovating.
Something has been bothering me though. Imagine you're flying a high performance space ship in real life. You have 6 axis of freedom and very high G-forces to deal with,
now your up-down G-force optimized stick has to content with left-right, forward-back. How do you correct for your hand being pulled in the opposite direction of acceleration?
(Whilst on the stick).
I use my rudder pedals (toe brakes specifically) for forward/back thrust. Just like a car.
It was ridiculously fast, developing "muscle memory" for this axis of movement - driving a car every day.
My left stick controls: up/down, right/left.
Right - yaw/pitch/roll
This angled handle "might" change my configuration.
@@lordfraybin Yes i think pedals are necessary for an optimal setup, I have yet to get any though...
@@Mallchad Myself and Noobifier can attest - Virpils pedals are excellent.
I have personally been experimenting with various hotas/hosas configurations for years now, in SC.
It's almost as fun as playing the game proper.
Discovering what works best for me.
One piece at a time.
These make sense to me, in terms of ergonomics, but as you say, the centring might be tricky.
Only if you decide to put a really fat grip on it like a TMWH
honestly i think is awesome this product so glad they made it
Looks interesting. Curious as to how your left stick axis binds are setup. Mine are strafe forward, back, left and right, with the twist being up and down. I feel like the forward and back would be nice with it but the left and right and twist would feel odd.
Twist works perfect
I like how you sound like how it's made lol and the way you do the videos to kinda like it
I saw VKB do this and I have VKB sticks and have been waiting for it
Just found out that Virpil is a Belaruse based company.... so yeah, there's that sadly. But since VKB has the same feature i'll now look closer at those. Just want more quality than the regular and poorly executed Logitech things that are great up to a certain point. Used my X52 pro for about 7 years now. It still works fine-ish but rather get a new HOTAS now than being stuck without one all of the sudden.
VKB is a Russian company, so yeah, there’s that sadly. Virpil has flat out Denounced the war and even changed their corporate logo from Red to Blue/ Yellow. I think you should get whatever stick is best for you.
sweet. i just ordered my constellation alpha with that Z extention with the needed base for my left hand as an addition.
noob, do you have an idea how to set up a multi layered setup on your bindings on sc? something like if i hold a certain button, my binding appear to affect the shilds instead of the power triangle. i hope you get my idea..
I mean you can add that with a modifier. Honestly, I believe you will find that to become too complex. Had you thought just about using the keyboard for the more mundane functions? I still use Keyboard for landing gear and a bunch of other stuff
Does the twist axis work like a motorcycle throttle now? Because spacebike.
@TheNOOBIFIER1337 what table are you using?
Want to upgrade my old warthog. I only play space games. Why is this better than a standard throttle? (Good video, by the way).
Looks cool. Just, personally, for me, I don't see the point. My hands feel really natural on two upright sticks. (FFS that sounded way worse than inside my head.) I wouldn't buy these, even if I had the Virpil sticks. But it's really, really cool that they exist because other people like them, and Virpil did a very good job here.
Try it. I thought the same
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I use my left stick x axis bound to strafe left-right, and y axis bound to strafe up-down. I think having the stick at 45 degree angel would just make it worse for me. I can see the point if you use y-axis as fwd/reverse thrust, but I have pedals for that.
@@AnnaVahtera The point of the angled adapter is mainly to separate the direction of input for the x and z axis. When a stick is upright, both the x-axis and z-axis input direction is a left/right motion (tilt left/right and twist left/right). When a stick is angled enough (more than 45 degrees) then the z-axis twist input direction becomes an up/down motion, rather than a left/right motion. This makes for a very intuitive 3-axis control scheme because you can match the direction of input to the direction of output for all 6 degrees of motion. BUT, if you already have your muscle memory built around y-axis fwd/rev input for ship strafe up/down, and you aren't using the twist z-axis, then this angled setup will likely mess with you! :-D
I'm one of the community members who designed and printed my own angled adapter a while ago (for VKB Gunfighters though, not Virpil). Glad to see that Virpil is adding the option, though it's definitely not for everyone. Two axis on a left stick + pedals is a great option!
robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/50174/thread/vkb-gunfighter-3-axis-throttle-adapter
@@AP-if4pm Oh, it makes more sense now. And even more sense why I would not benefit from it, since I don't use the Z-axis at all. I have my left stick bound to only X: strafe left/right, Y: strafe up/down, and a couple of buttons. Twist is not used at all. I have forward/backward thrust on my pedals.
This is very interesting. I was wondering how well it would translate to Star Citizen
Interesting product for sure, Just to confirm all the axis of the stick still work with the attachment including the twist Z axis?
Yes. If the grip supports it
So it allows your spacecraft to strafe side to side? Then the ultimate versatility would be a controller that allows it to go up and down as well.
It changes nothing. You have the same control, but it’s bent on its side
Did you ever end up doing dual z-extensions?
Yes, but it takes up more space which forced me to lower my keyboard and mouse. It improved my ergonomics and broke parts of it elsewhere. I ended up going back to standard.
Hey Noob, im considering getting more immersed in SC, I don’t want to spend all my money on an overall upgrade and I dont want to break the bank as well. I would also rather do it incrementally. What would you recommend first, a joystick, a set of joystick or an ultrawide monitor?
I really enjoy your content and input!
Thanks!
Go ultrawide; your entire computing experience will improve, not just SC. Also the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is a really good value starter stick (like $35 USD), so why not both? ;)
As one of the people who designed a 'rubbish' stick (though not the design you showed), I'm keen on this style of extension for Space sims.
I'll be interested to see how you get along with a two extension HOSAS, of these, since I only use one in my left hand.