Hey Early gang and Notification squad! I hope this video doesn't come across harsh, I've had it in my drafts for a few weeks ready to go out, just a bit nervous people will mistake concern for a personal criticism, also my side channel is doing far better than shown in the video now so that's out of date as well! Hope it is interesting or helps! 🕘Timestamps: 0:00 How Streamers Are Ruining Their Chances To Grow 2:00 The Worst Streaming Mistake New Creators Make! 2:45 Why Growing As A Streamer Is Almost Impossible 3:30 Why 2020 Was Easier To Grow As A Streamer 4:00 The Truth About Growing As A Streamer 4:50 Why Streaming More Hours Means Less Growth 5:00 What Analytic Is Most Important For Stream Growth 6:00 Why Your Motivation To Stream Determines Your Growth 8:00 How Creators Accidentally Ruin Their Own Growth 9:00 How To Grow As A Creator In 2023 11:30 How RUclips Is Helping Small Creators Grow In 2023 13:30 Your Most Important Tool To Growing As A Creator
Nah not too harsh. Everything you're saying is true. If people get the hump then they aren't in the right mindset to succeed. Fun first! Anything else is a bonus.
You know? I think I agree more with what you mean than with the way you put it when you say it's not working harder to stream more hours a day, more days a week. I agree that it's a sign of low effort per hour of content. It certainly requires less mental strength. Maybe the way you put it works better for the majority of streamers, so I'm still intending to share this one with other small streamers.
If anyone is gunna degrade me it’s you and @shallelujah so it’s ok. It’s also like I’m listening to my inner dialogue tear me apart but it’s with a ausi accent now so I kinda believe and trust what the voices are saying now lmfao!
I stream for 3 hours, 3 times a week and have fun with it. I have grown less and less over time, but I am treating it more like a hobby these days. The small community of regulars that show up are awesome people, and we still pick up people from time to time and having fun is what matters to me most right now. Solid vid Eljay, grinding achieves nothing but burnout.
That's almost exactly what I do, even started it to just have my friends see me playing games I care about or they do. At this point, it's much more like a fun hobby that while I take a little seriously, it's just for fun and the rare bits of money.
Same actually, I've been doing 3 hours, 3 times a week for a few years to balance other things. Growth slowed over the years where I've been stationary for a while, but it's fun with the community I've built 💪🏻
Same here, starting off at 4 hours ish 3 times a week. It's a side gig as I also develop and work on my artistic journey. One of my streams so far is specifically an art stream that motivates me to actually work on more art than I would otherwise, because I LITERALLY have to stream to an audience that is expecting to see some art. Easiest artists-block busting thing ever.
I've taken the last year off of streaming to broaden my knowledge and even studying in fields that I hope IMPROVE my content in the long-term. It also helped me realise that I seriously needed a safety net outside of Streaming and Content Creation, and I can't bank everything on something that's not just feasible. "Stop grinding" is such an important and underrated mindset in this industry. The "Grindset" mentality is severely unhealthy and the sooner people know that, the better. You've never steered us wrong ElJay, and I thank you for that.
@@SAHtoshiDude Well that's the thing. Some people are totally fine with being average or medium size. It's not always about being number #1 in an industry for everyone. Sure you can have that mindset to get you to where you want to go, but even I, with my 870 followers on Facebook, enjoy my smaller community of dedicated viewers. Am I aiming for more, of course, but the competition is too steep, too daring, and too young for me to compete at the top. But best believe I will be having my days in the sun. Happy Streaming!
it literally makes no sense to grind streaming tbh... on my main channel Tuelz i stream like once a week and can get 300 concurrent views and getting 30k views on the stream... i just focus on real videos.... i got 40 million views and 140k subs in the last 3 months like i would literally never have did that streaming. The streams are just random for the fans and the fact i go once a week and dont save them so pppl watch it and it does good plus you can get like $200 of donos for each weekly stream. If i had to give advice it would be just do videos streams tbh arent worth it unless your big
@@tuelzalt with numbers like that you don’t need to grind. Not everyone has that many viewers they can stream one time and be good. You guys don’t wanna grind and make a channel worthwhile then don’t, don’t complain when someone does want to grind and make it past you. See ya on the sidelines fellas lol
@@SAHtoshiDude no but that's the point he was making... just grind normal content. Streaming tbh is lazy... I make animations... it's something most ppl cnt do so I stand out and streaming is just a random thing indo to connect to the fans outside of animations. Ppl really put streaming first and wonder why they dnt grow. Ishospeed and adin Ross are 1 of a million chance of happening. But me gaining 140k subs in one year is hard but way more common. I seen at least 6 YTs get 100k subs in the this year that I've collabed with. It's way more common then blowing up streaming. You have to get a following first before streaming. Even speed had like 60k subs before he started blowing up. Adin too at like 100k like ppl really be having 2k subs and streaming everyday wondering why they aren't growing. A video can get views and subs forever not a stream. Videos from 8 months ago are still giving me like 5-10 subs a day and I upload everyday do imagine all them combined everyday plus new videos I gain around 1k subs a day which is way more then if I streamed everyday. To me personally streaming and leta plays are the laziest content on YT follow by vlogs
I have felt for a while now that i've lost a lot of motivation for streaming. And your videos helped me reorient my thinking and focus more on other platforms. I started focusing on video editing and design to try and improve what I am doing. I feel good now. Creativity is beginning to flow again which is some thing I haven't felt in to long. So thanks, Eljay! It's awesome to see you succeeding.
I want to thank you for this. I stopped streaming in June because I was feeling like this. That constantly streaming and not working content like RUclips was hurting me. I've spent the last couple of months relaxing and planning and focusing on what I want to do. Fast forward and after thinking about all ive learned in my YEARS of streaming, I've deemed 2023 as my repackage. And everything you discussed here are things that I've came up with on my own. Hearing you say this really made a lot of my anxiety and uneasiness dissappear because I feel like I'm moving in the right direction. It makes me excited to once again start creating and adapting. You really have created a monster in me and I love it. Thank you!
This is one of many reasons why I have huge respect for you man. When I started I was streaming 4/5 days a week now I'm streaming 2 days a week for an hour or so. I'm finding it so much more rewarding creating content outside of streaming, making and editing videos and learning new skills and streaming is now secondary. Great advice buddy!
A lot of people do not always have the time to watch a stream, to chat or to show up every day 8h a day like you are doing for them. More people have time for videos that are always available. Twitch is good for letting your viewers enjoy a real time conversation. But time is everyone's most valuable resource. More people appreciate videos (Or even VoD's of your previous streams) more than the time you actually spend live.
Right! I don't watch any streams, but videos I watch at my leisure. People have lives and are busy. I noticed quality of live streams suffer too and videos are always higher quality content.
You’re my favourite creator who helps other creators. Your videos are so high quality, and the video is over before I realise because the topic is so interesting, well presented and your pacing is perfect. You didn’t need to apologise for this, I know it was exactly what I needed to hear. I am so impressed you have all these channels at these quality levels, if you have editors or anyone helping you could you make a video on how to expand your team/find the right people? I’m at the stage where I want to create more but I need help, and I just don’t know where to start looking for someone.
I've tried Editors, but sadly they never work out. Most don't put the time or care in the way I like, I'm not perfect, so I've tried giving people months of practice and feedback. Sadly, most just don't match the style, so I have just decided I'll do it alone and try my best till I can one day find an Editor who gets it :)
@@StreamScheme I’m the same with not feeling like others care as much as I do about the edit! Wow so you do all these channels by yourself?! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Makes me feel lazy 😂 😉
We can discuss how much easier it is to grow a YT over a Twitch all day, but it's another thing to experience it first hand. I went from grinding out Twitch streams 4 days a week, barely squeezing it with work (often missimg streams because of it x.x) and ignoring YT to releasing a new vid and at least 1 short every day on YT and just streaming once a week for fun. My YT reached 100 subs in less then 2 months; it took my Twitch 10 months to reach that many subs. I'm still learning and growing, of course, but I feel a lot more capable on RUclips than I ever did on Twitch. Just my experience is all ^^
This video comes at a perfect time as I've been making this exact transition lately! In 2023 I'm not going to be streaming regularly anymore, instead I'll fully focus on making content for RUclips as that it the one thing I've gained energy from over the past months. Also I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I really appreciate the 'real talk' about content creation and streaming. I never think you're too harsh on us, but then again I've also never streamed 7 days a week for 8 hours straight, so I've never felt attacked either xD
I really appreciate this. I just celebrated 1 year on Twitch yesterday after not streaming for two weeks due to finals and the support I received was over the top. They didn't care that I had taken time off from streaming. I've been active in my discord that I share with a few other streamer and they were genuinely stoked to see me. It's not about quantity. It's about quality yeah?
I use to get a lot of shame for only streaming twice a week for an hour or so. “You aren’t streaming long enough” was what they said. In reality, I was working on other projects learning new skills to make my content better. I mastered TikTok, launched a horror podcast and leaned how to manage my social media well. I may not have the largest following, but I am proud to say I have very close community of followers and fans. This year, I am working on revamping my RUclips with a new idea that I will launch in February. Again, learning new skills, having fun and diversifying my content is my goal… and I am hitting that every week.
Imagine the amazing video you could make in 8 hours that has the potential to be seen for a year or two continuously. Rather then a stream that when it ends, no one will ever watch again
I was streaming a good amount before starting my RUclips channel but ended up taking a long break due to some life change (all good things). I fully agree with the "stream less" approach. At the moment I am planning on just streaming once a week on Twitch for a couple of hours or so which is a lot less than I was doing before. My main focus is this little RUclips channel that I'm slowly working on. I'm not on here thinking I'm going to get super famous and rich, I have just found that I enjoy creating content and its been cool to see how my content progresses in quality as I go! Not everything has been a hit and I can't always post consistently due to time (full time job and family) but it's been fun so far!
Growing IS incredibly hard as a streamer, but my favourite part of it is the real time interaction with viewers. I'd love streaming and content creation to be my full time career, BUT, for now I work a full time job, am a single father and am an active charity activist so I slot my editing/streaming in between. However I do watch your videos and others like it when they come online, I try new practices while editing all the time and see myself improving. Growth has been slow but It does exist. I appreciate the honesty though. You're a top chap. You won't be destroyed.
Thank you so much for saying your piece about this! I'm glad it's not just me who can't stand the grind/hustle culture with streaming. As someone who works full time but interested in streaming, that mindset really feels like a gatekeeper comment to prevent people who want to look into streaming cuz they can start to believe the falsehood that you have to be LIVE sooooo many hours out of the day in order to grow. Thank you for sharing~ ♥
Truly crazy a platform convinced people to literally donate their lives for basically nothing in return. Ive always found that to be a strange phenomena for majority of streamers. Im also really suprised no other company has managed to outperform twitch because so many people are trying their best to make it work
True talk, I’ve found that when I “grind” everyday my “regulars” don’t show up ironically, but when I take a few days off and then stream, my regulars show up. It’s weird, but I guess it contributes to “distance makes the heart grow stronger.” Distance meaning the space between streams and heart meaning the viewership. Best thing we all can do is set up a weekly schedule and stick to that schedule: M/W/F @ 4PM. No more, no less. Thanks buddy! Great video! 👍🏻👍🏻
I started streaming just 3 days ago. This video is a nice wake up call for me, but also, inspiration and a push to put myself out there. I have the youtube channel for a reason, and you're absolutely right about using this first, and then the stream. As someone whos completely new to content creation, any advice(harsh or not) is good to have. Put's me in a real mindset, and not trying to have that grind mentality. I'm not trying to dig myself into a hole that I can't climb out of. Streaming for me right now is for fun, but it's also long, long term goal. Thank you
It's a hard truth that I needed to hear. My most successful piece of content ever was a video card review that has almost 60k views. I fell out of making edited content (or any content at all) for over a year. Coming back, I've been streaming a few days a week for a few months, and that video still gets more views every week than all my recent streams combined. I know I need to create shorts and go back to crafting edited videos, but my biggest hurdle is getting that creative bug. I feel like it's this switch with a mind of it's own that decides when it wants to turn itself on, and until that moment comes I beat my head against a brick wall for ideas. Anyways, great vid! I've stumbled on your content a few times, finally hit the sub button!
All the people who tear you up are just people who don't like hearing they were wrong. I can accept the fact of you have been streaming and creating for far longer than everyone watching stream scheme and if we should to ask anyone how we should do it, it should be streamers who already faced these struggles. You're our mentors in a way. (Video was amazing BTW)
Started streaming in February of this year. What a grind it has been. I really didn't know what to properly do to grow at all until around May I would say. But lately I've just been dropping in stats all around so now I am trying to refocus on making better quality shorts that viewers enjoy and will go from there. I think the biggest struggle part for me at this point is the time/effort on making long form content worth it right now. RUclips shorts seem to being going in a good direction for me so I am super happy about that. Now just trying to figure out what the next best steps are to grow.
Glad to have caught this one as early as I did. I've been saying the same thing to myself, as someone who has been within the content creation circle for over 8 years now, but only really had true passion for it for the last 15 months or so, it's been helpful. I work a 9-5 in the UK, and realistically, my time would be much better spent making more on demand content, which is what i've been working on learning now for over a month. Hours piled into passion projects in Premiere Pro, just to get my own editing style ready. Alongside this, streams have been doing well too. But it is upsetting to see people who will go live every single day, skip meals etc and not think to themselves at some point "surely this can't be the right thing to do". Twitch literally doesn't show any form of care for its smaller creators, which is proven with their lack of response to follow bots and hate raids, (I get both quite frequently but we move) when its literally an API feature they need to disable. (I know its more than that, but the bottom line of it is that it could just be a toggle on the list of permissions an app may want) I'm excited to see what the true benefit will be on a personal scale, when I start to get the content I want to make pushed out, the fuel is there, and so is the match, I just need to spark it and let it go. Always a pleasure to watch the videos too, insights into things I wouldn't have thought about otherwise. Insanely valuable. Legend
I love the realism that you provide and I do try and add everything that you said and it’s starting to work thank you so much for the amazing advice on how to create
I just hit affiliate in a little under 2 months. I like to stick to the days for streaming but vary my times. And I am on so many different platforms. Honestly, the engagement with viewers in Discord is huge, but I value the advise on shorts. I see long streams as my fun time, but I plan to short them all by around 20% so I can focus the rest of that time I already have set aside on growing my skill set and learning more tech to reach people. This is a dream for me, but I also know we live in a different time. Thank you for this video! It makes me feel like I'm making the right decisions as the rest of the world is starting to get back to "normal".
I've been streaming on twitch in almost 5 years, and i noticed this year it's been slow and different, and it didn't feel the same as it use to be on twitch. So i decided to move to youtube, and my youtube is growing, slowly but it's growing. 🥰 I take my time to animate to my videos, which is actually good, because i work as a illustrator on a company, so i'm allowed to animate and do my comics on my job. 😀🥰
As someone who has been mostly streaming via Twitch since it's "easy content" - I genuinely needed to hear everything in this video. I've been wanting to focus more on RUclips content (long-form + shorts) for a while now, but I've been very tunnel-visioned on Twitch as my main platform, even when I was telling myself that I was just using my Twitch stream as a method to record content, I always ended up hyper-focusing more on Twitch than everything else. I'm currently in the process of planning out how to run my RUclips channel going into 2023 using some of the advice from various videos you've provided us. and I think I have a solid foundation ready to go!
This is great information, I tapped in thinking you were going to talk about twitch vs RUclips , but no you hit a topic which i agree. Once I started streaming lees and working more in content I’ve actually had more engagement with viewers
Eljay with the real talk as always. Streaming IS absolutely easier to do than video editing, and definitely more immediately fun. And we should get to have some fun, right? I'd almost say that's where some of the resistance is to focusing on more permanent content.... but I dunno, this grinding doesn't seem like much fun at all. As another point, it's very easy to hit "go live", but it takes work to make a good stream. Just like it's easy to open DaVinci Resolve and haphazardly trim some clips, but it's gratifying and rewarding work to learn how to actually make proper videos. Source: me, who is finally getting over her Bad At Video Editing nerves and getting excited about it.
It's been really interesting watching you making this shift from Twitch to evergreen content over the past year and honestly, I appreciate it. I've valued your opinions and words in every place you have stated them and this is a hard truth video that no one wants to hear, but truly needs to. Thank you for always being real.
bro thank you so much for this, im one of those people your talking about who do countless hours of livestreams if you check youll see what i mean, so im really taking this all in and i will be making HUGE changes to how often and how long i live stream. Thank you again for this, i needed a " slap in the face " to wake me up. ps: Dont worry about how this video does or the reactions because only the serious creators will understand what your saying in this video. CHEERS
OMG please don't be sorry!!! Thank you so much for all the SOLID advice you give! I have been slowly but surely increasing increasing my youtube content thanks to the advice you have given! Yeah I have been slow to start with only bi weekly videos, but I am getting there! I look forward to your next video!
6 followers on twitch here :)) Trying to improve and learn and from all that I have researched on this topic, yours was genuine, honest and filled with good advice as opposed to a "standard" list of tips and tricks
This video resonates with me so hard. I wish i had seen this 2 years ago, i was caught up in the endless twitch grind of long hours and daily streams. I've suffered burnout and even survived a damn stroke and it's within the past few months I've shifted gears out of my old ways to focus more on RUclips and other platforms. I'm learning how to edit, I've started with shorts and I'm working on my first long form video. I'm excited to grow and make good content so that i don't NEED stress about twitch subs and relying on that for income. Ive just begun doing many of the steps you mentioned so it's reassuring I'm making the right decisions for long term success. Would be cool to pick your brain some time, thank you for this video.
Thanks for this video! I was trying to understand how can I grow up with streams and creating content, and your video was the answer I needed. Thanks for your dedication to teach small creators to grow up.
I 100% agree, LJ. I was streaming 40 plus hours a week, and burning out while growing at a very slow rate. I've recently quit and am in the process of revamping my RUclips channel to focus on it as my primary content platform as well as short form content for other platforms. My plan is to do this for six months to a year, and then to relaunch my live stream as a secondary means of content creation.
hey! I do all of these! I am still new, but it is working ! I think something it would be cool to see you talk about next time (just because I like your content!) is that also, when you get people to come over to twitch, you have to make them feel welcome/give them a reason to stay since its not the same as a 10 min vid. or short! I see some people make this mistake, and they end up having a really big twitch following, but not high ccv! im curious what you would have to say! But this video, and all it contains, are really important thing and I have found all of them to be true in the short time I have been here!
Thanks for your videos mister. Because of your help affiliate came in 45 days and RUclips is growing as well with little effort. Now to put in the extra effort with the edited content and I’ll be caught up to you in no time. Keep up the work mister I appreciate it!
This is so encouraging u have no idea…TY. As a newb I’m currently been feeling this lately but I honestly don’t care about the daily long hours & or playing most popular games. I just wanna have fun & actually enjoy what i’m doing & if i can inspire just a few people, so be it ⚡️🙏🏽⚡️
Definitely a good videao here! And let's face it, yes, indeed, the streaming landscape is now different than it was 2 years ago -- I am myself a "lockdown streamer" (and a lockdown viewer as wlel, in fact!). So I'm really not surprised at all.
I wonder how many people will watch all the way through and have the self-reflection to realize this video is talking about them. I really don't get the idea of "stream all the time and hope". Such a waste of time. Thanks for this video.
I'm just worried the people who this video is for will see it as negative criticism rather than concern and advice to help reach the goal they clearly want.
@@StreamScheme real. Sometimes you can get through to people and sometimes you can't. But if it saves one person from grinding their life away for nothing, then mission accomplished.
I feel so awkward because a lot of my local streamers (streamers who are about my size) are all in this grindset mindset and from my perspective it's quite infectious. It's not the mindset I've taken and as a result it often feels kind of isolating- which of course is probably a lot of the reason why so many smaller streamers adapt that mindset. Thank you for this video- it's informative and affirms a lot of my feelings towards content creation! Edit: STOP SAYING SORRY DARNIT!!
Love this video! I get pretty concerned for my streaming buddies when I see them streaming for 6hrs or 12hrs - like, dang, even from a 'growth' perspective it feels so risky to their health. And so many streamers, especially young streamers, don't really believe deep-down that their time has value. I made a conscious choice not to work a job with 12-hour shifts despite better pay because of the severe health impact out-of-hours ('unsocial hours' for USA peeps I think?) work has, there's no way I'm doing an 8hr stream for a fraction of what I'd get doing my full time job, especially when that sort of regular lengthy stream is going to put me in the risk zone for carpal tunnel and various musculature issues.
this was really useful man, thanks a ton! i'd already planned out a good bit of this but this has REALLY helped me. Right now thanks to you and a few other streamers golden nuggets of info, i've decided to improve my ability to be interesting for a few streams then when im more happy i feel like i can push out to creating content around stuff that im proud of. again, just thanks a ton!
Man I gotta say I’ve been live streaming for almost a year now, as to which I’m seen some growth however now I’m starting to feel stuck. Glad I came across a few of your videos within the past week. They’ve been helpful 😊
grinding just burned me out when I first started years ago. Recently I just do it when I have time, no set schedule; but even then I still get subs or followers stop by and say hi and chill when they can too. It just feels more chill when you do it on your free time whilst still allowing yourself to live (eat, sleep, shower, 💩; etc.). as a small streamer and channel, having one viewer means ALOT especially when I play horror games cuz then I'm not as scared lol 😂.
Honestly~ I do agree with Eljay's view on this~ I've been streaming for quite sometime (4 years to be exactly) and it got me nowhere to even monetize my contents~ So now I just enjoy what I do regardless of viewships (sometimes even zero) and look forward to create more fond memories to watch back when I am old in the future ^_^
I couldn't agree more with this take on streaming. I used to stream 3 days a week for 2 or 3 hours and was getting no where. Now I concentrate that time on shorts and videos less than 5 mins and its boosted the channel way more in 5 months than streaming did in 3 years. Thats just the truth. Great video man
Great video! Honestly if the lockdowns didn't happen, we would have be saying this back in 2019. I recently did a interview show with a Facebook Gaming Partner who was preaching the same thing. I think small streamers or should I say aspiring entrepreneurs who want to start a content creation business, need to heed this message with the upmost seriousness. As my interveiwee said, "...going live isn't the headline anymore."
Honestly I had a good amount of growth in my first year which was 2020 and I have noticed that my streams have been quieter as of late but I have to remind myself daily that everyone’s back out there doing school or going to work now. and thankfully I know when to start doing things differently and I was quick to realize that I probably have to do content elsewhere just to get where I want to with streaming and growing a community, So I’m glad you put this up to help those who don’t know about things like this! 👍
I’ve started on a new this year, I’m aiming for the big 1k this year, I’ve done a couple weeks of a new system for me, weekly schedules, granted I’m small, 460, but since changing things up and streaming on RUclips, I average 3 streams a week for about 3 hours, and around that I’ve recycled funny clips and highlights from those streams for TikTok, RUclips Shorts and Instagram Reels, and since making this change I have gone from 406 to 460+ this year alone and I feel this will only keep rising. I agree that grinding is horrible and I struggle personally holding down 8+ hour streams especially daily and luckily I’ve never fell into that pit of darkness. It’s nice to know you are a fellow Poké/Nintentuber. I’m just trying to think with this system, how I can go even further, I’ve increased my editing style and improving the quality side of things when and where I can. Quite honestly this video is what we need to see in 2023, since Covid and TikTok taking off, short form content has become the new norm for consuming content alongside live streams
I've taken an extremely long break from streaming. When I first started I didn't realize how much it took to grow. At first, I was just streaming so I could take a look back at the moments of me and my friend playing together, or I just wanted to make people laugh and smile. Sometimes, I don't even know IF I'll get back to streaming anytime soon. I've been mostly recording my gameplays on OBS to look back on. Also, I'm not that good of a commentator in general. When streaming alone, I'm more of the silent type. But to be honest, I found that streaming back in.... 2000 something Idk when I started streaming, probably 2019 or somewhere near there, it was so much easier to stream. But now I just never feel like streaming, it's like the enjoyment of streaming has gone completely for me. I still look back at when I did stream and I am so so glad I have moments I can look back on.
I used to watch what other streamers were doing and try to emulate what they were doing. That was not working for me at all and I kinda gave up on trying to stream at that point. After a couple months of not streaming I went live again and started streaming every couple of days just things that I wanted to actually do like playthroughs and such. I also just started being myself more. After I did that I started getting views and follows and within two months I made affiliate. I have a very small community but they are loyal and being small allows me to connect with viewers that are now mods in my channel and discord and I play games with them on and off stream and have even gotten them started streaming. I have watched alot of your vids on here taking bits and pieces of each and applying it. It has helped alot so I owe alot of my growth to your advice on your videos. Thank you!
Having an audience that is conditioned to wait a couple days for you, are more likely to return after an hiatus. So u may see daily streams as something good, but after a long break u might lose more viewers compared to someone that streams twice a week.
Great video, i put most of my eggs in a rockstar games basket and let my rpgs, secondary, and retro channel suffer even though thats where most my passion is , feel like im letting down the small audience ive built streaming and putting out daily disposable videos instead of evergreen content. I've stopped drinking now i need to grind social, shorts and evergreen content to funnel my true audience to my passions. this video was a great reminder. thank you
i have just recently started to focuse my content on other platforms as i was feeling abit stale and feeling like i wasn't getting anything out of twitch anymore yes i still stream on twitch here and there but recently my main focus has been youtube and tic tok its good to hear exactly what i have been thinking the past few days.
Feels good to know I’m not the only one thinking this. I got burned out from streaming Sep 2022 after being in a contract for 2yrs forcing me to stream 6 to sometimes 10hrs a day. Never had any time to edit or grow elsewhere and felt like I was throwing great content away day in and day out. Jan 2023 i’m now free of that contract and picked up photoshop to start learning how to create my own thumbnails and build a audience on youtube. This video was exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you! -new sub as well 💯
I just want to say thank you for your videos. I have to work a normal job and i started streaming because i love gaming and i enjoyed sharing awesome moments with friends and i learnt to love the interaction when people do come watch and chat. Because of your advice i started doing some TIKTOK and YT shorts, but its hard to find the time with work, and actually wanting to do the thing i love which is the gaming/being live part. I have realized from your videos and experience that the stuff you do outside of being live like TIKTOK/YT is the important part for any growth or sustainability. But its so disheartening to be taken away from the thing i love doing (Gaming and live streaming), and still having to work and earn a living. I guess i just want to say thanks for giving us the advice and tools to at least try make a difference in spite of what we up against.
Love the truth videos you put out. I can’t be a full time grinder like some of those who stream for hours, but even in the little time I do stream on Twitch I feel like it’s really an unhealthy atmosphere. It’s ALL about viewers and going live and not having them can really wear on your mental health pretty fast. Then don’t get me started on the small streamer support groups that just F4F and raid occasional streams with no actual community being grown for the streamer. That’s a super unhealthy and false growth. With RUclips being so connected now, I think your advice is super valid. Im going to start recording instead of streaming so much and pull content out of recordings more.
Lots of good advice. Especially not to grind streaming. Luckily, it's not a job for me. I stream once or twice a week at most and for just 2 hours each time. It is interesting that streaming, long videos and short videos can work well on RUclips, rather than say Twitch and TikTok or RUclips shorts. The chance of cross platform views is very low. People stick to one platform ecosystem as customers. Same with videos on Twitter. They get a lot of views if playing natively in the Tweet but if you have to click through to somewhere else... nah.
This is a great video. You need to market and branch out! A lot of streaming is one random viral opportunity. And to capitalize on that, your branding needs to be top notch, meaning great RUclips, great twitter, and yes - a great stream.
Every time I feel stuck with my content I come watch your videos because you always have such good advice and you always gives me a motivation boost! Thank you so much for these, it really helps remembering what I love about creating videos and streaming.
Sorry for the trolls and negative energy you receive man.. Just know that you are spreading alot of Positivity and knowledge and the Majority of us will always love you for that, Thanks dude!! For always keeping things realistic and teaching me soooo much!!!
Roughly 8 hours a week, not a day, I've decided to keep it to... and to treat that 8 hours as a recording session. It's honestly been the most fun I've had making stuff since I started.
The career of being a live streamer only is more or less not viable anymore. Before covid a really good stream for me was a average of 20+ viewers. Now 4 years later I am at about ten viewers average. Sure I had to take breaks because of life and other things. But the "market" is just flooded and unstable that it just dont make sense as a way of living. Even then I streamed 6 hours 3 times a week. My numbers dident change much when I streamed 3 hours 3 times a week before the pandemic. I have finally gathered my curage to start and do youtube and are writing and filming for my first video so I can release videos starting the new year. Gonna be horrible at first, but at least I am trying.
I think one of the huge (and I bet most underestimated things) people will takeaway from this video (in addition to not destroying time / health with streaming) is the power of truly niching down (or focus), as this makes those 'touches' a heck of a lot easier for both algorithms and more importantly viewers. Something I'll be utilizing with my own (secret) channels I started over the last month or so to really utilize experience I've gained over the years on original channel (minus its MANY mistakes) and the sage experience of others such as yourself. Another great vid, cheers
Interesting video and as a content viewer first and "streamer" second, this is bang on. I only have so much time in my day to view streams, and if I see that it's a streamer who is going to be on for 5 hours, I'll go watch the streamer who is only on for 30 mins first. My thinking is that the "grinding" streamer can be my backup, but rarely will I actually go to that streamers channel as I usually end up getting distracted by some other content.
Strategy! That's what is missing for a lot of people. I'm still learning, but I try and make every single stream better than the last. Streaming that amount is just ridiculous.
I'm newer to streaming but it's something that I genuinely enjoy, and I think your advice is invaluable. I'm not expecting to be successful, but I'm hopeful and have fun learning through expert content creators like you. It's important for all of us to hear this - I didn't take it as harsh for sure - It's all in what we do with the info we're given, and I'm thankful you take the time to give us your advice.
Cliffs: work smarter, not harder. Man, that revelation about Twitch reps telling you that they know their discoverability is crap and basically don't care was depressing to hear. What makes it even more depressing is that it didn't surprise me one bit. Good video. I honesty think you have nothing to worry about, your point came across well.
It doesn't surprise me at all since it's the correct business move. The cost to compete with RUclips's discoverability is way too high for the piddly return they'd see on a niche product like Twitch. They're positioning to be a gaming OnlyFans, and are seeking to reduce costs by shedding the #supportsmallstreamers dead weight that only serve to drain their bandwidth. I expect we'll start to see limitations on small streamer bandwidth use soon. My bet is quotas required to stream above 720p@30 (if not lower), of course with a paid option to bypass said quota.
@@deepruntramp increasing discoverability is actually a relatively small ask in terms of effort. On the other hand, making their ads platform more valuable by making the ads more targeted is a much more technically challenging prospect.
I'm a strong believer in working smarter, not harder (I mean, it's okay to do both, but at least make sure your being smart about what you're doing). Getting started, and not knowing many of the skills that would make content production on various platforms a lot easier in the future, it's likely to take some hard work, but that is time well spent (in my opinion) if it means you can stream a reasonable amount of time each week, and use the awesome tools you've acquired during the learning phase to produce content for a variety of platforms. Your message came across perfect, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the tough love! ;)
I want to say thank you for this video, because I know it will motivated you to keep being honest with us. Building a community, people you love and who love you is a hard and long way - but its not impossible, its just takes time and sustain
Thank you for all your videos!! i know you have helped me in areas I needed work. but I 100 percent agree with this video!! thank you for making it!!!!
hi i'm planning on making content part time with my full time job and am very glad to hear more hours is not more pay. will try to focus on quality more but i'm sure you remember starting out and we all do the best we can. thanks for the video i will take it to heart when starting my stream... someday lol
100%. So far the biggest source of subs for any of my stuff has been video essays I've made about vtubing, and gaming shorts. I've also noticed that if a short flops on youtube it will probably do fairly well on tiktok, and vice versa. (I mean literally a video that gets like 20 views on one will get thousands on the other.) I haven't quite figured out what the difference in taste on both of these sites are, but it's there! My streams are starting to have more and more regulars, too! It's still a very small channel but I'm so glad I haven't burned the last 2 years grinding.
Last year I was streaming 3 days a week for about 2 hours a night. Later that year I upped it to 5 days a week at 2 hours a night because people we're showing up and enjoying and wanted more. So I gave a little more. Now I'm streaming 5 days a week scheduled for 2 and some nights I run into 3. But that's my schedule and it's what my regulars enjoy. I'm spending my time out of streaming going back and making clips or highlights for things that were fun, or fun to me, and then using other time to listen to videos like and try to add new elements to the stream/show and come to terms with the fact I'm going to have to record content to bring to tiktok and youtube if I have any hopes of growth. Thanks for making these informative and useful videos!
Brilliant video! My biggest issue is that I don't use other platforms to grow and I rarely ever see growth on twitch and then lose motivation.... Great video honestly!
I used to believe the Super Grind Mindset™ and did for a long time. I realized it was really rough without anything that felt worthwhile coming from it. After sitting down and reevaluating it all, I came to a similar conclusion to what you were expressing in this video, I just didn't know quite how to put it into words, so thank you for that! Nowadays, I stream a handful of times throughout the week for only a couple hours, whatever I feel comfortable with, and have been enjoying it a lot more, and even have had a small community start to form.
I'm not new at recording on RUclips but I do a couple of streams a week on twitch, no more. I do this for fun. I'm too old to do anything else but what you say makes a boatload of sense and I'm here to say thank you, even if no one else does because we all deserve a pat on the back once in a while. Sometimes the truth is hard medicine to swallow but it's there to make you better.
Thank you for this starting out on Twitch and RUclips. I focused more on RUclips and stream on Twitch for 2 hours, 2 or 3 times a week. But I have been slowly growing my RUclips channel and focusing on that.
I stream basically for the fun of it. I don’t worry about how many hits I get, but my biggest surprise was getting 1300+ views for my simple reaction to the Obi-Wan Kenobi trailer earlier this year.
when i started at the beginning of the year, i was definitely a grinder, and it was working at first. but after a while, i hit a plateau and wasnt getting the new viewers and followers. i started to push myself harder, stream longer, more frequently when i could. until it started to burn me out. id see my average views dipping even though i was streaming more and more. now, I stream a few hours here and there, when i feel like it and i feel like my streams have improved a lot because of it. your videos/advice have been so helpful, thanks a ton man!
FINALLY!!! Doing something that's not working like grinding and hustling puzzles me as a new RUclipsr of just 5 months. I've had so many people comment in lives to me that I'm not dedicated enough and doing a disservice because I refuse to stream at least 10 to 20 hours a week all while telling me they have been on YT or twitch 5, 7 or 12 years and haven't gained more than 2,000 subs and many don't break a few hundred or a thousand views. To me their grinding hasn't worked but tell me I must do it?? I started studying what worked for me and still learning but apply 1 or 2 new techniques a week and track what's working. Work smarter not harder.
Hey Early gang and Notification squad! I hope this video doesn't come across harsh, I've had it in my drafts for a few weeks ready to go out, just a bit nervous people will mistake concern for a personal criticism, also my side channel is doing far better than shown in the video now so that's out of date as well! Hope it is interesting or helps!
🕘Timestamps:
0:00 How Streamers Are Ruining Their Chances To Grow
2:00 The Worst Streaming Mistake New Creators Make!
2:45 Why Growing As A Streamer Is Almost Impossible
3:30 Why 2020 Was Easier To Grow As A Streamer
4:00 The Truth About Growing As A Streamer
4:50 Why Streaming More Hours Means Less Growth
5:00 What Analytic Is Most Important For Stream Growth
6:00 Why Your Motivation To Stream Determines Your Growth
8:00 How Creators Accidentally Ruin Their Own Growth
9:00 How To Grow As A Creator In 2023
11:30 How RUclips Is Helping Small Creators Grow In 2023
13:30 Your Most Important Tool To Growing As A Creator
Nah not too harsh. Everything you're saying is true. If people get the hump then they aren't in the right mindset to succeed. Fun first! Anything else is a bonus.
You know? I think I agree more with what you mean than with the way you put it when you say it's not working harder to stream more hours a day, more days a week. I agree that it's a sign of low effort per hour of content. It certainly requires less mental strength. Maybe the way you put it works better for the majority of streamers, so I'm still intending to share this one with other small streamers.
If anyone is gunna degrade me it’s you and @shallelujah so it’s ok. It’s also like I’m listening to my inner dialogue tear me apart but it’s with a ausi accent now so I kinda believe and trust what the voices are saying now lmfao!
Someone has to tell and rethink everything
You did a great job Eljay, good information and production value as always
I stream for 3 hours, 3 times a week and have fun with it. I have grown less and less over time, but I am treating it more like a hobby these days. The small community of regulars that show up are awesome people, and we still pick up people from time to time and having fun is what matters to me most right now. Solid vid Eljay, grinding achieves nothing but burnout.
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That's almost exactly what I do, even started it to just have my friends see me playing games I care about or they do. At this point, it's much more like a fun hobby that while I take a little seriously, it's just for fun and the rare bits of money.
@@DJSkywalker716 thats what losers say.
Same actually, I've been doing 3 hours, 3 times a week for a few years to balance other things. Growth slowed over the years where I've been stationary for a while, but it's fun with the community I've built 💪🏻
Same here, starting off at 4 hours ish 3 times a week. It's a side gig as I also develop and work on my artistic journey. One of my streams so far is specifically an art stream that motivates me to actually work on more art than I would otherwise, because I LITERALLY have to stream to an audience that is expecting to see some art. Easiest artists-block busting thing ever.
I've taken the last year off of streaming to broaden my knowledge and even studying in fields that I hope IMPROVE my content in the long-term. It also helped me realise that I seriously needed a safety net outside of Streaming and Content Creation, and I can't bank everything on something that's not just feasible. "Stop grinding" is such an important and underrated mindset in this industry. The "Grindset" mentality is severely unhealthy and the sooner people know that, the better. You've never steered us wrong ElJay, and I thank you for that.
Won’t see you at the top then?
@@SAHtoshiDude Well that's the thing. Some people are totally fine with being average or medium size. It's not always about being number #1 in an industry for everyone. Sure you can have that mindset to get you to where you want to go, but even I, with my 870 followers on Facebook, enjoy my smaller community of dedicated viewers. Am I aiming for more, of course, but the competition is too steep, too daring, and too young for me to compete at the top. But best believe I will be having my days in the sun. Happy Streaming!
it literally makes no sense to grind streaming tbh... on my main channel Tuelz i stream like once a week and can get 300 concurrent views and getting 30k views on the stream... i just focus on real videos.... i got 40 million views and 140k subs in the last 3 months like i would literally never have did that streaming. The streams are just random for the fans and the fact i go once a week and dont save them so pppl watch it and it does good plus you can get like $200 of donos for each weekly stream. If i had to give advice it would be just do videos streams tbh arent worth it unless your big
@@tuelzalt with numbers like that you don’t need to grind. Not everyone has that many viewers they can stream one time and be good. You guys don’t wanna grind and make a channel worthwhile then don’t, don’t complain when someone does want to grind and make it past you. See ya on the sidelines fellas lol
@@SAHtoshiDude no but that's the point he was making... just grind normal content. Streaming tbh is lazy... I make animations... it's something most ppl cnt do so I stand out and streaming is just a random thing indo to connect to the fans outside of animations. Ppl really put streaming first and wonder why they dnt grow. Ishospeed and adin Ross are 1 of a million chance of happening. But me gaining 140k subs in one year is hard but way more common. I seen at least 6 YTs get 100k subs in the this year that I've collabed with. It's way more common then blowing up streaming. You have to get a following first before streaming. Even speed had like 60k subs before he started blowing up. Adin too at like 100k like ppl really be having 2k subs and streaming everyday wondering why they aren't growing. A video can get views and subs forever not a stream. Videos from 8 months ago are still giving me like 5-10 subs a day and I upload everyday do imagine all them combined everyday plus new videos I gain around 1k subs a day which is way more then if I streamed everyday. To me personally streaming and leta plays are the laziest content on YT follow by vlogs
I have felt for a while now that i've lost a lot of motivation for streaming. And your videos helped me reorient my thinking and focus more on other platforms. I started focusing on video editing and design to try and improve what I am doing.
I feel good now. Creativity is beginning to flow again which is some thing I haven't felt in to long. So thanks, Eljay! It's awesome to see you succeeding.
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I want to thank you for this. I stopped streaming in June because I was feeling like this. That constantly streaming and not working content like RUclips was hurting me. I've spent the last couple of months relaxing and planning and focusing on what I want to do.
Fast forward and after thinking about all ive learned in my YEARS of streaming, I've deemed 2023 as my repackage. And everything you discussed here are things that I've came up with on my own. Hearing you say this really made a lot of my anxiety and uneasiness dissappear because I feel like I'm moving in the right direction. It makes me excited to once again start creating and adapting. You really have created a monster in me and I love it. Thank you!
This is one of many reasons why I have huge respect for you man. When I started I was streaming 4/5 days a week now I'm streaming 2 days a week for an hour or so. I'm finding it so much more rewarding creating content outside of streaming, making and editing videos and learning new skills and streaming is now secondary. Great advice buddy!
I've always said streaming less is the key, and I get chastised ALL THE TIME when I bring it up! Thank you so much for shedding light on this topic
This is THE most important video for us to watch moving into 2023. I'm sharing this with all my streamer friends. Thank you for this.
Thanks mate :) just hope it helps
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A lot of people do not always have the time to watch a stream, to chat or to show up every day 8h a day like you are doing for them. More people have time for videos that are always available. Twitch is good for letting your viewers enjoy a real time conversation. But time is everyone's most valuable resource. More people appreciate videos (Or even VoD's of your previous streams) more than the time you actually spend live.
Right! I don't watch any streams, but videos I watch at my leisure. People have lives and are busy. I noticed quality of live streams suffer too and videos are always higher quality content.
You’re my favourite creator who helps other creators. Your videos are so high quality, and the video is over before I realise because the topic is so interesting, well presented and your pacing is perfect. You didn’t need to apologise for this, I know it was exactly what I needed to hear. I am so impressed you have all these channels at these quality levels, if you have editors or anyone helping you could you make a video on how to expand your team/find the right people? I’m at the stage where I want to create more but I need help, and I just don’t know where to start looking for someone.
I've tried Editors, but sadly they never work out. Most don't put the time or care in the way I like, I'm not perfect, so I've tried giving people months of practice and feedback. Sadly, most just don't match the style, so I have just decided I'll do it alone and try my best till I can one day find an Editor who gets it :)
@@StreamScheme I’m the same with not feeling like others care as much as I do about the edit! Wow so you do all these channels by yourself?! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Makes me feel lazy 😂 😉
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We can discuss how much easier it is to grow a YT over a Twitch all day, but it's another thing to experience it first hand. I went from grinding out Twitch streams 4 days a week, barely squeezing it with work (often missimg streams because of it x.x) and ignoring YT to releasing a new vid and at least 1 short every day on YT and just streaming once a week for fun. My YT reached 100 subs in less then 2 months; it took my Twitch 10 months to reach that many subs. I'm still learning and growing, of course, but I feel a lot more capable on RUclips than I ever did on Twitch. Just my experience is all ^^
Full disclosure, I'm not just grinding daily vids for the sake of grinding; I legitimately just enjoy making content
This video comes at a perfect time as I've been making this exact transition lately! In 2023 I'm not going to be streaming regularly anymore, instead I'll fully focus on making content for RUclips as that it the one thing I've gained energy from over the past months.
Also I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I really appreciate the 'real talk' about content creation and streaming. I never think you're too harsh on us, but then again I've also never streamed 7 days a week for 8 hours straight, so I've never felt attacked either xD
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I really appreciate this. I just celebrated 1 year on Twitch yesterday after not streaming for two weeks due to finals and the support I received was over the top. They didn't care that I had taken time off from streaming. I've been active in my discord that I share with a few other streamer and they were genuinely stoked to see me. It's not about quantity. It's about quality yeah?
I use to get a lot of shame for only streaming twice a week for an hour or so. “You aren’t streaming long enough” was what they said. In reality, I was working on other projects learning new skills to make my content better. I mastered TikTok, launched a horror podcast and leaned how to manage my social media well. I may not have the largest following, but I am proud to say I have very close community of followers and fans. This year, I am working on revamping my RUclips with a new idea that I will launch in February. Again, learning new skills, having fun and diversifying my content is my goal… and I am hitting that every week.
Imagine the amazing video you could make in 8 hours that has the potential to be seen for a year or two continuously. Rather then a stream that when it ends, no one will ever watch again
I was streaming a good amount before starting my RUclips channel but ended up taking a long break due to some life change (all good things). I fully agree with the "stream less" approach. At the moment I am planning on just streaming once a week on Twitch for a couple of hours or so which is a lot less than I was doing before. My main focus is this little RUclips channel that I'm slowly working on. I'm not on here thinking I'm going to get super famous and rich, I have just found that I enjoy creating content and its been cool to see how my content progresses in quality as I go! Not everything has been a hit and I can't always post consistently due to time (full time job and family) but it's been fun so far!
Growing IS incredibly hard as a streamer, but my favourite part of it is the real time interaction with viewers. I'd love streaming and content creation to be my full time career, BUT, for now I work a full time job, am a single father and am an active charity activist so I slot my editing/streaming in between. However I do watch your videos and others like it when they come online, I try new practices while editing all the time and see myself improving. Growth has been slow but It does exist.
I appreciate the honesty though. You're a top chap. You won't be destroyed.
Thank you so much for saying your piece about this! I'm glad it's not just me who can't stand the grind/hustle culture with streaming. As someone who works full time but interested in streaming, that mindset really feels like a gatekeeper comment to prevent people who want to look into streaming cuz they can start to believe the falsehood that you have to be LIVE sooooo many hours out of the day in order to grow. Thank you for sharing~ ♥
Truly crazy a platform convinced people to literally donate their lives for basically nothing in return. Ive always found that to be a strange phenomena for majority of streamers. Im also really suprised no other company has managed to outperform twitch because so many people are trying their best to make it work
True talk, I’ve found that when I “grind” everyday my “regulars” don’t show up ironically, but when I take a few days off and then stream, my regulars show up. It’s weird, but I guess it contributes to “distance makes the heart grow stronger.” Distance meaning the space between streams and heart meaning the viewership. Best thing we all can do is set up a weekly schedule and stick to that schedule: M/W/F @ 4PM. No more, no less. Thanks buddy! Great video! 👍🏻👍🏻
I started streaming just 3 days ago. This video is a nice wake up call for me, but also, inspiration and a push to put myself out there. I have the youtube channel for a reason, and you're absolutely right about using this first, and then the stream. As someone whos completely new to content creation, any advice(harsh or not) is good to have. Put's me in a real mindset, and not trying to have that grind mentality. I'm not trying to dig myself into a hole that I can't climb out of. Streaming for me right now is for fun, but it's also long, long term goal.
Thank you
It's a hard truth that I needed to hear. My most successful piece of content ever was a video card review that has almost 60k views. I fell out of making edited content (or any content at all) for over a year. Coming back, I've been streaming a few days a week for a few months, and that video still gets more views every week than all my recent streams combined. I know I need to create shorts and go back to crafting edited videos, but my biggest hurdle is getting that creative bug. I feel like it's this switch with a mind of it's own that decides when it wants to turn itself on, and until that moment comes I beat my head against a brick wall for ideas.
Anyways, great vid! I've stumbled on your content a few times, finally hit the sub button!
All the people who tear you up are just people who don't like hearing they were wrong. I can accept the fact of you have been streaming and creating for far longer than everyone watching stream scheme and if we should to ask anyone how we should do it, it should be streamers who already faced these struggles. You're our mentors in a way. (Video was amazing BTW)
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Started streaming in February of this year. What a grind it has been. I really didn't know what to properly do to grow at all until around May I would say. But lately I've just been dropping in stats all around so now I am trying to refocus on making better quality shorts that viewers enjoy and will go from there. I think the biggest struggle part for me at this point is the time/effort on making long form content worth it right now. RUclips shorts seem to being going in a good direction for me so I am super happy about that. Now just trying to figure out what the next best steps are to grow.
Glad to have caught this one as early as I did.
I've been saying the same thing to myself, as someone who has been within the content creation circle for over 8 years now, but only really had true passion for it for the last 15 months or so, it's been helpful.
I work a 9-5 in the UK, and realistically, my time would be much better spent making more on demand content, which is what i've been working on learning now for over a month. Hours piled into passion projects in Premiere Pro, just to get my own editing style ready. Alongside this, streams have been doing well too. But it is upsetting to see people who will go live every single day, skip meals etc and not think to themselves at some point "surely this can't be the right thing to do". Twitch literally doesn't show any form of care for its smaller creators, which is proven with their lack of response to follow bots and hate raids, (I get both quite frequently but we move) when its literally an API feature they need to disable. (I know its more than that, but the bottom line of it is that it could just be a toggle on the list of permissions an app may want)
I'm excited to see what the true benefit will be on a personal scale, when I start to get the content I want to make pushed out, the fuel is there, and so is the match, I just need to spark it and let it go.
Always a pleasure to watch the videos too, insights into things I wouldn't have thought about otherwise. Insanely valuable.
Legend
I love the realism that you provide and I do try and add everything that you said and it’s starting to work thank you so much for the amazing advice on how to create
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I just hit affiliate in a little under 2 months. I like to stick to the days for streaming but vary my times. And I am on so many different platforms. Honestly, the engagement with viewers in Discord is huge, but I value the advise on shorts. I see long streams as my fun time, but I plan to short them all by around 20% so I can focus the rest of that time I already have set aside on growing my skill set and learning more tech to reach people. This is a dream for me, but I also know we live in a different time. Thank you for this video! It makes me feel like I'm making the right decisions as the rest of the world is starting to get back to "normal".
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I've been streaming on twitch in almost 5 years, and i noticed this year it's been slow and different, and it didn't feel the same as it use to be on twitch. So i decided to move to youtube, and my youtube is growing, slowly but it's growing.
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I take my time to animate to my videos, which is actually good, because i work as a illustrator on a company, so i'm allowed to animate and do my comics on my job. 😀🥰
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“ not sponsored, don’t buy this “ now that right there for some reason had me dying 💀
As someone who has been mostly streaming via Twitch since it's "easy content" - I genuinely needed to hear everything in this video.
I've been wanting to focus more on RUclips content (long-form + shorts) for a while now, but I've been very tunnel-visioned on Twitch as my main platform, even when I was telling myself that I was just using my Twitch stream as a method to record content, I always ended up hyper-focusing more on Twitch than everything else.
I'm currently in the process of planning out how to run my RUclips channel going into 2023 using some of the advice from various videos you've provided us. and I think I have a solid foundation ready to go!
This is great information, I tapped in thinking you were going to talk about twitch vs RUclips , but no you hit a topic which i agree. Once I started streaming lees and working more in content I’ve actually had more engagement with viewers
Eljay with the real talk as always. Streaming IS absolutely easier to do than video editing, and definitely more immediately fun. And we should get to have some fun, right? I'd almost say that's where some of the resistance is to focusing on more permanent content.... but I dunno, this grinding doesn't seem like much fun at all.
As another point, it's very easy to hit "go live", but it takes work to make a good stream. Just like it's easy to open DaVinci Resolve and haphazardly trim some clips, but it's gratifying and rewarding work to learn how to actually make proper videos. Source: me, who is finally getting over her Bad At Video Editing nerves and getting excited about it.
It's been really interesting watching you making this shift from Twitch to evergreen content over the past year and honestly, I appreciate it. I've valued your opinions and words in every place you have stated them and this is a hard truth video that no one wants to hear, but truly needs to. Thank you for always being real.
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bro thank you so much for this, im one of those people your talking about who do countless hours of livestreams if you check youll see what i mean, so im really taking this all in and i will be making HUGE changes to how often and how long i live stream. Thank you again for this, i needed a " slap in the face " to wake me up. ps: Dont worry about how this video does or the reactions because only the serious creators will understand what your saying in this video. CHEERS
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OMG please don't be sorry!!! Thank you so much for all the SOLID advice you give! I have been slowly but surely increasing increasing my youtube content thanks to the advice you have given! Yeah I have been slow to start with only bi weekly videos, but I am getting there! I look forward to your next video!
6 followers on twitch here :)) Trying to improve and learn and from all that I have researched on this topic, yours was genuine, honest and filled with good advice as opposed to a "standard" list of tips and tricks
This video resonates with me so hard. I wish i had seen this 2 years ago, i was caught up in the endless twitch grind of long hours and daily streams.
I've suffered burnout and even survived a damn stroke and it's within the past few months I've shifted gears out of my old ways to focus more on RUclips and other platforms.
I'm learning how to edit, I've started with shorts and I'm working on my first long form video. I'm excited to grow and make good content so that i don't NEED stress about twitch subs and relying on that for income.
Ive just begun doing many of the steps you mentioned so it's reassuring I'm making the right decisions for long term success.
Would be cool to pick your brain some time, thank you for this video.
Thanks for this video! I was trying to understand how can I grow up with streams and creating content, and your video was the answer I needed.
Thanks for your dedication to teach small creators to grow up.
I applaud you for telling the hard truths people need but don’t wanna hear 👏🏾
I 100% agree, LJ. I was streaming 40 plus hours a week, and burning out while growing at a very slow rate. I've recently quit and am in the process of revamping my RUclips channel to focus on it as my primary content platform as well as short form content for other platforms. My plan is to do this for six months to a year, and then to relaunch my live stream as a secondary means of content creation.
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hey! I do all of these! I am still new, but it is working ! I think something it would be cool to see you talk about next time (just because I like your content!) is that also, when you get people to come over to twitch, you have to make them feel welcome/give them a reason to stay since its not the same as a 10 min vid. or short! I see some people make this mistake, and they end up having a really big twitch following, but not high ccv! im curious what you would have to say! But this video, and all it contains, are really important thing and I have found all of them to be true in the short time I have been here!
Thanks for your videos mister. Because of your help affiliate came in 45 days and RUclips is growing as well with little effort. Now to put in the extra effort with the edited content and I’ll be caught up to you in no time. Keep up the work mister I appreciate it!
This is so encouraging u have no idea…TY. As a newb I’m currently been feeling this lately but I honestly don’t care about the daily long hours & or playing most popular games. I just wanna have fun & actually enjoy what i’m doing & if i can inspire just a few people, so be it ⚡️🙏🏽⚡️
Definitely a good videao here! And let's face it, yes, indeed, the streaming landscape is now different than it was 2 years ago -- I am myself a "lockdown streamer" (and a lockdown viewer as wlel, in fact!). So I'm really not surprised at all.
Great video!! 👍 love your snorlax in the background, I have the same one! ❤️😊
I wonder how many people will watch all the way through and have the self-reflection to realize this video is talking about them.
I really don't get the idea of "stream all the time and hope". Such a waste of time.
Thanks for this video.
I'm just worried the people who this video is for will see it as negative criticism rather than concern and advice to help reach the goal they clearly want.
@@StreamScheme real. Sometimes you can get through to people and sometimes you can't. But if it saves one person from grinding their life away for nothing, then mission accomplished.
Your videos are always so damn insightful! Thank you for this!
I feel so awkward because a lot of my local streamers (streamers who are about my size) are all in this grindset mindset and from my perspective it's quite infectious. It's not the mindset I've taken and as a result it often feels kind of isolating- which of course is probably a lot of the reason why so many smaller streamers adapt that mindset.
Thank you for this video- it's informative and affirms a lot of my feelings towards content creation!
Edit: STOP SAYING SORRY DARNIT!!
Love this video! I get pretty concerned for my streaming buddies when I see them streaming for 6hrs or 12hrs - like, dang, even from a 'growth' perspective it feels so risky to their health. And so many streamers, especially young streamers, don't really believe deep-down that their time has value. I made a conscious choice not to work a job with 12-hour shifts despite better pay because of the severe health impact out-of-hours ('unsocial hours' for USA peeps I think?) work has, there's no way I'm doing an 8hr stream for a fraction of what I'd get doing my full time job, especially when that sort of regular lengthy stream is going to put me in the risk zone for carpal tunnel and various musculature issues.
can't get full time results without putting in full time work
this was really useful man, thanks a ton! i'd already planned out a good bit of this but this has REALLY helped me. Right now thanks to you and a few other streamers golden nuggets of info, i've decided to improve my ability to be interesting for a few streams then when im more happy i feel like i can push out to creating content around stuff that im proud of. again, just thanks a ton!
Man I gotta say I’ve been live streaming for almost a year now, as to which I’m seen some growth however now I’m starting to feel stuck. Glad I came across a few of your videos within the past week. They’ve been helpful 😊
grinding just burned me out when I first started years ago. Recently I just do it when I have time, no set schedule; but even then I still get subs or followers stop by and say hi and chill when they can too. It just feels more chill when you do it on your free time whilst still allowing yourself to live (eat, sleep, shower, 💩; etc.). as a small streamer and channel, having one viewer means ALOT especially when I play horror games cuz then I'm not as scared lol 😂.
Honestly~ I do agree with Eljay's view on this~ I've been streaming for quite sometime (4 years to be exactly) and it got me nowhere to even monetize my contents~
So now I just enjoy what I do regardless of viewships (sometimes even zero) and look forward to create more fond memories to watch back when I am old in the future ^_^
I couldn't agree more with this take on streaming.
I used to stream 3 days a week for 2 or 3 hours and was getting no where.
Now I concentrate that time on shorts and videos less than 5 mins and its boosted the channel way more in 5 months than streaming did in 3 years. Thats just the truth.
Great video man
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Great video! Honestly if the lockdowns didn't happen, we would have be saying this back in 2019. I recently did a interview show with a Facebook Gaming Partner who was preaching the same thing.
I think small streamers or should I say aspiring entrepreneurs who want to start a content creation business, need to heed this message with the upmost seriousness. As my interveiwee said, "...going live isn't the headline anymore."
Honestly I had a good amount of growth in my first year which was 2020 and I have noticed that my streams have been quieter as of late but I have to remind myself daily that everyone’s back out there doing school or going to work now. and thankfully I know when to start doing things differently and I was quick to realize that I probably have to do content elsewhere just to get where I want to with streaming and growing a community, So I’m glad you put this up to help those who don’t know about things like this! 👍
I’ve started on a new this year, I’m aiming for the big 1k this year, I’ve done a couple weeks of a new system for me, weekly schedules, granted I’m small, 460, but since changing things up and streaming on RUclips, I average 3 streams a week for about 3 hours, and around that I’ve recycled funny clips and highlights from those streams for TikTok, RUclips Shorts and Instagram Reels, and since making this change I have gone from 406 to 460+ this year alone and I feel this will only keep rising. I agree that grinding is horrible and I struggle personally holding down 8+ hour streams especially daily and luckily I’ve never fell into that pit of darkness. It’s nice to know you are a fellow Poké/Nintentuber. I’m just trying to think with this system, how I can go even further, I’ve increased my editing style and improving the quality side of things when and where I can.
Quite honestly this video is what we need to see in 2023, since Covid and TikTok taking off, short form content has become the new norm for consuming content alongside live streams
I've taken an extremely long break from streaming. When I first started I didn't realize how much it took to grow. At first, I was just streaming so I could take a look back at the moments of me and my friend playing together, or I just wanted to make people laugh and smile. Sometimes, I don't even know IF I'll get back to streaming anytime soon. I've been mostly recording my gameplays on OBS to look back on. Also, I'm not that good of a commentator in general. When streaming alone, I'm more of the silent type. But to be honest, I found that streaming back in.... 2000 something Idk when I started streaming, probably 2019 or somewhere near there, it was so much easier to stream. But now I just never feel like streaming, it's like the enjoyment of streaming has gone completely for me. I still look back at when I did stream and I am so so glad I have moments I can look back on.
I used to watch what other streamers were doing and try to emulate what they were doing. That was not working for me at all and I kinda gave up on trying to stream at that point. After a couple months of not streaming I went live again and started streaming every couple of days just things that I wanted to actually do like playthroughs and such. I also just started being myself more. After I did that I started getting views and follows and within two months I made affiliate. I have a very small community but they are loyal and being small allows me to connect with viewers that are now mods in my channel and discord and I play games with them on and off stream and have even gotten them started streaming. I have watched alot of your vids on here taking bits and pieces of each and applying it. It has helped alot so I owe alot of my growth to your advice on your videos. Thank you!
I waited to watch this and just finished watching it today, and it was really nice to hear that. Thanks for making this.
The visual and emotional depth created by Danny DeVito ominously lurking in the background is masterful to say the least....that all.
That’s my dad :)
Having an audience that is conditioned to wait a couple days for you, are more likely to return after an hiatus. So u may see daily streams as something good, but after a long break u might lose more viewers compared to someone that streams twice a week.
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Great video, i put most of my eggs in a rockstar games basket and let my rpgs, secondary, and retro channel suffer even though thats where most my passion is , feel like im letting down the small audience ive built streaming and putting out daily disposable videos instead of evergreen content. I've stopped drinking now i need to grind social, shorts and evergreen content to funnel my true audience to my passions. this video was a great reminder. thank you
i have just recently started to focuse my content on other platforms as i was feeling abit stale and feeling like i wasn't getting anything out of twitch anymore yes i still stream on twitch here and there but recently my main focus has been youtube and tic tok its good to hear exactly what i have been thinking the past few days.
Feels good to know I’m not the only one thinking this. I got burned out from streaming Sep 2022 after being in a contract for 2yrs forcing me to stream 6 to sometimes 10hrs a day. Never had any time to edit or grow elsewhere and felt like I was throwing great content away day in and day out. Jan 2023 i’m now free of that contract and picked up photoshop to start learning how to create my own thumbnails and build a audience on youtube. This video was exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you! -new sub as well 💯
I just want to say thank you for your videos. I have to work a normal job and i started streaming because i love gaming and i enjoyed sharing awesome moments with friends and i learnt to love the interaction when people do come watch and chat. Because of your advice i started doing some TIKTOK and YT shorts, but its hard to find the time with work, and actually wanting to do the thing i love which is the gaming/being live part. I have realized from your videos and experience that the stuff you do outside of being live like TIKTOK/YT is the important part for any growth or sustainability. But its so disheartening to be taken away from the thing i love doing (Gaming and live streaming), and still having to work and earn a living. I guess i just want to say thanks for giving us the advice and tools to at least try make a difference in spite of what we up against.
Love the truth videos you put out. I can’t be a full time grinder like some of those who stream for hours, but even in the little time I do stream on Twitch I feel like it’s really an unhealthy atmosphere. It’s ALL about viewers and going live and not having them can really wear on your mental health pretty fast. Then don’t get me started on the small streamer support groups that just F4F and raid occasional streams with no actual community being grown for the streamer. That’s a super unhealthy and false growth. With RUclips being so connected now, I think your advice is super valid. Im going to start recording instead of streaming so much and pull content out of recordings more.
Lots of good advice. Especially not to grind streaming. Luckily, it's not a job for me. I stream once or twice a week at most and for just 2 hours each time. It is interesting that streaming, long videos and short videos can work well on RUclips, rather than say Twitch and TikTok or RUclips shorts. The chance of cross platform views is very low. People stick to one platform ecosystem as customers. Same with videos on Twitter. They get a lot of views if playing natively in the Tweet but if you have to click through to somewhere else... nah.
Stop streaming, start creating. Best advice I've gotten in a long time. I actually appreciate this perspective a lot.
This is a great video. You need to market and branch out! A lot of streaming is one random viral opportunity. And to capitalize on that, your branding needs to be top notch, meaning great RUclips, great twitter, and yes - a great stream.
Every time I feel stuck with my content I come watch your videos because you always have such good advice and you always gives me a motivation boost! Thank you so much for these, it really helps remembering what I love about creating videos and streaming.
i recently came across your videos, love them! ive had great success growing so far and these tips are gonna help ten fold to continue!
Sorry for the trolls and negative energy you receive man.. Just know that you are spreading alot of Positivity and knowledge and the Majority of us will always love you for that, Thanks dude!! For always keeping things realistic and teaching me soooo much!!!
This was super helpful thank you so much. It was the wake up call I needed.
Roughly 8 hours a week, not a day, I've decided to keep it to... and to treat that 8 hours as a recording session. It's honestly been the most fun I've had making stuff since I started.
The career of being a live streamer only is more or less not viable anymore.
Before covid a really good stream for me was a average of 20+ viewers. Now 4 years later I am at about ten viewers average. Sure I had to take breaks because of life and other things. But the "market" is just flooded and unstable that it just dont make sense as a way of living. Even then I streamed 6 hours 3 times a week. My numbers dident change much when I streamed 3 hours 3 times a week before the pandemic.
I have finally gathered my curage to start and do youtube and are writing and filming for my first video so I can release videos starting the new year. Gonna be horrible at first, but at least I am trying.
Thats awesome! I wish you the best with your content creation career! +1 follow from me.
I think one of the huge (and I bet most underestimated things) people will takeaway from this video (in addition to not destroying time / health with streaming) is the power of truly niching down (or focus), as this makes those 'touches' a heck of a lot easier for both algorithms and more importantly viewers. Something I'll be utilizing with my own (secret) channels I started over the last month or so to really utilize experience I've gained over the years on original channel (minus its MANY mistakes) and the sage experience of others such as yourself. Another great vid, cheers
Nah, you're for real dude. You're helpful. I was thinkin about streaming, and honestly, I'm quitting it. I am gonna focus on my youtube.
Interesting video and as a content viewer first and "streamer" second, this is bang on. I only have so much time in my day to view streams, and if I see that it's a streamer who is going to be on for 5 hours, I'll go watch the streamer who is only on for 30 mins first. My thinking is that the "grinding" streamer can be my backup, but rarely will I actually go to that streamers channel as I usually end up getting distracted by some other content.
Strategy! That's what is missing for a lot of people. I'm still learning, but I try and make every single stream better than the last. Streaming that amount is just ridiculous.
I'm newer to streaming but it's something that I genuinely enjoy, and I think your advice is invaluable. I'm not expecting to be successful, but I'm hopeful and have fun learning through expert content creators like you. It's important for all of us to hear this - I didn't take it as harsh for sure - It's all in what we do with the info we're given, and I'm thankful you take the time to give us your advice.
Cliffs: work smarter, not harder.
Man, that revelation about Twitch reps telling you that they know their discoverability is crap and basically don't care was depressing to hear. What makes it even more depressing is that it didn't surprise me one bit. Good video. I honesty think you have nothing to worry about, your point came across well.
It doesn't surprise me at all since it's the correct business move. The cost to compete with RUclips's discoverability is way too high for the piddly return they'd see on a niche product like Twitch. They're positioning to be a gaming OnlyFans, and are seeking to reduce costs by shedding the #supportsmallstreamers dead weight that only serve to drain their bandwidth. I expect we'll start to see limitations on small streamer bandwidth use soon. My bet is quotas required to stream above 720p@30 (if not lower), of course with a paid option to bypass said quota.
@@deepruntramp increasing discoverability is actually a relatively small ask in terms of effort. On the other hand, making their ads platform more valuable by making the ads more targeted is a much more technically challenging prospect.
Oy! Solid Vid! Appreciate the realistic approach to streaming, as well as all the good tidbits in here that could help a new streamer.
I'm a strong believer in working smarter, not harder (I mean, it's okay to do both, but at least make sure your being smart about what you're doing). Getting started, and not knowing many of the skills that would make content production on various platforms a lot easier in the future, it's likely to take some hard work, but that is time well spent (in my opinion) if it means you can stream a reasonable amount of time each week, and use the awesome tools you've acquired during the learning phase to produce content for a variety of platforms.
Your message came across perfect, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the tough love! ;)
I want to say thank you for this video, because I know it will motivated you to keep being honest with us. Building a community, people you love and who love you is a hard and long way - but its not impossible, its just takes time and sustain
Thank you for all your videos!! i know you have helped me in areas I needed work. but I 100 percent agree with this video!! thank you for making it!!!!
hi i'm planning on making content part time with my full time job and am very glad to hear more hours is not more pay. will try to focus on quality more but i'm sure you remember starting out and we all do the best we can. thanks for the video i will take it to heart when starting my stream... someday lol
100%. So far the biggest source of subs for any of my stuff has been video essays I've made about vtubing, and gaming shorts. I've also noticed that if a short flops on youtube it will probably do fairly well on tiktok, and vice versa. (I mean literally a video that gets like 20 views on one will get thousands on the other.) I haven't quite figured out what the difference in taste on both of these sites are, but it's there!
My streams are starting to have more and more regulars, too! It's still a very small channel but I'm so glad I haven't burned the last 2 years grinding.
Last year I was streaming 3 days a week for about 2 hours a night.
Later that year I upped it to 5 days a week at 2 hours a night because people we're showing up and enjoying and wanted more. So I gave a little more.
Now I'm streaming 5 days a week scheduled for 2 and some nights I run into 3. But that's my schedule and it's what my regulars enjoy. I'm spending my time out of streaming going back and making clips or highlights for things that were fun, or fun to me, and then using other time to listen to videos like and try to add new elements to the stream/show and come to terms with the fact I'm going to have to record content to bring to tiktok and youtube if I have any hopes of growth.
Thanks for making these informative and useful videos!
Brilliant video! My biggest issue is that I don't use other platforms to grow and I rarely ever see growth on twitch and then lose motivation.... Great video honestly!
I used to believe the Super Grind Mindset™ and did for a long time. I realized it was really rough without anything that felt worthwhile coming from it. After sitting down and reevaluating it all, I came to a similar conclusion to what you were expressing in this video, I just didn't know quite how to put it into words, so thank you for that! Nowadays, I stream a handful of times throughout the week for only a couple hours, whatever I feel comfortable with, and have been enjoying it a lot more, and even have had a small community start to form.
The best piece of advice I ever got was simply being told "You do not grow while you are live."
I'm not new at recording on RUclips but I do a couple of streams a week on twitch, no more. I do this for fun. I'm too old to do anything else but what you say makes a boatload of sense and I'm here to say thank you, even if no one else does because we all deserve a pat on the back once in a while. Sometimes the truth is hard medicine to swallow but it's there to make you better.
Definitely wise words here. A burnt out streamer, for one, is not going to help anything
You sir are fantastic!!
Just earned a new sub and a MASSIVE amount of respect!
Have a happy holiday!
Thank you for this starting out on Twitch and RUclips. I focused more on RUclips and stream on Twitch for 2 hours, 2 or 3 times a week. But I have been slowly growing my RUclips channel and focusing on that.
AWESOME and SOLID tips bro, thanks for the quality content u provide!
I stream basically for the fun of it. I don’t worry about how many hits I get, but my biggest surprise was getting 1300+ views for my simple reaction to the Obi-Wan Kenobi trailer earlier this year.
when i started at the beginning of the year, i was definitely a grinder, and it was working at first. but after a while, i hit a plateau and wasnt getting the new viewers and followers. i started to push myself harder, stream longer, more frequently when i could. until it started to burn me out. id see my average views dipping even though i was streaming more and more. now, I stream a few hours here and there, when i feel like it and i feel like my streams have improved a lot because of it. your videos/advice have been so helpful, thanks a ton man!
FINALLY!!! Doing something that's not working like grinding and hustling puzzles me as a new RUclipsr of just 5 months.
I've had so many people comment in lives to me that I'm not dedicated enough and doing a disservice because I refuse to stream at least 10 to 20 hours a week all while telling me they have been on YT or twitch 5, 7 or 12 years and haven't gained more than 2,000 subs and many don't break a few hundred or a thousand views.
To me their grinding hasn't worked but tell me I must do it??
I started studying what worked for me and still learning but apply 1 or 2 new techniques a week and track what's working.
Work smarter not harder.