Ezra was a great man and forged a very close relationship with Gormley and the two worked together to forge improvements in the productivity and Ezra produced a strategy outlined in the 'Plan for Coal' in 1974, which provided a boost for investment, research and development, and a Japanese-style collaboration between the industry and its suppliers. This produced impressive benefits for both sides and helped British mining machinery manufacturers to be among the world leaders. He was a champion for British coal and British manufacturing. Such a shame that a good partnership that was had with him and Gormley then changed to that of McGregor and Scargill. Ezra's entire working life was in coal.
Re: once upon a time we had a huge industry > once upon a time IS the start of a fairy tale coal is in INTERNATIONAL decline - the WORLD has moved ON The world IS continuously moving, and it WILL continue 2 MOVE > That IS the future - where the money IS
I live in Scotland. The SNP ( more accurately Sturgeon) is determined to destroy our oil and gas industry today in 2021, just as Thatcher destroyed coal in the 1980s. Once again, we the ordinary people, are forced to suffer while politicians sail off into the sunset. They have seen to it that they are well looked after. Is selfie Nic angling for a UN job, just as Thatcher went to the Lords?
Coal production has been declining in absolute numbers since 1920 in Britain, nothing to do with Tories/Labour and everything to do with international competition.
nonesence OMS rose from nationalisations right through the life of the industry until British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world and was cheaper than even Australian open cast after their transport subsidy. No other country produced coal cheaper than us, although they were allowed to sell it below the cost of production with massive subsidies. British coal had the lowest state subsidy in the world see my book Ghost Dancers, David John Douglass
Your comments aged well..? And what about if the countries we import from turn hostile ? As you have seen with Ukraine it’s the working class people that suffer in the hands of these fools
@daviddouglass5399 If British coal was the cheapest mined coal in the world with the lowest/zero subsidy on it, then that would have made it the most profitable of materials sales wise...So why wasn't this coal heavily marketed for export sales & why didn't the CEGB buy British coal only...?
03:40 "...that we must drop our targets by 10 million tonnes when we're still importing 10 million tonnes into Britain. What sort of a mad lunacy is this?" The problem was that it was cheaper to purchase imported coal than to buy British coal. But the the miners were demanding higher wages that would make them even more uncompetitive. A sensible miners union would have sat down with the government to work out how to make coal profitable again.
@Ru22eLL sadly, large parts of the trade union movement has become the aggressors against the general public. The public turned against them and elected Thatcher to get rid of them.
@@UncleBoratagain No! The daughter of a very wealthy MP, who owned a Green Grocer's shop in a small town called Grantham, back in the 1940s when a shopkeeper was consider a god in a small village - unlike today. Put it in the correct perspective...
agfagaevart no - he was not an MP at all ... he was Alderman of Grantham from 1943 to 1952 and Mayor of Grantham from 1945 to 1946 as a liberal. Perhaps read up on him .... his story gives an insight into why his daughter was so driven. Love her or loath her ..... she worked her way to where she got so you have to respect she didn’t have it handed to her at all.
It's that attitude, on both sides, that destroyed so much of British industry. Instead of working together like they do in Germany, British workers and management fought a class war against eachother, all while our competitors were mopping up the world markets
@@zeddeka It will happen again. But now we don't even have a car industry to strike over...It will be a Tech war, whose jobs can be moved anywhere in the world.
How many union leaders at that time worked for their members? A few. Gormley was one of them. How many worked for themselves? Many Scargill was one. Later proved by his hone for life corruption.
Didn’t turn out so well. If the communist Scargill and the unions hadn’t been playing politics, jobs would still have been lost, but coal could have had a future for a few decades to come! However, coal would stop being used. Environmental needs meant this.
do you honestly believe that? shear propaganda to discredit him. He actually had been a collier and his family worked in the industry. I went to training school with his grandson who was at Parkside. The truth about his successor and his lack of loyalty is finally coming out, Oh yes and they reckoned he was receiving money from Libya. Propaganda to discredit. The real problem was you had a man who had received the best of public school educations and a totally biased presenter walking rings round a genuine man who got most of his education at Bold colliery. The colliery I worked at was on this hit list and closed. What is alluded to at 15 mins in was exactly what was implemented and won the day
@@zeddeka Stop equating a dislike of a dysfunctionally arrogant bureaucratic behemoth with a dislike of foreigners. A large body of those foreigners we aren't supposed to like don't like the EU either. Do give your brain a chance..
@@Lytton333 stop pretending that an industry with a finite product which had been in decline for well over a century had anything in the slightest to do with the EU. Pit closures had been happening since at least the 1800s. You lot are weird. Or probably bots.
A mile deep seam of coal stretching from the Bay of Bisquay...comes up in Wales...then 3000 miles across the Atlantic...to Pensilvania USA! Perhaps the Tories wanted to sell it privately? Mr Archer made lots of money whilst in prison,selling Information on insolvent businesses in the UK.That,s why I have a slanted view of Yuppie Tories
Macgreagor was brought un to close almost every pit in uk scargil knew this and had no choice it had nothing to do with economics and many aspects of a civilised society are un economic at the end of the day the uk is not a private buisness but a society it would have made no difference who was miners president maggy wished to turn the country into a corporate going concern with winners and loosers and the miners and many other people with little or no power lost
But sadly real communities in the Midlands, the North & Wales died with it and weren't replaced with anything tangible. These are the people that voted for Brexit in 2016 because they were still on the scrap heap and then for Boris in 2019, turning a former red wave blue. Amazing how people object when you want to build a wind farm in their back garden.
@@garethbuckeridge6910 well if there are no jobs in town move to another one. There are prople unemplyed in the Czech Republic learning English so they can go find jobs in Canada. If they can do that people here can move from village A to village B.
@@nifralo2752 Easy for young single people to do that, did myself several times in my 20s. Not so easy when you have a family because you need greater stability in your life, and routine if you have children.
Well he didn't lose a strike, and he didn't succeed in dividing the workforce unlike his successor, a man who wouldn't come out on strike when a Welsh or Scottish pit was shut...a man who sued the NUM over his Barbican flat, I mean what sort of 'socialist' is that?
Gormley divided the miners over productivity pay, he let individual areas vote for places like Nottingham it was easy to cut more coal as they had easy access to where they could put big machinery, but in places like South Wales the geology was harder, the coal was a better quality ,but they the could never hit the tonnage they worked harder to get the coal out but earned less, he was advising the Goverment how to defeat the miners a so called socalist he betrayed his own people then had a knighthood
While scargill duped the miners in to a strike, in the summer, with coal stocks and record levels and without a ballot, and the present leader of the socialist party is a Sir.
Ezra was a great man and forged a very close relationship with Gormley and the two worked together to forge improvements in the productivity and Ezra produced a strategy outlined in the 'Plan for Coal' in 1974, which provided a boost for investment, research and development, and a Japanese-style collaboration between the industry and its suppliers. This produced impressive benefits for both sides and helped British mining machinery manufacturers to be among the world leaders. He was a champion for British coal and British manufacturing. Such a shame that a good partnership that was had with him and Gormley then changed to that of McGregor and Scargill. Ezra's entire working life was in coal.
Gornley was in with mi5. Do your home work
Yes once upon a time we had a huge industry, now we have to import everything.
Re: once upon a time we had a huge industry
> once upon a time IS the start of a fairy tale
coal is in INTERNATIONAL decline - the WORLD has moved ON
The world IS continuously moving, and it WILL continue 2 MOVE
> That IS the future - where the money IS
@@martipowell2878 lots of industries only coal will do the job.
I live in Scotland. The SNP ( more accurately Sturgeon) is determined to destroy our oil and gas industry today in 2021, just as Thatcher destroyed coal in the 1980s. Once again, we the ordinary people, are forced to suffer while politicians sail off into the sunset. They have seen to it that they are well looked after. Is selfie Nic angling for a UN job, just as Thatcher went to the Lords?
Yes and look at the mess where in now because they decided to rely on energy from abroad..They wouldn’t be a crisis if we still had coal
HEAR! HEAR!
Agreed
Coal production has been declining in absolute numbers since 1920 in Britain, nothing to do with Tories/Labour and everything to do with international competition.
nonesence OMS rose from nationalisations right through the life of the industry until British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world and was cheaper than even Australian open cast after their transport subsidy. No other country produced coal cheaper than us, although they were allowed to sell it below the cost of production with massive subsidies. British coal had the lowest state subsidy in the world see my book Ghost Dancers, David John Douglass
Your comments aged well..? And what about if the countries we import from turn hostile ? As you have seen with Ukraine it’s the working class people that suffer in the hands of these fools
@daviddouglass5399 If British coal was the cheapest mined coal in the world with the lowest/zero subsidy on it, then that would have made it the most profitable of materials sales wise...So why wasn't this coal heavily marketed for export sales & why didn't the CEGB buy British coal only...?
I am not a Socialist but Joe Gormley was a decent man.
They had different points of view while maintaining respect for each other.
Don’t see that often these days.
03:40 "...that we must drop our targets by 10 million tonnes when we're still importing 10 million tonnes into Britain. What sort of a mad lunacy is this?"
The problem was that it was cheaper to purchase imported coal than to buy British coal. But the the miners were demanding higher wages that would make them even more uncompetitive. A sensible miners union would have sat down with the government to work out how to make coal profitable again.
A sensible miner's union is a contradiction in terms
Its people like this that has given us Jeremy Corbyn
You say that like Ian MacGregor was ready to sit down and work things out with the miners. He wasn't.
@Ru22eLL If by "leadership" you mean Scargill, he knew that Thatcher wanted to crush the unions, regardless.
@Ru22eLL sadly, large parts of the trade union movement has become the aggressors against the general public. The public turned against them and elected Thatcher to get rid of them.
It’s never been any different it’s always been us and them
Michael Parker Not at all, the daughter of a fruit and veg shop owner became Prime Minister, from a state education.
@@UncleBoratagain No! The daughter of a very wealthy MP, who owned a Green Grocer's shop in a small town called Grantham, back in the 1940s when a shopkeeper was consider a god in a small village - unlike today. Put it in the correct perspective...
agfagaevart no - he was not an MP at all ... he was Alderman of Grantham from 1943 to 1952 and Mayor of Grantham from 1945 to 1946 as a liberal. Perhaps read up on him .... his story gives an insight into why his daughter was so driven. Love her or loath her ..... she worked her way to where she got so you have to respect she didn’t have it handed to her at all.
It's that attitude, on both sides, that destroyed so much of British industry. Instead of working together like they do in Germany, British workers and management fought a class war against eachother, all while our competitors were mopping up the world markets
@@zeddeka It will happen again. But now we don't even have a car industry to strike over...It will be a Tech war, whose jobs can be moved anywhere in the world.
6.50 - what would they make of the mess we are in now.
Did you know that Gormley was working for the government? Because how many Union leaders get Honours.
You must be joking...Sir Paul Kenny , Baron Vic Feather, Baron Bill Morris, etc etc.
How many union leaders at that time worked for their members? A few. Gormley was one of them. How many worked for themselves? Many Scargill was one. Later proved by his hone for life corruption.
Comb overs - everywhere!
mjprice And....?
🦆sir Derek,we ain't paying our Taxes......the money is ours....2024
Didn’t turn out so well. If the communist Scargill and the unions hadn’t been playing politics, jobs would still have been lost, but coal could have had a future for a few decades to come! However, coal would stop being used. Environmental needs meant this.
Germany and the United States had already surpassed the UK by 1890.
Well the miners got it very wrong didn’t they, underestimating mrs thatcher
Fantastic hairstyles
I voted Tory in the last election and hate Labour. But those great men, the coal miners, made Britain great.
With respect, what's that got to do with anything? This all happened almost half a century ago.
Burning coal still are we? So it was inevitable
@@zeddeka Labour used to be a conservative patriotic party.
I remember tv eyes on Thursday night
Who’s here after the end of coal in the uk?
Very tru
he was mi5 inside man !!!
do you honestly believe that? shear propaganda to discredit him. He actually had been a collier and his family worked in the industry. I went to training school with his grandson who was at Parkside. The truth about his successor and his lack of loyalty is finally coming out, Oh yes and they reckoned he was receiving money from Libya. Propaganda to discredit. The real problem was you had a man who had received the best of public school educations and a totally biased presenter walking rings round a genuine man who got most of his education at Bold colliery. The colliery I worked at was on this hit list and closed. What is alluded to at 15 mins in was exactly what was implemented and won the day
probably the unions colluded with thatcher commies all round they all are at the top
Gormley the traitor was passing mass picket information to the intelligence services and was rewarded with a knighthood....
@@cliveseal1557 Gormley?
Gormley was a special branch informant - there is no real doubt about that.
Against those working for Russia, Yes. Just like Healey. Thank God they both did or we’d have been Putin’s puppets to abuse.
Oh course what nobody is discussing is its EU policy which mostly caused this situation...
Sounds like a brainwashed BrexiTraitor argument to me but no doubt the Quitters will fall for it. The fact is that there was no EU when this was made.
Oh really? And what would that be?
The coal mining industry had been in massive decline long before we went anywhere near joining the common market. Stop spreading your xenophobia
@@zeddeka Stop equating a dislike of a dysfunctionally arrogant bureaucratic behemoth with a dislike of foreigners. A large body of those foreigners we aren't supposed to like don't like the EU either.
Do give your brain a chance..
@@Lytton333 stop pretending that an industry with a finite product which had been in decline for well over a century had anything in the slightest to do with the EU. Pit closures had been happening since at least the 1800s. You lot are weird. Or probably bots.
Coal production has been declining since 1920 in absolute numbers, all to do with international competition and little to do with Tories and Labour.
The Yuppie Tories must,ve made a fortune!
And Britain became more prosperous than any time in its history as a result.
@@robdewey317 don't think we had food banks back then...... the lower classes are basking in that prosperity.
@@terrancedactielle5460 they did you donut, charity is one of the oldest industries ever
A mile deep seam of coal stretching from the Bay of Bisquay...comes up in Wales...then 3000 miles across the Atlantic...to Pensilvania USA! Perhaps the Tories wanted to sell it privately? Mr Archer made lots of money whilst in prison,selling Information on insolvent businesses in the UK.That,s why I have a slanted view of Yuppie Tories
How expensive would it be to get out? Come on mate. Get real.
Nah, that's an Internet myth. There is no seam that goes that far.
The beginning of the end of Britain
???? Britain has been in decline long, long before then
42 fkin years .
Whats changed?
Yeah she never new what was coming alright! Election win. Election win after election campaign victorious two finger salutes.😉
Stupid miners. They couldn’t see the real enemy was Scargill.
Macgreagor was brought un to close almost every pit in uk scargil knew this and had no choice it had nothing to do with economics and many aspects of a civilised society are un economic at the end of the day the uk is not a private buisness but a society it would have made no difference who was miners president maggy wished to turn the country into a corporate going concern with winners and loosers and the miners and many other people with little or no power lost
Fuck off scab.
@@bazrobb6242 😘
@@bazrobb6242 another democracy denier.
They stood up to fight, only to be rendered jobless for decades lol
best thing ever, shut the horrendous pits and get rid of the stinking coal, im so happy this industry died!
But sadly real communities in the Midlands, the North & Wales died with it and weren't replaced with anything tangible. These are the people that voted for Brexit in 2016 because they were still on the scrap heap and then for Boris in 2019, turning a former red wave blue. Amazing how people object when you want to build a wind farm in their back garden.
@@garethbuckeridge6910 well if there are no jobs in town move to another one. There are prople unemplyed in the Czech Republic learning English so they can go find jobs in Canada. If they can do that people here can move from village A to village B.
@@nifralo2752 Easy for young single people to do that, did myself several times in my 20s. Not so easy when you have a family because you need greater stability in your life, and routine if you have children.
@@nifralo2752 Great point!
Gormley sold the miners out, he turned government spy then the Tories made him a lord
Well he didn't lose a strike, and he didn't succeed in dividing the workforce unlike his successor, a man who wouldn't come out on strike when a Welsh or Scottish pit was shut...a man who sued the NUM over his Barbican flat, I mean what sort of 'socialist' is that?
Gormley fought for the miners unlike Scargill who fought for himself
Gormley divided the miners over productivity pay, he let individual areas vote for places like Nottingham it was easy to cut more coal as they had easy access to where they could put big machinery, but in places like South Wales the geology was harder, the coal was a better quality ,but they the could never hit the tonnage they worked harder to get the coal out but earned less, he was advising the Goverment how to defeat the miners a so called socalist he betrayed his own people then had a knighthood
@@willandelfie Think you are inventing your own version of the truth…
@@chrisp4170 Nope its fact
Gormley sold the miners out and then he was made Lord Gormley shame on him
While scargill duped the miners in to a strike, in the summer, with coal stocks and record levels and without a ballot, and the present leader of the socialist party is a Sir.
Broke all the union's steel, coal and print. No problem.😉 Tory boy.
The interviewer is Bryan Gould, former and future Labour MP
It's Llew Gardner.
No it's not.
@@zeddeka The interviewer in the studio with Ezra and Gormley is definitely not Bryan Gould
There hair styles are awful
Vicky lou British comb at its best
They're old tbf
There old, surely, lol.
Broke all the union's steel, coal and print. No problem.😉 Tory boy.
JCBAirmaster73 awwww big baby