Absolutely disgraceful from this newly elected Labour Government. It's just an easy target for Rachel. I bet she's not the Chancellor by this time next year.
For most pensioners the triple lock was honoured but half of it has taken away by removing the winter fuel allowance. Also those that actually provided for their retirement and therefore have no need for claiming benefits must be wondering why did they bother.
@@dereton33For a lot it’ll mean they have to start paying tax too. They hate us and see us as nothing more than a burden. Loads of areas where money can be saved, this move is nothing more than spite.
Wondering why we have bothered to try and save a modest amount to help when we retire next year. And the triple lock won't be be much if it takes the state pension into the tax bracket as any rise in pension will be taken in tax. Still, I guess we can be happy that our taxes will help keep the thousands of illegal gimmegrants warm and fed and make sure the unions can insist on big fat wage rises for their members. Despair for those pensioners who will struggle to live on amounts just above the obscenely low pension credit level.
@@anthonystratton9705 Reeves is a Conservative only several months ago Reeves was openly praising the diabolical and dispicable thatcher a long with her revolting predecessor lawson.
It's not politicians that run the country or any country It's the top few% of the rich elite that dictate what happens they control the narrative. But shame on all mp's that take the bribe money and leave the rest of us to the wolves.
The job shy pensioners who never worked and never paid anything into the system will be absolutely fine. They'll keep their 200 pounds heating allowance. I think this is just the start of it, the worst is still to come.
Stop Judging they who have been less fortunate then you always attack unemployed i am coming up to 66 in a few Days my ESA claim closed on 27th i am a widow who cared with devotion for my sickly Husband 7 years ago my soulmate Died i died then 😢😢😢 ❤we have had to live off benifit all our married life 😢hated it but we are humble and not full of Pride as many of you out there are who say i worked all my life will bully for you your pride your sense of sympathy is disgusting how many of you go to church hands up people we all getting old all will die and face Judgement Jesus said build your riches in heaven not on earth people make me sick they stab there fellow human in the back ❤
@@sanchezelnino9159if you’re on every wasters benefit going, can’t they afford their own heating. Most of these benefit cheats are on more money than someone with a small pension. I know when I did pension credit for my mum, it lead on to other benefits like free council tax, which for me would be £3k a year
This is a good post from you sir we the pensioners don't really have a lot of support on this decision we are a lot worse off already before the withdrawl of the winter fuel payment as a result of the earnings threshold being frozen until 2028 resulting in pensioners paying a fair bit of their pensions on income tax I pay £165 a month in tax from my pension . We were not born pensioners I worked for fifty years paying NI and Income tax these people making these decisions will be pensioners someday themselves . I just want to add the MPs still have their heating allowance Ed Millband claimed over £1,000 for heating a second home says it all despicable.
The fact is that some pensions will die this year because they can’t afford to have the heating on. This is the simple truth. I wouldn’t want it on my conscience.
By Pensioners passing from the diseases brought on by excessive cold, unnoticed bonus will be an improvement in the NHS waiting lists and we won't be around to vote against them next time! Don't tell me this isn't planned. There is probably a robot feeding more clever ways to do us in!
Every year there are pensioners, and indeed other poorer people, who die off in winter due to cold, damp little food etc. Clearly those numbers aren't high enough for those in power so they have to ensure some more freeze to death. As for getting a part time job to help make ends meet, good luck with finding one. Younger, more able people are struggling to find work.
This shows their true colours. Pick on the most vulnerable, the easy targets. In my cohort, many will warm their homes to about 14*c or 57*f to save getting very cold. A living room will be closed off with draught excluders around doors and sit and watch tv or read a book with a couple of blankets over them. They’ll wrap up and go out for walks to warm up and get into bed by about 8 pm and will feel grateful in the morning if the sun is shining into a room. You know, it is far better than living rough out on the street. Kier, if you think I am lying or exaggerating, I can arrange for you to stay with a friend during November. I’m sure you know what cold really feels like? How DARE you waste taxpayer’s money!
I was talking to two elderly ladies last winter near to where I live , in south east wales, they told me they quite often they went to bed early to keep warm , and it wasn’t a particularly bad winter, what a sad indictment in a highly supposed civilisation
My parents are the same Al because my dad get a small private pension takes them over the limit for pension credit,its a disgrace everyone should be marching on no 10 this winter.
@@dereton33Unless you have a private pension over £10K it’s not worth having. U.K. has the 16th lowest Retirement Pension in OCED and one of the worst health care systems.
Yes the income limit for Pension credit is £218pw. Basic State Pension in 2024 is £221, so if you get just £3pw over the pension credit limit, you will get no help with heating. Yet MPs have kept their heating allowances 🤬🤬🤬
As the BoE said, the so called 'black hole' in the public finances was mainly there because Labour gave huge pay rises to favoured groups in the public sector. Next will come means testing of the State Pension, and extra taxation of private pension savings, as more & more public sector workers get above inflation rises without any increase in productivity. But no-one can claim to be surprised, as 2TK said he'd tax savers and not workers.
Of course funding the state sector's index linked pensions for a comfortable retirement is paramount, as old age seems to not be a sin and a burden to the community if you have worked for the state. If anything the state seems to have evolved in to a private members' club working for its own good as opposed to being a service to the public.
Yes, I'm 46p over the pension credit threshold, therefore classed as well off by the government. How can they still claim their own winter heating allowance whilst telling people like me to deal with it. Words fail me, mainly because I would get arrested.
@@philhitchings You forget Pension credit includes a savings credit where people are rewarded for savings they have, so in effect people have a lot more money than many others who can qualify for a Winter Fuel Payment. In other words the OP has loads of money!!!
£200 or £300 might not be much to politicians but its crucial for many pensioners who can't claim pension credit. They will probably end up costing the NHS more than the winter fuel allowance ever does, not to mention the stress and distress this punitive action will cause. The same rationale should be applied to politicians fuel allowance and the disgusting subsidy on food and drink in the Houses of Parliament should be stopped immediately unless it can be proved they are entertaining on official business. They've all got their snouts in the trough
We knew they would target the vulnerable but it really is disgusting as they know this decision will cost lives. Maybe they should start paying their heating bill's for their 2nd homes then they could give us our heating allowance back???
@@sanchezelnino9159Not very protected if inflation and/or increasing costs e.g. Council Tax outstrip any increase in a fixed income which people can't increase.
@@sanchezelnino9159 you sound like a horrible person. Are you even British ? A lot of older people weren't able to save and a lot certainly didn't live beyond their means. Hope you're alright in your older years !!! Lol
I’m 87 and I’m praying for a mild winter, but what if it’s a very cold winter? ..many of us are going to suffer a little, not what I was expecting at my time of life ..Thanks for nothing , literally , Mr Starmer .
@@sanchezelnino9159 we are going to have to sell our homes,whilst lazy renters having their rent paid will get their care for free,we pensioners paid for the pensioners before us,it is your turn now
This Government seems very vindictive - say anything against them and you're locked up. Most of us pensioners don't vote Labour so we're certainly going to pay for that!
The government waste so much money it's unreal. My mentally handicapped sister is in a care home (it's more like a home) with 3 other people like her. They ALL get Mobility Allowance, so there is 4 cars stood outside the house and they hardly ever get used. The car was changed recently ( I think it's every 3 years) and had about 1000 miles on it (that's not a typo, it's ONE thousand). It's ridiculous, my other sister, who deals with the finances, has to tell the home to spend some money. They bought a chair for her bedroom for over £700 !! The heating is on full blast, certainly high twenties (probably nearer to 30) because they have unlimited funds. Now, times that by hundreds of thousand of people doing it and you can see where the money is going. My local council had scaffolding around the Town Hall for over 3 years and there was no work going on that I could see, plus, they were supposed to have had staff cuts, I bet empty rooms were being heated there too ! Everyone seems to be getting their noses in the trough it seems but no, lets take it off the most vulnerable...
Typical stupid Labour economics. The cost of additional pensioners who will now start claiming pension credit will be far greater than the savings made by stopping the fuel allowance. Not to mention the extra cost of DWP staff needed to administer those new claims for pension credit.
Labour , have made a big mistake here , because , pensioners, are voters , and relatives of these pensioners are voter's, these pensioners, are brothers , sisters , parents , grandparents, well done labour ., you have just lost the remaining voters you had. , millions will now. Vote REFORM UK PARTY .
@@dereton33 the only one worth voting for that stood any chance for change for better was reform ,labour and cons are finished so too is lib Dems and greens , waste of time and heritage , ukip Britain first etc are not strong enough until maybe next 50 years so we'll too late ,
Hi Al, Love your work mate and have always wanted to say so. This video hit me hard because I pay my mothers winter bills even though I have my own home elsewhere. She lives alone since she lost her husband last year. She is 82yrs of age and has been rejected for pension credit, which I immediately applied for as I look after her home and her finances during the expensive winter periods. Last Christmas was incredibly difficult on me as I am paying for my own place too. I hate to think what her bills will be this year without that fuel payment to absorb some of the 'gut punch'. Telling my mother yet again that she needs to close all the living room doors and wrap up like the Michellin tyre man is something I am not looking forwards to.
What they have done is cowardly, picking on pensioners. I am not rich , far from it, I live in Scotland and so far we have had a bad summer and cold and wet most days, right now my house is cold and I need to put my heating on but I can't. I have a basic pension, a small NHS pension and a small part of my husband's private pension. My regret now is that I worked. So do I thank Mr Starmer, guess you know the answer to that already..
I bet that a lot of pensioners voted Liebour, and the party kept quiet about the payment loss as they knew they wouldn't get voted in otherwise. No way did they not know about the deficit total, it's marvellous that funds seem endless for the 'refugees'... oh and for the MP's' second homes... I'm sat here trying to keep the heating off as long as possible (and I've worked for over 40 years) yet the clowns won't even give it a second thought, it seems they are having a laugh at our expense Al...
They were told 10 weeks before the election exactly what the deficit was , and added another £9 billion to it by giving public sector workers 3 times the inflation rate pay rises
Because England subsidizes Scotland. Free prescriptions, free University, even the Skye Bridge is toll free but we have to pay to cross the Humber Bridge. If you have ever traveled to the remoter parts of Scotland you would see the roads are in great shape and petrol is subsidized. Mostly paid for by the rest of the UK. For some reason our government are scared stiff that Scotland will vote for independence and leave the Union. Nicola Sturgeon knew that and played on it to good effect.
Because England subsidizes Scotland. For some reason our government is scared stiff that Scotland will vote for independence and leave the Union. Nicola Sturgeon knew that and played on it. They should have called her bluff.
Yes, I agree with you. We paid into a private pension, so we don’t qualify for pension credit. We pay tax on our private pension. Over the years we have less money due to everything going up far more than any pension rises. We used to be able to have a meal out, now it’s more a birthday treat.
The fuel allowance was only introduced in 1997 by Tony Blair some folk think its been around forever, the rich celebrities should lose it and those living abroad other than that it should be means tested
The photo of pensioners in bed is a true reflection of what has and is about to happen this winter.. I actually came across a dear friend of mine who had died from hyperthermia and was very close previously dieing from malnutrition..a few weeks earlier...?? Because of the pathetic pension he was receiving. Somehow I don't think people realise just what exactly millions of pensioners have to live on weekly. If they did they would not listen to the properganda of this government. About them being millionaires who spend their money on alcohol and cigarettes...bull crap. I would like them to produce everdence of this of people who solely depends on the state pension..??? And not someone who is getting extra money from a private pension.???? But of course this will never happen Wii it . mainly because it will expose the lies. Won't it..
I trust you mean the shop not the country however, perhaps they can feed themselves on frozen cr@p more cheaply than shopping in the likes of tesco etc .
It’s ok to raise taxes if the money is spent wisely but it never is. It’s just wasted due to government inefficiency. This will never change. The NHS is a good example of inefficiency and wastage.
It might be more useful if the government were to impose meaningful caps on bills, particularly from the utilities. Stop the greed, and boost the need.
Al …..well done🎉 Great topic I’m too sad to discuss it but I just love your “chats” . I think the way things are going you will have plenty to chat about!
It's absolutely shameful that the new government should take away this allowance to pensioners! When you look at what things money is being wasted on i.e. the absolute joke of achieving net zero, nowt else need be said 🙄 🎉
Purely from the `psychological` point of view Labours big mistake was that they targeted the pensioners FIRST, instead of looking at other aspects of saving, then much later looking at the Winter Fuel Allowance. This gives the impression of not caring for the elderly. However we look at this there is a `grey band` of pensioners, just above the cut off point, who are not millionaires or very rich and will suffer this winter time. It would also help to keep the public `on side` if the politicians themselves were to `take a hit` financially. After all Labour was elected on the word `Change`. It would be wonderful if Labour showed up those `money grabbing Tories` by taking a salary cut and refusing some of the perks of Parliament. Now that would be `change`.
Love listening to you, makes sense to me, I am one of those with small private pension that takes me outside pension credit, which I would have got as I have 2 missing years so do not get the full state pension. If I had known and could have afforded to buy it back I would have.
If I was a poor pensioner I would heat my house and stay warm and then when the bills come in tell the energy companies to stuff it and just don’t pay. If enough people do this they could reverse this cruel decision.
they should be less strict with the cut off point, be better if they just gave the difference, if you are 50p or £50 over then surely they could just deduct that and give the difference, at least it is almost fair. the problem was they were giving it to everyone, i know a few well off pensioners that did not want it or need and felt insulted that they were forced to have it, and there was no way for them to say no or give it back.
Means tested after paying into the system all our working lives ! This government shows its utter contempt for older people, Consider the other impact that they have ignored, My energy supplier tells me my bill will go up by £200 this October and possibly again in January added together the initial cost will be £500, then add January onto the bill. Older people are careful and understand the cost of living, This government is clueless to those costs, being cushioned by what they can claim for.
I sincerely hope the Labour Party don't expect the vast majority of people to vote for them again, because it's not likely to happen. This is a "one off" government, unlikely to be repeated for a long time......
It makes me sick to my stomach that the government always start hitting the pensioners in the pocket. The MP's will still get their allowances but if they have any morale's at all they should decline it and give it back but I cant see that happening especially with that clown Starmer in charge. Lets hope they get booted out early with a vote of no confidence.
I have just reached 66 I have worked from 16 I put into a works pension and now get my government pension I don’t need a heating allowance like most people in this country. It’s going to the wrong people . Give heating allowance to people who need it like child benefits, why should people who earn over £60k get child benefits. No wonder the country is in a mess. Benefits should also be stopped to people who can work but choose not to. We can not carry on paying people for nothing. Only the genuine should get it.
How can Robber Reeves take £300 away from British pensioners this winter i dont understand how this woman can be so cruel i wonder if King Charles can remove this evil Labour government from power for the sake of British people.😊
Every pensioner should write individually yo the chancelor st 11,Downing Street, London, SW1A. 1AA demanding a full explanation, give it two weeks, then write again a reminder and keep writing. Bury the buggers in paper !
The winter fuel payment was introduced by Labour in 1997, so it's relatively a new thing. It was poorly designed with too many people receiving it that didn't need it. I agree removing it with a crude test of pension credit alone is hard on those just above the threshold, but it should not matter to most pensioners. Certainly not those I know and it should not affect anyone that can afford to run a couple of scooters. Hopefully the chancellor will address the threshold issue at the budget, when she will no doubt hit every single sector of the economy and population to fill the enormous gap. I know I expect to feel some pain.
People voted labour so that they wouldn’t lose their heating allowance. Won’t be long before they lose the free prescriptions as well. Do they not realise the pressure that’s going to put on the nhs.
I’ve just read that the fuel bills are likely to increase by £149 this year. For 10 million pensioners that’s an increase of £449 now they have taken the fuel allowance. Wicked people.
My elderly neighbour was complaining about loosing her heating allowance I asked who did you vote for. Labour enough said I walked away with a heavy heart reform all the way.
We all need to vote for Reform in any local elections. Get the Labour councillors out which will weaken the Labour Party. It isn’t going to be a quick fix.
There's no money. Come the budget more money will be taken. Of course much of this has to do with Brexit, which pensioners voted for. The young, who are paying for everything, didn't vote for Brexit.
@@dereton33 so what? Whatever the motive, the consequence was going to be financial. The young should not have to pay for everything, because there will be no motive to work and therefore no pension, nevermind triple lock or fuel payment. They voted, they need to accept the consequence.
There is a big difference between keeping up a traditional custom by making an inside joke stating "There is no money left" and concealing a 22 billion black hole deficit. The winter fuel allowance had been introduced by a previous Labour HMG as a temporary measure to support poor pensioners. Fortunately, pensioners are better off than previously, and the few exceptions have benefit-tested subsidies.
Why do the power companies charge senior citizens?They make enough profit without doing that..They care about their shareholders and not the elderly,which fact should be rectified.Humanity calls
I am not surprised by what they are doing. I live in Scotland and will always vote SNP, but others here have voted to get rid of the tories. I worked in the voluntary sector most of my career and didn't earn a lot, but loved my job. I have a very small private pension. I am not entitled to pension credit because I have about 30p too much every week. I always depended on my winter fuel payment as it is so much colder here. I would love to live abroad anywhere i Europe but can't afford to. WE need to get rid on the monarchy and the house of lords and then, maybe there will be more money to spread around. Charles just got an extra 46 million. HoL has over 600 people allowed £300 a day just for turning up. Why do we allow it? Democracy at its worst
Mr Justkinaford is half the country. What’s the point of being careful for retirement. Just go on benefits, pee it up against the wall, have annual holidays, why bother!
Amazing how there’s always money left for MP’s credit cards and expense allowances.
Yes exactly 😡😡
And didn't Rachel Thieves have hers taken off her because she couldn't account for all her expenditure.
Ha ha you couldn't write it 🤣
All politicians must have their own £3200 a year heating allowance removed
Yes, that is incredible. You can't believe these politicians.
Politicians =Hypocrisy
Pensioners =Hypothermia
That's the answer 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@Zoro007 The answer is to squirrel off the " excess " until you become eligible for all the handouts. Be one step ahead of this evil government.
@@suzieq9245 I'll make sure that clause is written into my Will...👍👍👍👍👍 Thanks
@@sandrafinbarthe first thing politicians learn before being elected how to screw the tax payer & all allowances scams .
Absolutely disgraceful from this newly elected Labour Government. It's just an easy target for Rachel. I bet she's not the Chancellor by this time next year.
I HOPE NOT!!
We Hope..
@@RobertShaw-l9m starmer's Reeves their appeasing conservative party. support left - wing true Labour the 6 suspended ministers that's real labour.
Ah, we can only live in hopes.
Fingers crossed 🤞
For most pensioners the triple lock was honoured but half of it has taken away by removing the winter fuel allowance. Also those that actually provided for their retirement and therefore have no need for claiming benefits must be wondering why did they bother.
Yes indeed.
@@dereton33For a lot it’ll mean they have to start paying tax too. They hate us and see us as nothing more than a burden. Loads of areas where money can be saved, this move is nothing more than spite.
Ditto
Wondering why we have bothered to try and save a modest amount to help when we retire next year. And the triple lock won't be be much if it takes the state pension into the tax bracket as any rise in pension will be taken in tax. Still, I guess we can be happy that our taxes will help keep the thousands of illegal gimmegrants warm and fed and make sure the unions can insist on big fat wage rises for their members. Despair for those pensioners who will struggle to live on amounts just above the obscenely low pension credit level.
reeves will have a lot on her conscience when sadly pensioners can’t afford to heat their home what an evil woman. and starmer in the same category
What conscience?
@@anthonystratton9705 Reeves is a Conservative only several months ago Reeves was openly praising the diabolical and dispicable thatcher a long with her revolting predecessor lawson.
We voted for them
@@anthonystratton9705 voted for Labour not starmer's Reeves their appeasing conservative party. support left - wing true Labour Jeremy corbyn.
she is pure Evil both are
They knew exactly what the deficit was before they were "elected" into office. Unfortunately, pensioners are easy pickings. The country's been duped.
Sure have.
sure are
You were warned not to vote Labour.
@@topfuelteddy And I certainly didn't
It's not politicians that run the country or any country It's the top few% of the rich elite that dictate what happens they control the narrative. But shame on all mp's that take the bribe money and leave the rest of us to the wolves.
Pensioner's can't withdraw their labour like train drivers etc, it's absolutely disgraceful to hit Pensioners.
Shameful
The job shy pensioners who never worked and never paid anything into the system will be absolutely fine. They'll keep their 200 pounds heating allowance. I think this is just the start of it, the worst is still to come.
Yes do nothing and get it all
It's a. Effing joke. Work all ya love to get fukall. Do nothing and get it all a bit like the lot coming in on boats🤮😭😭
Stop Judging they who have been less fortunate then you always attack unemployed
i am coming up to 66 in a few Days
my ESA claim closed on 27th
i am a widow who cared with devotion for my sickly Husband
7 years ago my soulmate Died
i died then 😢😢😢
❤we have had to live off benifit all our married life 😢hated it but we are humble and not full of Pride as many of you out there are
who say i worked all my life
will bully for you your pride your sense of sympathy is disgusting
how many of you go to church
hands up people
we all getting old all will die and face Judgement
Jesus said build your riches in heaven not on earth
people make me sick they stab there fellow human in the back
❤
So, do you intend to continue working once you reach pension age? So quick to judge.......
@@Brian-om2hh Yes, I intend to continue working once I reach pension age.
It's always the same.
The careful ones that invested in their future gets hit but the wasteful ones seem to get all the benefits.
Understand the system. 1st step-read The Prodigal Son.
No
Welcome to a socialist government.
@@sanchezelnino9159if you’re on every wasters benefit going, can’t they afford their own heating. Most of these benefit cheats are on more money than someone with a small pension. I know when I did pension credit for my mum, it lead on to other benefits like free council tax, which for me would be £3k a year
@@sanchezelnino9159Too busy paying liebour debts off from Blair and Brown
This is a good post from you sir we the pensioners don't really have a lot of support on this decision we are a lot worse off already before the withdrawl of the winter fuel payment as a result of the earnings threshold being frozen until 2028 resulting in pensioners paying a fair bit of their pensions on income tax I pay £165 a month in tax from my pension . We were not born pensioners I worked for fifty years paying NI and Income tax these people making these decisions will be pensioners someday themselves . I just want to add the MPs still have their heating allowance Ed Millband claimed over £1,000 for heating a second home says it all despicable.
No wonder people have had enough
Still working, 54th uear now, can't live on full state pension and one work pension, getting plenty of tax out of me still!
@@caroldavies9327the full state pension doesn’t even equate to the minimum wage
I also worked for 50 years - that's 50 years of fully paid, tax and NI - now I'm classed as an overpriviledged, rich pensioner!
@@gingerali that is very true the state pension should at least be as much as the minimum wage.
The fact is that some pensions will die this year because they can’t afford to have the heating on. This is the simple truth. I wouldn’t want it on my conscience.
By Pensioners passing from the diseases brought on by excessive cold, unnoticed bonus will be an improvement in the NHS waiting lists and we won't be around to vote against them next time! Don't tell me this isn't planned. There is probably a robot feeding more clever ways to do us in!
Every year there are pensioners, and indeed other poorer people, who die off in winter due to cold, damp little food etc. Clearly those numbers aren't high enough for those in power so they have to ensure some more freeze to death. As for getting a part time job to help make ends meet, good luck with finding one. Younger, more able people are struggling to find work.
Politicians don't do conscience, all they are after is lining their own pockets.
we all die sooner or later
Re Bus Passes..Give them time....They've only just started...
I bet you that Rachel Reeves won't go cold this winter.
Ha ha
It's amazing that people like Reeves who are well off don't give a fight about people who are struggling. there will be many deaths this year.
Oh myra will be alright yes.
This shows their true colours. Pick on the most vulnerable, the easy targets. In my cohort, many will warm their homes to about 14*c or 57*f to save getting very cold. A living room will be closed off with draught excluders around doors and sit and watch tv or read a book with a couple of blankets over them. They’ll wrap up and go out for walks to warm up and get into bed by about 8 pm and will feel grateful in the morning if the sun is shining into a room. You know, it is far better than living rough out on the street. Kier, if you think I am lying or exaggerating, I can arrange for you to stay with a friend during November. I’m sure you know what cold really feels like? How DARE you waste taxpayer’s money!
I was talking to two elderly ladies last winter near to where I live , in south east wales, they told me they quite often they went to bed early to keep warm , and it wasn’t a particularly bad winter, what a sad indictment in a highly supposed civilisation
Thanks for your comments guys 👦
My parents are the same Al because my dad get a small private pension takes them over the limit for pension credit,its a disgrace everyone should be marching on no 10 this winter.
Yes lets turn there heating off. They can go sit in a library all day.
@@dereton33Unless you have a private pension over £10K it’s not worth having. U.K. has the 16th lowest Retirement Pension in OCED and one of the worst health care systems.
@@dereton33 Weatherspoons is better!.
Yes the income limit for Pension credit is £218pw. Basic State Pension in 2024 is £221, so if you get just £3pw over the pension credit limit, you will get no help with heating. Yet MPs have kept their heating allowances 🤬🤬🤬
Shameful
It's disgusting. They don't give a dam about anyone but themselves.
As the BoE said, the so called 'black hole' in the public finances was mainly there because Labour gave huge pay rises to favoured groups in the public sector.
Next will come means testing of the State Pension, and extra taxation of private pension savings, as more & more public sector workers get above inflation rises without any increase in productivity. But no-one can claim to be surprised, as 2TK said he'd tax savers and not workers.
Of course funding the state sector's index linked pensions for a comfortable retirement is paramount, as old age seems to not be a sin and a burden to the community if you have worked for the state. If anything the state seems to have evolved in to a private members' club working for its own good as opposed to being a service to the public.
Thanks for your comments 🙂
Yes, I'm 46p over the pension credit threshold, therefore classed as well off by the government. How can they still claim their own winter heating allowance whilst telling people like me to deal with it. Words fail me, mainly because I would get arrested.
You have to be so careful now.
If you have trouble paying your heating bill you can always enquire to your energy supplier about the Warm Home Discount scheme.
Then cut your income by 47p!!
I should think it depends on if you can. If DWP computer insists you're over the limit then who knows how to change that yourself.
@@philhitchings You forget Pension credit includes a savings credit where people are rewarded for savings they have, so in effect people have a lot more money than many others who can qualify for a Winter Fuel Payment. In other words the OP has loads of money!!!
never forget never forgive.
Remember Remember Remember
Everybody who is a pensioner will remember this and never forgive. Labour will never be elected again EVER.
Yes Al, same old same old with these governments blaming everyone else..
Tr
True
£200 or £300 might not be much to politicians but its crucial for many pensioners who can't claim pension credit. They will probably end up costing the NHS more than the winter fuel allowance ever does, not to mention the stress and distress this punitive action will cause. The same rationale should be applied to politicians fuel allowance and the disgusting subsidy on food and drink in the Houses of Parliament should be stopped immediately unless it can be proved they are entertaining on official business. They've all got their snouts in the trough
Shame on them all.
Mark my words, bus passes, triple lock, it won't stop here
I know.
Wouldn't put it past them they want us dead at 70 god help us 😢
We knew they would target the vulnerable but it really is disgusting as they know this decision will cost lives.
Maybe they should start paying their heating bill's for their 2nd homes then they could give us our heating allowance back???
That will never happen.
We’ll said Al, I never voted for them and they sure buggered themselves for the grey vote next time around.
Yes for sure
The government need this money to treat all these boat people that will come over with monkey pox
No they just want the money.
We will remember them will take on a different meaning come election day.
Too true.
@@sanchezelnino9159Not very protected if inflation and/or increasing costs e.g. Council Tax outstrip any increase in a fixed income which people can't increase.
@@sanchezelnino9159 you sound like a horrible person. Are you even British ? A lot of older people weren't able to save and a lot certainly didn't live beyond their means. Hope you're alright in your older years !!! Lol
@@sanchezelnino9159 hope you lose your job
I’m 87 and I’m praying for a mild winter, but what if it’s a very cold winter? ..many of us are going to suffer a little, not what I was expecting at my time of life ..Thanks for nothing , literally , Mr Starmer .
Labour did the same thing though. With a note saying there was no money left in the pot. Back in 2011
@@sanchezelnino9159 because they are doing so much damage in a short time .
@@sanchezelnino9159 we are going to have to sell our homes,whilst lazy renters having their rent paid will get their care for free,we pensioners paid for the pensioners before us,it is your turn now
@@dereton33 you need to google that.
@@sanchezelnino9159 there spending 8 million a day on boat raiders in this country in warm comfortable hotels it’s a joke
Don't give them ideas on the buspasses!!!! Then again I am sure they are allready looking at the bus pass.
They will be looking at everything
@@dereton33 they will raise the age of free prescriptions next, just you wait and see...
I agreed in everything you said!😂 The public need to go out there and March and show their disapproval
That may incur a long prison sentence. This government does not take kindly to any form of dissent or criticism.
This Government seems very vindictive - say anything against them and you're locked up. Most of us pensioners don't vote Labour so we're certainly going to pay for that!
Who cares they are there whether we like it or not.
@@sanchezelnino9159 I don't remember the Tories jailing political prisoners or two tier justice.
The government waste so much money it's unreal. My mentally handicapped sister is in a care home (it's more like a home) with 3 other people like her. They ALL get Mobility Allowance, so there is 4 cars stood outside the house and they hardly ever get used. The car was changed recently ( I think it's every 3 years) and had about 1000 miles on it (that's not a typo, it's ONE thousand). It's ridiculous, my other sister, who deals with the finances, has to tell the home to spend some money. They bought a chair for her bedroom for over £700 !! The heating is on full blast, certainly high twenties (probably nearer to 30) because they have unlimited funds. Now, times that by hundreds of thousand of people doing it and you can see where the money is going. My local council had scaffolding around the Town Hall for over 3 years and there was no work going on that I could see, plus, they were supposed to have had staff cuts, I bet empty rooms were being heated there too ! Everyone seems to be getting their noses in the trough it seems but no, lets take it off the most vulnerable...
Shocking 😲
Typical stupid Labour economics. The cost of additional pensioners who will now start claiming pension credit will be far greater than the savings made by stopping the fuel allowance. Not to mention the extra cost of DWP staff needed to administer those new claims for pension credit.
There you go
I bet Reeves parents won’t freeze this winter. I’m knitting hats and gloves for pensioners. I am one myself.
It is ok she has £3400 towards hers.
Myra will be alright.
The GOVERMENT have got plenty of money for feathering their own nests and financing the boat people.
Yes, ours.
Incorrect. The government have no money. They get what they need from the taxpayer.....
Labour , have made a big mistake here , because , pensioners, are voters , and relatives of these pensioners are voter's, these pensioners, are brothers , sisters , parents , grandparents, well done labour ., you have just lost the remaining voters you had. , millions will now. Vote REFORM UK PARTY .
Most pensioners don't vote Labour so they don't need to worry.
Pensioners are the only group that votes Conservative
I never voted for either of them 😕
@@dereton33 the only one worth voting for that stood any chance for change for better was reform ,labour and cons are finished so too is lib Dems and greens , waste of time and heritage , ukip Britain first etc are not strong enough until maybe next 50 years so we'll too late ,
Hi Al,
Love your work mate and have always wanted to say so. This video hit me hard because I pay my mothers winter bills even though I have my own home elsewhere. She lives alone since she lost her husband last year. She is 82yrs of age and has been rejected for pension credit, which I immediately applied for as I look after her home and her finances during the expensive winter periods. Last Christmas was incredibly difficult on me as I am paying for my own place too. I hate to think what her bills will be this year without that fuel payment to absorb some of the 'gut punch'.
Telling my mother yet again that she needs to close all the living room doors and wrap up like the Michellin tyre man is something I am not looking forwards to.
So sorry to hear this Darren.
What they have done is cowardly, picking on pensioners. I am not rich , far from it, I live in Scotland and so far we have had a bad summer and cold and wet most days, right now my house is cold and I need to put my heating on but I can't. I have a basic pension, a small NHS pension and a small part of my husband's private pension. My regret now is that I worked. So do I thank Mr Starmer, guess you know the answer to that already..
I do.
We pensioners all need to sign age uk petition, write to your MP and keep doing throughout the winter., l Agree we will remember them!
Great keep going everyone.
I bet that a lot of pensioners voted Liebour, and the party kept quiet about the payment loss as they knew they wouldn't get voted in otherwise. No way did they not know about the deficit total, it's marvellous that funds seem endless for the 'refugees'... oh and for the MP's' second homes... I'm sat here trying to keep the heating off as long as possible (and I've worked for over 40 years) yet the clowns won't even give it a second thought, it seems they are having a laugh at our expense Al...
They were told 10 weeks before the election exactly what the deficit was , and added another £9 billion to it by giving public sector workers 3 times the inflation rate pay rises
Just terrible 😞
If pensioners demonstrate they'll be arrested jailed and get free winter heating...!😅
Now there is a thought.
If money is so short, how come prescriptions are free in Scotland and Wales ???
Yes
Scotland runs its own NHS system
and bus passes at 60!!
Because England subsidizes Scotland. Free prescriptions, free University, even the Skye Bridge is toll free but we have to pay to cross the Humber Bridge. If you have ever traveled to the remoter parts of Scotland you would see the roads are in great shape and petrol is subsidized. Mostly paid for by the rest of the UK. For some reason our government are scared stiff that Scotland will vote for independence and leave the Union. Nicola Sturgeon knew that and played on it to good effect.
Because England subsidizes Scotland. For some reason our government is scared stiff that Scotland will vote for independence and leave the Union. Nicola Sturgeon knew that and played on it. They should have called her bluff.
Doesn't matter if they wear a blue badge or a red badge, none of them working for YOUR benefit. Vote independent or don't vote at all!
Cheers Paul
Yes, I agree with you. We paid into a private pension, so we don’t qualify for pension credit. We pay tax on our private pension.
Over the years we have less money due to everything going up far more than any pension rises.
We used to be able to have a meal out, now it’s more a birthday treat.
A gradual stab in the back, by bad naff people running this country.
The fuel allowance was only introduced in 1997 by Tony Blair some folk think its been around forever, the rich celebrities should lose it and those living abroad other than that it should be means tested
Thanks Sharon.
I agree with you disgusting with doing this trick plus gas/ electric is going to increase.
Yes it`s on the way and they will blame the Cons for it.
If you work hard scrimp and save you are penalized every time. Just fritter your money away.
May just be, the best bet.
Why is the overseas aid budget still in existence? when we need that money here?
I have no idea.
Exactly. Why have Labour recently decided to hand foreign aid to a Chinese female theatre production company? Why are we giving money to China?
The photo of pensioners in bed is a true reflection of what has and is about to happen this winter..
I actually came across a dear friend of mine who had died from hyperthermia and was very close previously dieing from malnutrition..a few weeks earlier...??
Because of the pathetic pension he was receiving.
Somehow I don't think people realise just what exactly millions of pensioners have to live on weekly.
If they did they would not listen to the properganda of this government. About them being millionaires who spend their money on alcohol and cigarettes...bull crap.
I would like them to produce everdence of this of people who solely depends on the state pension..???
And not someone who is getting extra money from a private pension.????
But of course this will never happen Wii it . mainly because it will expose the lies. Won't it..
Thanks for your comments
Who's got the most money in the country in the form of houses.? we oldies thats who , so they are gunning for us.
Bang got us.
If old people are affected by the cold that much why do you see hundreds of them shopping in Iceland?
I trust you mean the shop not the country however, perhaps they can feed themselves on frozen cr@p more cheaply than shopping in the likes of tesco etc .
@@sidsod1616 Went over your head didn’t it; I don’t think satire is your thing?
It’s ok to raise taxes if the money is spent wisely but it never is. It’s just wasted due to government inefficiency. This will never change. The NHS is a good example of inefficiency and wastage.
About right there.
It might be more useful if the government were to impose meaningful caps on bills, particularly from the utilities. Stop the greed, and boost the need.
Right on.
I miss the tax and spend Labour government. Now it's just tax.
No Labour government has been good for this country.
😅
Al …..well done🎉
Great topic I’m too sad to discuss it but I just love your “chats” . I think the way things are going you will have plenty to chat about!
Well said. Thanks Shadowdancer.
It's absolutely shameful that the new government should take away this allowance to pensioners! When you look at what things money is being wasted on i.e. the absolute joke of achieving net zero, nowt else need be said 🙄 🎉
Nowt at all.
plenty of money for the 2.4 million migrants who have arrived in the last 6 years.
There you go.
The government has to look after the illegals somehow, these men will be nice and warm.
And Ukraine support has cost billions.
You mean the incoming army
Thanks for your comments.
Income tax is going up and social housing rent is going up too
More welcome news to come then.
Purely from the `psychological` point of view Labours big mistake was that they targeted the pensioners FIRST, instead of looking at other aspects of saving, then much later looking at the Winter Fuel Allowance. This gives the impression of not caring for the elderly. However we look at this there is a `grey band` of pensioners, just above the cut off point, who are not millionaires or very rich and will suffer this winter time. It would also help to keep the public `on side` if the politicians themselves were to `take a hit` financially. After all Labour was elected on the word `Change`. It would be wonderful if Labour showed up those `money grabbing Tories` by taking a salary cut and refusing some of the perks of Parliament. Now that would be `change`.
I doubt it will happen.
Spot on!
Thanks
Love listening to you, makes sense to me, I am one of those with small private pension that takes me outside pension credit, which I would have got as I have 2 missing years so do not get the full state pension. If I had known and could have afforded to buy it back I would have.
Sorry to hear that Diane.
If I was a poor pensioner I would heat my house and stay warm and then when the bills come in tell the energy companies to stuff it and just don’t pay. If enough people do this they could reverse this cruel decision.
A great idea Rowan.
I am so proud i didn't vote LABOUR people who did....Well thankyou
Not pensioners
Cut back on government and MP’s expenses. Go on Starmer, show a leaders good example………………We won’t hold our breath.
No.
they should be less strict with the cut off point, be better if they just gave the difference, if you are 50p or £50 over then surely they could just deduct that and give the difference, at least it is almost fair. the problem was they were giving it to everyone, i know a few well off pensioners that did not want it or need and felt insulted that they were forced to have it, and there was no way for them to say no or give it back.
Trouble is it hits the wrong people.
Attack the most vulnerable must look after all the young men in those hotels they are our future votes
Humm never looked at it that way before.
Means tested after paying into the system all our working lives ! This government shows its utter contempt for older people, Consider the other impact that they have ignored, My energy supplier tells me my bill will go up by £200 this October and possibly again in January added together the initial cost will be £500, then add January onto the bill. Older people are careful and understand the cost of living, This government is clueless to those costs, being cushioned by what they can claim for.
If only we had trained people working the country and not people who no nothing about it.
Thanks Labour voters.
Cheers
Those money grabbing gits in parliament will NOT lose their £3400 fuel allowance!!
Of course not. There not going to loose There money down the black hole
Well said bereton, but shouldn't the so called government have given oaps more notice ?
Exactly.
I sincerely hope the Labour Party don't expect the vast majority of people to vote for them again, because it's not likely to happen. This is a "one off" government, unlikely to be repeated for a long time......
Fingers crossed
Why is she not sharing her £3000. Plus heating allowance to the people , not keep it for her self, shows what type of person she is !!
A politician.
It makes me sick to my stomach that the government always start hitting the pensioners in the pocket. The MP's will still get their allowances but if they have any morale's at all they should decline it and give it back but I cant see that happening especially with that clown Starmer in charge. Lets hope they get booted out early with a vote of no confidence.
Thanks for your comments.
What a rotten bunch
We want them out already
All MP`s should be paid minimum wage and see how they can survive
Not long.
Labour should be ashamed of themselves , thought they were for the working people.
Not any more it seems.
I have just reached 66 I have worked from 16 I put into a works pension and now get my government pension I don’t need a heating allowance like most people in this country. It’s going to the wrong people . Give heating allowance to people who need it like child benefits, why should people who earn over £60k get child benefits. No wonder the country is in a mess. Benefits should also be stopped to people who can work but choose not to. We can not carry on paying people for nothing. Only the genuine should get it.
Thanjks Jeff.
How can Robber Reeves take £300 away from British pensioners this winter i dont understand how this woman can be so cruel i wonder if King Charles can remove this evil Labour government from power for the sake of British people.😊
We are the only ones that can make her see how we feel.
Every pensioner should write individually yo the chancelor st 11,Downing Street, London, SW1A. 1AA demanding a full explanation, give it two weeks, then write again a reminder and keep writing. Bury the buggers in paper !
Let them know how you feel. If there is a black hole let them fill it with giving up there heating allowance.
The winter fuel payment was introduced by Labour in 1997, so it's relatively a new thing. It was poorly designed with too many people receiving it that didn't need it. I agree removing it with a crude test of pension credit alone is hard on those just above the threshold, but it should not matter to most pensioners. Certainly not those I know and it should not affect anyone that can afford to run a couple of scooters. Hopefully the chancellor will address the threshold issue at the budget, when she will no doubt hit every single sector of the economy and population to fill the enormous gap. I know I expect to feel some pain.
My scooters are already doomed. You had better get ready to sell your car or anything else of value.
And today ofgem announced in October the heating price cap going up 9% and MPs get £3400 heating allowance per year.
Shameful.
They even looking at means testing state pensions
It`s coming
Why should someone who gets £50 k a year private pension also get state pension? Of course it should be means tested.
I applied for pension credit, got turned down, why? I earned 50p per week too much, an absolute disgrace.....
Just terrible.
People voted labour so that they wouldn’t lose their heating allowance. Won’t be long before they lose the free prescriptions as well. Do they not realise the pressure that’s going to put on the nhs.
Seems not.
Yes, and that’s me. What did I work so hard for all my life?
Ditto
Ditto.
I’ve just read that the fuel bills are likely to increase by £149 this year. For 10 million pensioners that’s an increase of £449 now they have taken the fuel allowance. Wicked people.
We voted for them. Black holes be dammed.
My elderly neighbour was complaining about loosing her heating allowance I asked who did you vote for. Labour enough said I walked away with a heavy heart reform all the way.
Only one letter O in losing......
Thanks.
Well said but where they voted in or put in?
So far as I know 50% of the people did not vote.
It will cause damp damage to property's too
Yes
We all need to vote for Reform in any local elections. Get the Labour councillors out which will weaken the Labour Party. It isn’t going to be a quick fix.
A 5 year one I thinking, but at least we can show our displeasure, it always hurts them from the ballot box.
Yes the government and mps. Are sitting all warm and cosy. Ficking sickening this government is. 🤮
Seems for some strange reason they are not axing there heating allowance.
I'm not a pensioner but do feel for those losing this allowance. Can we see more videos on your scooters Al?
Sure will do.
There's no money. Come the budget more money will be taken. Of course much of this has to do with Brexit, which pensioners voted for. The young, who are paying for everything, didn't vote for Brexit.
Correct.
It`s what you got though. A lot of people voted brexit just to get rid of Camron.
@@dereton33 so what? Whatever the motive, the consequence was going to be financial. The young should not have to pay for everything, because there will be no motive to work and therefore no pension, nevermind triple lock or fuel payment. They voted, they need to accept the consequence.
There is a big difference between keeping up a traditional custom by making an inside joke stating "There is no money left" and concealing a 22 billion black hole deficit. The winter fuel allowance had been introduced by a previous Labour HMG as a temporary measure to support poor pensioners. Fortunately, pensioners are better off than previously, and the few exceptions have benefit-tested subsidies.
Thanks for nothing.
They are good at flip flopping. they will soon reverse this disgraceful action.
Humm will see.
There's people living abroad who are getting winter fuel allowance how come?
No idea
Why do the power companies charge senior citizens?They make enough profit without doing that..They care about their shareholders and not the elderly,which fact should be rectified.Humanity calls
Who knows?
We should have all voted Reform Party.
Or none of the above, ha ha.
I did
I am not surprised by what they are doing. I live in Scotland and will always vote SNP, but others here have voted to get rid of the tories. I worked in the voluntary sector most of my career and didn't earn a lot, but loved my job. I have a very small private pension. I am not entitled to pension credit because I have about 30p too much every week. I always depended on my winter fuel payment as it is so much colder here. I would love to live abroad anywhere i Europe but can't afford to. WE need to get rid on the monarchy and the house of lords and then, maybe there will be more money to spread around. Charles just got an extra 46 million. HoL has over 600 people allowed £300 a day just for turning up. Why do we allow it? Democracy at its worst
Life today it seems doreen.
Gawd keep reading papers 😂
Also use the m to keep warm this winter, when your heating is switched off.
@@dereton33 Very good 😅 I might need you for my Combi this winter , i'am only in Torquay
Poor Kier needs to get the money to pay imigrants from somewhere!!
We are easy targets.
Mr Justkinaford is half the country. What’s the point of being careful for retirement. Just go on benefits, pee it up against the wall, have annual holidays, why bother!
Does make you feel like that.