What I can appreciate about this video is that shows his interpretation of a possible application- whether for Wild Horse's Mane or Diagonal Flying, which it's not my place to agree nor disagree with, as he made a disclaimer that this is just his perspective. The part I appreciate specifically is the concept of entering, trapping, and striking the ribs. This is great for a Tai Chi practitioner who still hasn't developed a solid root, a strong sense of whole body connectivity in the myofascial tissues, or even peng jin. "Your Tai Chi sucks? PUNCH HIM!" LOL- Jokes aside, no one's gonna convince me that an internal style is going to be THIS limited in its ability to manipulate an opponent, regardless of size. ruclips.net/video/dTP16HPFMms/видео.html The link above shows Chen Ziqiang (admittedly, a very high-level Tai Chi practitioner) effortlessly being immoveable by someone easily 33-50% larger than him in body mass, meanwhile also effortlessly throwing this wrestler- barely sweating, barely huffing or puffing, unlike his training partner. I think the misconception many people have about the internal styles is that "what you see is what you get"- which is mostly generally true for external styles. Copy the choreography, use your muscles, throw your weight around, test your technique and power against a heavy bag. This is only my humble opinion but this is decidedly NOT TRUE for Tai Chi, Xingyi, or Bagua. If your Wuji is weak, if your Santishi is weak, if your Mud Stepping is weak.. you don't have sung, you can't sink your qi sufficiently enough, and your choreography (which doesn't work without a strong root, sung, peng jin) is empty. THAT SAID- We are all trying to demystify rare and dying martial arts (neijiaquan styles), and I can't see the harm in experimentation and an open dialogue. Train well, my brothers and sisters in wushu. JIAYOU!
I agree with you and I always say that Kung Fu applications are only limited by your skill and your understanding. That said the clip you provided is a grappling session and this is about striking. You seem knowledgeable so I'm sure you understand the difference. It's far easier to employ your internal skill when the opponent bridges for you. Much harder when you have to find the bridge harder still when the opponent is trained, and harder still when you're the little guy. Admittedly though my Wuji is weak, my Santishi is weak, my Mud Stepping is weak.. I don't have sung, I can't sink your qi sufficiently enough, and my choreography (which doesn't work without a strong root, sung, peng jin) is empty.
Dear Chi Body, The application shown in this video is not for the form "the Wild Horse's Mane", but for "Diagonal Flaying". This mistake is done often. :-) Sometime man shows the application for the Diagonal Flying and call it as the Wild Horse's Mane.
Diagonal flying, part horse's main, and ward off are very similar in application and my teachers at least have always said the difference is a matter of degree. In fighting a boxer, I suspect that most taiji players would be unable to successfully execute these in a way that distinguishes one from another. Yang Jwing Ming doesn't even distinguish between them in his "Tai Chi Chuan Martial Applications " book. Feel free to disagree, but until these techniques can be reliably done in sparring, it's a distinction without a real difference.
Unfortunately I have to agree with the other two comments here. This is a poor demonstration of Part Wild Horses Mane. Worse still this is unlikely to work in real life.
What I can appreciate about this video is that shows his interpretation of a possible application- whether for Wild Horse's Mane or Diagonal Flying, which it's not my place to agree nor disagree with, as he made a disclaimer that this is just his perspective. The part I appreciate specifically is the concept of entering, trapping, and striking the ribs. This is great for a Tai Chi practitioner who still hasn't developed a solid root, a strong sense of whole body connectivity in the myofascial tissues, or even peng jin. "Your Tai Chi sucks? PUNCH HIM!" LOL- Jokes aside, no one's gonna convince me that an internal style is going to be THIS limited in its ability to manipulate an opponent, regardless of size.
ruclips.net/video/dTP16HPFMms/видео.html
The link above shows Chen Ziqiang (admittedly, a very high-level Tai Chi practitioner) effortlessly being immoveable by someone easily 33-50% larger than him in body mass, meanwhile also effortlessly throwing this wrestler- barely sweating, barely huffing or puffing, unlike his training partner.
I think the misconception many people have about the internal styles is that "what you see is what you get"- which is mostly generally true for external styles. Copy the choreography, use your muscles, throw your weight around, test your technique and power against a heavy bag. This is only my humble opinion but this is decidedly NOT TRUE for Tai Chi, Xingyi, or Bagua. If your Wuji is weak, if your Santishi is weak, if your Mud Stepping is weak.. you don't have sung, you can't sink your qi sufficiently enough, and your choreography (which doesn't work without a strong root, sung, peng jin) is empty.
THAT SAID- We are all trying to demystify rare and dying martial arts (neijiaquan styles), and I can't see the harm in experimentation and an open dialogue. Train well, my brothers and sisters in wushu. JIAYOU!
I agree with you and I always say that Kung Fu applications are only limited by your skill and your understanding.
That said the clip you provided is a grappling session and this is about striking. You seem knowledgeable so I'm sure you understand the difference. It's far easier to employ your internal skill when the opponent bridges for you. Much harder when you have to find the bridge harder still when the opponent is trained, and harder still when you're the little guy.
Admittedly though my Wuji is weak, my Santishi is weak, my Mud Stepping is weak.. I don't have sung, I can't sink your qi sufficiently enough, and my choreography (which doesn't work without a strong root, sung, peng jin) is empty.
you can use your knees when you are behind him sir.
Thank you for the suggestion.
very nice explanation but the body mechanic doesn't relate to the movement in the form
Dear Chi Body, The application shown in this video is not for the form "the Wild Horse's Mane", but for "Diagonal Flaying". This mistake is done often. :-) Sometime man shows the application for the Diagonal Flying and call it as the Wild Horse's Mane.
Diagonal flying, part horse's main, and ward off are very similar in application and my teachers at least have always said the difference is a matter of degree. In fighting a boxer, I suspect that most taiji players would be unable to successfully execute these in a way that distinguishes one from another. Yang Jwing Ming doesn't even distinguish between them in his "Tai Chi Chuan Martial Applications " book. Feel free to disagree, but until these techniques can be reliably done in sparring, it's a distinction without a real difference.
mouvements incorrects !
aucune stabilité
ne correspond pas avec les mouvements imposés du Taiji Quan 24
Unfortunately I have to agree with the other two comments here.
This is a poor demonstration of Part Wild Horses Mane.
Worse still this is unlikely to work in real life.
He would elbow you in the face. You have never done tai chi.