Small fun fact, the German navy had done the same. During an exercise with a US fleet, the German diesel submarine U-24 of the 206 class was only assigned a scouting role. The captain of the submarine felt insulted and thought that the americans would underestimate the capabilities of a diesel submarine, and decided to cross the "insurmountable" defense ring of the escort ships, fired a simulated torpedo fan at the carrier USS Enterprise, made a photo of the Enterprise through the scope and emerged right next to the Enterprise. Imagine how embarrassing it must have been to the captain of the Enterprise to have explained this to his superiors.
The carrier captain would have been fine. The captains commanding his ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) screen, though, would have had some explaining to do.
I used 5 mins of thinking why that was not a "good" Idea. then I lisened once more and heard "sound". I deadass have never heard a so dry joke in naval warfare
its also to make US sailors jealous that UK and French sailors can get hammered while the ship is underway. there was a incident in one of these games back in 09 where in a drunken brawl started on a British carrier that caused some pretty expensive damage. as punishment they were not allowed to drink for a month on board said ship. The joke was that the punishment was that Her Majesty leased the ship to he US for a month. Dark days indeed.
That's the right spirit 👍 Although it has to be said that they didn't really find a weakness in their military since pretty much every European sub is apparently quite capable of running circles around the US navy so that's just another one on the list. And I'm not only talking about modern Swedish and German non nuclear subs, that list also includes an older French nuclear subs and the first cases of the US loosing against other countries subs in wargames go back to at least 1981. I think the more interesting question is how well other navies can deal with those subs and if it is an US specific or a general problem
Elijah Robbins Imagine the psychological blow to the a country like the US if a war breaks out and lucky sneaky kilo sinks a supercarrrier? It just dawned on me how vulnerable assets carriers are! If I were secretary of the US Navy I would heavily invest in ASW capabilities to counter it
Novo Eduardo AC wat? you cant just throw the navy away because of that sub ! and after that carrier would be sunked the sub would be dead anyway YOU CANNOT HIT 1 TORPEDO AND 2 AND 3 AND NOT DIE
Obviously Sweden can, since that is exactly what this Gotland-sub did. It premfomed multiple attack runs and then dissapered, without ever being detected by the US navy protecting the carrier.
@@Pansarglas while true um the us has 16 super carriers and if this happens Sweden would be dead as this would be war and the swedish military has no chance if it happened today that is byt it wouldn't
Surface ships are only really good at projecting strength and in cases like the carrier, to provide support around the globe. Subs are made to be hunter killers.
Yeah, that's why carriers nowadays are surrounded by destroyers to screen for any submarines. And really, in order to sink a carrier you have to find it first. Good luck doing that in miles and miles of open ocean. Not even carriers with their scout planes were able to efficiently do that.
In fact, you could even google where the US carriers are. worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-naval-update-map-may-30-2019 It's impossible to hide a task force of that size and the US doesn't even try because that's not the objective. Carriers are not supposed to be stealthy, there are supposed to be mobile airbases with more firepower than some countries combined. They are supposed to be "invincible" without dependence on stealth, hence why it's worrisome for them to have a sub virtually manage torpedo shots. Make no mistake, one of the best weapons on earth is a US carrier not too many things can compare.
@@anonypersona3189 Keep in mind that the incident happened 14 years ago. USN has shifted doctrine ever so slightly in the intervening time to accommodate this. Specifically, the Virginia class attack submarine. It is explicitly designed to find and intercept other submarines, in addition to hunting down surface vessels. Obviously, operational deployment parameters are going to be classified, but I'd be shocked if every carrier group didn't have at least one or two looking after them beneath the waves by now.
See also: Saab aircraft. They've done some really clever stuff with systems integration to massively lower the forecast upgrade costs, while still being competitive. The Swedes punch well above their weight
Lets not forget that one anti air gun m247 Sergeant York. It had a radar system to track helicopers. Well when it was shown off, it aimed at the public observing it as a potential threat. Result; stories were made that robots will kill humans!
Astuteous Maximus your hit zone stuff is irrelevant as the submarine went out to attack the ships. And the only traget the sub would be able to give is the moment of releasing torps, do you know how long it takes to do so? Seconds. How long do the ships need to get to combat station? Longer. And BTW detection won’t work like you explained because of the fucking fleet above.
@Patriot Game Player ight slow your role. Your being hyperbolic. Just because you seen dumb kids doesn't it's the same for all. Same for high-school only things kids had to worry about was drug abuse. Mass shootings aren't ripping through every high school in the U.S
Its...good actually. Upgraded diesel tech defeat nuclear tech. Then the US will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the Swedes. Later the Swedes or someone else will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the upgraded US ships. Thats how, I think, European nations advances itself through the medieval ages faster than the Middle East n the East, through military conflict n competition without destroying themselves. Furthermore, competition in stable n peaceful (relatively speaking) environment will, hopefully, further advance various discovery. Hopefully, these discoveries will reach civilian level and thus make the overall technology enjoyed by the population increase.
While the Stirling engine you concentrate on is remarkable, there are other things that added to the stealth - the propellers, the silent compressors for the exhaust pressure tanks, the hydrodynamic shape of the sub, and others.
I’ve been in one Gotland class and seen the motor. As a tall guy I can say that the room for me was more than good. They have the motor underneath protection plates so people can’t just enter and take pictures. We were lucky, they were doing maintenance so the hatches were not mounted and we could see this beautiful motor
So unfortunately true. We dump trillions into ships which can still be taken out with weapons costing only thousands. Have you noticed that Russia has almost no carrier force and few large warships? It's because they know that in a major conflict all the warships at sea will be immediately sunk on both sides. No point in wasting your money like that. One guided missile frigate of today can do what every battleship ever built put together cannot do. One day we'll learn what the UK did with the Hood: big warships are just expensive showpieces that can't win wars for you, and they all can be sunk.
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
@@youarepredictable what's even the point of a military exercise if you don't even simulate an actual fight; by your account anyway. Wasting taxpayer dollars?
The trick is that the whole sub can be dismantled and divided into flat packages with an L-wrench. Impossible to trace under attack, and they can then assemble it anywhere in the world in just minutes. The problem is that there will always be one missing bolt in every package that can only be found in the nearest IKEA store............ But as long they have access to IKEA spare parts they Swedish submarines are deadly.....
That was really good, I started off speed reading your post, and had to back track. I knew I missed something, when I slowed down the 2nd time I really Laugh-Out-Loud. "Those Swedes sure know how to put in almost everything you need" Philip J. Fry
It's only cheap because it requires you to build the whole thing, and at the end you find several leftover pieces that make you forever worried it's going to fall apart. The Swedish love doing this to people.
It's a weird joke to make. Ikea furniture is designed to be trivial to put together such that any moron could do it. This doesn't make sense in the context of a submarine.
@seigeengine: IKEA flatpack is usually cheaper than a pre-assembled equivalent partially because it's so simple to put together that that work can be foisted on the consumer.
seigeengine not nessesarily the Swedish army like this idea of cheap and easy to build and repair equipment. you see it with the Saab fighters they are made in such a way thay can be,taken apart and repaired with stuff you find in a hardware store.( or at least as mutch as possible) this is due to the positioning of Sweden and the lessens learned in the finish Russian war. Sweden do expect to be attacked by a far stronger enemy and having to fight a gorilla war.
When I was in the Navy during the Cuban missile Crisis in a NATO exercise , The Skipjack which was one of the first if not the first nuclear sub., sank every single ship in the US 6th fleet. I was a watch section leader in CIC and listened on a radio speaker. Bumper this is Skipjack, you've just been sunk. It sunk three aircraft carriers too. The Roosevelt, The Saratoga and The Forrestal.
Yeah the field exercise was literally conducted without access to active sonar systems, I have no clue why real engineering did not mention this as while subs do not use sonar to avoid detection, carrier strike groups absolutely do. The US military as a whole tends to stack to deck in the other team's favor in war games to find vulnerabilities that would not necessarily fully exist in a maritime war scenario but, could if say sonar was down by some miracle on give or take 30 ships
I remember when I was in the Navy (my ships job was anti sub warfare, we tracked subs) and one morning I was just killing time looking out at the water passing by, when a suddenly a periscope popped up. Hilarious. I think we failed that day.
Well not every military personnel is a hero then. Every military guy/girl has the audacity to tell every civilian that they fight for our freedom. I tell them they don't fight they do it for a paycheck. Of course there are those real heroes.
+Jason Bone Dutch subs used to do that with Russian ships during the Cold War. The subs were known to be one fo the most silent of the western world and they used to pop out the periscope mere metres next to Soviet warships to spy on them. Subs are pretty damn sneaky if operated right
The answer is that the Stirling engine cylinders work opposite each other and the vibrations are cancelled out. Totally. You can put a coin on the side on top of it and it will not fall over. That is why it is so silent.
@@rrs_13 no, theres tiny swedish submarines built inside the headphones. if you listen closely you can hear their crews drink met and sing viking songs.
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
@@murphy7801 thanks...accuracy in all matters and the facts DO make me feel better. Wish you felt the same.....along with SO many others here that have zero knowledge or experience.in this subject. You know....people like YOU. But like most people on here, that won't stop you from offering your half baked bullshit opinions based on less than zero knowledge. You know this to be true, but it hurts to acknowledge, so I'm sure you'll be back with a "yeah...but...." sigh.....
Having been in the Navy and having as part of my job the determination of sound propagation, I find this totally believable. Diesel-electric subs, especially in shallow water (less than 600 fathoms) are virtually undetectable when on battery. Even nuke attack subs are very difficult to detect. There was one occasion on the carrier that I was stationed on that the first indication one was around was the periscope a quarter mile away. The biggest problem with a carrier vs. sub is that the planes make so much noise that it screws up the passive sonar for miles around while at the same time providing a big "here I am" to the submarine.
How does the Navy evaluate the Carriers in war simulation? Do they think they are their strongest weapons or do they consider them to be too vulnerable and inefficient?
When it comes to a near-equal, I don't know. (I'm retired Navy and my job was weather forecasting, not strategy) An equal or near-equal could launch cruise missiles from either surface ships or submarines from over the horizon. If launched from a submarine, your first clue that it is on the way is when your radar picks it up incoming and you cross your fingers that your CIWS (Close in Weapons System) which shoots 3,000 depleted (non-radioactive) uranium slugs per minute, can shred it. Against other carriers and surface ships, it is back to WWII, who has the best tacticians, pilots, equipment, and crew will win. The thing about carriers is that they can project force an insane distance. When I was in the Navy, before the Shah of Iran was overthrown, we had some war games with the Iranians. When we were about a thousand miles from Iran we launched our planes, which had a range of only 800 miles. We cheated, we sent tankers out to refuel them so they could reach their targets, and then refueled them again on the way back. They never found us. They were looking for us within the range of the aircraft and we weren't there. I suppose that tactics like that are those which would minimize the usefulness of a diesel-electric sub. You just make sure you are where they won't think of looking. Which in the case mentioned in the video sounds like wasn't done.
Really interesting information. Indeed if the Carriers are already found by the enemy, they are pretty much sitting ducks and I think there are few things you can do to protect them. I am interested in and read a little bit about warfare on the sea and ever since the era of WW2, it seems to be mostly a game of hide and seek. I guess it doesn't change much after all these years.
I heard somewhere that the Russians have fake fishing trawlers parked outside our sub bases and whenever a sub goes in for a refit and to get a more modern 'screw' the Russians wait for it to leave and try to pick up on the new signature. I am sure we do the same thing as well.
An Australian Collins class sub did something similar during exercises around the Hawaiian Islands. The Collins class coincidentally was a Swedish design.
yes and in that exercise the Americans even cheated and still 'lost.' Their ships and an Australian sub were supposed to play a game of 'cat and mouse' as it were and the Americans were supposed to turn off their sonar systems for a while to let the Australian submarine disappear, but they didn't. Rankin (the Aussie sub) still managed to evade them, disappear and then took photographs of their destroyer within torpedo range, undetected.
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise. On an especially personal note, I was in the Hawaiian ops area and took part in these exercises and all the same stuff applies. Sorry.
@@youarepredictable bullshit , every one is fallible , including the US navy and it is not the first time that a US carrier was taken out in war games by a inferior rated force. The kiwis took out the Midway in 81 in operation sand groper 81 off Western Australia and 420 sailors went hammer and tong at each other over the incident. ,in Pinocchio's disco in Perth and wrecked the place 112 taxis were called , i know , because i was there.
You sir are an expert! Why do we need military generals and military strategists when we can easily gather valuable battle plans from armchair warrior RUclips comments like yours? But hey what do I know? Silly generals.
If you genuinely think the US military hasn't already figured out countermeasures or alternatives of some sort to these technologies that are heavily classified and will only be revealed 20 years down the road, you're out of your mind.
So what does all this logic have to do with the shown video?! For what I have seen it was about a sub taking out a aircraft carrier during an exercise.
Firstly Finland Sweden is better than Russia and US, Finland created the molotov, and we they also won again Russia. And no we did not go from viking to marine, and björn does not simply mean bear, it does but it also is a name, just as björk, not as some calls it bjork, it means birch, like birch tree.
Thankyou to our friends in Sweden for teaching us about our vulnerabilities and helping us get that vulnerability worked out. Together we are stronger.
EpicHunter117 Gaming True. In terms of raw amount of units, the U.S. isn't the largest. Hell, even throughout history, there were far larger militaries like Czarist Russia during The Great War with 5 million (though many of them weren't actually armed due to lack of rifles). That being said, it's still by far the most powerful.
As that was answered within a minte of the video, this could count as anti-clickbait. The answer is given quickly, and you can choose to stay for the additional information.
The Australian Navy also 'sunk' a US carrier during Rimpac exercises off Hawaii with HMAS Rankin, a diesel/electric Colins class sub, which is an Aussie built enlarged Swedish Västergötland class sub.
They did not sink a carrier they succeeded in the game that was being played. Too many people are far too naive when it comes to all of this. A single sub carrying out a sneak attack cannot sink a carrier that easily. The moment the sub fires it gives its position away and the ocean would become saturated with anti submarine warfare measures. The Germans had 1200 submarines active in WW2 and not even they could take out the US navy.
@bighands69 Of course they didn't really sink it, how stupid do you think I am? But a 6 round spread of Mk48 Adcaps would obliterate a carrier. If it's made of metal I assure you it can sink.
@Kekistan Shitlord how about that Sweden has 2nd best internet connection, one of the best commute and traffic system, one of the countries with least environmental issues compared to population and size, one of the smallest countries that has influenced the entire world with big companies such as IKEA, Volvo, Scania, ABB.
Americans love food, The American Naval systems misidentified that submarine as a *Swedish Meatball Sub* and let it in This allowed the Swedish submarine to bypass American defenses like a coronary artery
China: Hey, look guys, we made a mach 10 rocket, just like you guys did 50 years ago. Now we too can render all your ships obsolete. Wait, what's the argument about again?
Dutch submarine: Let's "sink" just half of the US carrier battle-group while we make our exit, we don't want to make them to embarrassed by destroying the whole fleet, it's an exercise after all.
I've known about the Stirling engine for a decade now and your animation finally cleared it for me how it works. The heat exchanger was missing from my mental blueprint
1:23 "... the submarine will send out a sound pulse called a 'ping' and listen for the reflections. But in warfare this isn't a sound strategy ..." I almost threw my phone out the window.
Same thing was done by the Australian navy decades ago. Diesel subs are always quieter than nuclear subs. That's why a US carrier fleet need to be so vigilant and includes so many layers of defense nowadays
I thought the sub achieved what it did because of two things: it knew the route the carrier group was taking and so could position in advance, and it just parked there, not moving. IRL it wouldn't be able to do this because an enemy wouldn't be privy to the fleet's movements. If they were, it would be a SIGINT win, not a win for the sub. Seems like this was blown out of proportion to me
@@berengerchristy6256 It probably knew the general area the carrier group were in, just like in a real scenario. Otherwise the sub wouldnt have been seen as such a large threat, the US leased it and it's crew for 2 years after all.
@@berengerchristy6256 A carrier group isn't really what you'd call inconspicuous, it's kinda hard to miss and projecting where it's going isn't really hard either since it takes a long time to change course, so all you need is a small boat or plane to spot it. Of course the opponent wouldn't be privvy to the plans but the route isn't that hard to find out.
One of the main problems with Stirling engines is that the cold side needs to be as cold as possible to increase the temperature difference and that places a huge demand on cooling. However, at sea you have a wonderful and limitless supply of generally cool or cold water, the sea itself, to insure the highest possible delta-T. The major problem with Stirlings' on subs is compressing the exhaust.
@@terrencethompson5329 The heat source is external and can be a flame, concentrated heat from the Sun, or any other source of heat difference. The working fluid INSIDE the engine stay inside, all but a small part that inevitably escapes when the working fluid is hydrogen or helium. An ideal setup would have a high temperature source at just below the limits of the engine to handle that temp and then to have the cold side as close as practical to absolute zero. The Carnot Cycle plainly states the importance of Th and Tc with the the efficiency equal to the quantity equal to n = 1 - Tc/Th. If Tc can be made very small and Th very large then the efficiency can get close to 1 or 100%. But, in practice the high temp is limited by the materials we have so that value is lower than we'd like. And getting cooling to cool the cold side is a real problem as it's hard to cool an engine below about 100C but 100C is actually 373K. So if you can make the Th around 1000C or 1273K, and you can cool the cold side down to, say 20C or about 300K, then the efficiency can never exceed n = 1 - Tc/Th or 1 - 300/1273 = 76%. But, as I said, those values are not practical and there are other losses as well.
Former submariner here... the diesel boat would easily get picked up by the MAD on a P-3 and promptly sunked if this wasn't a war game. War games typically enforce rules that make it very unfair for one side.... because its just a game.
Usa: we use nuclear subs to conduct silent long term warfare where we wouldnt ever have to refuel, allowing us to operate for years without refueling Sweeds: hue hue hue 18th century engine Also before you give me shit, i know diesal was invented in the 20th century but im making a joke about the engines basic concept that dates back years ago
@@MrLkong92 in Sweden its the 18 century because you know its the 1800, but you know cultural difference's and language but bla bla doesnt matter we can still get along
Doubtful. The US carriers have no organic antisub or sonar capability. They rely 100% on their picket ships. They could drop sonobuoys from their Hoovers but that capability has been diminished severely over the years. If anybody had egg on their faces it was the commander of the cruiser/destroyer group and not the captain of the RR. In reality, a number of torpedo strikes are not going to sink a carrier. It's too big, too compartmentalized and there are multiple redundancies for every control and combat system. All of the ship's crew are drilled endlessly on damage control and all of the materials needed are prepositioned all over the ship. A large blast underneath the keel (think megatons) would create an air pocket and the weight of the ship would crack the keel in half. That could sink one. (This is what was taught to me in the three years I served as an officer aboard one.)
Heh...nevermind back in the late 90's a Canadian diesel-electric sub, an old Oberon-class, did much the same thing. Snuck right into the middle of the American formation, surfaced next to the carrier, made fun of them, raised the flag, lowered the flag, and then hid underneath the carrier until the yankees stopped being mad lol.
@@julesonautofconscriptedhub7327 indeed, the Germans did it at least twice. In the 80ies with a conventional diesel sub, and again lately with one of their very stealthy fuel cell driven U-boats. If it happens so often, US-Navy carrier groups should work on their submarines defense.
Ah, the so-old-its-actually-awesome effect. Kinda like the Swordfish torpedo bombers (which were so outdated that AAA shells didn't detect when they hit them).
@per aspera ad astra ¿ ``Being big makes it so you can survive many more mistakes ... until you get smart.`` sadly that does not apply to the general public of america...
@@Grogzter man, people like you can't take jokes. Obviously, there would be consequences for America on dropping MOABs on other countries. I was thinking more on, how should I say, a country that came to conflict beforehand, kind of like how Japan bombed Pearl harbor. The nuclear weapons used on Japan worked, therefore nuclear weapons like the B-83 would do much, much more damage. The EU wouldn't be able to do much about America devastating another country because THAT country came to conflict first. Also, I said America vs. another country, not an EU country. Do you think every country is in the EU? That's what I thought dumbass. Also, America did drop a MOAB on Afghanistan; on an ISIS cave system. Sometimes you just have to mind your own business and keep your bullshitting mouth shut. In Vietnam, America interfered with the war because they were scared of a domino effect happening. They pulled away because the Vietnamese used the jungle against them.
@@thegulag1240 that's the attitude the Germans had in WWII, they thought they could bomb London into oblivience, they did make quite a mess but didn't do any severe damage.
American Captain: Hey guys, look! A whale! Crew: WOW! Submarine: *Launches torpedo that looks like a whale calf* Captain: awww it’s has a baby as well *BOOM*
WHY YOU CAME Not just you but others with alleged professional credentials probably said it couldn’t be done either...now look at what we got! Trust in yourself.
Another advantage of a diesel-electric sub with air independent propulsion (AIP) is that it can turn off its powerplant and rest on the sea floor (in relatively shallow water) making almost no noise not registering as a moving vehicle.
If the carrier fleet knows that the submarine is in the area they will find it. In a time of real war the carrier group would saturate the area with anti submarine measures.
@@bighands69 Partly the reson that they desided to lease the sub was, they could not find it, the gotland class dureing excorsises in the Medeteranian, avoided detection for days, and WAS NOT found by for example by resting on the sea floor, whit several Nato Navies seartching whit Activ sonar.
Don't worry, the French submarine Saphir managed to wipe out half a carrier group, before it ran out of torpedoes and weapons to sink the remaining half. The Swedes can't compete with that result. The German built submarine from the Argentinians didn't sink the British carrier during the Falkland war due to steering cables being mixed up, the torpedo ran away. Else, the British admiral admitted, the whole Falkland campaign would have been cancelled, as the Harriers from both carriers were crucial for success.
Capitan of the ship- Aahhhhh admiral we have been sunk Admiral- What how? Captain of the ship- well is appears that we’ve been hit and sunk about 15 times by a cheep Swedish sub, oh and also the rest of the fleet has been as well Admiral- so you are telling me that we have been sunk 15 times by a Swedish submarine that’s cheaper than Chinese plastic! Captain of the ship- yes sir Admiral- well trumps gonna be pissed
Daan, where is the Dutch submarine then? Baseless patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Grow up. I don't care for countries, its a matter of technology, which, btw. the Netherlands actually do not possess.
Daan Made in Holland 3 french firms in top 20 defense industry... one has it's financial headquarters in Holland and France (as a brunch of European countries) buys some ballistics from the deutch but that's about it. Deutchland ranks around 38/40 in most global rankings France constantly reaches the top 5. Also... Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert hahaha
Daan Made in Holland "your poor I'm Jewish" ; "google this google that" ; "take a walk in wala ghetho Paris" man I hope you look better than you argue! You sound like forest gump has fucking Tourette haha!
Yeah, WW2 submarines were rather submersible torpedo boats than proper submarines as they operated 95% of the time on the surface. Modern day conventional or nuclear powered attack submarines are something completely different.
Adamast U-Boats are submersible toroedo boats not submarines. And they relied on being a periscope depth to attack, where they could be seen by the naked eye.
Paradoxical Nightmare. It's not a submarine's job to find other subs. They will be sneaking around enemy controlled waters trying to find and sink enemy ships. Anti-submarine role is left to aircrafts and destroyers.
Speaking as an ex-submariner, I would always back the submarine to get through to the carrier. No surface ship travelling at the speeds required for launching /recovering aircraft with catapults and arrester gear can use a sonar effectively and the escorts must travel at the same speed. I am not even sure that they man the sonars during flying stations. The physics of the water also gives the submarine other advantages. Gotland is certainly a very quiet design and your explanation of the Stirling engine was very clear.
I doubt the CVN has organic sonar, but you can bet each of the DDGs in the strike group is monitoring sonar at all times. Plus the strike groups travel with at least one SSN. And ideally, Intel already knows what potentially hostile subs could be in the area before the strike group is supposed to be there. That doesn't mean a sub can't surprise them like the Chinese have done, but it helps.
Its atcually invincible no navy could conventionaly defeat it the carriers lost can be replaced in months and the sheer number of the US navy ships and advanced system they use is hard to defeat
A Dutch submarine did this even better in 1999 with sinking the Theodore Roosevelt and a few other ships. During this exercise the Walrus penetrates the U.S. screen and sinks many ships, including the U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71. The submarine launches two attacks and manages to sneak away. To celebrate the sinking the crew designed a special T- shirt. Fittingly, the T-shirt depicted the USS Theodore Roosevelt impaled on the tusks of a walrus. It was also reported that the Walrus also sank many of the Roosevelt's escorts, including the nuclear submarine USS Boise, a cruiser, several destroyers and frigates, plus the command ship USS Mount Whitney. The Walrus herself survived the exercise with no damage.
Yeah, so... Don't screw with us when it comes to water. There's this myth that we can will away water by just being near it and wanting it away. ... That's a lie, _we gave water PTSD._
5:30 "these instruments" shows a photo of SOKS, designed to detect wakes (density variations) left by submarines. There was a report that they had a device (not the SOKS shown) that was able to detect trace amounts of radionucleotides "left behind in the path of a nuclear submarine" (but can't be differentiated by those in normal seawater) and that they were supposedly able to detect and track several of their own ships, and they claimed to have used it to track one of our submarines, but experts are skeptical - there are other techniques the Russian subs were employing at the time, and it is likely one of those other techniques was what worked to enable them to track our submarine.
Off the top of my hizead I'm figuring it's just a mass that's used to dampen temperature change. Hot air flows one way, and it warms up the "battery", cold air flows back the other way and it absorbs the heat from the "battery."
Stupid... I'm not sure whether you're actually this stupid or just acting stupid, well acting stupid is kind of stupid in itself so let's just say you're stupid, Stupid.
[FuriousBoltyx] This is why we have war games with our allies. To make sure all our weapons, doctrine and tactics are all up to date. By sinking the carrier, the Swedes did everyone a favor. They practiced how to effectively use their new weapons and showed the Americans flaws in their doctrines and tactics. We learn more from failure than victory and I would much rather have failure in practice to avoid failure in the battlefield.
+Jim Nicholas US supercarriers are still not secure from European subs, so you still have much to learn then. Latest was France in 2015-16 wargames, sank US supercarrier and a few escorts with it. One sub again. And between the French and Swedes I think the British did it too.
@Chris Miller Aircraft carriers are expensieve sitting ducks and exercise or not our western subs will destroy your carriers. The time that the US Navy was untochable is over.
Ahmed Tupajic yeah but maybe a single or a few battles a full on war tho would be a loss for that nation. Congrats nations can pull Carthage type shi don’t mean Rome didn’t ultimately win 😂
Chris Miller bruh as an American, thinking America is always the best is toxic, if they were would N. Korea be in existence? Would China be a threat? Would a trade war have any effect? Should America have entered WW2 if they would have destroyed them later anyway? Why would we need allies? Thinking that the exercises are to make others look better is stupid, the most important thing from your “America is best” view would be having a good image. That would tarnish it.
Great.. That is called keeping all eggs in one basket and it means, that whole group can be roasted by one single 500kton torpedo or something like P700 missile :)
Nik Chd I love how americans are so proud about their military whilst being almost 600 billion dollars in debt and it‘s expected to rise to almost 800 billions until 2020. Everyone can spend money he doesn‘t have on his military.
And the great thing is that the whole submarine comes in a flat pack and can be put together with a single Allen key!
Robert Muller Which we also include in the package.
LOLLLL good one
#KSP
Easier than furniture from IKEA
Dr. Crentist I'm from Sweden. We are born with the ability to build IKEA furniture in our sleep.
"in warfare this isn't a sound strategy"
Well technically, as it's sonar, it is.
wish i could like this twice.
Took me a minute.
Imagine the word "sound" in Dan's comment being italicized. Brilliant.
@@Tirocoa Same here...
it ultrasounds good.
And the sonar tech heard faint sounds of Abba playing over his headphones.
Nice
I guess they heard the faint sounds of Sabaton "Primo Victoria"
He was dancing to it instead of reporting it
Han vet vår hemlighet
Fan
Yup waterloo playing just before torpidos were launched
Small fun fact, the German navy had done the same. During an exercise with a US fleet, the German diesel submarine U-24 of the 206 class was only assigned a scouting role. The captain of the submarine felt insulted and thought that the americans would underestimate the capabilities of a diesel submarine, and decided to cross the "insurmountable" defense ring of the escort ships, fired a simulated torpedo fan at the carrier USS Enterprise, made a photo of the Enterprise through the scope and emerged right next to the Enterprise. Imagine how embarrassing it must have been to the captain of the Enterprise to have explained this to his superiors.
Captains log..we..have...been.....sunk
Well, we Germans got a long tradition of annoying the US with submarines
Questions of the day do depth charges still work on modern subs ??
The carrier captain would have been fine. The captains commanding his ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) screen, though, would have had some explaining to do.
@@kettch777 You can't really blame him for that, modern German diesel submarines are well known to be extremely difficult to track down anyway.
"I'm about to end this man's whole carrier"
Ha I get the joke
SpaceKraken underrated comment
nice.
Haha, an original twist on a joke which can't pull the pastry off a pie. Well done.
Ha!
1:28 "in warfare, this isn't a sound strategy."
I see what you did there..
Lol
I used 5 mins of thinking why that was not a "good" Idea. then I lisened once more and heard "sound". I deadass have never heard a so dry joke in naval warfare
I thought the phrasing was a bit odd here. I missed it, though! :D:D
Loses war games due to too much PING.
This is why we have war games, to practice and find weaknesses in each other’s military. This was more of a success than anything.
No war games are for usa to scan if another ally have something better than them*
its also to make US sailors jealous that UK and French sailors can get hammered while the ship is underway.
there was a incident in one of these games back in 09 where in a drunken brawl started on a British carrier that caused some pretty expensive damage. as punishment they were not allowed to drink for a month on board said ship.
The joke was that the punishment was that Her Majesty leased the ship to he US for a month. Dark days indeed.
That's the right spirit 👍
Although it has to be said that they didn't really find a weakness in their military since pretty much every European sub is apparently quite capable of running circles around the US navy so that's just another one on the list.
And I'm not only talking about modern Swedish and German non nuclear subs, that list also includes an older French nuclear subs and the first cases of the US loosing against other countries subs in wargames go back to at least 1981.
I think the more interesting question is how well other navies can deal with those subs and if it is an US specific or a general problem
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here:
Huge success
It's hard to overstate
My satisfaction
Aperture Science...
Games have balancing
Sailor "Sir sonar conntact!!! Bearing 345..they... They are playing ABBA??"
Captain: "Dear God... All hands abandon ship....
US Navy: We have a fine Naval tradition.
Sweden: We've put Vikings in a submarine.
@me me they are Scandinavian
@@vishifish9934 They're dicks.
@me me horses are animals
@@wyldeyouth And I am wesle
zunderdog24 let me guess, British?
What wins: the world's strongest navy
Or: one sneaky boi
Elijah Robbins, da boi wins
Elijah Robbins
Imagine the psychological blow to the a country like the US if a war breaks out and lucky sneaky kilo sinks a supercarrrier?
It just dawned on me how vulnerable assets carriers are!
If I were secretary of the US Navy I would heavily invest in ASW capabilities to counter it
Novo Eduardo AC wat? you cant just throw the navy away because of that sub ! and after that carrier would be sunked the sub would be dead anyway YOU CANNOT HIT 1 TORPEDO AND 2 AND 3 AND NOT DIE
Obviously Sweden can, since that is exactly what this Gotland-sub did. It premfomed multiple attack runs and then dissapered, without ever being detected by the US navy protecting the carrier.
@@Pansarglas while true um the us has 16 super carriers and if this happens Sweden would be dead as this would be war and the swedish military has no chance if it happened today that is byt it wouldn't
Who would win?
The worlds largest and most advanced aircraft carrier
Or
One long metal boi
William the butchers son productions
One IKEA boi
One long CHEAP metal boi
One long Ikea boi
William the butchers son productions ahhahaha thanks👌👌
Surface ships are only really good at projecting strength and in cases like the carrier, to provide support around the globe. Subs are made to be hunter killers.
This sub holds its "farts" for 2 weeks to stalk an enemy. That's dedication.
Jag ser vad du gjorde där
@@Nxtn Jeg ser hvad du gjorde der
@Anessen I-It was a joke man
awesome awesome .
that was a nice joke.
Ofcourse we swedes finish our tasks with our minds instead of might
US: *builds a 6.2bn carrier with a taskforce to follow it*
*GETS SUNK BY SOME GUY NAMED BJORK*
Yeah, that's why carriers nowadays are surrounded by destroyers to screen for any submarines.
And really, in order to sink a carrier you have to find it first. Good luck doing that in miles and miles of open ocean.
Not even carriers with their scout planes were able to efficiently do that.
In fact, you could even google where the US carriers are. worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-naval-update-map-may-30-2019 It's impossible to hide a task force of that size and the US doesn't even try because that's not the objective. Carriers are not supposed to be stealthy, there are supposed to be mobile airbases with more firepower than some countries combined. They are supposed to be "invincible" without dependence on stealth, hence why it's worrisome for them to have a sub virtually manage torpedo shots. Make no mistake, one of the best weapons on earth is a US carrier not too many things can compare.
@@anonypersona3189 Keep in mind that the incident happened 14 years ago. USN has shifted doctrine ever so slightly in the intervening time to accommodate this. Specifically, the Virginia class attack submarine. It is explicitly designed to find and intercept other submarines, in addition to hunting down surface vessels. Obviously, operational deployment parameters are going to be classified, but I'd be shocked if every carrier group didn't have at least one or two looking after them beneath the waves by now.
Lmao
Recently a chinese sub near the us carriers undetected until the subs showed up to tell us we are here hehe
The Swedes don't have trillion-dollar defense budgets to squander, so they do things in a smart and cost-effective way.
See also: Saab aircraft. They've done some really clever stuff with systems integration to massively lower the forecast upgrade costs, while still being competitive. The Swedes punch well above their weight
They got good equipment but can’t fight a big war if necessary because of very small army. Swedes should have sticked with conscription.
@@Lagmaster33 we have conscription now again, it started last year.
Lets not forget that one anti air gun m247 Sergeant York. It had a radar system to track helicopers. Well when it was shown off, it aimed at the public observing it as a potential threat. Result; stories were made that robots will kill humans!
Or do like norway make a 4.2b boat And crash it into a container boat by accident
6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier vs 1 buildable Ikea submarine
I'll mark it on your map
Astuteous Maximus your hit zone stuff is irrelevant as the submarine went out to attack the ships. And the only traget the sub would be able to give is the moment of releasing torps, do you know how long it takes to do so? Seconds. How long do the ships need to get to combat station? Longer. And BTW detection won’t work like you explained because of the fucking fleet above.
Astuteous Maximus it’s a joke
@@spearmintflavoured1546 i agre with u
@Preston Garvey Preston is the most annoying npc in fallout4
The swedes always surprise me with their ingenuity and creativeness
Ya because they don't have boring schools like ours
@@zackcarl7861 actually we do the only difference is that were free and almost no limits and have fun..
@@Mc_Anodyne we’ll see how long that will hold..
yeah... i remember being so surprised at each big minecraft update back in the day too.
@Patriot Game Player ight slow your role. Your being hyperbolic. Just because you seen dumb kids doesn't it's the same for all. Same for high-school only things kids had to worry about was drug abuse. Mass shootings aren't ripping through every high school in the U.S
USA: sweden can we borrow your high tech sub so we can learn how to destroy it?
Sweden: Yeah sure!
We're the Canadians of Europe :D
LOL
They have new ones in production now. These are old tech.
Its...good actually. Upgraded diesel tech defeat nuclear tech. Then the US will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the Swedes. Later the Swedes or someone else will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the upgraded US ships. Thats how, I think, European nations advances itself through the medieval ages faster than the Middle East n the East, through military conflict n competition without destroying themselves.
Furthermore, competition in stable n peaceful (relatively speaking) environment will, hopefully, further advance various discovery. Hopefully, these discoveries will reach civilian level and thus make the overall technology enjoyed by the population increase.
USA: Go ahead sink one so we can destroy your whole nation. We'll trade a single Carrier for your Country.
who would win? the entire US navy,
**or one diving boi**
Hookseye tha fucking diving boi! And hehe i’m Swedish so yeah... ima end this mans whole career!
@@LNZT hey olofmeister
I was looking for this comment XD
Missed opportunity to call it 'One underwater meatball'. 2/10
My bet on diving boi
While the Stirling engine you concentrate on is remarkable, there are other things that added to the stealth - the propellers, the silent compressors for the exhaust pressure tanks, the hydrodynamic shape of the sub, and others.
tommy14 the props are stolen from the dutch
I’ve been in one Gotland class and seen the motor. As a tall guy I can say that the room for me was more than good. They have the motor underneath protection plates so people can’t just enter and take pictures. We were lucky, they were doing maintenance so the hatches were not mounted and we could see this beautiful motor
The Swedish submarine has sneak 100
Nah, only 99 cuz of swedish meatball farts
*see's numder of likes in comment is 69*
Im sorry little one
After sinking the carrier.
The rest of the fleet: Probably just the wind.
Further proof that chameleon 100% is broken and the devs need to patch this reality before the next major story arc.
@@Leofred2000 no its 98 they make noise when opening a new toblerone pack
Us: “invests a mountain of unpaid debt money on a $6.2 Billion Carrier”
Swedes: *haha ship go boom boom*
wouldnt that be glub glub ...
So unfortunately true. We dump trillions into ships which can still be taken out with weapons costing only thousands. Have you noticed that Russia has almost no carrier force and few large warships? It's because they know that in a major conflict all the warships at sea will be immediately sunk on both sides. No point in wasting your money like that. One guided missile frigate of today can do what every battleship ever built put together cannot do. One day we'll learn what the UK did with the Hood: big warships are just expensive showpieces that can't win wars for you, and they all can be sunk.
@Troll uNeed bruh , either English is your tenth language or auto correct fucked you over , I could barely understand your comment.
@kirk mcloren More like 3 minutes now with today's technology.
Aimad Tareksson same didn’t understand a single sentence
I once heard an admiral say “if there’s going to be another world war, there’ll be two types of ships: submarines and sunk”
Submarines and suddenly involuntarily refitted submarines
@@ruthswann88 even better, those refitted subs dont even have to resurface for air!
Submarines can also sink once their control is gone 🤦♂
It must be donitz lol
thats funny
Swedish sub: Gotcha!
US Ship: But, but,... I wasn't ready!
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
US drops the Bomb
Japan: Nani?!
@@youarepredictable you have a copy paste problem
@@youarepredictable what's even the point of a military exercise if you don't even simulate an actual fight; by your account anyway. Wasting taxpayer dollars?
@@zippyparakeet1074 he's probably not a real submariner
Talking about sonar: "not a sound strategy". gg.
DrearyPlane8 probably was a pun but the word 'sound' is overused in this context and many others in Ireland, compared to other anglosphere nations.
if you listened to him he explained active using a loud ping is detectable..
Sound=Good in Ireland
The trick is that the whole sub can be dismantled and divided into flat packages with an L-wrench. Impossible to trace under attack, and they can then assemble it anywhere in the world in just minutes. The problem is that there will always be one missing bolt in every package that can only be found in the nearest IKEA store............ But as long they have access to IKEA spare parts they Swedish submarines are deadly.....
That was really good, I started off speed reading your post, and had to back track. I knew I missed something, when I slowed down the 2nd time I really Laugh-Out-Loud.
"Those Swedes sure know how to put in almost everything you need" Philip J. Fry
Most underrated comment out of the 8k or so on this video. Freakin hysterical!!!
i love this comment
you need to consider, they now pack allways spare bolts in the packages, take this Murrica!
Attack Helicopter ́ // Damn it !! Then the vikings will be unstoppable once again. But this time they will come submerged ;-)
It's only cheap because it requires you to build the whole thing, and at the end you find several leftover pieces that make you forever worried it's going to fall apart. The Swedish love doing this to people.
Fry Szopen it's an ikea flat packed joke
It's a weird joke to make. Ikea furniture is designed to be trivial to put together such that any moron could do it. This doesn't make sense in the context of a submarine.
@seigeengine: IKEA flatpack is usually cheaper than a pre-assembled equivalent partially because it's so simple to put together that that work can be foisted on the consumer.
seigeengine not nessesarily the Swedish army like this idea of cheap and easy to build and repair equipment. you see it with the Saab fighters they are made in such a way thay can be,taken apart and repaired with stuff you find in a hardware store.( or at least as mutch as possible) this is due to the positioning of Sweden and the lessens learned in the finish Russian war. Sweden do expect to be attacked by a far stronger enemy and having to fight a gorilla war.
Where can i buy one of these subs? IKEA?
When I was in the Navy during the Cuban missile Crisis in a NATO exercise , The Skipjack which was one of the first if not the first nuclear sub., sank every single ship in the US 6th fleet. I was a watch section leader in CIC and listened on a radio speaker. Bumper this is Skipjack, you've just been sunk. It sunk three aircraft carriers too. The Roosevelt, The Saratoga and The Forrestal.
US Defence Industry: "How will we ever convince congress to shovel even more money into our bloated military?"
*War games with Sweden*
time for more, we've made 2 newer generation subs ;)
I mean you're not wrong, kinda doesn't make sense not to if your military tech is obsolete unless you want to be defeated on the battlefield.
yep, the pentagon can't get enough of it
its a computer simulation
@@memeboi6017 I dont think so
ikea made submarine.
It was built by SAAB Kockums
Erik Ahl r/woooooooosh
Shooting chair legs instead of torpedos...
Jepp
Knights of nee.
But remember that those meatballs are filled with horse meat!
US: we have powerful sonar, we can detect anything
Sweden submarine: *Crouch*
US: where did that submarine go? Welp, back to work
*must've been the wind*
Hmm them darn villagers again
Dumb
Lame joke
nah, the sub was just hiding in a box
1:27 -- "...but in warfare, this isn't a sound strategy..."
Isn't that literally what it is, though? >.>
Bruh
Literally 😂
It's still very dumb to go active
bruh :)
Yeah the field exercise was literally conducted without access to active sonar systems, I have no clue why real engineering did not mention this as while subs do not use sonar to avoid detection, carrier strike groups absolutely do. The US military as a whole tends to stack to deck in the other team's favor in war games to find vulnerabilities that would not necessarily fully exist in a maritime war scenario but, could if say sonar was down by some miracle on give or take 30 ships
Submarine OP, pls nerf.
WaterwayWorker W. L. No u
Get it into War Thunder Naval Beta Testing...
lol...I love it
amen
hahha.
who would win?
A *billion* dollar *aircraft carrier*
or *one swedey boi*
Depends on how many Japanese carriers arrived in a dark alley demanding the Swedey boi's girlfriend.
@@tipi5586 Y-YAMEROOO TEMEE...!!!
🇸🇪
Skrattar duuu forlar du maneeeeeeeeeeen!
@Pew die lie nie r/whoooosh
I remember when I was in the Navy (my ships job was anti sub warfare, we tracked subs) and one morning I was just killing time looking out at the water passing by, when a suddenly a periscope popped up. Hilarious. I think we failed that day.
Jason Bone STG?
Jason Bone so you never Found out What it was?
D D Seems legit
Well not every military personnel is a hero then. Every military guy/girl has the audacity to tell every civilian that they fight for our freedom. I tell them they don't fight they do it for a paycheck. Of course there are those real heroes.
+Jason Bone Dutch subs used to do that with Russian ships during the Cold War. The subs were known to be one fo the most silent of the western world and they used to pop out the periscope mere metres next to Soviet warships to spy on them. Subs are pretty damn sneaky if operated right
Lol can you imagine the sub was like “ Eh, we got here already might aswell fire. “..
The answer is that the Stirling engine cylinders work opposite each other and the vibrations are cancelled out. Totally.
You can put a coin on the side on top of it and it will not fall over. That is why it is so silent.
And for people who don't know. It's the same technique used in noise cancelling headphones
@@vapen_hem Noise canceling headphones have opposite cylinder engines??! 0.o
@@rrs_13 🤦♂️
@@vapen_hem :D
@@rrs_13 no, theres tiny swedish submarines built inside the headphones. if you listen closely you can hear their crews drink met and sing viking songs.
Sweden: *I'm gonna do what's called a Pro Gamer Move.*
USA: *You weren't supposed to do that.*
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
@@youarepredictable But we don't know if the Swedes did that either.
@@youarepredictable whatever makes you feel better
@@murphy7801 thanks...accuracy in all matters and the facts DO make me feel better. Wish you felt the same.....along with SO many others here that have zero knowledge or experience.in this subject. You know....people like YOU. But like most people on here, that won't stop you from offering your half baked bullshit opinions based on less than zero knowledge. You know this to be true, but it hurts to acknowledge, so I'm sure you'll be back with a "yeah...but...." sigh.....
@@youarepredictable that's why you copy pasted it onto almost every comment. That definitely says I'm not insecure
Having been in the Navy and having as part of my job the determination of sound propagation, I find this totally believable. Diesel-electric subs, especially in shallow water (less than 600 fathoms) are virtually undetectable when on battery. Even nuke attack subs are very difficult to detect. There was one occasion on the carrier that I was stationed on that the first indication one was around was the periscope a quarter mile away. The biggest problem with a carrier vs. sub is that the planes make so much noise that it screws up the passive sonar for miles around while at the same time providing a big "here I am" to the submarine.
I didn’t even think about the self generated noise pollution aspect
How does the Navy evaluate the Carriers in war simulation? Do they think they are their strongest weapons or do they consider them to be too vulnerable and inefficient?
When it comes to a near-equal, I don't know. (I'm retired Navy and my job was weather forecasting, not strategy) An equal or near-equal could launch cruise missiles from either surface ships or submarines from over the horizon. If launched from a submarine, your first clue that it is on the way is when your radar picks it up incoming and you cross your fingers that your CIWS (Close in Weapons System) which shoots 3,000 depleted (non-radioactive) uranium slugs per minute, can shred it. Against other carriers and surface ships, it is back to WWII, who has the best tacticians, pilots, equipment, and crew will win.
The thing about carriers is that they can project force an insane distance. When I was in the Navy, before the Shah of Iran was overthrown, we had some war games with the Iranians. When we were about a thousand miles from Iran we launched our planes, which had a range of only 800 miles. We cheated, we sent tankers out to refuel them so they could reach their targets, and then refueled them again on the way back. They never found us. They were looking for us within the range of the aircraft and we weren't there.
I suppose that tactics like that are those which would minimize the usefulness of a diesel-electric sub. You just make sure you are where they won't think of looking. Which in the case mentioned in the video sounds like wasn't done.
Really interesting information. Indeed if the Carriers are already found by the enemy, they are pretty much sitting ducks and I think there are few things you can do to protect them. I am interested in and read a little bit about warfare on the sea and ever since the era of WW2, it seems to be mostly a game of hide and seek. I guess it doesn't change much after all these years.
I heard somewhere that the Russians have fake fishing trawlers parked outside our sub bases and whenever a sub goes in for a refit and to get a more modern 'screw' the Russians wait for it to leave and try to pick up on the new signature. I am sure we do the same thing as well.
An Australian Collins class sub did something similar during exercises around the Hawaiian Islands. The Collins class coincidentally was a Swedish design.
yes and in that exercise the Americans even cheated and still 'lost.' Their ships and an Australian sub were supposed to play a game of 'cat and mouse' as it were and the Americans were supposed to turn off their sonar systems for a while to let the Australian submarine disappear, but they didn't. Rankin (the Aussie sub) still managed to evade them, disappear and then took photographs of their destroyer within torpedo range, undetected.
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise. On an especially personal note, I was in the Hawaiian ops area and took part in these exercises and all the same stuff applies. Sorry.
@@youarepredictable lol Stop commenting the same thing by changing the name of the places. Get a life lol.
@@Alan_is_here I didn't change any place names of importance to the story. You get a life first, bud.
@@youarepredictable bullshit , every one is fallible , including the US navy and it is not the first time that a US carrier was taken out in war games by a inferior rated force.
The kiwis took out the Midway in 81 in operation sand groper 81 off Western Australia and 420 sailors went hammer and tong at each other over the incident. ,in Pinocchio's disco in Perth and wrecked the place
112 taxis were called , i know , because i was there.
Easy, they bribed the crew with great meatballs, and the US navy bent the knee
Ikea meatballs ofc
Oh snap Ikea balls
Has visions of the Swedish Chef cooking for US sailors. ruclips.net/video/B7UmUX68KtE/видео.html
Swedish meatballs ftw
We're not Italians! Unless you're referring to IKEA meatballs, of course. I could see the appeal there.
You gotta love Swedish military engineering. Always finding ways to get better while spending less. So clever, so deadly...
Then we let Americans borrow our stuff so they can destroy it
Nate Malm why would be destroy Swedish subs? We are allies
@@yourmanzach2307 that's literally what they said in the video, we let them borrow it so they could learn to destroy it
@@nathanaelmalm5641 yes because the chinese have similair diesel subs.. thats why.
@@yourmanzach2307 maybe just in case sweden were to turn on us, we know how to sink their subs
I think the US navy got a bit CARRIED away
Funny joke
*BA-DUM TSS*
whos paying for this...
The Spherical Earth hahah
Yeah but you need to respect the Swedish navy
everybody gangsta til' the water starts speaking swedish
Don't mind me. I'm just here to read what all the top military experts have to say.
quantomic1106 - Award for top remark in comments ! 👏🏻
Ouch! Betcha that hurt the experts!
You sir are an expert! Why do we need military generals and military strategists when we can easily gather valuable battle plans from armchair warrior RUclips comments like yours? But hey what do I know?
Silly generals.
If you genuinely think the US military hasn't already figured out countermeasures or alternatives of some sort to these technologies that are heavily classified and will only be revealed 20 years down the road, you're out of your mind.
So what does all this logic have to do with the shown video?! For what I have seen it was about a sub taking out a aircraft carrier during an exercise.
USA: We have the most expensive navy ever!
Sweden: We just switched from wooden viking boats to silend metal viking boats.
USA: Fk off Björn
Excuse me?
Doesnt björn just mean bear?
perc Björn means bear but is also a scandinavian name.
Firstly Finland Sweden is better than Russia and US, Finland created the molotov, and we they also won again Russia. And no we did not go from viking to marine, and björn does not simply mean bear, it does but it also is a name, just as björk, not as some calls it bjork, it means birch, like birch tree.
@@appleskum6520 r/woosh
Thankyou to our friends in Sweden for teaching us about our vulnerabilities and helping us get that vulnerability worked out. Together we are stronger.
and soon we will be gone, if catch my drift ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
No,thank you 4 saving our sorry as during ww2.THANK YOU and your family and relatives.THANK YOU!!.And yes,us rocks!!
@@danielnilsson5384 So does Sweden, it rocks!!!! :)
Anonymous Devil Dog hello, i am swedish
Anonymous Devil Dog you’re welcome ;)
That was a smooth-ass transition to the sponsor.
Who would win? The most powerful and sophisticated military the world has ever seen or
One Stirling boi?
Tadokat Sterling? Surely you mean Stirling...
Convergant This is an engineering channel, not a linguistic channel. :
Tadokat Linguistics is language engineering!
Not largest . China is the largest. And if reserve personal are to be counted. North korea is the biggest
EpicHunter117 Gaming True. In terms of raw amount of units, the U.S. isn't the largest. Hell, even throughout history, there were far larger militaries like Czarist Russia during The Great War with 5 million (though many of them weren't actually armed due to lack of rifles). That being said, it's still by far the most powerful.
You didn't actually answer the question of how the submarine actually did win the game. A story the video feels incomplete.
Yes he did at 0:42
+T N when subs do "attack runs" during training they take pictures of the vessel and they counts as torpedos fired.
As that was answered within a minte of the video, this could count as anti-clickbait. The answer is given quickly, and you can choose to stay for the additional information.
The submarine was never seen
That's why I disliked the video.
This kind of stuff is absolutely fascinating. Thanks for doing what you do!
The Australian Navy also 'sunk' a US carrier during Rimpac exercises off Hawaii with HMAS Rankin, a diesel/electric Colins class sub, which is an Aussie built enlarged Swedish Västergötland class sub.
They did not sink a carrier they succeeded in the game that was being played. Too many people are far too naive when it comes to all of this.
A single sub carrying out a sneak attack cannot sink a carrier that easily. The moment the sub fires it gives its position away and the ocean would become saturated with anti submarine warfare measures.
The Germans had 1200 submarines active in WW2 and not even they could take out the US navy.
@Stormwern
Ok Pauline. 😂
@bighands69
Of course they didn't really sink it, how stupid do you think I am?
But a 6 round spread of Mk48 Adcaps would obliterate a carrier.
If it's made of metal I assure you it can sink.
Sweden, small country and world class in surprisingly many stuff.
They are gays
@Kekistan Shitlord how about that Sweden has 2nd best internet connection, one of the best commute and traffic system, one of the countries with least environmental issues compared to population and size, one of the smallest countries that has influenced the entire world with big companies such as IKEA, Volvo, Scania, ABB.
@@Petri_Pennala best u could come up with?
Kevin Magron once they begin letting immigrants in they will end up just like any other banana republic
I live i sweden its only in some citys that its many muslims in.
Americans love food,
The American Naval systems misidentified that submarine as a *Swedish Meatball Sub* and let it in
This allowed the Swedish submarine to bypass American defenses like a coronary artery
You fucking shit. XD
I second thee
Damn it, you're right.
Though, personally, I'm more partial towards an authentic Philly cheesesteak with a side of onion rings and jalapeno poppers.
You've never eaten Navy food, I assume.
Abdega stupid fucking shitstain of a swede
US: I have more power
Russia: No I have more power
Sweden: I'll just sneak by. I really don't want to be a part of this
China: Hey, look guys, we made a mach 10 rocket, just like you guys did 50 years ago. Now we too can render all your ships obsolete. Wait, what's the argument about again?
Good luck striking our sub with that mach 10 rocket.
lol
TurnipTwister 123 Germany: Hey, I’ll behave as fishing boats.
Dutch submarine: Let's "sink" just half of the US carrier battle-group while we make our exit, we don't want to make them to embarrassed by destroying the whole fleet, it's an exercise after all.
I've known about the Stirling engine for a decade now and your animation finally cleared it for me how it works. The heat exchanger was missing from my mental blueprint
The whole submarine is assembled with just a hex key.
Actually it's Swiss Knife...
THEPHYSICALSPRIT.. SWEDEN you dolt, not Switzerland
THEPHYSICALSPRITF fucks sake how is Sweden and Switzerland often confused, are you acting stupid just to make us mad????
but there is also a picture of a guy calling someone for help. if you find the pictures hard to read.
From this day forward, the Allen Wrench shall be known as the Swedish Wrench.
Yup subs are dangerous, they always have been. The Swedish are excellent submariners too.
TUna GC SWE no cunnt
Not only the subs they are good at... Just watch their tank STRV 103 B ... låååååångt före sig i sin tid när den kom ...
Just If their submarines saved them from mass migration and culture displacement.
Only excellent? No idiot, were the best.
GUYS IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS!!!! PEWDIEPIE HELPED THE SUBMARINE. HIS CHANNEL RUSHED OUT IN A MOB, AND OVERWHELMED THE US CARRIER!!!!!
1:23 "... the submarine will send out a sound pulse called a 'ping' and listen for the reflections. But in warfare this isn't a sound strategy ..." I almost threw my phone out the window.
Puns kill... be careful.
I literally had a seizure
Exactly! The Destroyers should have been doing that.
@Greengage 27; If you had, your life would've been so much better. #Killthephones
Ping? (anyone there) ... ... Boom! (yes)
Subscribed after a friend's recommendation, "I can't be arsed," made me stay.
Did anyone else see the big IKEA logo on the side of the submarine?
No it said Damasteel.
no, just the ABBA-logo..
Ha, that's funny.
in my eyes it looked like ICA Basic
Was it shaped like dinamite
You know a Swedish invention
Because IKEA made it.
Pewdipie*
Airplane Plus Train Guy OF COURSE IT MADE IT
Airplane Plus Train Guy Can I order one too?
I am still trying to find the lost pieces from the table I bought from ikea ;-)
übåt...
Who would win?
1. One of the biggest military forces in the world.
2. A viking submarine.
3. Afghanistan goat herders
Tobias Lilliehorn 4.Vietnamese Rice Farmers
5. Some nuclear Russian boi
7.some kamikaze boi
*hinga dinga durgen, outsider*
Same thing was done by the Australian navy decades ago. Diesel subs are always quieter than nuclear subs. That's why a US carrier fleet need to be so vigilant and includes so many layers of defense nowadays
USA: We have the most modern and expensive technology known to man and nobody can sink our navy
Some swedish boi: hold my beer
I thought the sub achieved what it did because of two things: it knew the route the carrier group was taking and so could position in advance, and it just parked there, not moving. IRL it wouldn't be able to do this because an enemy wouldn't be privy to the fleet's movements. If they were, it would be a SIGINT win, not a win for the sub. Seems like this was blown out of proportion to me
@steve crawford woah your ego is just radiating
Hold my meatball*
@@berengerchristy6256 It probably knew the general area the carrier group were in, just like in a real scenario. Otherwise the sub wouldnt have been seen as such a large threat, the US leased it and it's crew for 2 years after all.
@@berengerchristy6256 A carrier group isn't really what you'd call inconspicuous, it's kinda hard to miss and projecting where it's going isn't really hard either since it takes a long time to change course, so all you need is a small boat or plane to spot it. Of course the opponent wouldn't be privvy to the plans but the route isn't that hard to find out.
"The ping isn't a very sound solution."
Is this pun intended?
Yes, most likely
One of the main problems with Stirling engines is that the cold side needs to be as cold as possible to increase the temperature difference and that places a huge demand on cooling. However, at sea you have a wonderful and limitless supply of generally cool or cold water, the sea itself, to insure the highest possible delta-T. The major problem with Stirlings' on subs is compressing the exhaust.
As I understand Stirling engines there is no exhaust! The gas is permanently retained and recirculated.
@@terrencethompson5329 The heat source is external and can be a flame, concentrated heat from the Sun, or any other source of heat difference. The working fluid INSIDE the engine stay inside, all but a small part that inevitably escapes when the working fluid is hydrogen or helium. An ideal setup would have a high temperature source at just below the limits of the engine to handle that temp and then to have the cold side as close as practical to absolute zero. The Carnot Cycle plainly states the importance of Th and Tc with the the efficiency equal to the quantity equal to n = 1 - Tc/Th. If Tc can be made very small and Th very large then the efficiency can get close to 1 or 100%. But, in practice the high temp is limited by the materials we have so that value is lower than we'd like. And getting cooling to cool the cold side is a real problem as it's hard to cool an engine below about 100C but 100C is actually 373K. So if you can make the Th around 1000C or 1273K, and you can cool the cold side down to, say 20C or about 300K, then the efficiency can never exceed n = 1 - Tc/Th or 1 - 300/1273 = 76%. But, as I said, those values are not practical and there are other losses as well.
Especially in the artic area when water in the natural world is the coldest.
Former submariner here... the diesel boat would easily get picked up by the MAD on a P-3 and promptly sunked if this wasn't a war game. War games typically enforce rules that make it very unfair for one side.... because its just a game.
Usa: we use nuclear subs to conduct silent long term warfare where we wouldnt ever have to refuel, allowing us to operate for years without refueling
Sweeds: hue hue hue 18th century engine
Also before you give me shit, i know diesal was invented in the 20th century but im making a joke about the engines basic concept that dates back years ago
I think the 6,000+ dislikes agree with you
if the stirling engine was invented in 1816, wouldn't it be 19th century?
NUKE SUBS ARE NOT SILENT. ALL SUBS ARE DETECTED BY UNDERSEA WARFARE CHOPPERS
@@STROONZONY undersea choppers?
@@MrLkong92 in Sweden its the 18 century because you know its the 1800, but you know cultural difference's and language but bla bla doesnt matter we can still get along
Dang the swedes make amazing meatballs and submarines, oh yeah and Dice too wow
Yea DICE and MOJANG.
Oh rip I meant dice
Pcc b yeah that's what I meant thanks 😂
And are the rape capital of europe.
classicMaxReviews yup
When you give vikings modern tech
Give? This was made in Sweden.
Sweden have been building submarines since 1904.
@@Merecir surprised noone say its just a joke yet
@@Merecir r/woooshh
@@Fredag123 r/ihavereddit
@@Merecir it’s a fucking joke
netflix: "are you still watching?"
me with someones daughter: 4:20
US:SWEDEN WHAT IN THE ABSOLUTE HELL!?
Sweden: Börk
Börk?
Börk.
Kottbollar
funkyleah håll käften
Börk
I'll bet that carrier crew ate generally unsatisfying meatballs for a week after that one.
nonsense. that is the point of wargames! to find out how technologies will perform in combat situations in a safe manner.
I was on a carrier for 3 cruises. All of the meals were unsatisfying!
Hahahahahaa!!!
Doubtful. The US carriers have no organic antisub or sonar capability. They rely 100% on their picket ships. They could drop sonobuoys from their Hoovers but that capability has been diminished severely over the years. If anybody had egg on their faces it was the commander of the cruiser/destroyer group and not the captain of the RR. In reality, a number of torpedo strikes are not going to sink a carrier. It's too big, too compartmentalized and there are multiple redundancies for every control and combat system. All of the ship's crew are drilled endlessly on damage control and all of the materials needed are prepositioned all over the ship. A large blast underneath the keel (think megatons) would create an air pocket and the weight of the ship would crack the keel in half. That could sink one. (This is what was taught to me in the three years I served as an officer aboard one.)
no they learned something, hope you're not an American. probably never served your country. go fly a kite, and thank the REAL AMERICANS!!!
Heh...nevermind back in the late 90's a Canadian diesel-electric sub, an old Oberon-class, did much the same thing. Snuck right into the middle of the American formation, surfaced next to the carrier, made fun of them, raised the flag, lowered the flag, and then hid underneath the carrier until the yankees stopped being mad lol.
Alamandorious the Germans did similar too. It almost seems like it became a habit of diesel subs to sink multi billion carriers 🤔
That was a very funny story bro, thank you
@@julesonautofconscriptedhub7327 indeed, the Germans did it at least twice. In the 80ies with a conventional diesel sub, and again lately with one of their very stealthy fuel cell driven U-boats. If it happens so often, US-Navy carrier groups should work on their submarines defense.
@@harmseberhardharmseberhard9908 Same for the Germans, we had a submarine pulled up beside the german ship with a french and british escort
@@arberchabot8760 👍 Any links to this incident? Thanks!
Ah, the so-old-its-actually-awesome effect. Kinda like the Swordfish torpedo bombers (which were so outdated that AAA shells didn't detect when they hit them).
Correction.
The shells overpenetrated the fabric coverings of the biplane.
@@nuclearwarhead9338, same difference.
And didn't they fly too low to the water and the guns on the ships couldn't swivel down that low to fire back at them?
You must not be big to win. You must be smart.
@Stellacore look at this salty kid
@Stellacore America vs. any country = MOABs and massive artillery shell holes in that designated country
@per aspera ad astra ¿ ``Being big makes it so you can survive many more mistakes ... until you get smart.`` sadly that does not apply to the general public of america...
@@Grogzter man, people like you can't take jokes. Obviously, there would be consequences for America on dropping MOABs on other countries. I was thinking more on, how should I say, a country that came to conflict beforehand, kind of like how Japan bombed Pearl harbor. The nuclear weapons used on Japan worked, therefore nuclear weapons like the B-83 would do much, much more damage. The EU wouldn't be able to do much about America devastating another country because THAT country came to conflict first. Also, I said America vs. another country, not an EU country. Do you think every country is in the EU? That's what I thought dumbass. Also, America did drop a MOAB on Afghanistan; on an ISIS cave system. Sometimes you just have to mind your own business and keep your bullshitting mouth shut.
In Vietnam, America interfered with the war because they were scared of a domino effect happening. They pulled away because the Vietnamese used the jungle against them.
@@thegulag1240 that's the attitude the Germans had in WWII, they thought they could bomb London into oblivience, they did make quite a mess but didn't do any severe damage.
Who would win: 6.2 Billion Dollars Carrier
Some Swedish boy
@@tazzess More like George Bush, or the war-loving Obama
There are only two types of ships: submarines and targets.
I've been saying that for years and I'm an old, ex-Cavalry Scout...
(Submarines are boats)
True.
discoHR and submarine fu**er (destroyer)
Can't hit what you can't see as explained by this video and the result of those war exercises.
Virgin US carrier vs Chad IKEA submarine
WHO WOULD WIN:
A giant million ton metal behemoth battle ship
Or
One swimmy boi
who will win
one of the most advanced aircraft carriers in the world fitted with top notch sub detection
or
one Swedish boi
Kien Truong actually it barely weighs over 100 tons
Who would win?
American's embodiment of compensation in steel and gunpowder
Or
One sneaky meatball?
I KNEW someone would go there!!
Shockwave Shockwave one sneaky meatball boi*
1:13 For one fleeting moment I thought there was a sub that can go undetected by looking like a killer whale, which would be awesome.
Dr evil made a decent sub
American Captain: Hey guys, look! A whale!
Crew: WOW!
Submarine: *Launches torpedo that looks like a whale calf*
Captain: awww it’s has a baby as well
*BOOM*
Astrobum lame
That's the plot for The Hunt For Red October.
Wait... a sub that uses a Stirling Engine? This is the sort of stuff I dream up but consider to be impractical.
WHY YOU CAME Not just you but others with alleged professional credentials probably said it couldn’t be done either...now look at what we got!
Trust in yourself.
Steampunk works. Steampunk wins.
its not the smart that invent stuff that is successful its the stubborn
Another advantage of a diesel-electric sub with air independent propulsion (AIP) is that it can turn off its powerplant and rest on the sea floor (in relatively shallow water) making almost no noise not registering as a moving vehicle.
If the carrier fleet knows that the submarine is in the area they will find it. In a time of real war the carrier group would saturate the area with anti submarine measures.
@@bighands69 Partly the reson that they desided to lease the sub was, they could not find it, the gotland class dureing excorsises in the Medeteranian, avoided detection for days, and WAS NOT found by for example by resting on the sea floor, whit several Nato Navies seartching whit Activ sonar.
@@AdmiralLj
In a major war individual submarines like that would be useless and the moment they opened fire they would get destroyed.
Submarines are OP, plz nerf
Blizzard will do a rework and then nerf 6 times to appease the USA Mains
IIGrayfoxII xddddddd
IIGrayfoxII never nerf usa its high skill high reward lol
Lol
Nerf it, its too OP
I really don't want to be the guy who had the task to tell the carrier captain: "Uhm Sir it appears we've been sunk... multiple times...."
Don't worry, the French submarine Saphir managed to wipe out half a carrier group, before it ran out of torpedoes and weapons to sink the remaining half. The Swedes can't compete with that result.
The German built submarine from the Argentinians didn't sink the British carrier during the Falkland war due to steering cables being mixed up, the torpedo ran away. Else, the British admiral admitted, the whole Falkland campaign would have been cancelled, as the Harriers from both carriers were crucial for success.
Capitan of the ship- Aahhhhh admiral we have been sunk
Admiral- What how?
Captain of the ship- well is appears that we’ve been hit and sunk about 15 times by a cheep Swedish sub, oh and also the rest of the fleet has been as well
Admiral- so you are telling me that we have been sunk 15 times by a Swedish submarine that’s cheaper than Chinese plastic!
Captain of the ship- yes sir
Admiral- well trumps gonna be pissed
Daan, where is the Dutch submarine then? Baseless patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Grow up.
I don't care for countries, its a matter of technology, which, btw. the Netherlands actually do not possess.
Daan Made in Holland 3 french firms in top 20 defense industry... one has it's financial headquarters in Holland and France (as a brunch of European countries) buys some ballistics from the deutch but that's about it. Deutchland ranks around 38/40 in most global rankings France constantly reaches the top 5. Also... Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert hahaha
Daan Made in Holland "your poor I'm Jewish" ; "google this google that" ; "take a walk in wala ghetho Paris" man I hope you look better than you argue! You sound like forest gump has fucking Tourette haha!
"There is are only two kinds of naval vessels, submarines and targets"
1943: 260 U-boat lost Submarines are targets too
Yeah, WW2 submarines were rather submersible torpedo boats than proper submarines as they operated 95% of the time on the surface. Modern day conventional or nuclear powered attack submarines are something completely different.
Yes and how much allied shipping was lost? Also....over 70 years ago xD
Adamast U-Boats are submersible toroedo boats not submarines. And they relied on being a periscope depth to attack, where they could be seen by the naked eye.
Paradoxical Nightmare. It's not a submarine's job to find other subs. They will be sneaking around enemy controlled waters trying to find and sink enemy ships. Anti-submarine role is left to aircrafts and destroyers.
Speaking as an ex-submariner, I would always back the submarine to get through to the carrier. No surface ship travelling at the speeds required for launching /recovering aircraft with catapults and arrester gear can use a sonar effectively and the escorts must travel at the same speed. I am not even sure that they man the sonars during flying stations. The physics of the water also gives the submarine other advantages. Gotland is certainly a very quiet design and your explanation of the Stirling engine was very clear.
I doubt the CVN has organic sonar, but you can bet each of the DDGs in the strike group is monitoring sonar at all times. Plus the strike groups travel with at least one SSN. And ideally, Intel already knows what potentially hostile subs could be in the area before the strike group is supposed to be there. That doesn't mean a sub can't surprise them like the Chinese have done, but it helps.
@@dongquixote7138 and you can bet that their sonar is also ineeffective at the speeds carrier goups operate. It is just physics!
USA: "Our navy is invincible!!"
Sweden: "Hold my beer..."
PewDiePie : "Hold my Subscribers"
Hold my drinking horn...
Hold my mjöd
Hold my mjölk
Its atcually invincible no navy could conventionaly defeat it the carriers lost can be replaced in months and the sheer number of the US navy ships and advanced system they use is hard to defeat
A Dutch submarine did this even better in 1999 with sinking the Theodore Roosevelt and a few other ships.
During this exercise the Walrus penetrates the U.S. screen and sinks many ships, including the U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71. The submarine launches two attacks and manages to sneak away. To celebrate the sinking the crew designed a special T- shirt. Fittingly, the T-shirt depicted the USS Theodore Roosevelt impaled on the tusks of a walrus. It was also reported that the Walrus also sank many of the Roosevelt's escorts, including the nuclear submarine USS Boise, a cruiser, several destroyers and frigates, plus the command ship USS Mount Whitney. The Walrus herself survived the exercise with no damage.
A Diesel boat on batteries is almost impossible to detect without active measures, and the US relies almost exclusively on passive tracking.
I think it's time we change our strategy. If we see you you're dead meat. It don't matter if they know where we are if we know where they are.
A South korean sub also sunk 40 u.s. vessels including aircraft carrier in 2004 rimpac
I LOVE THAT!!! LONG LIVE THE NETHERLANDS!!!
Yeah, so...
Don't screw with us when it comes to water.
There's this myth that we can will away water by just being near it and wanting it away.
... That's a lie, _we gave water PTSD._
Video about a Swedish Submarine.
*THERE'S STILL PLANES*
*THEY SUNK WITH THE CARRIERS*
Rus Toggamton it's literally about an aircraft carrier what do you expect, fucking forklifts
Midas A Yes that's exactly what I expected.
Is it true that Swedish planes are made of camel semen? *-Waiting-*
No, Swedish planes are made from chipboard and assembled with L-wrenches.
5:30 "these instruments" shows a photo of SOKS, designed to detect wakes (density variations) left by submarines. There was a report that they had a device (not the SOKS shown) that was able to detect trace amounts of radionucleotides "left behind in the path of a nuclear submarine" (but can't be differentiated by those in normal seawater) and that they were supposedly able to detect and track several of their own ships, and they claimed to have used it to track one of our submarines, but experts are skeptical - there are other techniques the Russian subs were employing at the time, and it is likely one of those other techniques was what worked to enable them to track our submarine.
Brain will always be more powerfull than money.
Sweden/Finland/Norway in a nutshell hahahahaha
You must got 1 trillion likes
What will happen if money buy that brain??
Hmmmmmmm........
Where do you think we got the money? We invented and operated subs before anyone.
But you dont have a brain.
That heat battery is really interesting. I wonder how many more places that could be used ... we lose so much energy to heat in our electrical grid.
FutureNow - Its not what you think it is...
I know you from somewhere. Guss who i am and from where i know you :))
F1 cars use something similar. They are called MGU-H
Off the top of my hizead I'm figuring it's just a mass that's used to dampen temperature change. Hot air flows one way, and it warms up the "battery", cold air flows back the other way and it absorbs the heat from the "battery."
*GROAN*
US: We've got the most advanced navy in the world.
Sweden: But can you do this?!
Proud to be swedish boiii
are you even allowed to be proud lmao.
Stupid... I'm not sure whether you're actually this stupid or just acting stupid, well acting stupid is kind of stupid in itself so let's just say you're stupid, Stupid.
[FuriousBoltyx] This is why we have war games with our allies. To make sure all our weapons, doctrine and tactics are all up to date. By sinking the carrier, the Swedes did everyone a favor. They practiced how to effectively use their new weapons and showed the Americans flaws in their doctrines and tactics.
We learn more from failure than victory and I would much rather have failure in practice to avoid failure in the battlefield.
+Jim Nicholas US supercarriers are still not secure from European subs, so you still have much to learn then. Latest was France in 2015-16 wargames, sank US supercarrier and a few escorts with it. One sub again. And between the French and Swedes I think the British did it too.
Jim Nicholas bitch shut the fuck up
Swedish before: I kill men on tree
Swedish now: we kill underwater while the enemy has 0 idea we are here
In 1999 did the Dutch hms Walrus sink the Uss Theodore Roosevelt Aircraft Carrier and 9 other ships in a exercise.
@Chris Miller What do you mean. Should we sunk your aircraftcarriers for real? Wouldn't you be uppset?
Were are better in fighting thsn you our Michiel de Ruyter destroyd the whole france and brittains marine with a very small marine in1653
@Chris Miller Aircraft carriers are expensieve sitting ducks and exercise or not our western subs will destroy your carriers.
The time that the US Navy was untochable is over.
Ahmed Tupajic yeah but maybe a single or a few battles a full on war tho would be a loss for that nation. Congrats nations can pull Carthage type shi don’t mean Rome didn’t ultimately win 😂
Chris Miller bruh as an American, thinking America is always the best is toxic, if they were would N. Korea be in existence? Would China be a threat? Would a trade war have any effect? Should America have entered WW2 if they would have destroyed them later anyway? Why would we need allies? Thinking that the exercises are to make others look better is stupid, the most important thing from your “America is best” view would be having a good image. That would tarnish it.
Sweden's last true super weapon was ABBA.
I'd be more specific: A A.
I thought they were from New Zealand lol
dont forget IKEA
and their swedish meatballs
Codename Super Trooper Project.
The ronald reagan has more fighter jets than the intire dutch airforce😂😂
Great.. That is called keeping all eggs in one basket and it means, that whole group can be roasted by one single 500kton torpedo or something like P700 missile :)
MMoran just fire 10 more missiles 😬
and its not like all 10 carriers are going to anywhere near eachother at the same time
Nik Chd I love how americans are so proud about their military whilst being almost 600 billion dollars in debt and it‘s expected to rise to almost 800 billions until 2020. Everyone can spend money he doesn‘t have on his military.
TDFXX Not everyone has such a powerful economy others are willing to lend them money even when they're 600 billion in the hole.
Now we are learning millitary tech. Hell yeah!