Sounds like the second caller’s big issue is that she wants kids and her partner seems to not. That is unfortunately probably a dealbreaker and no amount of pressure/waiting/reading tea leaves will change it. Also, does she want to have kids with someone who doesn’t want kids? Plenty of guys out there do. She’d be better off moving on to one that does, instead of hoping her current partner will change.
I was shocked listening, why oh why would you as a woman who wants kids work so hard to stay with a man who tells you he doesn't want them. It's soooo hard to leave someone you love but that is a really great reason to.
Did not want to pay for R&B and does not want to move in, does not want kids..seems like a clear sing to move on... also being so clearly upset at him during the whole call
Hi Nick. I’m around your age and I grew up in Pittsburgh (dad all polish, mom mostly Irish). We always always always greeted each other and family and friends with a VERY fast peck on the cheek and hug. It wasn’t until I went away to college that I realized not everyone does this😂. SO I wouldn’t bully your guy acquaintance about it. My thought is that he probably did this growing up and it IS a hard habit to break. I’d simply ask him NOT to do it to Natalie. (As a grown woman I’ve stopped this with most people but I always greet my mom and say good bye to my mom with a peck on the cheek and a hug). My dad passed from Alzheimer’s. He was amazing and kind. He always greeted and said goodbye with a peck on the cheek and hug. So don’t assume Ill intentions from your guy acquaintance. I hope this helps and I love your podcast.
Nick, you are SPOT ON with caller #2. She sounds exhausting! Definitely get the aggression vibe that her bf sees. Idk what the bf is like, but she seems totally focused on her life being one way; and is putting a ton of pressure on him to fulfill that for her when he wants the exact opposite.🤦🏽♀️
Nick could also just ask the guy friend, "whats up with the cheek kisses" and take it from there based on his response. I think it could be worth a conversation and may give Nick some insight into the reasoning behind it.
Number 2 caller. He was clear and fair from the beginning. You didn't believe him and thought he would change his mind. Unfortunately, that's on you. I don't get Nick's advice on growing the relationship at all. If two people want 2 completely different things, wtf is the point of growing the relationship!? Make it make sense.
Thank you! I came here to say this! I usually go for Nicks advice but let’s not sugar coat this . They do not want the same thing. Stop wasting your time!!
I can't wrap my head around why you would want to make a man who doesn't want kids become the father of your children. The most crucial decision in having kids is WHO you have kids with. You need someone who will support you. Cherish you. Prioritize you. Bring you calmness and feelings of safety. And you need someone who wants to fill the role of dad. It's a big deal. And once you're out of the pregnancy and intense postpartum phase, there will be seasons where he's the one who needs the support and care. It's a teeter totter, but it's never 50/50.
100000% this!!! Parenting is hard enough as it is, even when it’s something you really wanted and looked forward to…. I can’t imagine how much harder it’d be if it’s something you had to be convinced into!
@@jillianphoenix3270 Exactly. The resentment would be impossible to overcome. He would blame her for forcing him into something he didn't want, and she'd blame him for not being the dad she hoped he'd be. Vicious cycle.
I think she fell in love with the idea of him but reality says they both aren’t on the same page. They can grow their relationship and bond all day but in this case love isn’t enough .
@@laurab5849 I couldn't agree more. It's just going to hurt them both more in the end... And hopefully they don't hurt their children in the crossfire if they go down that road.
I think regarding Nick’s question about the guy…if he truly poses no threat why is this even such a big deal? If all of these grown adults are gossiping about this guy, then one of these grown adults should speak directly, and cordially, to this guy about any issues they have. Some people don’t realize how their actions might be impacting others. I’m really not a fan of trashing people when they aren’t even in the room to defend themselves. It says more about the ones talking than the person they are speaking about.
Good point! Why not talking to the "friend" directly? I guess it makes good content for the podcast. But this is disrespectful. Just talk to your bro, man.
Hi Nick and household 😊 “kiss greetings” are not only a European thing. I’m from Iran and we kiss hello and goodbye as do a lot of other Middle Eastern countries. As an Iranian living in America, I have also inherited a lot of cultures that were not “originally mine” that I really enjoy - like Christmas, Thanksgiving, greeting hugs, etc. Personally, I don’t see an issue if somebody wants to adopt some culture that was not “originally theirs”. Now, if you feel that this person was giving off some vibe, then that’s a whole different story but if he’s just giving kiss greetings a chance, then who are we to judge? I actually think it’s quite nice. That being said, we don’t greet kiss people we have just met - it’s people we already know 😅
lmao Nick acting like he’d act tough 😅 i’m latino, i do it with my friends who are women and not with my guy friends. it’s just a greeting. don’t be so territorial. if he’s a creep he’s a creep but the focus on the kiss greeting is misplaced. and bless the household for trying to figure out what the issue is and Nick not meeting them halfway.
I loved the relationship content at the beginning of this episode when ya'll talked about setting boundaries as someone in a relationship, with the tag-tuck-in as an example. I listen all the time and although I do ~thoroughly enjoy~ hearing about situationship stuff, I'm here for that long term relationship stuff too. Setting boundaries, arguing well, communication, respect, space, all the stuff that comes with being with someone long term. I vote ya'll add more stuff like that in the mix :) also ps I love all you guys like honestly ya'll are my little friends/background noise when I'm cleaning my house or editing photos. Big fan, big fan
I hope Nick can let the whole kiss on the cheek go…I have several male friends who greet me with a kiss on the cheek, everyone is partnered up…it’s no big deal And it’s kind of sweet actually
He said It is weird if you are the only person doing it...lets say everyone shakes hands and one guy is kissing all the girls...it IS Strange. If you have done it all your life its absolutely fine.
Nick is intuitive. Trust your instinct. Keep an eye out for it to repeat, then look at it again. I’m female, a male spouse of a girlfriend of mine used to do the same thing with me. We were all close so me and my fiancé didn’t think anything of it. Two years later he took my bathing suit top off me when the 4 of us capsized in a canoe and we all goofed around swimming. Red flag. Then he full on kissed me at a party a week later. Immediately we ended the relationship but should have seen it sooner.
I don't know if it's a Canadian thing or not, but our entire family and all our friends (male AND female) greet one another with a kiss on the cheek and a hug. If you're not close friends though, I suppose that could be weird?
Love you, Nick, but I think you completely overreacted to the cheek kissing thing. Felt very uncharacteristically possessive and he-man of you. Now, if Natalie had come to you and said she felt violated or invaded, that would be something else. Even then, this is Natalie’s battle to fight. And you should only get involved if she feels in any way endangered. Otherwise you’re treating your fiancé like your property.
To the caller who wants to move in and marry the guy who just wanted to take a break. Nick, you’re spot on with the triggering that’s happening. And I can imagine how heated the caller gets, since she did it on this call with a neutral party. A few points: it’s never someone else’s job (unless it’s the parent of a child) to watch out for our best interests. So when she said she brought up wanting to have kids after a month, and that was important to her, but then she never spoke of it again…that’s on her. It was not on him to change or end the relationship knowing they want different things. It’s her job to recognize what is important to her and take the actions necessary to meet those needs. He has revealed what is important to him. She needs to believe him. The fact she doesn’t means she doesn’t trust him or his word. Take him at his word. Don’t try to decode it. He has said point blank he doesn’t want kids. He is telling her clearly. It’s not an open invitation to stick around and hope he changes his mind, or to criticize him for his choices. A month in and bringing up kids is not too soon when you’re with the right person for you. End of story.
Nailed it, men are simple, we don't play games, send signals or create drama on purpose, we are what you see, he does not want kids...maybe with her, maybe ever, but her pushing constantly is just making things worse.
So Nick, you are ready to go fight a guy because he was trying to be friendly and wanted to give your GF a cheek kiss? The dude seems to be clueless and unaware. Nick keeps saying it was a lack of respect. OMG, the guy was trying to be fun and friendly and it ended up weird because he is weird, but it's not a lack of respect. And then when men are actually inappropriate with women, you are the first to give men the benefit of the doubt but not when it includes your partner I guess. Wow... this says so much.
I feel like it depends on where you’re from. My husbands family and all his friends definitely greet people like this. I had never experienced it before meeting my husband, but I cannot say that I’ve really thought about it being odd. To me it just seems to be cultural/regional depending on how/where you were raised. BUT I will say if I had not seen that pattern of behavior in someone before and they all the sudden started doing it that would be bizarre.
We just came out of a pandemic. I don't think it is a matter of European or not. It just seems if you don't know someone well, there is no need for kissing as a greeting.
Nick get over it. Low blow how you kept saying “he’s not a threat.” If you’re so confident he’s not a threat why are you bashing him for 20 mins on your podcast? He sounds socially awkward. I almost feel bad for the guy. Be annoyed quietly and forget about it. Threatening him would be completely absurd.
I think what Nick was also alluding to was the misogyny of it. I wish he spoke more about Natalie’s take on things as I imagine emotions of protection can be elevated as she’s pregnant, his fiancé, etc. considering that context. I’d imagine the fact that the man felt it as appropriate to essentially initiate that sort of greeting when Natalie wasn’t even looking or making eye contact to read the situation, meaning he was close enough without reading the reciprocation ya know ?! That is an important detail to imagine how essentially weird it is to blindside someone For instance, when you go to hug someone you read whether they are open to that by their body language like leannng in
Caller 3 is so funny. Dude solidified he likes her by talking into the night and she's afraid to ask him out. Goes to show as men we're expected to pursue for everything and girls have no idea how to sometimes lmao.
Kiss greeting in South America is completely normal between man/woman and woman/woman butt, not man/man so depends on the culture. Is very normal in almost every other culture except for America.
After living in Costa Rica for 2 years I am greeted with a kiss on the cheek by strangers and it has become normal and now I unconsciously do it and would do it in whatever country I'm in.. but yes it's a "in the moment" thing and if it flows it flows.. It's not romantic or ill intentioned in any way. Its classy, and i love it. Some people it flows some people it doesn't. It just is. Take a breath sweet protective Nick❤
The more this conversation goes on the more I’m laughing 😅 But I know the younger folks are much more sensitive to this kind of thing. Just treat people as people…why do we have to treat people differently if they are in a relationship?? Perhaps Nick has some unresolved issues around trust ?!
I generally think this is a protective instinct, yes we trust our partners, but we don’t necessarily trust everyone else. Sure this cat may be ‘harmless’ but i don’t think it’s wrong to have expectations of how other people should behave around our partners. Big diff between ‘don’t go anywhere near my bf/gf’ vs. ‘I’m sure you haven’t put much thought into it, but please do not kiss my bf/gf on the cheek’ That said, i am curious why no follow up “why/or what do you think you’re doing when you only kiss attractive women on the cheek to greet them”
Hi, so in the Czech Republic the culture is very much to shake hands and kiss two cheeks (its basically used instead of a hug) when you greet a close family friend, this applies to women/women and women/men and men/men usually just shake hands. Now *if* you accidentally almost kiss by going the wrong way you literally shake it off and laugh like, it happens, no big deal and its not gonna be weird because it was an accident. Now I am also half american, and I am more of a hugger and would not try to "european kiss" someone in America as a greeting because they wouldnt get it lol. My fiance is Swedish and they hug in Sweden as well (unless not close, then you shake hands) and he was listening to this convo and he agrees with Nick, that apparently the other guy should back off. So tbh I think it boils down to keeping your close people close and the rest at a respectful distance unless your culture is different.
It is weird to cheek kiss a woman you don’t know personally if it’s not part of your culture for sure! It would make me uncomfortable and would want my partner to speak up about it because I for sure wouldn’t.
Nick, you are acting territorial. The guy felt awkward and you don’t have to be European to kiss on the cheek. It was an accident. Also not a good look saying he’s not a threat. Not all people are superficial and base liking someone on appearance. You sound arrogant! I prefer a humble man who some may deem isn’t a threat than an arrogant man who thinks he’s hot. Don’t say you aren’t bothered because if you listen to yourself, you would hear that you are. Ask your therapist why it really got to you because it is obvious that it did.
There are both men and women who move like this with people who are in relationships There are women who purposely flirt with people who are known to be in a relationship. It’s weird to me but maybe I’m just territorial too lol
I would tell the guy to stop doing that sort of Behavior and it's like telling someone who has got bad breath..... If he is putting people off he ought to know and appreciate someone who wants to help and stop making social situations awkward
I don’t think it’s just disrespect of your relationship, I think it’s misogyny. Men like that think they have a right to cross that boundary with women. It’s similar to how a man in a relationship may talk about his “hot waitress” with his friends. Yes, it’s incredibly disrespectful to his relationship (and the waitress) but the root of it is misogyny and men’s twisted perception that they have some gross “right” to women.
What is the problem with the kiss on the cheek? In Mexico is so the way to go to greet women and not men that way... I think he's just being territorial because if his fiancé wouldn't have turned and almost kissed on the lips, there wouldn´t be an issue...
Nick Viall it sounds like you were pissed off with the guy because he crossed boundaries with your wife. And that’s how you should feel, you’re protecting your wife. Secondly, if either you or Natalie had said something right away like ‘hey dude what was that’s 😊 you probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. So my suggestion is the next time you see him, throw a zinger about double kissing, or double dipping….. Seinfeld 😂😂😂
Please get Genevieve off the show. She’s so immature & shallow. “I don’t want to be friends with not hot people”. I’m so close to not listening anymore. Where is Ali???
Yes hiring her was a huge misread of the audience and changed the whole vibe. Aly and Amanda are young, but they are the beautiful Balance of "young and up to date" while also being very wise and deep. It worked well. But now we depend on Amanda who is even influenced by Genevieves' presence. I'm not hating on her as a human. She's growing. So so so young and inexperienced through no fault of her own. I'm hating on what she has done to the whole podcast. I also know nick is stubborn af lol and if he knows we are unhappy he might even want to keep her out of spite as a f u to the comments he says he never reads but clearly the girls all do.😅
@soapyfankatie I think it'll take something big to wake Nick up to the fact that he will start to consistently lose long time viewers now not gain them. The only reason I check now is to see if she's gone. Or if the situation is acknowledged.
My husband had college friends that would all openly flirt with each other. One of the girls rubbed my husbands (boyfriend at the time) arm and said lumberjacks were her biggest turn on. (My husband is broad with a beard) suffice to say i told him that night it was either me or them. Call it toxic and controlling. I call it knowing my boundaries and having self respect.
All that to say, I LOVED your breakdown on how heterosexual friendships are just different and explaining how. Too many people are blind to it/ignorant to why.
Nick, you sound like you were slighted by a man thinking he could kiss your girl. Too much about you , you sound possessive. The women are capable of addressing it themselves.
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No one ever asked me if they could hug me. That would be so weird!!! I think you can usually tell if someone doesn’t want to and otherwise they can say that they don’t want to… 🤷♀️
Nick. Valid. Absolutely not. A vibe is a vibe and in no world would I even kiss someone’s fiancé on the cheek… MAYBE my best friend since I was 8.. even so maybe lol
1st time here, so not real clear on the dynamics here. I do want to say that I'm not sure why these ladies are defending the kissy dude, because my boyfriend would've probably punched him just for having his lips so close to me. This was totally uncalled for. I 💯 understand why Nick feels the way he does. Too often, the ones we don't think are a threat, are. This is why my bf & I are in agreement to not have any friends of the opposite gender. It eliminates all of the guessing games, misunderstandings, and the ability for anyone to concoct stories/situations that would jeopardize our relationship. Also, why don't we ALL just keep our lips & hands to ourselves until given the go-ahead from the other person? 🤷🏽♀️✌🏽
Caller # 2 super aggressively: “He called me AGGRESSIVE!!!”
Sounds like the second caller’s big issue is that she wants kids and her partner seems to not. That is unfortunately probably a dealbreaker and no amount of pressure/waiting/reading tea leaves will change it. Also, does she want to have kids with someone who doesn’t want kids? Plenty of guys out there do. She’d be better off moving on to one that does, instead of hoping her current partner will change.
I was shocked listening, why oh why would you as a woman who wants kids work so hard to stay with a man who tells you he doesn't want them. It's soooo hard to leave someone you love but that is a really great reason to.
Did not want to pay for R&B and does not want to move in, does not want kids..seems like a clear sing to move on... also being so clearly upset at him during the whole call
Hi Nick. I’m around your age and I grew up in Pittsburgh (dad all polish, mom mostly Irish). We always always always greeted each other and family and friends with a VERY fast peck on the cheek and hug. It wasn’t until I went away to college that I realized not everyone does this😂. SO I wouldn’t bully your guy acquaintance about it. My thought is that he probably did this growing up and it IS a hard habit to break. I’d simply ask him NOT to do it to Natalie. (As a grown woman I’ve stopped this with most people but I always greet my mom and say good bye to my mom with a peck on the cheek and a hug). My dad passed from Alzheimer’s. He was amazing and kind. He always greeted and said goodbye with a peck on the cheek and hug. So don’t assume Ill intentions from your guy acquaintance. I hope this helps and I love your podcast.
Yes exactly my partner is from New York and his friends all greet each other this way its very common
Nick, you are SPOT ON with caller #2. She sounds exhausting! Definitely get the aggression vibe that her bf sees. Idk what the bf is like, but she seems totally focused on her life being one way; and is putting a ton of pressure on him to fulfill that for her when he wants the exact opposite.🤦🏽♀️
First caller should’ve blocked the ex after the first inappropriate texts 🤦🏻♀️
'Why does he do this' ummm, he wants to cheat on his pregnant wifey
She lives for the attention and knows EXACTLY why he “does this”. 😒
Nick could also just ask the guy friend, "whats up with the cheek kisses" and take it from there based on his response. I think it could be worth a conversation and may give Nick some insight into the reasoning behind it.
Number 2 caller. He was clear and fair from the beginning. You didn't believe him and thought he would change his mind. Unfortunately, that's on you. I don't get Nick's advice on growing the relationship at all. If two people want 2 completely different things, wtf is the point of growing the relationship!? Make it make sense.
Thank you my thoughts exactly! I thought that was very unusual advice from Nick. They both need to move on!!
Thank you! I came here to say this! I usually go for Nicks advice but let’s not sugar coat this . They do not want the same thing. Stop wasting your time!!
I can't wrap my head around why you would want to make a man who doesn't want kids become the father of your children. The most crucial decision in having kids is WHO you have kids with. You need someone who will support you. Cherish you. Prioritize you. Bring you calmness and feelings of safety. And you need someone who wants to fill the role of dad. It's a big deal. And once you're out of the pregnancy and intense postpartum phase, there will be seasons where he's the one who needs the support and care. It's a teeter totter, but it's never 50/50.
100000% this!!! Parenting is hard enough as it is, even when it’s something you really wanted and looked forward to…. I can’t imagine how much harder it’d be if it’s something you had to be convinced into!
@@jillianphoenix3270 Exactly. The resentment would be impossible to overcome. He would blame her for forcing him into something he didn't want, and she'd blame him for not being the dad she hoped he'd be. Vicious cycle.
I think she fell in love with the idea of him but reality says they both aren’t on the same page. They can grow their relationship and bond all day but in this case love isn’t enough .
@@laurab5849 I couldn't agree more. It's just going to hurt them both more in the end... And hopefully they don't hurt their children in the crossfire if they go down that road.
ok we definitely did not need to spend 30 mins on a guy kissing natalie’s cheek
I think regarding Nick’s question about the guy…if he truly poses no threat why is this even such a big deal? If all of these grown adults are gossiping about this guy, then one of these grown adults should speak directly, and cordially, to this guy about any issues they have. Some people don’t realize how their actions might be impacting others. I’m really not a fan of trashing people when they aren’t even in the room to defend themselves. It says more about the ones talking than the person they are speaking about.
Good point! Why not talking to the "friend" directly? I guess it makes good content for the podcast. But this is disrespectful. Just talk to your bro, man.
This. Nick's feelings almost feel possessive and borderline concerning.
Hi Nick and household 😊 “kiss greetings” are not only a European thing. I’m from Iran and we kiss hello and goodbye as do a lot of other Middle Eastern countries. As an Iranian living in America, I have also inherited a lot of cultures that were not “originally mine” that I really enjoy - like Christmas, Thanksgiving, greeting hugs, etc. Personally, I don’t see an issue if somebody wants to adopt some culture that was not “originally theirs”. Now, if you feel that this person was giving off some vibe, then that’s a whole different story but if he’s just giving kiss greetings a chance, then who are we to judge? I actually think it’s quite nice. That being said, we don’t greet kiss people we have just met - it’s people we already know 😅
As a Palestinian I was about to say this! Haha
Also Latin American countries
@@monsutades9999thinking of your people. very difficult times.
@@nk47100 Thank you friend🫂🇵🇸
lmao Nick acting like he’d act tough 😅 i’m latino, i do it with my friends who are women and not with my guy friends. it’s just a greeting. don’t be so territorial. if he’s a creep he’s a creep but the focus on the kiss greeting is misplaced. and bless the household for trying to figure out what the issue is and Nick not meeting them halfway.
58:22 was so funny lol, Nick is not used to people talking over him 🤣
The second caller’s energy is stressing me out sooooo much!! 😖
Me to ahhhhh
I loved the relationship content at the beginning of this episode when ya'll talked about setting boundaries as someone in a relationship, with the tag-tuck-in as an example. I listen all the time and although I do ~thoroughly enjoy~ hearing about situationship stuff, I'm here for that long term relationship stuff too. Setting boundaries, arguing well, communication, respect, space, all the stuff that comes with being with someone long term. I vote ya'll add more stuff like that in the mix :) also ps I love all you guys like honestly ya'll are my little friends/background noise when I'm cleaning my house or editing photos. Big fan, big fan
The second caller reminds me of Kat from BIP this season
I could feel the intensity from the second caller and it doesn’t feel good.
Agreed. I wouldn’t be able to partner w someone with that kind of energy. So much anger.
She was SO intense. Im stressed now
I hope Nick can let the whole kiss on the cheek go…I have several male friends who greet me with a kiss on the cheek, everyone is partnered up…it’s no big deal
And it’s kind of sweet actually
Agree. I love it
I agree
He said It is weird if you are the only person doing it...lets say everyone shakes hands and one guy is kissing all the girls...it IS Strange. If you have done it all your life its absolutely fine.
Nick is intuitive. Trust your instinct. Keep an eye out for it to repeat, then look at it again. I’m female, a male spouse of a girlfriend of mine used to do the same thing with me. We were all close so me and my fiancé didn’t think anything of it. Two years later he took my bathing suit top off me when the 4 of us capsized in a canoe and we all goofed around swimming. Red flag. Then he full on kissed me at a party a week later. Immediately we ended the relationship but should have seen it sooner.
I don't know if it's a Canadian thing or not, but our entire family and all our friends (male AND female) greet one another with a kiss on the cheek and a hug. If you're not close friends though, I suppose that could be weird?
It's normal for strangers in a lot of places
Bring back Aly + Amanda combo :(
I agree!!!! Their banter was fantastic!
Pretty please
I’m wondering where is Amanda? Did she leave the show?
Sorry I meant Ali did Ali leave the show?
@janemclean7032 no he states every episode shes there behind camera. Very strange.
Love you, Nick, but I think you completely overreacted to the cheek kissing thing. Felt very uncharacteristically possessive and he-man of you. Now, if Natalie had come to you and said she felt violated or invaded, that would be something else. Even then, this is Natalie’s battle to fight. And you should only get involved if she feels in any way endangered. Otherwise you’re treating your fiancé like your property.
Agree.
It seems nick is in year 1800. What advice would he give to a caller annoyed at this stupid thing?
@@fravagna we have to remember his upbringing and life experience.. he has some wisdoms but is lacking awareness in many areas.
Great point! I agree.
Agreed!! Really awkward take.
Would you please consider having James Sexton a NYC divorce attorney on the show? I think his insight could be very beneficial to viewers/listeners
To the caller who wants to move in and marry the guy who just wanted to take a break. Nick, you’re spot on with the triggering that’s happening. And I can imagine how heated the caller gets, since she did it on this call with a neutral party. A few points: it’s never someone else’s job (unless it’s the parent of a child) to watch out for our best interests. So when she said she brought up wanting to have kids after a month, and that was important to her, but then she never spoke of it again…that’s on her. It was not on him to change or end the relationship knowing they want different things. It’s her job to recognize what is important to her and take the actions necessary to meet those needs. He has revealed what is important to him. She needs to believe him. The fact she doesn’t means she doesn’t trust him or his word. Take him at his word. Don’t try to decode it. He has said point blank he doesn’t want kids. He is telling her clearly. It’s not an open invitation to stick around and hope he changes his mind, or to criticize him for his choices. A month in and bringing up kids is not too soon when you’re with the right person for you. End of story.
Nailed it, men are simple, we don't play games, send signals or create drama on purpose, we are what you see, he does not want kids...maybe with her, maybe ever, but her pushing constantly is just making things worse.
The man you thought you were going to marry doesn’t want children. You have said that’s a deal breaker. Why do you still want to marry him.
"I dont get it, therefore its not right" Should be the name of Nick's next book
Lolol
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DEAD lmfao true
I have certain guy friends & girl friends that cheek kiss all the time. I don’t find it odd
So Nick, you are ready to go fight a guy because he was trying to be friendly and wanted to give your GF a cheek kiss? The dude seems to be clueless and unaware. Nick keeps saying it was a lack of respect. OMG, the guy was trying to be fun and friendly and it ended up weird because he is weird, but it's not a lack of respect. And then when men are actually inappropriate with women, you are the first to give men the benefit of the doubt but not when it includes your partner I guess. Wow... this says so much.
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I feel like it depends on where you’re from. My husbands family and all his friends definitely greet people like this. I had never experienced it before meeting my husband, but I cannot say that I’ve really thought about it being odd. To me it just seems to be cultural/regional depending on how/where you were raised. BUT I will say if I had not seen that pattern of behavior in someone before and they all the sudden started doing it that would be bizarre.
We just came out of a pandemic. I don't think it is a matter of European or not. It just seems if you don't know someone well, there is no need for kissing as a greeting.
I think he knew her well enough. He said they are friends and he likes the guy. He’s acting territorial.
Plandemic*
Nick get over it. Low blow how you kept saying “he’s not a threat.” If you’re so confident he’s not a threat why are you bashing him for 20 mins on your podcast? He sounds socially awkward. I almost feel bad for the guy. Be annoyed quietly and forget about it. Threatening him would be completely absurd.
Nick is a mean boy
I think what Nick was also alluding to was the misogyny of it. I wish he spoke more about Natalie’s take on things as I imagine emotions of protection can be elevated as she’s pregnant, his fiancé, etc. considering that context. I’d imagine the fact that the man felt it as appropriate to essentially initiate that sort of greeting when Natalie wasn’t even looking or making eye contact to read the situation, meaning he was close enough without reading the reciprocation ya know ?! That is an important detail to imagine how essentially weird it is to blindside someone
For instance, when you go to hug someone you read whether they are open to that by their body language like leannng in
Caller 3 is so funny. Dude solidified he likes her by talking into the night and she's afraid to ask him out. Goes to show as men we're expected to pursue for everything and girls have no idea how to sometimes lmao.
Kiss greeting in South America is completely normal between man/woman and woman/woman butt, not man/man so depends on the culture. Is very normal in almost every other culture except for America.
I wasn’t used to the cheek kiss greeting growing up in PA but it was very common once I moved to Long Island NY.
After living in Costa Rica for 2 years I am greeted with a kiss on the cheek by strangers and it has become normal and now I unconsciously do it and would do it in whatever country I'm in.. but yes it's a "in the moment" thing and if it flows it flows.. It's not romantic or ill intentioned in any way. Its classy, and i love it. Some people it flows some people it doesn't. It just is. Take a breath sweet protective Nick❤
In argentina we kiss each other all the time. Men, women, even if you dont know the person. I dont get why its just a big deal
I' m from a European coutry and we do kiss the cheek but only between men and women or women and women. Men shake hands with each other.
The more this conversation goes on the more I’m laughing 😅
But I know the younger folks are much more sensitive to this kind of thing.
Just treat people as people…why do we have to treat people differently if they are in a relationship??
Perhaps Nick has some unresolved issues around trust ?!
Well said.
Si.
Nick completely overreacted to that guy kissing in cheek situation
I generally think this is a protective instinct, yes we trust our partners, but we don’t necessarily trust everyone else.
Sure this cat may be ‘harmless’ but i don’t think it’s wrong to have expectations of how other people should behave around our partners. Big diff between ‘don’t go anywhere near my bf/gf’ vs. ‘I’m sure you haven’t put much thought into it, but please do not kiss my bf/gf on the cheek’
That said, i am curious why no follow up “why/or what do you think you’re doing when you only kiss attractive women on the cheek to greet them”
We were really vibing with the timestamps.
Who misbehaved and got them removed again?
What happened to Aly? I prefer Aly and Amanda dynamic
I think everyone does
"You probably gonna change ur mind"
Hi, so in the Czech Republic the culture is very much to shake hands and kiss two cheeks (its basically used instead of a hug) when you greet a close family friend, this applies to women/women and women/men and men/men usually just shake hands. Now *if* you accidentally almost kiss by going the wrong way you literally shake it off and laugh like, it happens, no big deal and its not gonna be weird because it was an accident. Now I am also half american, and I am more of a hugger and would not try to "european kiss" someone in America as a greeting because they wouldnt get it lol. My fiance is Swedish and they hug in Sweden as well (unless not close, then you shake hands) and he was listening to this convo and he agrees with Nick, that apparently the other guy should back off. So tbh I think it boils down to keeping your close people close and the rest at a respectful distance unless your culture is different.
Boy what a spicy episode, as far as shows go, this might be in top 3 for best advices, it is always a really good one❤
It is weird to cheek kiss a woman you don’t know personally if it’s not part of your culture for sure! It would make me uncomfortable and would want my partner to speak up about it because I for sure wouldn’t.
Stephanie was wrong. She likes having her ego fed, at the cost of his wife while she is the most vulnerable- carrying a child. Super gross.
Missing Ali on the show did she leave the show?
Hi Nick.. When can we expect the Bachelor in paradise recap??
No more “whys” about guys 📝
Nick I love you, but why so bugged? lol I’d of asked him why he was greeting people like that? Put him on spot lol
Nick’s the landlord lol
That made me laugh. But he may be happy to have the term Lord in there.
very fine for the kissing..? what the deal with it Nick? I greet my friends like that
Where is Ali?
Yea why is she hiding now :( miss her so much.
WHERE IS ALI?
Nick keeps talking about respect but he does not even has the decency and respect to talk to his buddy directly.
And I'm thinking that maybe it's more of a lack of awareness.
bring back alli!!!!
Can we get a merch line that has shirts saying “maybe don’t put your f*cking lips near my fiancés mouth”
Nick, you are acting territorial. The guy felt awkward and you don’t have to be European to kiss on the cheek. It was an accident. Also not a good look saying he’s not a threat. Not all people are superficial and base liking someone on appearance. You sound arrogant! I prefer a humble man who some may deem isn’t a threat than an arrogant man who thinks he’s hot. Don’t say you aren’t bothered because if you listen to yourself, you would hear that you are. Ask your therapist why it really got to you because it is obvious that it did.
I miss the dog!
Europeans aren’t the only ones who do cheek kisses when greeting 😂 Mexicans do it too 😂
And many many many others
And also a lot of european countries don’t do it 😅!
There are both men and women who move like this with people who are in relationships
There are women who purposely flirt with people who are known to be in a relationship.
It’s weird to me but maybe I’m just territorial too lol
First caller-DO NOT RESPOND, that is it, no reason to even talk to the guy, women will come up with the weirdest reasons to get attention
I would tell the guy to stop doing that sort of Behavior and it's like telling someone who has got bad breath..... If he is putting people off he ought to know and appreciate someone who wants to help and stop making social situations awkward
I don’t think it’s just disrespect of your relationship, I think it’s misogyny. Men like that think they have a right to cross that boundary with women. It’s similar to how a man in a relationship may talk about his “hot waitress” with his friends. Yes, it’s incredibly disrespectful to his relationship (and the waitress) but the root of it is misogyny and men’s twisted perception that they have some gross “right” to women.
What is the problem with the kiss on the cheek? In Mexico is so the way to go to greet women and not men that way... I think he's just being territorial because if his fiancé wouldn't have turned and almost kissed on the lips, there wouldn´t be an issue...
Nick Viall it sounds like you were pissed off with the guy because he crossed boundaries with your wife. And that’s how you should feel, you’re protecting your wife. Secondly, if either you or Natalie had said something right away like ‘hey dude what was that’s 😊 you probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. So my suggestion is the next time you see him, throw a zinger about double kissing, or double dipping….. Seinfeld 😂😂😂
as someone whose culture has kissing cheeks as greetings: it's less of a kiss and more of a touching cheeks and maybe a little peck so like wow
Please get Genevieve off the show. She’s so immature & shallow. “I don’t want to be friends with not hot people”. I’m so close to not listening anymore. Where is Ali???
Yes hiring her was a huge misread of the audience and changed the whole vibe. Aly and Amanda are young, but they are the beautiful Balance of "young and up to date" while also being very wise and deep. It worked well. But now we depend on Amanda who is even influenced by Genevieves' presence. I'm not hating on her as a human. She's growing. So so so young and inexperienced through no fault of her own. I'm hating on what she has done to the whole podcast. I also know nick is stubborn af lol and if he knows we are unhappy he might even want to keep her out of spite as a f u to the comments he says he never reads but clearly the girls all do.😅
Right? Like..she may think a little too highly of herself but more power to her for that confidence.
100% she needs to go
@soapyfankatie I think it'll take something big to wake Nick up to the fact that he will start to consistently lose long time viewers now not gain them. The only reason I check now is to see if she's gone. Or if the situation is acknowledged.
What happened to Ali?
My husband had college friends that would all openly flirt with each other. One of the girls rubbed my husbands (boyfriend at the time) arm and said lumberjacks were her biggest turn on. (My husband is broad with a beard) suffice to say i told him that night it was either me or them. Call it toxic and controlling. I call it knowing my boundaries and having self respect.
All that to say, I LOVED your breakdown on how heterosexual friendships are just different and explaining how. Too many people are blind to it/ignorant to why.
Nick, you sound like you were slighted by a man thinking he could kiss your girl. Too much about you , you sound possessive. The women are capable of addressing it themselves.
I would say something if it happened a second time
A gesture kissing someone , has no meaning, and is an expression that is not always meaningful . Hot deep attraction is your Soul family. They share deep emotional connections , unbreakable bond. How people from a mesa has to fight or defend itself , because of past history . Religion has Mass on the alter, because of no more sacrifice of human beings. Some people think they are match able because of franchise stores. The worst is thou shall not kill. A family filled with hatred and laziness. Frisco has all the retail stores to attract. Share same energy , find themselves and purpose on Earth. Understand each other on a deeper level.Why some Ethnic girls can threat , to get her way , living on her own ? Why some Ethnic boys , get themselves in a paying trick or treat ! How is it that Germans are so amused with other Ethnics ? When honduras girls are wonder women . The hidden German man ,who did wrong and survived. While others were brought into this world without a mother and father!
I really think it's super cute to see Nick being territorial.
IDK for someone who was so not threatened by this guy... he sure seemed bothered.
He probably kissed her because she is pregnant. Like it’s about the baby not Natalie.
You would have every right to have said exactly what you said! Not ok!!
You should never kiss or hug someone without their permission! Some people do not like that! It is disrespectful
Almost every other country in the world greets this way in their culture. It’s not like if we were to hug or kiss here in the USA.
No one ever asked me if they could hug me. That would be so weird!!!
I think you can usually tell if someone doesn’t want to and otherwise they can say that they don’t want to… 🤷♀️
Nick. Valid. Absolutely not. A vibe is a vibe and in no world would I even kiss someone’s fiancé on the cheek… MAYBE my best friend since I was 8.. even so maybe lol
Actually in a lot of "worlds" it's very normal
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1st time here, so not real clear on the dynamics here. I do want to say that I'm not sure why these ladies are defending the kissy dude, because my boyfriend would've probably punched him just for having his lips so close to me. This was totally uncalled for. I 💯 understand why Nick feels the way he does. Too often, the ones we don't think are a threat, are. This is why my bf & I are in agreement to not have any friends of the opposite gender. It eliminates all of the guessing games, misunderstandings, and the ability for anyone to concoct stories/situations that would jeopardize our relationship. Also, why don't we ALL just keep our lips & hands to ourselves until given the go-ahead from the other person? 🤷🏽♀️✌🏽