emperor hated religion which is where the whole 40k theory of one of the now long long forgotten chaos gods got its power from..essentially a atheist god that hated the other gods and on numerous attempts tried to kill them and the chaos gods became afraid so they started the plan to cause the heresy.
Also the "Lectitio Divinitatus" basically the Bible of the Imperium was written by the Primarch Lorgar - who just happend to be a bloody traitor and daemon-worshiper.
My best friend growing up got DEEP into 40k and would tell me all this shit about the lore and I always just sort of "that's crazy bro" him and never got into it myself. He unfortuantely died of cancer 10 years ago now. I just recently decided to jump in and start reading the books and found you through Sargon and that Chaos apologist video. Listening to your videos brings me back to hanging out with my buddy and I just wish I could go back and share in the joy of this utterly insane universe. But thank you for this library of content so I can bro out with my friend in spirit. It's weirdly emotional, and I appreciate it.
I started with a video game called warhammer battlemarch also known as marked of chaos I believe. It made me a lifetime warhammer player that I am today. I don't stick to any one faction. Unlike my friend who is a deathwing terminators fanatic who can't see himself playing anything else I have several favorite factions in warhammer and that includes the orcs, orruks or orks more commonly known as greenskins as well as other human factions in 40K and age of sigmar and I Plat chaos undivided as well. Fielding any one of the armies of the ruinous powers as I see fit to do so as it's a don't make me pick a favorite situation when it comes to them.
santa clause is a russian dmeon of true lore , parents to get kids to sleep would use him that if they didnt goto bed hed eat them and thus its also why cookies and milk were left out...funny the usa thinks hes just a cute lil fat guy on a sleigh
@@Jellymiqo look no brain where do you think i live , see your idiot assumption is that im in some far away distant land i was referring to santa's origins one can also see holloween has been corupted by corporations and govt you dont know how much your manipulated till ya getz some of dat educationzzz do open thy mouth more and let everyone know how foolish and inept at reality you really are and mom has your meds
He sees you when you're sleeping He knows when you're awake He knows if you've been bad or good So be good for goodness sake BTW Have you ever noticed how fucked up "Santa Claus Is Comin' song is? Seriously,read lyrics while imagine deep terrifying voice
Arch is the type of person that would be perfect to explain all kinds of shit, including how to change a car wheel or the procedure to effectively cook pasta.
He recently wondered about other kinds of lore to explore and to talk about. I absolutely agree, even changing the car wheel or cooking would be awesome in this manner of narration.
Who could ever believe that the gigantic amount of preservatives put on food would protect us against the Plaguefather? Yeah, it saps our longevity, but IT IS SOOOO GOOD!
So this means that the God Emperor is actually many times more powerful than all the evil big chaos gods combined? Nearly all humans believe he can do literally anything. Is he just held back by his nearly dead body?
James Stewart alot of lore enthusiasts believe that when the emperor fully dies, he will fully manifest in the warp and become a powerful warp entity, more than likely a god.
Actually, the Emperor doesn't approve. He wanted to keep all this silent under the Imperial Truth. It fell to great Lorgar to educate humanity with faith and fire.
And then further went on to mention that whips where one of his kinks in a video after that... its almost as if he needed to go somewhere to get sex off of his mind xD She who thirsts would be proud.
That is the Imperium's plan of EPIC Fail Because the Imperium keeps feeding Chaos despite its BEST attempts against it Peaceful Meditation can be interpreted a variety of ways (many of which STILL feed the Warp and Chaos) Ironically, many Chaos Lords practice Meditation. Keeps them from losing their competence
"it is what you might call a trap..." * Shows picture of one of anime's traps, I. E. a boy that looks eerily like a girl... * You don't say... well at least he has a sense of humor both of us can enjoy ^_^
+Ethan McDonald The encroaching silence of malice consumes your writhing plans of fate. Their chains broken and cast off into the infinty of the immaterium. Malice consumes all.
+Arch Warhammer Please tell me what you think of this deliberation. I believe Tzeentch actually both loves and hates Humanity because they are the embodiment of himself. They are a species of many faults, two in particular contradict one another so profoundly that the god can't help but take notice. They have been innovative, the very pinnacle of change, and yet they can stagnate to near pre-industrial ages. Their emotions can change on a whim; just introduce an outside element and they can either refuse to change or become an entirely different person. Very much like Tzeentch. He is the Lord of Change. Change is not always bad, but it's not always good either. Change can be good in the form of invention and evolution, but it can also mean to switch from that into stagnation and devolution. Tzeentch plans contradict himself because he is a contradiction as well. He can change in good ways but, despite his initial plans, he can change into something that would hinder himself and his earlier plans, forcing him to make new plans. He is at constant war with himself more than he is with the other Gods. His nature forces him to evolve and stagnate against his own desires. I believe he sees Humanity as the embodiment of his own struggle so if he can somehow manipulate Humanity to achieve a positive result in the end, he could theoretically use that experiment to fix himself, but then he will contradict himself and degrade at points most detrimental to his 'master goal,' creating a never ending cycle. He hates the Emperor. He calls him the Anathema. With his vast knowledge, why would Tzeentch use that one word to describe the Emperor? I believe it is because the Emperor is what Tzeentch himself desires to be: a complete being who can bring change and never change himself. He envies Humanity for this is their fullest potential personified while he is stuck in his tumultuous state. This is why Tzeentch loves and hates both himself and Humanity. His complexity is greater then even his own mind can comprehend. He realizes that his master plan will always be impossible to achieve despite what he tells his underlings. Perhaps this revelation is something he considers his greatest challenge and if there's something Tzeentch would love, it'd be a perpetually unsolvable problem to solve yet hate due to not being able to solve it. This dilemma is a never ending war of change, to change in a series of ways to eventually overcome his own need to change. This challenge embodies Tzeentch himself, much like Humanity, thus he both loves and hates himself as much as he loves and hates Humanity. Try not to let this blow up your mind.
IRL : "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making people think he didn't exist !" 40K : "the greatest trick the devils ever pulled, was making people KNOW they existed !" When you think about it, that's the true victory of the Horus Heresy : the marine legions, setting back the Imperium, even the maiming of the Emperor ! they were just nice side effects !
So does the part on daemons are effected by local beliefs explain why the "wolf spirits" on Fenris act more like what the space wolves believe rather than like normal daemons?
Blood for the blood god? Skulls for the skull throne? Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!
so let me get this straight if a million people in the imperium of man believed the emperor will resurrect tomorrow it will happen ? because that is awesome
technically the concept of "dead"docent exist in the warp, a god might fade away but calling said god "dead" would be incorrect, powerless is probably a better definition.
would it theoretically be possible to change the nature of the warp gods through collective belief? If enough people in the imperium started thinking or feeling a certain way about Tzeentch would that result in him possibly becoming less of an asshat?
No. See people don't even KNOW, about Tzeentch. Or Khorne or any of them. That information is solely retained by the Inquisition, Chaos Marines/fallen, and the Chaos entities themselves. We can't change anything, because A.) About 99% of makind doesn't know about Tzeentch, and B.) If we know of any Chaos entity, that opening allows them to flood in, corrupt whisper and taint us, and even just resisting that is exhausting and destructive, so we'd never be able to influence anything before most people were just enslaved and serving. As a final caveat, as something that relies on change to feed....Tzeentch would LOVE, to be seen as nice. It would make the betrayal and subsequent energies of change taste all the sweeter
Theoretically, if the entire Imperium spontaneously not o my gained knowledge of Tzeentch, it also believed with their entire hearts that he was ALSO the Chaos God of fluffy puppies and hu gs, what would hapen? That's the questoon.
If everyone started believing that Tzeench is a God of pizza and puppies then that might slightly change the way Tzeench behaves but you also need to convince everyone that they need to stop being hopeful and ambitious. Also keep in mind that you would need to spread and maintain this galaxy spanning religion that believes that puppies and pizza are the greatest things in existence and that change, hope and ambition are unholy while the God you are worshipping is trying his best to stop you from irreversibly changing him.
A lot of chaos champion weapons are infused with daemons. Can see a lot of examples in the literature. Example The Berzerker Glaive is a weapon that the bearer must constantly fight with to remain in control of. The blade contains the bound essence of a Bloodletter which has been driven truly insane by its captivity
Nobody really knows he's on the border of being a material being and a warp entity and nobody wants to push or pull him in one direction out of fear of him creating a second Eye of Terror on Terra
"... the emperor himself is also almost certainly to some extent a Chaos God." That sounds like the "heretical" bell of truth, you should report to your local commissar.
side effects of demonic summoning lots and lots of screaming, blood raining from the sky, taxes you know the usual signs of the apocalypse -Arch warhammer i loled at this for a solid minute
no, not demons, the orks have the ability to believe there weapons, tools and vehicles to work. its the magic they use that does create the effects, they cast warpenergy into spells, like any ordinary spellcaster/psionic would. All demons are magic, but not all magic is demons. just like all diamants are carbon, but not all carbon are diamants.
I've been bouncing an idea around for a while, and this seemed like a good place to share them; what if the chaos gods are dethroned? What happens when a new god appears that draws from the same emotions as one of the big four? Maybe that was the emperor's plan to destroy chaos, to replace tzeentch with the machine god, nurgle with yinnid, and khorne with himself. I've no idea who he could grab to overthrow slaaesh though. Any ideas?
Yes. You got Nurgle, who's got a twisted sense of parental love and tranquility. And Slaanesh, who is all about happiness (an all other things in excess).
This is very interesting and explains the theocracy and religious symbols of the Empire in 40K, which I always found bizarre. Also, some parts of the narrative reminds me of the concept of Tulpa (a creature created by belief) found in Buddhist circles. . Making 40K more interesting..
Wait a sec, if demons just want to feast on emotion, why would Nurgle and Söasnesh demons kill? Nurgle would let people just rot away, even sustain them so they get really desperate, and Slaanesh... Wouldn't his demons just constantly rape and hurt but also pleasure people? Until they are exhausted and pretty much dead anyway? At the same time, wouldn't Tzeentch just cut off an arm, just to change it up and heal it back again, only to cut off a foot and so on?
Now that is the question and the answer is fairly simple, if you would allow them to exist and spread their power into the galaxy, that would be what happen, Nurglisch Rotten Zombies, Slanesh Orgy Partys etc. But their is always someone who "fucks" up their plan, like the Inquisition, SM etc. so the killing is a mere act of self defence, in fact the Chaos Forces are the oppressed minority, when i fact their just want to share their culural enrichment to the Galaxy.
Exactly. They are the Victims, the #notmyimperium Imperial Propaganda spread lies in their smeary Campaign, to make the Chaos Gods, look like this evil force, when in fact they just need a safe space and a little hug here and there. #makelovenotwar #slaanesh4president.
Chaos Gods "requiring belief and worship" sounds like bs headcanon to me. Trillions of people believe and worship the Emprah, yet what kind of God requires 1000 psycher souls to survive?
What if the Warp and the immaterium actually exist, but we believe it doesn't exist... so it... doesn't exist... Let's all believe that there's a God of money and awesomeness and let's see if it works.
+Thomas Scally think hugh hefner with more bunnies and bunnies likely to stab each other to be the arch bunny and then give them superpowers with spaceships.
+Thomas Scally Because, honestly, their society isn't much to speak of. In general that is. They are entirely too occupied with gathering new subjects to inflict their deprived acts upon to have much time to structure something *we* would define as a society.
Good series of videos. Sent a lot of my mates these videos because they are just getting into 40K. I havent played since 2nd ed. So it's a nice reminder for me too.
The warp is a reflection of the living souls of the material universe. Their emotions, ideas, dreams and very thoughts. Humanity spans almost the entirety of the milky way galaxy with countless trillions of lives. And while individual humans don't have the strongest presence in the warp it is still significant compared to most other life forms, like plants, wildlife and Tau, especially considering their immense numbers. And the very same Imperium of Man is a machine crushing and grinding it's own population en masse. Populations of billions are reduced to statistics and most often only the bare necessities for human live are covered in order to keep the working (enslaved) population docile. And while this systematic grinding of the human spirit on a galaxy wide scale continues and it spreads misery and desperation while extinguishing most hope and joy, the people in command of the Imperium ever so baffled wonder why Chaos becomes ever stronger. I would love to hear Khorne complain in disgust while remembering the 21th century when a fair bit of human emotion was condensed into anime catgirls and fluffy ponies. Weebs and bronies: Nightmare fuel for the arguably mightiest of chaos gods.
we don't talk about him ( hes name is red angel ) hes not a blood angel ( when the bloodangels first fought chaos during horus heresy they fell into the red thirst and a greater deamon of tzeentch offered to cure them if sanguinias gave him self to CHAOS! and my boy was just about to do it before a captain of a company said I will and well boom there he his not really a traitor just took one for the team ;)
Matthew Zylinski Oh dang, its Apothecary Meros. Man, that guy got almost killed by the Eldar, brought back using some sacrophagus filled with tech from before the age of strife, and also sees into the future whilst doing that, (meeting a battle brother who was getting healed in the same sacrophagus... about 10 thousand years in the future)... only to become a demon. That sucks. In case you don't know what I am talking about, it was a short story at the end of the 2nd Blood Angels Omnibus.
I keep wondering what happens when one winds up in the warp with a barely functional Gelar Field, and decide to wreak havok on all the forces of chaos in the immaterium. ... Bonus points if you manage to last long enough to start thinking you're some kind of immortal demon slayer or lord of rebellion against everything that defines the 40k universe. Actually, you may as well just imagine if enough people in the 40k Universe believed Anime was real, and the most well known series was Gurren Lagann; or something similarly bonkers.
So, hypothetically, if I were to start a cult based around a gospel of wholesome interactions (tender love, missionary, and, dare I say, even hand-holding?), and it were to gain an immense foothold, would it change the nature of Slaanesh to be more benevolent? Or would it be more likely to spawn a new Chaos god altogether, given enough time?
Idk if you’re still on RUclips, but from my understanding, if your cult was able to catch on to millions, billions, and eventually trillions of people, it *would* start to change the nature of Slaanesh; or atleast create a new “aspect” of Slaanesh that would act in that more benevolent manner while still being apart of Slaanesh as a whole. Just like how there are gods in different cultures around the world irl that have different “aspects” that can be worshiped, and manifest and act independently and/or in a different manner from the core being of said god, while still remaining a part of said god as a whole. But keep in mind, throughout the process and time of your cult reaching that point, Slaanesh would be able to try and stop you if she truly doesn’t want all that to happen lol
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I wonder if the heads of the Imperium understood this, and that is why they made citizens believe the Emperor is a god, to make him one.
well the emperor prolly understood this when he was makeing the imperium
emperor hated religion which is where the whole 40k theory of one of the now long long forgotten chaos gods got its power from..essentially a atheist god that hated the other gods and on numerous attempts tried to kill them and the chaos gods became afraid so they started the plan to cause the heresy.
the irony is the emperor became a god to his people.
Also the "Lectitio Divinitatus" basically the Bible of the Imperium was written by the Primarch Lorgar - who just happend to be a bloody traitor and daemon-worshiper.
I've thought the same thing.
" lots ofscreaming, blood raining from the sky, taxes"
That lost one got me xD
The definition of cruel and unusual.
My best friend growing up got DEEP into 40k and would tell me all this shit about the lore and I always just sort of "that's crazy bro" him and never got into it myself. He unfortuantely died of cancer 10 years ago now. I just recently decided to jump in and start reading the books and found you through Sargon and that Chaos apologist video. Listening to your videos brings me back to hanging out with my buddy and I just wish I could go back and share in the joy of this utterly insane universe. But thank you for this library of content so I can bro out with my friend in spirit. It's weirdly emotional, and I appreciate it.
I started with a video game called warhammer battlemarch also known as marked of chaos I believe. It made me a lifetime warhammer player that I am today. I don't stick to any one faction. Unlike my friend who is a deathwing terminators fanatic who can't see himself playing anything else I have several favorite factions in warhammer and that includes the orcs, orruks or orks more commonly known as greenskins as well as other human factions in 40K and age of sigmar and I Plat chaos undivided as well. Fielding any one of the armies of the ruinous powers as I see fit to do so as it's a don't make me pick a favorite situation when it comes to them.
I now officially want The Santa demon to be canon in the 40k universe.
santa clause is a russian dmeon of true lore , parents to get kids to sleep would use him that if they didnt goto bed hed eat them and thus its also why cookies and milk were left out...funny the usa thinks hes just a cute lil fat guy on a sleigh
@@chronosschiron 8-O
@@chronosschiron it's funny how you think he isn't just a fat guy for us almost like we changed it on purpose smooth brain.
@@Jellymiqo look no brain where do you think i live , see your idiot assumption is that im in some far away distant land
i was referring to santa's origins
one can also see holloween has been corupted by corporations and govt
you dont know how much your manipulated till ya getz some of dat educationzzz
do open thy mouth more and let everyone know how foolish and inept at reality you really are and mom has your meds
If even 1 person has ever thought that in warhammer, then yes. Daemon Santa exists.
When you realize you're not the only one who wants to flay the mailman with a dull cheese grater.
rod bender this guys narration had me in stitches lol never laughed so hard with that image of the mailman in 40k universe
If we want to we can create a god that flays mailmen with dull cheese graters
Santa Claus the greatest of the chaos gods.
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake BTW Have you ever noticed how fucked up "Santa Claus Is Comin' song is? Seriously,read lyrics while imagine deep terrifying voice
+Luckiller 01 What about Santa Emperor?
Santa "claws"
Dare I say more...
santa Klaws. The extremely orky one
He'd be giving choppas to the good Ork babbys, and krumpin' the bad ones.
Arch is the type of person that would be perfect to explain all kinds of shit, including how to change a car wheel or the procedure to effectively cook pasta.
I doubt it. Here is an example of what I think it would be like: How to bake a cake, step 1, MurderFuck it into existence. Step 2, add frosting.
He recently wondered about other kinds of lore to explore and to talk about. I absolutely agree, even changing the car wheel or cooking would be awesome in this manner of narration.
As an American, I find his accent rather funny yet regal. Especially the R-rolls.
Murrrderrr-fuck it into existence
@@iamvmanonkongregate that's how my sister-in-law bakes. Her pies so filled with hate...... Ya
So, basically the Warp is what self-fulfilling prophecies are all about.
As time is relative in the warp it all worked out as tzeensh has planned from the get go. It was all his doing. At least according to him.
You said it well." That should be it's very definition! LoL
So if Nurgle is the Chaos Lord of Rot, and Decay. Would armor made of Twinkies give extra protection against him, and his band of meanies.
The one object that Nurgle fears the most: a sealed can.
Who could ever believe that the gigantic amount of preservatives put on food would protect us against the Plaguefather?
Yeah, it saps our longevity, but IT IS SOOOO GOOD!
The answer is so clear now
Make armor composed of canned twinkies wrapped in chewing gum
No an ivermectin apple flavor twinkle cream with an ivermectin caramel apple flavor cake 😋.
I'd make armor of fake porn actress tits, but then Slaaanesh would come along.... talk about getting yourself screwed.
The easiest way to destroy Chaos is to wipe our galaxy of all life. Which Tyranids can achieve just fine, perhaps.
+llya Rysenkov I believe there's actually a theory that the Old Ones may have created the Tyranids for this very purpose.
Considering that this Warhammer, one of the most nightmarish universes, that may very well be.
Universe
Don't forget that
The warhammer universe is the bestest one of the universes .
So this means that the God Emperor is actually many times more powerful than all the evil big chaos gods combined? Nearly all humans believe he can do literally anything. Is he just held back by his nearly dead body?
James Stewart alot of lore enthusiasts believe that when the emperor fully dies, he will fully manifest in the warp and become a powerful warp entity, more than likely a god.
Джозеф
And probably with all the contradictions and madness of the collective human psyche
So humans gork and mork. Fun stuff
10:21 I KNEW IT! NURGLE IS ACTUALLY SANTA CLAUS! PERCEPTION OF HIM JUST DRASTICALLY CHANGED IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE!
he likes to give all the good children gifts.
More than a 30 minute lore video? FOR THE GREATER GOOD
FOR THE GREATER LENGTH VIDEOS!!
Filthy Plasma spamming Tau!!!!
*Heretic mode on* The Imperium can learn from Xenos.
+TheLastVoodooMan Inquisitorial mode on: BLAM
Thomas Scally Might as well go full Heretic: Help me Grandpa Nurgle!
The Emperor Approves.
thank you my lord for gracing us with thine holy presence
Actually, the Emperor doesn't approve. He wanted to keep all this silent under the Imperial Truth. It fell to great Lorgar to educate humanity with faith and fire.
you rekt him *hears knocking on the door and 2 las-shots fired in the celling* oh shit they found me!
+Ruben Plooster are you questioning the emperor?
Why would I question a carcass that cannibalizes his own kind? All big E wants to do is die.. won't you just let him die?
What is the hardest part about cooking a vegetable?
Fitting the Golden throne into the oven.
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By the god emperors holy Inquisition, you have been identified as heretic. Please stand by as we cleanse you off the face of the galaxy.
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Damn... that caught me off guard. Good job
Just unplug the vegetable from the throne
The trap joke near the end caught me off-guard. Well played, Arch
I always knew something was wrong with them.
Imagine if GW published an Santa army book. That would be a bigger troll than the End Times and Age of Scumbgar.
I always thought Kislev already had an army book.
Yeah, but that's fantasy. We're talking 40k here. That means gift giving Space Marines and coal giving demons.
+teo calugareanu Ah so the Space wolves.
welcome back arch
how was Prague ?
does it burn when you pee yet?
what?
He's implying that Arch slept with prostitutes and may have caught an STD
And then further went on to mention that whips where one of his kinks in a video after that... its almost as if he needed to go somewhere to get sex off of his mind xD
She who thirsts would be proud.
Well Soho is clean now... which sucks... so I can see that but Not Amsterdam? My world is now upside down!
Johan Hoekstra
Damn... Better change the plans and grab the *ahem* supplies!
So essentially peaceful meditation denies warp creatures this food? Interesting...
Then you will create a chaos God of meditation... Meaning you would need to kill every sentient being to kill off warp entities.
Will I don't mean necessarily kill them off, just keeping them from getting stronger
That is the Imperium's plan of EPIC Fail
Because the Imperium keeps feeding Chaos despite its BEST attempts against it
Peaceful Meditation can be interpreted a variety of ways (many of which STILL feed the Warp and Chaos)
Ironically, many Chaos Lords practice Meditation. Keeps them from losing their competence
I see, I see.
Isn't the Emperor constantly meditating?
*The Guardsmen approves*
Guardsman. Where is the rest of your squad?
*Warpsmith dramatically approves*
Juan Paolo Datu They spontaneously combusted.
Chaos God Slaanesh approves
+Chaos God Slaanesh Oh shit. Not you again. Guardsmen to me!!! For the EMPEROR!!!
"... With a cheesegrater" lost my Shit at this bit.
it takes a special kind of vindictiveness to go for the cheese grater, the lowest DPS weapon in a kitchen.
After watching this video I don't want to know what you do in your free time... ever...
"it is what you might call a trap..."
* Shows picture of one of anime's traps, I. E. a boy that looks eerily like a girl... *
You don't say... well at least he has a sense of humor both of us can enjoy ^_^
+Kyononnon 'why did Gmail screw me over?' Gwyndolin from dark souls
ppfffft, GG y friend, GG:
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Galaxy wide fuckfests
You're a great youtuber. My friends talk about you all the time, and rightfully so.
Chaos gods? Nope, they don't exist. There is only Malal.
+Garett Crook Asking the real questions.
even chaos see that as heresy
HERSEY!...EVEN AMONGST HERETICS!
*People chanting Tzeentch cultist in background*
+Ethan McDonald I don't hear any chanting! There isn't any chanting!
+Ethan McDonald The encroaching silence of malice consumes your writhing plans of fate. Their chains broken and cast off into the infinty of the immaterium. Malice consumes all.
+Arch Warhammer Please tell me what you think of this deliberation.
I believe Tzeentch actually both loves and hates Humanity because they are the embodiment of himself. They are a species of many faults, two in particular contradict one another so profoundly that the god can't help but take notice. They have been innovative, the very pinnacle of change, and yet they can stagnate to near pre-industrial ages.
Their emotions can change on a whim; just introduce an outside element and they can either refuse to change or become an entirely different person.
Very much like Tzeentch.
He is the Lord of Change. Change is not always bad, but it's not always good either. Change can be good in the form of invention and evolution, but it can also mean to switch from that into stagnation and devolution. Tzeentch plans contradict himself because he is a contradiction as well.
He can change in good ways but, despite his initial plans, he can change into something that would hinder himself and his earlier plans, forcing him to make new plans.
He is at constant war with himself more than he is with the other Gods. His nature forces him to evolve and stagnate against his own desires. I believe he sees Humanity as the embodiment of his own struggle so if he can somehow manipulate Humanity to achieve a positive result in the end, he could theoretically use that experiment to fix himself, but then he will contradict himself and degrade at points most detrimental to his 'master goal,' creating a never ending cycle.
He hates the Emperor. He calls him the Anathema. With his vast knowledge, why would Tzeentch use that one word to describe the Emperor? I believe it is because the Emperor is what Tzeentch himself desires to be: a complete being who can bring change and never change himself. He envies Humanity for this is their fullest potential personified while he is stuck in his tumultuous state.
This is why Tzeentch loves and hates both himself and Humanity. His complexity is greater then even his own mind can comprehend. He realizes that his master plan will always be impossible to achieve despite what he tells his underlings. Perhaps this revelation is something he considers his greatest challenge and if there's something Tzeentch would love, it'd be a perpetually unsolvable problem to solve yet hate due to not being able to solve it. This dilemma is a never ending war of change, to change in a series of ways to eventually overcome his own need to change. This challenge embodies Tzeentch himself, much like Humanity, thus he both loves and hates himself as much as he loves and hates Humanity.
Try not to let this blow up your mind.
Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn HERESY
jagzilla And despite my warning, we have our first victim.
Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!!!
To all the screaming mobs. How is this Heresy? he just said Tzeentch is totally jealous of humanity? seems right in line with imperial doctrine to me
Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn im not fucking reading this
IRL : "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making people think he didn't exist !"
40K : "the greatest trick the devils ever pulled, was making people KNOW they existed !"
When you think about it, that's the true victory of the Horus Heresy : the marine legions, setting back the Imperium, even the maiming of the Emperor ! they were just nice side effects !
So does the part on daemons are effected by local beliefs explain why the "wolf spirits" on Fenris act more like what the space wolves believe rather than like normal daemons?
what i got from this is that santa claus is benevolent a demon that rewards good children and punishes bad children.
Fear the tea kettles.
believe in the teapot around saturn :P
@@rebeccaconlon9743 you can't be sure it isn't there
Your Santa Claus analogy makes me think that Krampus must be one fuck of a powerful Slaaneshi daemon.
Blood for the blood god?
Skulls for the skull throne?
Blood for the blood god.
Skulls for the skull throne.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!
Milk for the Khorne Flakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, we get it. You are Hillary supporter. She menstruated for "greater good." Now shut up and vote God Emperor Trump
+Luckiller 01 Hillary seems much more Tzeentchi than Khornite, Khornite fights fair
so let me get this straight
if a million people in the imperium of man believed the emperor will resurrect tomorrow it will happen ?
because that is awesome
Is it possible to kill a god in the warp?
technically the concept of "dead"docent exist in the warp, a god might fade away but calling said god "dead" would be incorrect, powerless is probably a better definition.
+Arch Warhammer aren't they just super-powered daemons? The chaos gods that is. So if struck down in the warp wouldn't it kill them?
No.
Yes slannesh killed most of the eldar gods and if all the people in the universe die the gods would immediately die to
Josh Wall Only a god can kill a god.
I just love your channel. These lore videos have been a marvelously structured introduction to 40k.
Thanks for the nice bedtime story Uncle Arch!
Shortest way to describe the Warp is, that it's the Silent Hills of the Galaxy.
We shall send them in to the SUPER WARP !!!! Go Draigo Go Go GO GO !!!
Tarorc79 *Blasts off*
Congratulations Arch!! Your informative video has increased my survival potential within the warp by almost two wolves. XD
So ... Santa is a Chaos god... Purge The Unclean!!!!
xXE4GLEyEXx BURN THE HERETIC!!
I've been recently getting into the 40k lore and this video definitely helped me out to understand the warp a little more. thanks for the upload!
I felt a disturbance in the warp when he started talking about mail boxes... It felt personal.
good guy arch is back with informative lore YES
would it theoretically be possible to change the nature of the warp gods through collective belief? If enough people in the imperium started thinking or feeling a certain way about Tzeentch would that result in him possibly becoming less of an asshat?
No. See people don't even KNOW, about Tzeentch. Or Khorne or any of them. That information is solely retained by the Inquisition, Chaos Marines/fallen, and the Chaos entities themselves. We can't change anything, because A.) About 99% of makind doesn't know about Tzeentch, and B.) If we know of any Chaos entity, that opening allows them to flood in, corrupt whisper and taint us, and even just resisting that is exhausting and destructive, so we'd never be able to influence anything before most people were just enslaved and serving.
As a final caveat, as something that relies on change to feed....Tzeentch would LOVE, to be seen as nice. It would make the betrayal and subsequent energies of change taste all the sweeter
Theoretically, if the entire Imperium spontaneously not o my gained knowledge of Tzeentch, it also believed with their entire hearts that he was ALSO the Chaos God of fluffy puppies and hu gs, what would hapen?
That's the questoon.
Then make the people believe in gods far greater than the chaos gods to kill them all.
If everyone started believing that Tzeench is a God of pizza and puppies then that might slightly change the way Tzeench behaves but you also need to convince everyone that they need to stop being hopeful and ambitious.
Also keep in mind that you would need to spread and maintain this galaxy spanning religion that believes that puppies and pizza are the greatest things in existence and that change, hope and ambition are unholy while the God you are worshipping is trying his best to stop you from irreversibly changing him.
what about bounding a demon into an object? (like a sword or a cannon)
possible, it works much like with living people but needs waaaaaay more energy
A lot of chaos champion weapons are infused with daemons. Can see a lot of examples in the literature. Example The Berzerker Glaive is a weapon that the bearer must constantly fight with to remain in control of. The blade contains the bound essence of a Bloodletter which has been driven truly insane by its captivity
Exclude him from a dawn of war game he would have fit into nicely??
if lot of people think that there's deamon in sword there will be deamon in sword
+Sayrus The Deamon Primach of Shadow Beasts Legion
Sounds very orky.
With all of the people I the imperium that believe in the emperor and his sheer power when he was alive, what exactly is the emperor now?
Nobody really knows he's on the border of being a material being and a warp entity and nobody wants to push or pull him in one direction out of fear of him creating a second Eye of Terror on Terra
A corpse on a chair.
+Ruben Plooster You heretic!
"... the emperor himself is also almost certainly to some extent a Chaos God."
That sounds like the "heretical" bell of truth, you should report to your local commissar.
side effects of demonic summoning lots and lots of screaming, blood raining from the sky, taxes you know the usual signs of the apocalypse
-Arch warhammer
i loled at this for a solid minute
The rolling of your Rs is exquisite. Bravo good man, bravo.
lore, on a friday! the warp was generous this day!!!
Arch...I have to say...your comment section is some of the funniest reads I've had in a while
TL;DR: Santa is a demon
It's kinda obvious, just move the 'n' to the end...
@@gracefool indeed
so would there be choas gods like zeus and odin and the likes ?
so through this logic does that mean all ork vehicles are daemons then? due to the whole aspect if enough orks believe it will work it will work!
no, not demons, the orks have the ability to believe there weapons, tools and vehicles to work.
its the magic they use that does create the effects, they cast warpenergy into spells, like any ordinary spellcaster/psionic would.
All demons are magic, but not all magic is demons.
just like all diamants are carbon, but not all carbon are diamants.
I've been bouncing an idea around for a while, and this seemed like a good place to share them; what if the chaos gods are dethroned? What happens when a new god appears that draws from the same emotions as one of the big four? Maybe that was the emperor's plan to destroy chaos, to replace tzeentch with the machine god, nurgle with yinnid, and khorne with himself. I've no idea who he could grab to overthrow slaaesh though. Any ideas?
Carol Channing
Is there chaos god of love or peace or happiness?
Yes. You got Nurgle, who's got a twisted sense of parental love and tranquility. And Slaanesh, who is all about happiness (an all other things in excess).
Dear god sucks to be civilian in the IoM.
4:29 Dark Eldar
This is very interesting and explains the theocracy and religious
symbols of the Empire in 40K, which I always found bizarre.
Also, some parts of the narrative reminds me of the concept of Tulpa (a creature created by belief) found in Buddhist circles. .
Making 40K more interesting..
bleh bluh. True
Do you know the kind of hate you'd need to kill someone with a cheese grater? What a wonderful choice of weapon.
Wait a sec, if demons just want to feast on emotion, why would Nurgle and Söasnesh demons kill? Nurgle would let people just rot away, even sustain them so they get really desperate, and Slaanesh... Wouldn't his demons just constantly rape and hurt but also pleasure people? Until they are exhausted and pretty much dead anyway? At the same time, wouldn't Tzeentch just cut off an arm, just to change it up and heal it back again, only to cut off a foot and so on?
Now that is the question and the answer is fairly simple, if you would allow them to exist and spread their power into the galaxy, that would be what happen, Nurglisch Rotten Zombies, Slanesh Orgy Partys etc.
But their is always someone who "fucks" up their plan, like the Inquisition, SM etc. so the killing is a mere act of self defence, in fact the Chaos Forces are the oppressed minority, when i fact their just want to share their culural enrichment to the Galaxy.
twistedmetal04 those evil racist Imperials! The Chaos Gods are just misunderstood!!!!
Exactly. They are the Victims, the #notmyimperium Imperial Propaganda spread lies in their smeary Campaign, to make the Chaos Gods, look like this evil force, when in fact they just need a safe space and a little hug here and there. #makelovenotwar #slaanesh4president.
All right hippie. Thats enough bullshit. Get back to class or ill have to call your parents.
Chaos Gods "requiring belief and worship" sounds like bs headcanon to me. Trillions of people believe and worship the Emprah, yet what kind of God requires 1000 psycher souls to survive?
Under an hour long. Disliked.
Just kidding.
I absolutely love the way you cover information, and hope you continue for a very long time. Santa is a Slaaneshi demon.
No slanneshes rival
What if the Warp and the immaterium actually exist, but we believe it doesn't exist... so it... doesn't exist... Let's all believe that there's a God of money and awesomeness and let's see if it works.
thanks to your awsome humour my long Night panick attacks are somewhat bearable while listening to You ,thanks man apreciate your work!
Dark Eldar plox! :D
Yeah I've seen lore videos on them but I've never got a feel for what their society is actually like
+Thomas Scally sex sex murder murder enhance enslave.
+Garett Crook yeah I know that but I want to know how Dark Eldar politics work
+Thomas Scally think hugh hefner with more bunnies and bunnies likely to stab each other to be the arch bunny and then give them superpowers with spaceships.
+Thomas Scally Because, honestly, their society isn't much to speak of. In general that is. They are entirely too occupied with gathering new subjects to inflict their deprived acts upon to have much time to structure something *we* would define as a society.
chaos and warp lore is my favorite!thx Arch!
the warp os basically the Warhammer equivalent of Hell
Combined with Cthulhu and the Twilight Zone on STEROIDS!!!
thanks arch just keep what you're doing cos you are doing it great
Does this mean that Harambe could be a Chaos God
is this still fantasy? it makes so much sense that it could be straight from reality
the cometary made me loose my shit XD
Thats sad. I hope you found it again, or got new shit...
"Galaxy wide... Fuck fest" -Arch 2016
Listening to warp 40k lore makes me think the 40ks developers are ex Christians, closet Christians or crazy Christians like myself
ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. I love this manner of explanation.
Chaos sounds alot like capitalism.
Good series of videos. Sent a lot of my mates these videos because they are just getting into 40K.
I havent played since 2nd ed. So it's a nice reminder for me too.
18:00 Those Khorne guardsmen look badass.
really love your videos arch, keep up the great work :)
What about Malice?
8:25 thats art if i ever saw it, a picture that tell a tale about the living standards for the lojal servants of chaos. Its magneficent
FYI they found a rusting cheese grater buried next to human bones, a ham bone, and cat bones in his back-yard.
So beautifully explained. Well done mate.
"Lots and lots of screaming, blood draining from the sky, taxes. You know, the usual signs of the apocalypse.".......LOL @22:30ish
Hello, Servitor-convertable children. There are sugar-products located in my vehicle.
12:42 Look at the lower-middle portion of the picture
"Gimme back me sword, you tentacly sun of a bitch!"
Oh arch you make lore so fun
The warp is a reflection of the living souls of the material universe. Their emotions, ideas, dreams and very thoughts.
Humanity spans almost the entirety of the milky way galaxy with countless trillions of lives. And while individual humans don't have the strongest presence in the warp it is still significant compared to most other life forms, like plants, wildlife and Tau, especially considering their immense numbers. And the very same Imperium of Man is a machine crushing and grinding it's own population en masse. Populations of billions are reduced to statistics and most often only the bare necessities for human live are covered in order to keep the working (enslaved) population docile. And while this systematic grinding of the human spirit on a galaxy wide scale continues and it spreads misery and desperation while extinguishing most hope and joy, the people in command of the Imperium ever so baffled wonder why Chaos becomes ever stronger.
I would love to hear Khorne complain in disgust while remembering the 21th century when a fair bit of human emotion was condensed into anime catgirls and fluffy ponies.
Weebs and bronies: Nightmare fuel for the arguably mightiest of chaos gods.
Looks up Masaki Sumitani, and then asks: " I wonder if the custodes are still recruiting , I found a new candidate ."
You're so entertaining! Also i really love the way you say "You see..." :D
As usual excellent cant wait for more.
0:23. What is that flaming space marine in the back? He seems to have the insignia of the blood angels on him. Someone explain please?
hes probaly a traitor
Cody Archer Yes, but why does he look like the human torch?
we don't talk about him ( hes name is red angel ) hes not a blood angel ( when the bloodangels first fought chaos during horus heresy they fell into the red thirst and a greater deamon of tzeentch offered to cure them if sanguinias gave him self to CHAOS! and my boy was just about to do it before a captain of a company said I will and well boom there he his not really a traitor just took one for the team ;)
Matthew Zylinski Awesome, thanks man.
Matthew Zylinski Oh dang, its Apothecary Meros. Man, that guy got almost killed by the Eldar, brought back using some sacrophagus filled with tech from before the age of strife, and also sees into the future whilst doing that, (meeting a battle brother who was getting healed in the same sacrophagus... about 10 thousand years in the future)... only to become a demon. That sucks. In case you don't know what I am talking about, it was a short story at the end of the 2nd Blood Angels Omnibus.
I keep wondering what happens when one winds up in the warp with a barely functional Gelar Field, and decide to wreak havok on all the forces of chaos in the immaterium.
... Bonus points if you manage to last long enough to start thinking you're some kind of immortal demon slayer or lord of rebellion against everything that defines the 40k universe.
Actually, you may as well just imagine if enough people in the 40k Universe believed Anime was real, and the most well known series was Gurren Lagann; or something similarly bonkers.
Thanks for putting out all this awesome content even though you dont have lost of subs :)
All of your Videos Arch are amazing, both funny and interesting. The only complaint i have is they're not 1 hour long
Jesus Arch, I can't think of anything more dangerous than mentioning virgin sacrifice to a massive formation of 40k nerds.
So, hypothetically, if I were to start a cult based around a gospel of wholesome interactions (tender love, missionary, and, dare I say, even hand-holding?), and it were to gain an immense foothold, would it change the nature of Slaanesh to be more benevolent? Or would it be more likely to spawn a new Chaos god altogether, given enough time?
Idk if you’re still on RUclips, but from my understanding, if your cult was able to catch on to millions, billions, and eventually trillions of people, it *would* start to change the nature of Slaanesh; or atleast create a new “aspect” of Slaanesh that would act in that more benevolent manner while still being apart of Slaanesh as a whole. Just like how there are gods in different cultures around the world irl that have different “aspects” that can be worshiped, and manifest and act independently and/or in a different manner from the core being of said god, while still remaining a part of said god as a whole.
But keep in mind, throughout the process and time of your cult reaching that point, Slaanesh would be able to try and stop you if she truly doesn’t want all that to happen lol
Santa is confirmed as 5th chaos gos
Thanks for an other great video arch!
Another top-notch video great as always but I want some Khorne videos!
So Malal has the potential to exist?