Saying that he was planning to launch his missiles was just the Russian cover story. His real motive all along was to give the Americans the technology for the caterpillar drive, so we could detect any future attempts to launch the missiles.
OHHHHHHH I didn't understand what defect was meaning.. I thought it was to go off orders and I was REAL confused why we were friends at the end lololol
@@awkwardashleighRamius knew that the cold war would be a stalemate as long as both sides were equal. So he wanted the US to have the stealth technology through Soviets had discovered. If one side had an advantage an actual shooting War would break out!
Sam Neill played the part of the 1st Officer on the Red October. In this movie Sam Neill's character wanted to live in Montana. Sam Neill's character was digging fossils in Montana in the opening scene of Jurassic Park.
Hey Ashleigh, if it helps dispel some confusion, the letter that Ramius sent to Adm. Pedorin in Moscow announced his intentions to give the Red October to the Americans and to ask us for political asylum (to defect), in order to to negate its stealthy ability to start World War 3 by giving us this silent propulsion technology. Ramius was never trying to start a war, he was trying to prevent one starting from a Soviet first strike. The lie that he was trying to start a war was just what the Soviets told the Americans about him, so they could enlist our help hunting him down. He sent the letter in order to keep his officers in line, so they wouldn't chicken out and abandon the plan, by cutting off their ability to back out. He did this entire plan on the anniversary of his wife's death because it was substandard Soviet hospital care that caused her demise while he was at sea. So he also was holding a little bit of a grudge against his own country, and did not trust them to wisely use this technology. Also, his 'political officer' (an actual role on Soviet subs) Putin, for whom he staged the broken neck from slipping on spilled tea, was not our Putin today (this was written in the 80s, when our Putin was a relatively secret KGB guy). It was just a coincidental Russian last name used for the character. Jack guessed how Ramius was going to get his crew off the sub (only the officers were in on the plot), by faking a reactor leak. Jack jazzed up Ramius' plan by having the frigate put a shot across Red October's bow, and then drop a torpedo from a helicopter, which Adm. Greer (James Earl Jones) remote-detonated before it could harm the sub. Capt. Tupelov showing up in his sub the Konovalov was a fortunate accident for the plan, because after Ramius had enraged his old pupil into arming his missiles in the tube, disabling their safety features as to when they would go armed (normally calculated to do so when they were nearer their targets), his second shot prompted the Dallas to do an 'emergency blow' (subs go up quickly in an emergency by blowing compressed air into their water ballast tanks, squirting out the heavier water in order to quickly float up) to distract the Konovalov's torpedo. Then after Konovalov blew itself up, the rescued crew of the Red October thought the explosion was their ship. So, beyond Jack's plan for Greer to detonate his helicopter-dropped torpedo, Konovalov provided an even bigger show for the crew. This left Red October secretly captured by the U.S., the Konovalov a stand-in for the supposedly blown-up Red October, and the Konovalov itself listed as missing without explanation. Ramius then at the end helps the U.S. Navy understand the technology, becoming a consultant. And in the books, even became a family friend of the Ryans, with Jack's little girl calling him Uncle Marko. 😎
Also explained in the book: Ramius defected because his wife died of a botched appendicitis surgery, the surgeon was drunk. The surgeon got away with it because his family was really high in the Soviet political power structure, higher than Ramius and his wife who were related to a high ranking navy officer. Nepotism and all that.
There's no way to dispel ALL the confusion demonstrated in this video. * Yes, anti-sub aircraft is a thing. - "The rotors will generate enough static electricity....." - "WHAT?? So... Submarines carry static electricity?" NO!!! Rotors are the big spinning things on helicopters. They can generate (create / make) static electricity. 😡😡🤬 "We're not going to prosecute him for war crimes??" - what war crimes?
@@ianbelanger7459 The transition was done as an homage to a similar transition used in the film "Judgment at Nuremberg" (but I agree, Connery's accent was a real problem).
@@ianbelanger7459 I believe it was done because they didn't want a movie that would be 50% subbed. There are too many people who just aren't used to subtitles and would have a hard time following the plot. But yeah, their Russian is very bad and Connery's is the worst.
This isn't an apology for her, but I said this in a few comments. It isn't her fault-they aren't teaching much in school anymore. I have college kids working for me that no less than I did in grade 5! (That's not me saying I'm some kind of genius-these kids are pretty smart, but basic math isn't taught them (they can't make change), social studies (history, and general knowledge) has not been taught, and so much more.
@@richardstarkey2247Back when I was in first grade I confused Eisenhower with Khrushchev. As Billy Joel wrote “Cold War kids were hard to kill, under their desks in an air raid drill”. Guess all bald guys look alike.
@chrisconnell1075 TY Chris, I have never seen so may comments misunderstand Ramius' reasons for defecting, the notion that the Cold War only involved the USA/Russia never ceases to amaze me...
Ashleigh's problem was that she didn't understand what "defect" meant. Not the first 20-something I've seen react to this movie and get confused on the same point. The Cold War and it's terminology have been over for 30+ years.
@@MrHws5mp But even without knowing what the term means (which btw. could have been googled) there's plenty of dialogue here that would have made clear what it means. The curse of reaction channels striking once again: people talking too much over dialogue.
Ashley, I'm a retired submariner. I have always answered the question "What's it like on a sub?" with, "take Hunt for Red October and Down Periscope, and mash em together."
@i_love_rescue_animals body odor, not really. A nuclear sub has a massive charcoal bed air filter as part of the air ducting. Also, smells like that that usually build up slowly, so you really don't notice them. What really stands out, is fresh air pulled in whenever the snorkel mast is used to pull in outside air.
As you know, the Typhoon class was a monster, designed to spend many months hiding beneath the Arctic ice cap. It had many features to keep the crew active to avoid the boredom of such long periods of inaction, while waiting for THAT signal.
@Feargal011 yup. Our Ohio class does too. Just not to the extent a Typhoon did. The one I was on had a movie library, book library, two each of treadmill, elliptical, bike, and rowing machines. That doesn't even cover what the crew bought.
Well from a starting point of not knowing what a periscope is I think Ashley did pretty well to genuinely enjoy it and want to watch it again. I too was surprised by how much she didn’t know, which I thought was common knowledge, but I grew up on this stuff so I guess I have no frame of reference.
During filming, several of the actors portraying U.S.S. Dallas crewmen took a cruise off the coast of San Diego on the U.S.S. Salt Lake City (S.S.N.-716) a real Los Angeles-class submarine. To help Scott Glenn train for his role as the Dallas's commander, the real commander of the Salt Lake City, Thomas Fargo, ordered his crew to treat Glenn as equal rank, first giving reports to Fargo, then give the same report to Glenn. Glenn based his performance of Captain Bart Mancuso on Commander Fargo, giving orders in a calm, even voice -- even in tense situations; saying, "whatever good happened in the performance, basically I owe to now Admiral Fargo, thank you sir."
“Sean Connery is in this?? I wonder if I’ll recognize him! -said AFTER a long closeup of Sean Connery’s face 😂 Whoops…I see someone else beat me to this. Still hilarious. Update: In case there's any confusion, I posted this with affection for Ashleigh, not to mock her. She's awesome.
That's what happens when people like her would rather blab non-stop instead of paying attention to what she's watching. Connery even spoke before the opening credits but she was still clueless. Thats when I bailed out. Needs people to "comment below" to explain the obvious. Millennials...smh.
@@film-maniac hey, no need to be mean about it! My comment was made affection. Ashleigh also often has deep insights which I never would have thought of.
@danielmccurdy862 not a boomer, Brainiac. So yeah, you are the type that would think riffing, digressions, conversing with characters, laughing at her own dumb remarks, commentaries are "reactions." Fortunately, there are a handful of people doing genuine reactions. I'll leave you to the shriekers
I first saw him in the 1975 film "The UFO Incident". I remember at the time being amazed at how deep, resonant, and beautiful his voice was. I was like "this dude could read the phone book and ppl would be spellbound."
You missed a lot. Tom Clancy's novel, "Hunt for Red October", was so technically accurate that US Intel services were concerned. He wrote subsequent best selling novels that were both technically accurate and so geopolitically astute as to be virtually prophetic.
Tom Clancy's novels get into a lot of very technical detail on some pretty deep classified stuff. Many years ago, I supported a computer that was installed at a "black site" doing some serious above-top-secret stuff (compartmented/codeworded) that I had to do a serious security check for before installing and working on the computer. One of the things in my briefing to be "read into" the program involved a bit of technology that was, at the time, critical to our security and surveillance of the Russians and their buddies. We weren't allowed to bring phones, calculators, or watches into the facility and definitely couldn't talk about what we saw inside. When the primary tech supported at that site turned up as a major plot point in a Tom Clancy novel, I finally decided it was OK to talk about it... it was the KH-11 "Keyhole" spy satellite... the first digital tech spy camera in space (and the progenitor of every digital camera we have today, including those in our cellphones).
The Intel folks who interrogated him about how he knew about certain "secret" tech were a bit upset when he pointed to all the publicly available info that he read that they didn't realize was unclassified and some the classified stuff he got right were just guesses he extrapolated from the public info, kinda like our novel/movie's hero.
The Typhoon Class Submarine is the largest submarine in the world. Your conclusions on the movie are way off, Se an Connery's character wanted to defect, because the Red October was designed to start WWIII. His objective was to take that capacity away from the Soviet Union, and level the playing field by giving it to the US.
Note that the Soviets actually called the Typhoon "Akula", a bit of mockery of NATO who had mistakenly used that name for the smaller, far faster attack sub.
@@kevinrodriguez5288 At the time, total nuclear arsenals totalled about 70 000 warheads. Most were in the 0.5-2.0 Mt range, due to inaccuracies in targetting. Nuclear missile boats carried possibly 2 000 warheads total. Their ability was to strike at military bases - especially nuclear missile silos - before the opponent could retaliate. USSR missile boats threw NATO into a panic, forcing development of relocatable strategic missiles between silos on each launch base, whereas the Soviets invested in fully mobile missiles. Today's ~7 500 missiles are evenly split between mobile and fixed missiles, largely due to missile boats and the threat they pose to anyone else's strategic missile and air force based arsenal.
Repeating commands back to the captain and bosun is important because it allows the captain to be certain his command was heard correctly. If the command repeated back is different than the actual order given, the captain can repeat the command to correct it. This is especially critical when performing maneuvers in tight places like going through the underwater canyon, where inches can make a difference.
There's another detail that didn't make it into the cut of the movie, but was clearly spelled out in the book. The "Cook" was in truth a GRU Intelligence Officer (GRU is the Russian military version of the KGB). The Russians are very distrusting of their military, thus they often imbed GRU officers into the crew. In this case the GRU knew what the official "Orders" were, and thus knew that Ramius was deviating from them. That's why he sabataged the Catapiller Drive earlier in the movie. Then when the Officers went back down with the ship he had stayed aboard to stop Ramius from whatever he was doing.
Having an 'official' political officer on board, plus one or even more unofficial ones was common practice during the Cold War. Often the unofficial ones were being kept in the dark about the others as well. They were to report on any activities on board that were not according to the political agenda of the Politburo in Moscow. As such there was incredible mistrust among crew members. Everybody KNEW that the official polit officer would rat them out for anything not aligning with the political guidelines of the party. However it was also known that there was at least one additional member, probably more, reporting unofficially. Thus you couldn't trust ANYONE. Ramius however had trained ALL of the leading officers on board the Red October. As the sub was a prototype class it was considered a high honor to serve on it. Usually only the most vetted seamen and officers would be allowed on board. Ramius being from Latvia he was always suspected of not being completely aligned with the Politburo. He however had great contacts, AND he had a spotless record as an exceptional instructor for all the Soviet submarine commanders. As he basically had taught every commanding officer since the beginning of the Soviet submarine program he was just too highly decorated and connected to refuse his request to command the Red October. As the commanding officer he could put in his request for the officers on his sub which would have to be vetted against their political loyalty. The GRU took careful note of any unwanted activity. That's why Ramius had to remove the official polit officer which was one high officer who could pull rank on him officially and order him to return to base. The polit officer couldn't interfere with the command structure UNLESS he suspected treason. With defection to the other side was very definitely treason especially with a multi-billion prototype submarine in tow.
I always thought that was very clearly implied though. Ramius sets it up by asking how many officers the KGB has on his ship, to which the Politcal Officer tells him he doesn't know. He didn't say there weren't any, Also, Logonov also saw Ramius take both keys for himself, which was a huge red flag.
@@3Rayfire exactly, that was the hints they left in the movie. But they never make reference to him being an agent at the end. And few in the US even knew what the GRU is, which is they added "... or the KGB". In truth it would never be the KGB, but that reference Americans knew at least. But being bookended at the beginning and end of the movie It's been my experience that most ppl don't make the connection.
That's super interesting. I haven't read the book, so it always seemed... odd... that a random cook's assistant decided to sabotage the sub. Though now, everyone is noting the hints - all coming within a very short time - and I feel like a dumbass for not picking up on them.
It amazes me how little history is actually being taught. Ashleigh didn't know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, or what defecting/defection meant. As much as I love her channel, the urge to comment during the reaction often tramples all over important dialogue.
@@joebalusikiii5811 same feeling. I taught myself a lot about the Cold War since I was a little kid, and even I knew what "defect" meant in regards to this.
@@geoffwilliams4478 Quite right. I think I'd already cut her quite enough slack regarding (amongst others) : Pavarotti, Paganini, Is that Churchill?, periscope, scuttle, et al. But the slanderous attack on Ramius was the last straw.
@@dufflepod My facepalming moment was after everything you said, but finally, when we saw who Padorin was in the Red Fleet Headquarters and she was asking, "Is that Churchill? "
After "Red October", check out the other two Jack Ryan movies with James Earl Jones - "Patriot Games" and "Clear and Present Danger". In them Ryan is played by your favorite actor, Harrison Ford, and are very solid spy thrillers.
Plus it's funny.. Darth Vader is Han Solo' boss... And I know it gets hate.. And I know it is very different from the novel but I really did like The Sum of All Fears.
It's an unpopular opinion, but I think Alec Baldwin is a more accurate portrayal of Jack Ryan both from the books and simply from the character's profession. Harrison is a very emotional actor, he plays his parts from the heart. Whereas Baldwin has a more cerebral style of acting. Jack Ryan, being a CIA Analyst, was far more of a mentally processing character than an emotional one. I'm not saying he was cold, but he was constantly thinking and processing in real time what was being said to him and happening around him. Don't mistake me for Liking Baldwin over Harrison. Baldwin is a narcissistic pompous ass, but he was a better fit in terms of acting style than Harrison was.
When the admiral on the carrier said "I'll be in C.I.C." he was referring to the Combat Information Center. As a Navy Operations Specialist that's where I did my job. Basically I operated radar. It was my job to tell the guys firing missiles and guns who to shoot at. Oddly enough I served on 2 carriers (CV-59 & CVN-69). ⚓
Was the Captain's, personal aid. Stopped at the door to CIC by armed guards. You do NOT have clearance to be in here. Captain said he goes where I go. But but... There's Top Secret documents sitting out, right over there... Captain: If he picks one of them up & starts reading it, SHOOT HIM. Otherwise, he's with me. & that was that. (No one on board argues with the captain.)
To have lived through the Cold War is to understand the underlying tone of emotions and suspicion that both sides held toward each other. Most of my Army career was during that time, and the Soviets were my mortal enemy. Even spent time in a border Cav unit, definitely setting a mindset for me that remains, probably for the rest of my life. Listening to their talk is STILL completely understandable to me, even today.
Yes the Dallas and Red October could've communicated with radios, but then the conversation between the Captains would not have been private. They needed privacy because the US had no idea who was involved with defecting alongside Ramius. Since Jack was trying to get the Captain of the Dallas to help Ramius with his defection, they needed to keep things off the air waves. Thus using the periscope running lights and Morse code. The loud pings heard in that scene came from the Red October's active sonar, which sends out a pulse of concentrated sound called a 'ping'. Submarines normally only use passive sonar (just listening to sounds already in the ocean), only going to active (sending out the pings which give them incredibly accurate details of what's around them) when in combat or in areas of absolute safety where it doesn't matter if they give away their position.
But only the ca. 6 hour TV mini-series cut, not the theatrical cut or the directors cut. The longer TV edit simply is the absolute superior version because every scene in "Das Boot" matters. And the shorter cuts are really just a "highlights" compilation.
17:05 No, it was not supposed to be Vladimir Putin. This movie takes place and came out before Vladimir Putin had gained any power. The character in question just happens to share the same last name, a somewhat common Russian surname.
About defecting: Being in the Soviet Union, in any of the Soviet bloc countries, in fact, was referred to as being *_Behind the Iron Curtain._* (East Germany, East Berlin, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Albania, etc.) People were essentially locked in. "Western" news, music, movies, television were all prohibited. Pravda was the "approved," and only, news in the Soviet Union. The KGB was the government's enforcers. People were encouraged to inform on others, co-workers, neighbors, teachers, employers, family members. Often people would simply be just collected up and disappear. Being interrogated by the KGB was something to be avoided. If you weren't killed, you could just be sent to a work camp in Siberia. People weren't allowed to leave the country unless permission was specifically granted. Even athletes for the Olympics were highly vetted before and controlled during their time outside the country. A defector's family and friends that remained behind could bear serious consequences. In this case, Ramius had no family since his wife died to worry about.
And a Wall was built in Berlin, because of divided spheres of influence, to hinder defections. Interesting times growing up, and seeing things on the news..
"Anti-submarine aircraft? That is not real!" They've been around since WW2 😅 It's usually hard for a sub to fight a plane without surfacing, giving anti-sub planes a lot of strategic power in naval combat.
Education has gone downhill. One reaction channel reacting to Back to the Future thought plutonium was a made up substance like vibranium. People just aren’t taught things nowadays.
Not many people understand military structure or capabilities. Just like some people gasp at the idea of naval aircraft or even naval helicopters in general. Some are even shocked that the Army had and still does operate a fleet of ships.
23:54 It’s not in your edit of this sequence but Ramius ordering "sound Collision" gives me chills every time. He knows the October could hit the wall and has accepted it. Truly this movie punches above it’s weight in the world of submarine dramas.
You really had no clue during the entire movie. Sean Connery was planning to defect from the start. He killed the only officer who wasn't in on the defection. Everything he did was either leading to defection, or trying to hide it from his crew.
What a great movie! The method of starting with English subtitles and then suddenly shifting to them speaking English was probably one of the best examples of screen writing I've ever seen. 3D chess level narrative delivery.
the 13th warrior with anthonio banderas has a similar way of shifting. as he learns the launghish of the norsemen it starts to become more english. its a fun and creative way of doing it.
@@lainightwalker5495 That's right... I had forgotten about that. Yes.. I love this method. It's a great way to allow us to enjoy all the visuals and not have to be distracted from them by reading subtitles, yet still maintain the integrity of the characters. Great stuff.
Sean Connery, Marko Remius, Lithuanian by birth. They called him the Vilius School Master. Has nothing to do with being a villain Vilinus is a Town in Lithuania. Marko Remius taught the sub captains for the Soviet naval fleet. Red October marked the first Bolshevik uprising to overthrow the Czar in the early 20th century. That is why they named the sub. Red October. The Order of Lenin, Named after Vladimir Lenin who let the revolution against Czar Nicholas in 1917 , Is the Soviet equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor. Captain Remius is not going to receive the Order of Lenin. He and the officers are trying to defect and give the Americans the ship. Scuttle the ship means to intentionally sink it so The Enemy can not take it. Sean Connery was a Good Guy all along. You really missed the point of this movie. Perhaps you should read the book. Tom Clancy; Hunt For Red October.
The February Revolution overthrew the Czar with the goal of turning Russia into a republic. The October Revolution overthrew the provisional government and brought the Communists to power. Historians still debate the causes of the 1917 revolutions, with one of the biggest arguments being over how much Russian popular dissatisfaction with the government botching its part in World War I had to do with it.
Yes, Ashleigh, you can tour both former war submarines and battleships at many national monuments and parks (seaside, obviously) I've been to several over the years: USS Lexington, Battleship Texas, USS Cavalla. As a side note, the US Navy doesn't want you on their working subs either. Women are banned from serving on military subs in any capacity.
Vilnius is in Lithuania. Lithuania was annexed by Russia during WW2. It regained its sovereignty after the collapse of Russia. Rameos, like other Lithuanians born before WW2, would remember the time when their country was free. Rameos probably maintained a longstanding distain to Soviet Russia and now on the anniversary of his wife's death, he can separate himself from Russia and steal their most advanced submarine in the process by defecting. You need to look at the movie casting. The bearded guy at the submarine depot who lost his leg was the principle in Ferris Beuller's Day Off. Capt of the USS Dallas was in the movie, The Right Stuff. The Washington guy was in the nostalgic Scifi, Logan's Run. Rameos 2nd in Command who got shot was in Jurassic Park. The 2nd soviet sub's captain was the professor in MCU Thor movies.
I HAVEN'T read the book, But apparently his wife's death was his real motivator. Since she died when she shouldn't have, but everyone covered things up so he didn't get justice.....
Ashleigh's response to Tim Curry in _Muppet Treasure Island_ "wait, Tim Curry can sing?", and approximately 37 million people suggested _The Rocky Horror Picture Show_. 😀
The biggest Submarine was 603 feet long and weighed 48,000 tons, with a crew of 160, and carried 20 nuclear rockets (each having a range of 5,300 miles and up to 10 nukes on each rocket, yes that means 200 nukes on 1 sub).
For myself, one of the most humorous things about this entire movie, was casting Sean Connery to play a Russian (Anything), with that thick Scottish accent! He's such an icon, everyone just politely ignores it! R.I.P. to both Mr. Jones and Connery! You've touched so many lives with YOUR amazing Acting/Vocal skills!
To be fair, when learning English as a second or third language, you do tend to acquire the accent of your teacher or the environment of where you learn fluency. It’s like someone from Japan having a Boston accent.
Ramius knew that the cold war would be a stalemate as long as both sides were equal. So he wanted the US to have the stealth technology the Soviets had discovered. If one side had an advantage an actual shooting War would break out!
An Ohio Class Nuclear Sub (the main US Navy Submarine since the early 80's) is 560 Feet Long (almost 2 football fields). The "Red October" Russian Sub is a Typhoon-Class that comes in at 574 Feet Long.
The US Navy Submarine Museum in Groton Connecticut allows you tour the USS Nautilus, the world's first nuclear submarine, in person and it's an amazing museum overall!
Nice, maybe some day. Also if you really wanna feel claustrophobic, there is a WW2 Type VIIC you can enter in Germany, same/(-ish) (type 7) as in Das Boot. There's a list of submarine museums on wikipedia to find one near you around the world.
If you want something older, there's the USS Drum, a WWII sub converted to a museum in Mobile, AL, alongside the USS Alabama, a WWII Battleship. The park also has an aircraft museum, which includes a Lockheed A-12, which was a precursor to the SR-71 Blackbird.
I enjoyed your reactions. As always I think you are one of the best at reactions, and you are so honest with your first impressions. In that sense though I think you missed a few key moments and perhaps how to interpret them. No biggy because we all do it at times. In this film Sean Connery's character was never going to attack anyone. He and a few members of his crew wanted to defect to America. He knew that when the Red October was built that the United States would give anything to get a hold of this technology. But everything had to go perfect to make sure the Americans did not attack the Russian Red October. The Russians lied to the Americans telling them at first that they were just naval exercises. Then they tell them that they lost a sub. Then they tell them that the Captain of the sub had gone mad and they needed help to destroy the sub. In the end though, the Americans realize (largely because of Alec Baldwin's character and his research) that the Russian crew had intended to Defect to the U.S. But they had to make it look like a nuclear accident thereby getting the bulk of the crew off the boat, while only keeping the small crew that planned to defect. The Russian attack sub (the smaller one) through a kink into things, but when they sank that sub the Americans just told the Russians that the sub that sank was the Red October...even though it was not. With the sub that sank falling to depths that no one could explore yet the U.S. knew the Russians just had to take their word for it. Then we stole the Red October and the remaining crew were given citizenship in the U.S. for turning over the sub.
Ashleigh, there are museum submarines (just like museum ships) that you can walk through. Wikipedia has a big chart that will show you lots of places in the USA where you can see a submarine. Also, see the movie Das Boot (The Boat) sometime. It is a German movie about the extreme danger German submarine sailors had to live through.
James earl jones is also in the next 2 movies in this series, "patriot games" and "clear and present danger". Like in this one, he is not the main character. But his performance in "clear and present danger" in particular is excellent.
Top Secret trivia: Darth Vader was a senior CIA operative... and I was never here... Yes, repeating instructions is normal procedure. A testament to great film writing when movie reactors understand much the naval terminology. Wonderful exciting reaction Ashleigh!
Yes, Ashleigh, you can tour a submarine. At the aircraft carrier museum USS Intrepid in NYC, there is also the USS Growler submarine that you can freely walk through. There may be something closer to you in TN, I'm not sure. I know the USS North Carolina battleship is in Wilmington. Not sure if there is a submarine there also.
The repeating of commands is a failsafe. When you're giving a command in the control areas of the sub, you repeat them back to ensure that they were heard accurately.
My grandfather served as a lieutenant on a sub where they filmed some of the scenes for Operation Petticoat. He even made it into one of the scenes! When I was a kid, he took me to a port where I got to tour a real submarine (yes Ashleigh, you can tour a sub!).
"This guuy looks familiar"..Principle in Ferris Beuler's Day Off. "There was another movie with two keys" ..War Games. "This other guy looks familiar".. Sam Neil.
@@danielshea518 Which makes it a reunion for him and Alec Baldwin. They were both in Beetlejuice (even though they only shared about a minute or so of screen time).
And it’s very hard to communicate between to submarines that are underwater. Radio doesn’t work very well under water. Only special frequencies can penetrate through water.
@@ImaCOTV More to the point, if they used radio then everyone on the bridge would hear the message. Ramius is keeping the defection a secret from his crew.
Ashleigh completely misunderstood this movie. How is that possible? It was pretty cut and dry. I guess we could blame it on her generation but I’ll just blame her as a person, lol. I would definitely love for her HUSBAND to film his reaction and we’ll see how he understands it.
I think the verb _defect_ has not been used in the popular press for a good number of years. I can't remember it being part of my schooling, either. First time I watched this, I had to ask my parents what it meant. (They remembered some famous defections, including one that shut down the local airport for the duration. Godunov, 1979, JFK Airport in NYC.) Ms. Ashleigh had no context, missed its meaning and significance to the plot, despite Jack Ryan's outburst of frankness. The rest of the misunderstanding followed.
He was using his real accent in this movie. His British accent was so good that people thought he was British, and the actor who played Mr Sheffield was an American.
Hunt for Red October was part of the Jack Ryan franchise you should react to Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger both have Harrison Ford and James Earl Jones
Thanks for this one! But dear lord what a craptastic week it's been... Maggie Smith, Kris Kristofferson, John Ashton (Midnight Run is a must watch for ya)...
I just heard about Maggie Smith's death today. I thought she might be one we'd have until she was 100 considering she was going strong right until the end.
Modern sonar just listens to the ocean to see what comes in; they almost never use their active sonar (where they send out the ping). Water transmits sounds very well and things can be heard for miles. However, the ocean is a noisy place and sonar operators have to be able to hear one sound among a host of others.
Yea, they also don't use a ping very often unless 100% necessary because it fucks up a lot of wildlife with a mile radius. If you were nearby when one goes off, you'd die.
Former US Coastie here, very impressed by how much submarine tech Ashleigh absorbed in such a short time. It says a lot about the dramatic pacing and exposition of the film. Of course it says a lot about how much Ashleigh processed from jump-street. Wow! An all-time favorite of us sailor types.
This is becoming the "Watching a movie with that annoyingly loud friend of a friend who understands nothing but how to ruin vibes and you spend the whole movie thinking about ways to get them out of your house" Channel.
Fun Fact: "Crazy Ivan" is (or was at least when my dad was serving) a 100% legit russian sub manouver and that is what they called it P.S. :Speaking to my father and they guys he served with, this movie is consistantly named as the most realistic sub movie (stealth drive aside)
It was theorized at the time and the Japanese actually built one (in the 2000's I think). Sure it can remove the iron from your blood but it does work.
Crazy Ivan is what the Americans called it 😉 The Russian name translates to 'verify absence of tracking' because it was used to counter the American tactic of following in the cavitation baffle zone of Soviet subs by making sharp turns to reveal pursuing vessels.
I remember that in the book his casual reference to the SOSUS nets for detecting subs made various US intelligence agencies take notice. I guess it wasn't supposed to be a well known fact that those exist.
Perhaps the most epic film of political intrigue ever made. An all star cast, based on Tom Clancy's epic novel. 😁And the Typhoon depicted is the largest submarine ever put into service.
I think you got a little confused about what Ramius was doing, he wasn't going to attack the US, he wanted to 'defect', which means he wanted to permanently leave his country and go live in the US, at the same time give the Americans the Red October because Ramius knew it would eventually be used to start a war. He was trying to keep the peace ✌️
Clearance higher than top secret: Effectively, there isn't a general clearance title higher than top secret, because everything higher than that is compartmentalised that each individual involved has to have the need to know, and be personally briefed on it by someone involved in the project, usually on site, because they can't take the chance of taking documentation out of secured locations. The closest thing to a higher clearance level is things like the only people not directly involved in something that has clearance to know about it is the President, would probably be the highest you can get, then it expands the list to specific cabinet members, like the foreign secretary and secretary of defence. Or the Joint Chiefs of Staff if it's something military or relevant to national defence. Then it gradually expands the list of people who can know about it based on how sensitive the information is. But in order to be on the list of people who can know about these things you pretty much have to go through the Top Secret vetting process to even be considered. Or be voted into office, because the President automatically has the need to know.
We're in dead icons race here. A few days ago Dame Maggie Smith. Now Kris Kristofferson! A number of times over the years Ashleigh mentioned "Convoy". She may have meant the song. But Peckinpah's movie was a cinematic gem.
So excited! This was my comfort movie in the 90s - great film. For the "two keys" in another movie you can't remember - perhaps the opening for War Games? With Hallowbeans coming, I gotta throw out my wish list: The Frighteners (a light choice for Wednesdays), Angel Heart, and Jacob's Ladder
Two enemy submarines obtained by the US. WW2 German submarine U-505 currently in Chicago. Check out The Fat Electrician’s video about it. Also, check history about the Glomar Explorer and the Soviet sub K-129 (partially salvaged by the US in 1968).
Pavarotti was Luciano Pavarotti, one of the greatest opera singers (a tenor & Italian) who passed away in 2007 from cancer. He collaborated with other celebrities for charity…Eric Clapton, Brian Adams, BB King, Jon Bon Jovi, Elton John, Celine Dion, Queen, Sting, & many others. He was a close friend to Princess Diana & helped her raise money for eliminating landmines worldwide. Paganini was an Italian opera composer from the 1800s. Also I think one of the problems you had was the time period was during the Cold War when the two countries hated each other. The Soviet Union considered everything about us as evil. If you ever watch “The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!” it would help you understand the time period as it sums it up in a nutshell. It’s a comedy starring Alan Arkin (his 1st motion picture), Carl Reiner, & Eva Marie Saint. It’s a classic.
I love you, Ashleigh! 🤣❤️ You seemed so confused at the end. “Why aren’t we holding him [Ramius] for war crimes?” Because he didn’t actually do anything… He was trying to defect. That means “to leave a country, political party, etc., especially in order to join an opposing one.” This was a big thing during the Cold War. The whole thing was a big ruse.
I didn't think that version was very good - not to fault Kris or Barbra, it was just a weak script. For a Kristofferson reaction, I think she'd really enjoy Lone Star. Great movie.
I am fifty years old. I saw this movie on its opening weekend with my dad back in spring 1990. My dad then retired it and copied the tape when it came out. I’ve watched the movie many, many times growing up. I have it on digital now and it’s my favorite movie to put on a cold, rainy day to just relax and maybe take a nap. I say all this because for the first time I just made the BEETLEJUICE connection between Alec Baldwin and Jeffery Jones!!
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Saying that he was planning to launch his missiles was just the Russian cover story. His real motive all along was to give the Americans the technology for the caterpillar drive, so we could detect any future attempts to launch the missiles.
OHHHHHHH I didn't understand what defect was meaning.. I thought it was to go off orders and I was REAL confused why we were friends at the end lololol
@@awkwardashleighRamius knew that the cold war would be a stalemate as long as both sides were equal. So he wanted the US to have the stealth technology through Soviets had discovered. If one side had an advantage an actual shooting War would break out!
@@awkwardashleigh whatabout in memory of john ashton howabout watching Midnight Run
@@awkwardashleigh JAMES EARL JONES , By Dawns Early Light.....
and these non J, E, Jones movies, The Day After 1983, Threads 1984
The international dialing code for Russia is 007
Sean Connery!!! "I wonder if I'll recognize him" 10 sec after seeing him LOL
That made my morning. 🤣
yea think she was to worried about "and hard" to notice who said it
I was about to yell, "YOU JUST SAW HIM!!!"
Classic Ashleigh! 😂
LOL
Sam Neill played the part of the 1st Officer on the Red October.
In this movie Sam Neill's character wanted to live in Montana. Sam Neill's character was digging fossils in Montana in the opening scene of Jurassic Park.
And then helped with a spaceship that can go through a Worm hole Only to discover, it came back from hell
@@WillsonT011 You won't need eyes where we're going.
And he played a flawed villain in Ivanhoe (swedes will know).
@@claudiadarling9441 Where we're going, you won't need eyes to see.
Pretty interesting that Sam Neill tested to play James Bond. And then works with Sean Connery who did play James Bond.
Hey Ashleigh, if it helps dispel some confusion, the letter that Ramius sent to Adm. Pedorin in Moscow announced his intentions to give the Red October to the Americans and to ask us for political asylum (to defect), in order to to negate its stealthy ability to start World War 3 by giving us this silent propulsion technology.
Ramius was never trying to start a war, he was trying to prevent one starting from a Soviet first strike. The lie that he was trying to start a war was just what the Soviets told the Americans about him, so they could enlist our help hunting him down.
He sent the letter in order to keep his officers in line, so they wouldn't chicken out and abandon the plan, by cutting off their ability to back out. He did this entire plan on the anniversary of his wife's death because it was substandard Soviet hospital care that caused her demise while he was at sea. So he also was holding a little bit of a grudge against his own country, and did not trust them to wisely use this technology.
Also, his 'political officer' (an actual role on Soviet subs) Putin, for whom he staged the broken neck from slipping on spilled tea, was not our Putin today (this was written in the 80s, when our Putin was a relatively secret KGB guy). It was just a coincidental Russian last name used for the character.
Jack guessed how Ramius was going to get his crew off the sub (only the officers were in on the plot), by faking a reactor leak. Jack jazzed up Ramius' plan by having the frigate put a shot across Red October's bow, and then drop a torpedo from a helicopter, which Adm. Greer (James Earl Jones) remote-detonated before it could harm the sub.
Capt. Tupelov showing up in his sub the Konovalov was a fortunate accident for the plan, because after Ramius had enraged his old pupil into arming his missiles in the tube, disabling their safety features as to when they would go armed (normally calculated to do so when they were nearer their targets), his second shot prompted the Dallas to do an 'emergency blow' (subs go up quickly in an emergency by blowing compressed air into their water ballast tanks, squirting out the heavier water in order to quickly float up) to distract the Konovalov's torpedo.
Then after Konovalov blew itself up, the rescued crew of the Red October thought the explosion was their ship. So, beyond Jack's plan for Greer to detonate his helicopter-dropped torpedo, Konovalov provided an even bigger show for the crew. This left Red October secretly captured by the U.S., the Konovalov a stand-in for the supposedly blown-up Red October, and the Konovalov itself listed as missing without explanation.
Ramius then at the end helps the U.S. Navy understand the technology, becoming a consultant. And in the books, even became a family friend of the Ryans, with Jack's little girl calling him Uncle Marko. 😎
I can't tell you how glad I am that I didn't have to type all that out....um, what he said. :)
Also explained in the book: Ramius defected because his wife died of a botched appendicitis surgery, the surgeon was drunk. The surgeon got away with it because his family was really high in the Soviet political power structure, higher than Ramius and his wife who were related to a high ranking navy officer. Nepotism and all that.
There's no way to dispel ALL the confusion demonstrated in this video.
* Yes, anti-sub aircraft is a thing.
- "The rotors will generate enough static electricity....."
- "WHAT?? So... Submarines carry static electricity?"
NO!!! Rotors are the big spinning things on helicopters. They can generate (create / make) static electricity. 😡😡🤬
"We're not going to prosecute him for war crimes??"
- what war crimes?
Someone, highlight this comment! Paragraph man has done us proud! 😂
WELL STATED!! Unfortunately, forever confused Ashleigh Burton will probably never see this brilliant comment.
"You heard it hit the hull... and I was never here."
"Yes, Lord Vader." 😆
I was literally reading this right when I got to the point of him saying it.
The transition from Russian speaking to English speaking is so well done. Such a neat idea to make it seamless.
An example of necessity being the mother of invention. The transition was done because Connery's accent was beyond atrocious.
@@ianbelanger7459 The transition was done as an homage to a similar transition used in the film "Judgment at Nuremberg" (but I agree, Connery's accent was a real problem).
And it helps that they found a word that is the same in both English and Russian.
@@ianbelanger7459 I believe it was done because they didn't want a movie that would be 50% subbed.
There are too many people who just aren't used to subtitles and would have a hard time following the plot.
But yeah, their Russian is very bad and Connery's is the worst.
One of my favorite language transitions in all of film.
I love how even after Jack Ryan explained that Ramius means to defect,she still thinks he's trying to start a war.
Ashleigh: Oh my god, is that Churchill?
Me: I... just can't.
I caught that too! The thought of Churchill in the Kremlin definitely gave me a laugh.
Churchill would cry if people thought he was Russian today.
@@richardstarkey2247Churchill would cry if he saw the Britain of today too
This isn't an apology for her, but I said this in a few comments. It isn't her fault-they aren't teaching much in school anymore. I have college kids working for me that no less than I did in grade 5! (That's not me saying I'm some kind of genius-these kids are pretty smart, but basic math isn't taught them (they can't make change), social studies (history, and general knowledge) has not been taught, and so much more.
@@richardstarkey2247Back when I was in first grade I confused Eisenhower with Khrushchev. As Billy Joel wrote “Cold War kids were hard to kill, under their desks in an air raid drill”. Guess all bald guys look alike.
Sean Connery's character never wanted to bomb anyone he just wanted to defect😂
@chrisconnell1075 TY Chris, I have never seen so may comments misunderstand Ramius' reasons for defecting, the notion that the Cold War only involved the USA/Russia never ceases to amaze me...
@isabelsilva62023 I totally understand but, he was just tired of war and didn't want anyone to have such a big advantage
Ashleigh's problem was that she didn't understand what "defect" meant. Not the first 20-something I've seen react to this movie and get confused on the same point. The Cold War and it's terminology have been over for 30+ years.
@@MrHws5mp But even without knowing what the term means (which btw. could have been googled) there's plenty of dialogue here that would have made clear what it means. The curse of reaction channels striking once again: people talking too much over dialogue.
@@MrHws5mp When I first saw it, I understand it. Probably because the movie dubbed version in my language, using the word for "switching sides" :D :D
Ashley, I'm a retired submariner. I have always answered the question "What's it like on a sub?" with, "take Hunt for Red October and Down Periscope, and mash em together."
Wow. I can only imagine. Thank you for your service. I would imagine it stinks in there too - right? With body odor(s) of all kinds?
@i_love_rescue_animals body odor, not really. A nuclear sub has a massive charcoal bed air filter as part of the air ducting. Also, smells like that that usually build up slowly, so you really don't notice them. What really stands out, is fresh air pulled in whenever the snorkel mast is used to pull in outside air.
As you know, the Typhoon class was a monster, designed to spend many months hiding beneath the Arctic ice cap. It had many features to keep the crew active to avoid the boredom of such long periods of inaction, while waiting for THAT signal.
@Feargal011 yup. Our Ohio class does too. Just not to the extent a Typhoon did. The one I was on had a movie library, book library, two each of treadmill, elliptical, bike, and rowing machines. That doesn't even cover what the crew bought.
Thank you, belatedly, for ANY service that required being underwater! I appreciate it.
You should check out a fun submarine comedy with Kelsey Grammer called Down Periscope.
Yes please!
Welcome aboard! 😂
"Is it a biologic?" "...it sounds like a whale!"
The band-aid was holding on the fingernail
Down Periscope is a classic. Hardy Har Har.
It`s funny how you watched the whole movie under the wrong premis about what Ramius`s plan is 🤣
Even after the blatant words to the contrary.
I've seen a few reactors make the same mistake. The main issue is they don't know what "defect" means.
I think, along with other reactors, she doesn't have any (or enough) _geopolitical_ understanding. She COMPLETELY missed the point of the movie...😢😢😢
Well from a starting point of not knowing what a periscope is I think Ashley did pretty well to genuinely enjoy it and want to watch it again. I too was surprised by how much she didn’t know, which I thought was common knowledge, but I grew up on this stuff so I guess I have no frame of reference.
Have you seen her Avengers infinity war reaction?
During filming, several of the actors portraying U.S.S. Dallas crewmen took a cruise off the coast of San Diego on the U.S.S. Salt Lake City (S.S.N.-716) a real Los Angeles-class submarine. To help Scott Glenn train for his role as the Dallas's commander, the real commander of the Salt Lake City, Thomas Fargo, ordered his crew to treat Glenn as equal rank, first giving reports to Fargo, then give the same report to Glenn. Glenn based his performance of Captain Bart Mancuso on Commander Fargo, giving orders in a calm, even voice -- even in tense situations; saying, "whatever good happened in the performance, basically I owe to now Admiral Fargo, thank you sir."
“Sean Connery is in this?? I wonder if I’ll recognize him!
-said AFTER a long closeup of Sean Connery’s face 😂
Whoops…I see someone else beat me to this. Still hilarious.
Update: In case there's any confusion, I posted this with affection for Ashleigh, not to mock her. She's awesome.
That's what happens when people like her would rather blab non-stop instead of paying attention to what she's watching. Connery even spoke before the opening credits but she was still clueless. Thats when I bailed out. Needs people to "comment below" to explain the obvious. Millennials...smh.
Yeah that made me chuckle. I'm glad Ashleigh got a chance to see this film, it's a great one.
@@film-maniac hey, no need to be mean about it! My comment was made affection. Ashleigh also often has deep insights which I never would have thought of.
@@film-maniac It's a reaction video. You want to just watch the movie, just watch the movie. Boomers...smh
@danielmccurdy862 not a boomer, Brainiac. So yeah, you are the type that would think riffing, digressions, conversing with characters, laughing at her own dumb remarks, commentaries are "reactions." Fortunately, there are a handful of people doing genuine reactions. I'll leave you to the shriekers
Not a big role for him, but it illustrates that no matter how big or small a role was, James Earl Jones brought a huge amount of gravitas to it.
I first saw him in the 1975 film "The UFO Incident". I remember at the time being amazed at how deep, resonant, and beautiful his voice was. I was like "this dude could read the phone book and ppl would be spellbound."
A movie that would never be on any list but I loved James Earl Jones in is What the Deaf Man Heard.
Admiral Greer is a mentor and father figure for Jack Ryan in the Tom Clancy novels.
@@izzonj Bernard Abbott in Sneakers. One phone call, and one scene lasting impression of his character. His reaction at their demands 🤣
@@mortimerbrewster3671 I have the VHS bought it because I was on a Memphis belle kick finding movies with all the guys in it. Fell in love with it
“This guy also looks familiar. But I think I know him without facial hair.”
That’s Principal Rooney from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
Jeffrey Jones, noted pedophile. Hence why he's not in anything anymore. Let alone Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
Also he's the dad from Beetlejuice
There we go! I couldn't place him either.
@@ShaunBowm Which is why I was giggling that he was in the same scene with Alec
You missed a lot. Tom Clancy's novel, "Hunt for Red October", was so technically accurate that US Intel services were concerned. He wrote subsequent best selling novels that were both technically accurate and so geopolitically astute as to be virtually prophetic.
Tom Clancy's novels get into a lot of very technical detail on some pretty deep classified stuff. Many years ago, I supported a computer that was installed at a "black site" doing some serious above-top-secret stuff (compartmented/codeworded) that I had to do a serious security check for before installing and working on the computer. One of the things in my briefing to be "read into" the program involved a bit of technology that was, at the time, critical to our security and surveillance of the Russians and their buddies. We weren't allowed to bring phones, calculators, or watches into the facility and definitely couldn't talk about what we saw inside.
When the primary tech supported at that site turned up as a major plot point in a Tom Clancy novel, I finally decided it was OK to talk about it... it was the KH-11 "Keyhole" spy satellite... the first digital tech spy camera in space (and the progenitor of every digital camera we have today, including those in our cellphones).
Red Storm Rising ....available as an audio book
I believe.
@@panzerdeal8727 I bought red storm rising at goodwill. Three weeks after I finished it....Russia invaded the Ukraine 😳
The Intel folks who interrogated him about how he knew about certain "secret" tech were a bit upset when he pointed to all the publicly available info that he read that they didn't realize was unclassified and some the classified stuff he got right were just guesses he extrapolated from the public info, kinda like our novel/movie's hero.
The FBI contacted Clancy wanting to know how he got such intimate knowledge of US and Soviet nuclear submarines.
The Typhoon Class Submarine is the largest submarine in the world. Your conclusions on the movie are way off, Se an Connery's character wanted to defect, because the Red October was designed to start WWIII. His objective was to take that capacity away from the Soviet Union, and level the playing field by giving it to the US.
Note that the Soviets actually called the Typhoon "Akula", a bit of mockery of NATO who had mistakenly used that name for the smaller, far faster attack sub.
The Red Oktober could have started and ended the war at the same time
@@kevinrodriguez5288 At the time, total nuclear arsenals totalled about 70 000 warheads. Most were in the 0.5-2.0 Mt range, due to inaccuracies in targetting. Nuclear missile boats carried possibly 2 000 warheads total. Their ability was to strike at military bases - especially nuclear missile silos - before the opponent could retaliate. USSR missile boats threw NATO into a panic, forcing development of relocatable strategic missiles between silos on each launch base, whereas the Soviets invested in fully mobile missiles. Today's ~7 500 missiles are evenly split between mobile and fixed missiles, largely due to missile boats and the threat they pose to anyone else's strategic missile and air force based arsenal.
Repeating commands back to the captain and bosun is important because it allows the captain to be certain his command was heard correctly. If the command repeated back is different than the actual order given, the captain can repeat the command to correct it. This is especially critical when performing maneuvers in tight places like going through the underwater canyon, where inches can make a difference.
There's another detail that didn't make it into the cut of the movie, but was clearly spelled out in the book. The "Cook" was in truth a GRU Intelligence Officer (GRU is the Russian military version of the KGB). The Russians are very distrusting of their military, thus they often imbed GRU officers into the crew. In this case the GRU knew what the official "Orders" were, and thus knew that Ramius was deviating from them. That's why he sabataged the Catapiller Drive earlier in the movie. Then when the Officers went back down with the ship he had stayed aboard to stop Ramius from whatever he was doing.
Having an 'official' political officer on board, plus one or even more unofficial ones was common practice during the Cold War. Often the unofficial ones were being kept in the dark about the others as well. They were to report on any activities on board that were not according to the political agenda of the Politburo in Moscow. As such there was incredible mistrust among crew members. Everybody KNEW that the official polit officer would rat them out for anything not aligning with the political guidelines of the party. However it was also known that there was at least one additional member, probably more, reporting unofficially. Thus you couldn't trust ANYONE.
Ramius however had trained ALL of the leading officers on board the Red October. As the sub was a prototype class it was considered a high honor to serve on it. Usually only the most vetted seamen and officers would be allowed on board. Ramius being from Latvia he was always suspected of not being completely aligned with the Politburo. He however had great contacts, AND he had a spotless record as an exceptional instructor for all the Soviet submarine commanders. As he basically had taught every commanding officer since the beginning of the Soviet submarine program he was just too highly decorated and connected to refuse his request to command the Red October. As the commanding officer he could put in his request for the officers on his sub which would have to be vetted against their political loyalty.
The GRU took careful note of any unwanted activity. That's why Ramius had to remove the official polit officer which was one high officer who could pull rank on him officially and order him to return to base. The polit officer couldn't interfere with the command structure UNLESS he suspected treason. With defection to the other side was very definitely treason especially with a multi-billion prototype submarine in tow.
I always thought that was very clearly implied though. Ramius sets it up by asking how many officers the KGB has on his ship, to which the Politcal Officer tells him he doesn't know. He didn't say there weren't any, Also, Logonov also saw Ramius take both keys for himself, which was a huge red flag.
@@3Rayfire exactly, that was the hints they left in the movie. But they never make reference to him being an agent at the end. And few in the US even knew what the GRU is, which is they added "... or the KGB". In truth it would never be the KGB, but that reference Americans knew at least. But being bookended at the beginning and end of the movie It's been my experience that most ppl don't make the connection.
Thanks for that info, I always just assumed the cook was loyal to the Soviet Union which is why he did what he did and never thought he was GRU
That's super interesting. I haven't read the book, so it always seemed... odd... that a random cook's assistant decided to sabotage the sub. Though now, everyone is noting the hints - all coming within a very short time - and I feel like a dumbass for not picking up on them.
A truly breathtaking misreading of Sean Connery's intentions.
My thoughts exactly. I think a lot of scenes, like the officers' mess hall, should've already explained what Connery's characters' intentions were.
It amazes me how little history is actually being taught.
Ashleigh didn't know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, or what defecting/defection meant.
As much as I love her channel, the urge to comment during the reaction often tramples all over important dialogue.
@@joebalusikiii5811 same feeling. I taught myself a lot about the Cold War since I was a little kid, and even I knew what "defect" meant in regards to this.
@@geoffwilliams4478 Quite right. I think I'd already cut her quite enough slack regarding (amongst others) : Pavarotti, Paganini, Is that Churchill?, periscope, scuttle, et al. But the slanderous attack on Ramius was the last straw.
@@dufflepod My facepalming moment was after everything you said, but finally, when we saw who Padorin was in the Red Fleet Headquarters and she was asking, "Is that Churchill? "
"And I was never here" is one of my favourite lines from James Earl Jones, he didn't have a ton of screentime in this movie but he really stands out.
After "Red October", check out the other two Jack Ryan movies with James Earl Jones - "Patriot Games" and "Clear and Present Danger".
In them Ryan is played by your favorite actor, Harrison Ford, and are very solid spy thrillers.
Might also point out that patriot games is a red October prequel
New Franchise to discover again
Plus it's funny.. Darth Vader is Han Solo' boss... And I know it gets hate.. And I know it is very different from the novel but I really did like The Sum of All Fears.
These 3 are such comfort watches for me. Fond memories of my dad and brother and me watching when I was a kid. Very 90s-dad popcorn movie.
It's an unpopular opinion, but I think Alec Baldwin is a more accurate portrayal of Jack Ryan both from the books and simply from the character's profession.
Harrison is a very emotional actor, he plays his parts from the heart. Whereas Baldwin has a more cerebral style of acting. Jack Ryan, being a CIA Analyst, was far more of a mentally processing character than an emotional one. I'm not saying he was cold, but he was constantly thinking and processing in real time what was being said to him and happening around him.
Don't mistake me for Liking Baldwin over Harrison. Baldwin is a narcissistic pompous ass, but he was a better fit in terms of acting style than Harrison was.
@3:58 “I wonder if I’ll recognize them”, after failing to recognize Sir Sean Connery. 😁
My favorite line…”you’ve lost ANOTHER submarine???” 😂😂😂🤷🏼♂️
To Denomolous himself.
I've always found it hilarious, the Russian amb's facial expression just increase the humor 🤣🤣.
When the admiral on the carrier said "I'll be in C.I.C." he was referring to the Combat Information Center. As a Navy Operations Specialist that's where I did my job. Basically I operated radar. It was my job to tell the guys firing missiles and guns who to shoot at. Oddly enough I served on 2 carriers (CV-59 & CVN-69). ⚓
Retired HT here served on CVN-68
Thank you for your service. ❤
Was the Captain's, personal aid. Stopped at the door to CIC by armed guards. You do NOT have clearance to be in here. Captain said he goes where I go. But but... There's Top Secret documents sitting out, right over there... Captain: If he picks one of them up & starts reading it, SHOOT HIM. Otherwise, he's with me. & that was that. (No one on board argues with the captain.)
Nice to see some other Navy here. I was on the Alabama (SSBN 731) and the Puffer (SSN 652). SK2SS
@@vaughncollar8014 I was stationed at Delta Pier 2010-2013 and worked on the Alabama
To have lived through the Cold War is to understand the underlying tone of emotions and suspicion that both sides held toward each other. Most of my Army career was during that time, and the Soviets were my mortal enemy. Even spent time in a border Cav unit, definitely setting a mindset for me that remains, probably for the rest of my life.
Listening to their talk is STILL completely understandable to me, even today.
Yep! The Olympics back in those days was more about the West vs. those "evil Commies" than competition between the individual nations.
Yes the Dallas and Red October could've communicated with radios, but then the conversation between the Captains would not have been private. They needed privacy because the US had no idea who was involved with defecting alongside Ramius. Since Jack was trying to get the Captain of the Dallas to help Ramius with his defection, they needed to keep things off the air waves. Thus using the periscope running lights and Morse code.
The loud pings heard in that scene came from the Red October's active sonar, which sends out a pulse of concentrated sound called a 'ping'. Submarines normally only use passive sonar (just listening to sounds already in the ocean), only going to active (sending out the pings which give them incredibly accurate details of what's around them) when in combat or in areas of absolute safety where it doesn't matter if they give away their position.
I highly recommend "Das Boot".
"Now I am very afraid of submarines"
Oh, my sweet summer child...
Yes; love Beerfest!!!!
From the man brought us the Neverending Story.
But only the ca. 6 hour TV mini-series cut, not the theatrical cut or the directors cut. The longer TV edit simply is the absolute superior version because every scene in "Das Boot" matters. And the shorter cuts are really just a "highlights" compilation.
My submariner friends consider Red October a comedy; they highly recommend Das Boot.
17:05 No, it was not supposed to be Vladimir Putin. This movie takes place and came out before Vladimir Putin had gained any power. The character in question just happens to share the same last name, a somewhat common Russian surname.
Yes, I wanted to make the same comment - also that she didn't understand the plot at all. Pretty surprised - but I still love her.
About defecting: Being in the Soviet Union, in any of the Soviet bloc countries, in fact, was referred to as being *_Behind the Iron Curtain._*
(East Germany, East Berlin, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Albania, etc.)
People were essentially locked in. "Western" news, music, movies, television were all prohibited. Pravda was the "approved," and only, news in the Soviet Union. The KGB was the government's enforcers. People were encouraged to inform on others, co-workers, neighbors, teachers, employers, family members. Often people would simply be just collected up and disappear. Being interrogated by the KGB was something to be avoided. If you weren't killed, you could just be sent to a work camp in Siberia.
People weren't allowed to leave the country unless permission was specifically granted. Even athletes for the Olympics were highly vetted before and controlled during their time outside the country. A defector's family and friends that remained behind could bear serious consequences.
In this case, Ramius had no family since his wife died to worry about.
And a Wall was built in Berlin, because of divided spheres of influence, to hinder defections. Interesting times growing up, and seeing things on the news..
lol Hindenburg, Oppenheimer, either way, something's getting lit up
Churchill and Putin too :D
"Oh the Humanity a Destroyer of Worlds!"
@@morten3138 In fairness, the dude's name WAS Putin. Just not the Putin she's thinking of.
I see what you did, there 😁.
🤣
"Anti-submarine aircraft? That is not real!"
They've been around since WW2 😅 It's usually hard for a sub to fight a plane without surfacing, giving anti-sub planes a lot of strategic power in naval combat.
I was surprised when she said that too
Education has gone downhill. One reaction channel reacting to Back to the Future thought plutonium was a made up substance like vibranium. People just aren’t taught things nowadays.
@@isaackellogg3493 I can understand not knowing about torpedo planes, but plutonium is right there on the periodic table 😅
Not many people understand military structure or capabilities. Just like some people gasp at the idea of naval aircraft or even naval helicopters in general. Some are even shocked that the Army had and still does operate a fleet of ships.
@@isaackellogg3493I like how the quality of education nosedives while the technology in the classroom is better than ever! Our tax dollars at work.
23:54 It’s not in your edit of this sequence but Ramius ordering "sound Collision" gives me chills every time. He knows the October could hit the wall and has accepted it.
Truly this movie punches above it’s weight in the world of submarine dramas.
Fun fact the Actor playing the Captain of the Enterprise is Fred Thompson who went on to become a Senator from Tennessee (1994-2003).
and left Law & Order to do it, because the job needed doing, "by someone who respects the Constitution."
BABY'S DAY OUT! A must see comedy, I thought I saw he really was an FBI agent?
Ran for President in 2008 on the (pre-primary) Republican ticket
And was too lazy to actually campaign. @@isaackellogg3493
Actually he was the Admiral commanding the Task Force. The guy who didn't like Ryan wearing a Navy uniform ("Charlie") was the CO of USS ENTERPRISE.
You really had no clue during the entire movie. Sean Connery was planning to defect from the start. He killed the only officer who wasn't in on the defection. Everything he did was either leading to defection, or trying to hide it from his crew.
Well, Tim Curry was also an officer who wasn't in on the defection, but other than that, yup...
Most folks of her generation don't know what defecting is
@@rayevarney Dasha is from Russia, and even she didn't know 😂
@@rayevarney Kinda shows how far the education system in this country has fallen.
Missing the fact that he was defecting for the entire movie ruins the entire reaction
What a great movie!
The method of starting with English subtitles and then suddenly shifting to them speaking English was probably one of the best examples of screen writing I've ever seen. 3D chess level narrative delivery.
the 13th warrior with anthonio banderas has a similar way of shifting. as he learns the launghish of the norsemen it starts to become more english. its a fun and creative way of doing it.
@@lainightwalker5495 That's right... I had forgotten about that. Yes.. I love this method. It's a great way to allow us to enjoy all the visuals and not have to be distracted from them by reading subtitles, yet still maintain the integrity of the characters.
Great stuff.
The movie "Convoy" for a Kris Kristofferson memorial movie.
Yes!!!!!
Lone Star
It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June in a Kenworth, pullin' loggs. Cabover Pete with a refer on and a Jimmy haulin' hogs.
RIP Rubber Duck
Yes. but I'm afraid that A Star Is Born is going to win the "dead pool.", I mean poll.
Sean Connery, Marko Remius, Lithuanian by birth. They called him the Vilius School Master. Has nothing to do with being a villain Vilinus is a Town in Lithuania. Marko Remius taught the sub captains for the Soviet naval fleet. Red October marked the first Bolshevik uprising to overthrow the Czar in the early 20th century. That is why they named the sub. Red October. The Order of Lenin, Named after Vladimir Lenin who let the revolution against Czar Nicholas in 1917 , Is the Soviet equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor. Captain Remius is not going to receive the Order of Lenin. He and the officers are trying to defect and give the Americans the ship. Scuttle the ship means to intentionally sink it so The Enemy can not take it. Sean Connery was a Good Guy all along. You really missed the point of this movie. Perhaps you should read the book. Tom Clancy; Hunt For Red October.
The February Revolution overthrew the Czar with the goal of turning Russia into a republic. The October Revolution overthrew the provisional government and brought the Communists to power. Historians still debate the causes of the 1917 revolutions, with one of the biggest arguments being over how much Russian popular dissatisfaction with the government botching its part in World War I had to do with it.
Yes, Ashleigh, you can tour both former war submarines and battleships at many national monuments and parks (seaside, obviously) I've been to several over the years: USS Lexington, Battleship Texas, USS Cavalla.
As a side note, the US Navy doesn't want you on their working subs either. Women are banned from serving on military subs in any capacity.
Vilnius is in Lithuania. Lithuania was annexed by Russia during WW2. It regained its sovereignty after the collapse of Russia. Rameos, like other Lithuanians born before WW2, would remember the time when their country was free. Rameos probably maintained a longstanding distain to Soviet Russia and now on the anniversary of his wife's death, he can separate himself from Russia and steal their most advanced submarine in the process by defecting.
You need to look at the movie casting. The bearded guy at the submarine depot who lost his leg was the principle in Ferris Beuller's Day Off. Capt of the USS Dallas was in the movie, The Right Stuff. The Washington guy was in the nostalgic Scifi, Logan's Run. Rameos 2nd in Command who got shot was in Jurassic Park. The 2nd soviet sub's captain was the professor in MCU Thor movies.
I HAVEN'T read the book,
But apparently his wife's death was his real motivator.
Since she died when she shouldn't have, but everyone covered things up so he didn't get justice.....
In the book, his wife dies because she cant get good medical treatment cause they aren't party members and Ramius is angry about that
*after the collapse of the Soviet Union (aka, the USSR [Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]).
@@johnpooky84 grammatically correct.
@@craigwheller From memory on what someone wrote,
It was a botched appendix operation??
If you haven't seen Tim Curry in Legend, wow oh wow..
Wait Ashleigh hasn't seen Legend with Tom Cruise, Mia Sara and Tim Curry? Really????
Ashleigh's response to Tim Curry in _Muppet Treasure Island_ "wait, Tim Curry can sing?", and approximately 37 million people suggested _The Rocky Horror Picture Show_. 😀
The biggest Submarine was 603 feet long and weighed 48,000 tons, with a crew of 160, and carried 20 nuclear rockets (each having a range of 5,300 miles and up to 10 nukes on each rocket, yes that means 200 nukes on 1 sub).
For myself, one of the most humorous things about this entire movie, was casting Sean Connery to play a Russian (Anything), with that thick Scottish accent! He's such an icon, everyone just politely ignores it!
R.I.P. to both Mr. Jones and Connery! You've touched so many lives with YOUR amazing Acting/Vocal skills!
To be fair, when learning English as a second or third language, you do tend to acquire the accent of your teacher or the environment of where you learn fluency. It’s like someone from Japan having a Boston accent.
@@jsinjapan1689
Very true!
:-)
Ramius knew that the cold war would be a stalemate as long as both sides were equal. So he wanted the US to have the stealth technology the Soviets had discovered.
If one side had an advantage an actual shooting War would break out!
If you are anywhere near Cleveland you can see the USS Cod (WW 2 era sub,). It is docked on the waterfront and it's open to the public.
An Ohio Class Nuclear Sub (the main US Navy Submarine since the early 80's) is 560 Feet Long (almost 2 football fields). The "Red October" Russian Sub is a Typhoon-Class that comes in at 574 Feet Long.
The US Navy Submarine Museum in Groton Connecticut allows you tour the USS Nautilus, the world's first nuclear submarine, in person and it's an amazing museum overall!
and it is free.
Nice, maybe some day. Also if you really wanna feel claustrophobic, there is a WW2 Type VIIC you can enter in Germany, same/(-ish) (type 7) as in Das Boot.
There's a list of submarine museums on wikipedia to find one near you around the world.
Massachusetts (Battleship Cove) , you can tour the USS Lionfish a WW2 era sub. Now that's small .
If you want something older, there's the USS Drum, a WWII sub converted to a museum in Mobile, AL, alongside the USS Alabama, a WWII Battleship. The park also has an aircraft museum, which includes a Lockheed A-12, which was a precursor to the SR-71 Blackbird.
There's the USS Cod in Cleveland and U-505 in Chicago as well.
I enjoyed your reactions. As always I think you are one of the best at reactions, and you are so honest with your first impressions. In that sense though I think you missed a few key moments and perhaps how to interpret them. No biggy because we all do it at times. In this film Sean Connery's character was never going to attack anyone. He and a few members of his crew wanted to defect to America. He knew that when the Red October was built that the United States would give anything to get a hold of this technology. But everything had to go perfect to make sure the Americans did not attack the Russian Red October. The Russians lied to the Americans telling them at first that they were just naval exercises. Then they tell them that they lost a sub. Then they tell them that the Captain of the sub had gone mad and they needed help to destroy the sub. In the end though, the Americans realize (largely because of Alec Baldwin's character and his research) that the Russian crew had intended to Defect to the U.S. But they had to make it look like a nuclear accident thereby getting the bulk of the crew off the boat, while only keeping the small crew that planned to defect. The Russian attack sub (the smaller one) through a kink into things, but when they sank that sub the Americans just told the Russians that the sub that sank was the Red October...even though it was not. With the sub that sank falling to depths that no one could explore yet the U.S. knew the Russians just had to take their word for it. Then we stole the Red October and the remaining crew were given citizenship in the U.S. for turning over the sub.
For those who didn't recognize Tupolev; It's Stellan Skarsgard. Think Andor and the Avengers series.
And Dune!
For flavor in keeping with this film, let's say he was Boris Shcherbina in the Chernobyl mini-series.
Also Bootstrap Bill Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean and father to Alexander Skarsgard of True Blood and Generation Kill
That certainly does make it more amusing when he demands that the reactor be pushed to 105%@@matthewwilliams2093
The Soviet Executive Officer is Sam Neill from Jurassic Park
His character was ivan putin, no relation to the more famous putin, or infamous
@@donallmccrudden4812 Ivan was the political Officer.
@@testthepest6259 yeah
Ashleigh, there are museum submarines (just like museum ships) that you can walk through. Wikipedia has a big chart that will show you lots of places in the USA where you can see a submarine. Also, see the movie Das Boot (The Boat) sometime. It is a German movie about the extreme danger German submarine sailors had to live through.
The bearded redhead you most likely recognize from Ferris Bueller's Day Off and Beetlejuice.
And Howard the duck
Yes that's Jeffrey Jones who did a lot of great movies before his scandal
@@jjGriffiths The emperor in Amadeus as well.
The famously "Cancelled for soliciting a minor" Jeffrey Jones lol
@@ianobrien3248 in other words a celebrity being a celebrity just like Sean Combs and others
Periscope depth is JUST below the surface.
18 meters (60ish feet) below the surface
James earl jones is also in the next 2 movies in this series, "patriot games" and "clear and present danger". Like in this one, he is not the main character. But his performance in "clear and present danger" in particular is excellent.
Top Secret trivia: Darth Vader was a senior CIA operative... and I was never here...
Yes, repeating instructions is normal procedure. A testament to great film writing when movie reactors understand much the naval terminology. Wonderful exciting reaction Ashleigh!
This is quite a crash course in submarine information for Ashleigh! 😆
Yes, Ashleigh, you can tour a submarine. At the aircraft carrier museum USS Intrepid in NYC, there is also the USS Growler submarine that you can freely walk through. There may be something closer to you in TN, I'm not sure. I know the USS North Carolina battleship is in Wilmington. Not sure if there is a submarine there also.
The red-bearded guy who looked familiar was the principal in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. He's also a convicted sex offender, so...
He's in Beetlejuice too.
And Howard the duck
And Amadeus.
I think he was also the dad in Beetlejuice.
Jeffrey Jones.
Never let Sean Connery teach your dog to "Sit".
Or Perigrin Took either.
LOL!!!
We Shale into Hishtory!
The repeating of commands is a failsafe. When you're giving a command in the control areas of the sub, you repeat them back to ensure that they were heard accurately.
A fun submarine film is “Operation Petticoat”. It’s a comedy starring Cary Grant and Tony Curtis.
And Down Periscope
I think DOWN PERISCOPE might be a better fit for Ashleigh's channel
@@ericc8705I can't stand Kelsey Grammer, but down Periscope is an excellent film.
My grandfather served as a lieutenant on a sub where they filmed some of the scenes for Operation Petticoat. He even made it into one of the scenes!
When I was a kid, he took me to a port where I got to tour a real submarine (yes Ashleigh, you can tour a sub!).
Also, "Das Boot" is a wacky fun ride!
Stop eating my sesame cake!
Oops. Wrong film. Sorry, Tim.
CONGO😅
20:43 "do you have to have someone repeating-" I suspect that, like checklists, it dramatically reduces errors.
"This guuy looks familiar"..Principle in Ferris Beuler's Day Off. "There was another movie with two keys" ..War Games. "This other guy looks familiar".. Sam Neil.
He was also the dad in "BEETLEJUICE "
There's another submarine movie with two keys... Crimson Tide with Gene Hackman & Denzel Washington.
@@danielshea518 Which makes it a reunion for him and Alec Baldwin. They were both in Beetlejuice (even though they only shared about a minute or so of screen time).
Hunt for Red October, Ferris Beuller's Day Off, Beetlejuice, Howard the Duck...
The reason they are using Morse Code is so that ONLY Ramius can see the message, not his crew. They wanted to know if he intended to defect to the US.
And it’s very hard to communicate between to submarines that are underwater. Radio doesn’t work very well under water. Only special frequencies can penetrate through water.
@@ImaCOTV More to the point, if they used radio then everyone on the bridge would hear the message. Ramius is keeping the defection a secret from his crew.
Ashleigh completely misunderstood this movie. How is that possible? It was pretty cut and dry. I guess we could blame it on her generation but I’ll just blame her as a person, lol. I would definitely love for her HUSBAND to film his reaction and we’ll see how he understands it.
I think the verb _defect_ has not been used in the popular press for a good number of years. I can't remember it being part of my schooling, either. First time I watched this, I had to ask my parents what it meant. (They remembered some famous defections, including one that shut down the local airport for the duration. Godunov, 1979, JFK Airport in NYC.) Ms. Ashleigh had no context, missed its meaning and significance to the plot, despite Jack Ryan's outburst of frankness. The rest of the misunderstanding followed.
And Daniel Davis!
Was the butler on The Nanny sitcom
So different!😹
I believe you mean Professor Moriarty.
@@albertmartinez2539He played both roles.
@@bjgandalf69 He knows he played both roles.
He was using his real accent in this movie. His British accent was so good that people thought he was British, and the actor who played Mr Sheffield was an American.
OH. MAH. GAWD! I just got to the "THIS Sean Connery..." line!!! Sitting at my desk at work, I think I laughed and choked at the same time....
Captain Zaddy
Hunt for Red October was part of the Jack Ryan franchise you should react to Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger both have Harrison Ford and James Earl Jones
You totally missed the plot all the way through....lol....love your channel!
Thanks for this one!
But dear lord what a craptastic week it's been... Maggie Smith, Kris Kristofferson, John Ashton (Midnight Run is a must watch for ya)...
Also, a legendary soap opera actor, Drake Hogestyn of Days of Our Lives
@@justinplayfair4638 Legendary and soap opera aren't words that go together. Dude was a hacktor that couldn't get better gigs. 🤷🏼♂️
It goes in threes
@@justinplayfair4638 True, but since this is a movie channel I went with movie stars.
I just heard about Maggie Smith's death today. I thought she might be one we'd have until she was 100 considering she was going strong right until the end.
(39:55)
"I have to be careful what I shoot at"
yes Alec, you do. might have saved someone's life if you had.
Modern sonar just listens to the ocean to see what comes in; they almost never use their active sonar (where they send out the ping). Water transmits sounds very well and things can be heard for miles. However, the ocean is a noisy place and sonar operators have to be able to hear one sound among a host of others.
Yea, they also don't use a ping very often unless 100% necessary because it fucks up a lot of wildlife with a mile radius. If you were nearby when one goes off, you'd die.
R.I.P to Dame Maggie Smith as well.
And Kris Kristofferson
@@grfrog Technically, we've already seen him recently with the Blade trilogy. But it would be nice to see some of his other work.
Here, here! A true Giant among actors.
It was so painful to watch Ashleigh completely fail to grasp Ramius' intentions for the entire movie, even after the end.
"I wonder if I'll recognize them." Clearly you didn't recognize Sean when you saw him. Love you Ashleigh!
Or Sam Neil from Jurassic Park 😅
That was a very cute moment. :-)
Former US Coastie here, very impressed by how much submarine tech Ashleigh absorbed in such a short time. It says a lot about the dramatic pacing and exposition of the film. Of course it says a lot about how much Ashleigh processed from jump-street. Wow! An all-time favorite of us sailor types.
Thank you for your service. ❤
This is becoming the "Watching a movie with that annoyingly loud friend of a friend who understands nothing but how to ruin vibes and you spend the whole movie thinking about ways to get them out of your house" Channel.
If you want another great sub movie, Crimson Tide with Denzel and Gene Hackman is a definite watch.
False. Another great sub movie would be Down Periscope.
I will take no questions.
@@kvr8286 False.
@@kvr8286 You're both wrong. Das Boot is best.
Or Operation Petticoat with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis.
Crimson Tide is horrible, no one in the service would act like they did in that movie.
Fun Fact: "Crazy Ivan" is (or was at least when my dad was serving) a 100% legit russian sub manouver and that is what they called it
P.S. :Speaking to my father and they guys he served with, this movie is consistantly named as the most realistic sub movie (stealth drive aside)
It was theorized at the time and the Japanese actually built one (in the 2000's I think). Sure it can remove the iron from your blood but it does work.
Crazy Ivan is what the Americans called it 😉
The Russian name translates to 'verify absence of tracking' because it was used to counter the American tactic of following in the cavitation baffle zone of Soviet subs by making sharp turns to reveal pursuing vessels.
And they reference the term crazy Ivan in Firefly
I remember that in the book his casual reference to the SOSUS nets for detecting subs made various US intelligence agencies take notice. I guess it wasn't supposed to be a well known fact that those exist.
@@PlasteredDragonit is a little like the designation of attack submarine. The Navy didn't acknowledge they existed.
Perhaps the most epic film of political intrigue ever made. An all star cast, based on Tom Clancy's epic novel. 😁And the Typhoon depicted is the largest submarine ever put into service.
Theres a movie called down periscope it’s hilarious it’s a WWII submarine
"Lieutenant, you're _almost_ out of uniform".
😅😂🤣
Wow, I almost said the wrong thing. I thought that it was an early '50's sub. Nope, WWII just like you said.
I think you got a little confused about what Ramius was doing, he wasn't going to attack the US, he wanted to 'defect', which means he wanted to permanently leave his country and go live in the US, at the same time give the Americans the Red October because Ramius knew it would eventually be used to start a war. He was trying to keep the peace ✌️
Clearance higher than top secret:
Effectively, there isn't a general clearance title higher than top secret, because everything higher than that is compartmentalised that each individual involved has to have the need to know, and be personally briefed on it by someone involved in the project, usually on site, because they can't take the chance of taking documentation out of secured locations. The closest thing to a higher clearance level is things like the only people not directly involved in something that has clearance to know about it is the President, would probably be the highest you can get, then it expands the list to specific cabinet members, like the foreign secretary and secretary of defence. Or the Joint Chiefs of Staff if it's something military or relevant to national defence. Then it gradually expands the list of people who can know about it based on how sensitive the information is. But in order to be on the list of people who can know about these things you pretty much have to go through the Top Secret vetting process to even be considered. Or be voted into office, because the President automatically has the need to know.
We're in dead icons race here. A few days ago Dame Maggie Smith.
Now Kris Kristofferson!
A number of times over the years Ashleigh mentioned "Convoy". She may have meant the song.
But Peckinpah's movie was a cinematic gem.
For Maggie Smith I recommend "Murder by Death".
I'll be re-watching "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" soon.
In the show Firefly, Captain Reynolds asks Wash to do an "Ivan", which I think this movie brought into pop culture knowledge.
Yeah, a “Crazy” one 😊
"Here's something you can't do..."
“Always wanted to try one.”
Okay, now it’s real simple…
I swear...some of these reactors need to hire movie tour guides to explain things to them...especially when watching older movies.
I've seen a number of reactors, most even, be confused by the naval terminology. This is the first time I've seen somebody not understand the plot.
Interesting. I read a bunch of submarine stories as a kid, so I was able to follow along.
It happens when a reactor thinks their words are more important than watching the movie
So excited! This was my comfort movie in the 90s - great film. For the "two keys" in another movie you can't remember - perhaps the opening for War Games? With Hallowbeans coming, I gotta throw out my wish list: The Frighteners (a light choice for Wednesdays), Angel Heart, and Jacob's Ladder
I second the Frighteners.
Two enemy submarines obtained by the US. WW2 German submarine U-505 currently in Chicago. Check out The Fat Electrician’s video about it. Also, check history about the Glomar Explorer and the Soviet sub K-129 (partially salvaged by the US in 1968).
Pavarotti was Luciano Pavarotti, one of the greatest opera singers (a tenor & Italian) who passed away in 2007 from cancer. He collaborated with other celebrities for charity…Eric Clapton, Brian Adams, BB King, Jon Bon Jovi, Elton John, Celine Dion, Queen, Sting, & many others. He was a close friend to Princess Diana & helped her raise money for eliminating landmines worldwide. Paganini was an Italian opera composer from the 1800s. Also I think one of the problems you had was the time period was during the Cold War when the two countries hated each other. The Soviet Union considered everything about us as evil. If you ever watch “The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!” it would help you understand the time period as it sums it up in a nutshell. It’s a comedy starring Alan Arkin (his 1st motion picture), Carl Reiner, & Eva Marie Saint. It’s a classic.
I love you, Ashleigh! 🤣❤️ You seemed so confused at the end. “Why aren’t we holding him [Ramius] for war crimes?” Because he didn’t actually do anything… He was trying to defect. That means “to leave a country, political party, etc., especially in order to join an opposing one.” This was a big thing during the Cold War. The whole thing was a big ruse.
OHHHHHH
"And I don't know what the f&
Alec Baldwin and Tim Curry worked together again in 1994's deliciously campy The Shadow.
And the great Ian McKellen as well!
Ashley you crack me up when you pronounced"Laurentian Abyssal" as Lorentine Abysmal 😂
She's got a way with (hard) words
Your quote about older Sean Connery… spot on. He does it for me lol ❤
R.I.P. Kris Kristofferson
Please watch A Star Is Born
Also, Blade, he was in those as well.
@@stefantsarev4442 I would suggest those, but she has already seen all three.
Or Convoy. He's pretty badass as Rubber Duck. RIP
He died Saturday. He was 88. I HOPE to live that long.
I didn't think that version was very good - not to fault Kris or Barbra, it was just a weak script. For a Kristofferson reaction, I think she'd really enjoy Lone Star. Great movie.
As we get into this franchise James Earl Jones takes a bigger role and is incredible.
I am fifty years old. I saw this movie on its opening weekend with my dad back in spring 1990. My dad then retired it and copied the tape when it came out. I’ve watched the movie many, many times growing up. I have it on digital now and it’s my favorite movie to put on a cold, rainy day to just relax and maybe take a nap. I say all this because for the first time I just made the BEETLEJUICE connection between Alec Baldwin and Jeffery Jones!!