Maybe she didnt feel confident for more lines? She left the leader position too so she might feel bad or smt this era... I hope Next time she owns the era
This was such a sad comeback for E:U biased forevers. Shes no longer leader and she was given such little lines within the album and in dont ask dont tell she was given literally less than 5 seconds and her lines wasnt even a proper line. Thank God her Rap in First was top notch
If you don’t mind me asking, why isn’t E:U the leader anymore? I’m a FOREVER but I kind of took a step away from Everglow for a while and haven’t been keeping up with them from the end of La Di Da era up to now. What happened?
@@Lyssa3Lynn according to their showcase e:u said that she felt she wasn’t strong enough so she gave sihyeon the role of leader. she said that she will support her as the eldest of the group
This! Stone doesn’t appreciate E:U at all and that makes me mad. And this album was only made for Mia and Sihyeon like come on there is six members not only two!
I feel so bad for E:U this era. She got basically nothing on the b-sides and like half of her lines on the title track are ad libs and back up parts, she got barely any focus time in the mv, she was in the back or to the side a lot in the choreo despite being MAIN DANCER, and only had a tiny rap part as her one moment to shine. I hope she gets more next comeback, shes main dancer and main rapper yet she consistently gets such small parts and this is the worst time yet.
Onda isn't my bias (Mia is) but i'm very happy for her. she's a lead vocal but has been mistreated since Adios era. finally the company is giving her lines. on the other hand, i'm sad for E:U like wth happened????
@mmaatteeoo that's true, at one point kprofiles accidentally wrote "lead vocal" for onda but I think it was a mistake since she's never been treated like a lead vocal.
Jiwon has a lot of potential in singing, why does Yuehua kept on insisting all she can sing is "Everglow" and random 2 second repetitive lines. HER SKILLS ARE MORE THAN THAT!!!!!!
E:U's lines are TRASH in this album. Besides her one rap verse and adlibs in First, poor girl only has 4 seconds of adlibs in don't ask don't tell and practically no lines in please please cause she only harmonizes in it.
I mean... Theres 3 songs only and she only raps and her raps are usually split with aisha, so yeah, she could get more, but I'm not shocked at all. If each of her rap last 15 seconds, she would get 45 seconds, so yeah, if she won't sing, that's not surpsingly at all.
Yep aisha gets many iconic parts so no one thinks she should get more but i think she could get some vocal lines since she's the 3rd best vocalist in everglow.
@@russie9989 she actually doesn't shine that much. She has some of the most iconic parts in title tracks and all but in bsides she doesn't shine a lot(except for player). In album distributions shes generally 4/5. Ik thats not bad at all compared to some members and tbh no matter how many lines she gets her voice always catches my attention but it'd be nice to hear some more of her vocals. Of course Onda deserves attention and I'm happy she got better treatment this era(she's the 2nd/3rd best dancer and a great performer). Yuehea should just get better vocal coaches so they can balance the line distributions. I'd love to hear Yiren, E:U, Onda and Aisha getting some choruses.
@@russie9989 yeah but still, YUEHUA are not showcasing her true potential. Aisha can even take 1 part from the chorus since she's lead vocal material. All she get was really short verse. And for me, yes onda shine a bit for this era and she deserves it.
Ikr? Her stage presence and charisma was great during BBC and Adios. I can still remember how Fierce her facial expression when she is in the center during the first beat drop in Adios, and when she slayed her iconic part and dance in BBC. Her vibe in Dun Dun as main rapper is so awesome also. But since La Di Da, seems like something happened, it going downhill since then. It leads the forever to think that only Mia and Yiren who only have great stage presence to take the center (No hate to them), I mean seems like YueHua forgot how E:U slayed her center part in BBC and Adios
@@wallaceavila6560 Certain styles of music or certain lines just don't fit with some voices. I'm a singer myself (not professional, I sang in a choir for seven years and now I sing solo songs in church) and I can only sing ballads. The vocal range also plays an important role. I'm a soprano, I am not able to hit deeper notes. Maybe we just haven't heard Ondas voice with the ideal style of music or in her ideal vocal range. Plus, when I'm nervous or feeling insecure about my singing, my singing usually is worse and my true singing voice does not really shine. Im the demo version of Adios Onda sounds uncomfortable. Maybe she became insecure about her singing after Bon bon chocolat and is slowly becoming more confident.
@@verdorrterbaum1731 Agree with you. I really do think the demo version isn't that polished or Onda is going through something (we never knew) and I think it's in the audio editing (autotune) that made her sounded like a dying cow. But I really believe in Onda's potential, I actually kinda imagine her and Mia sharing Prechoruses like in Adios and Dundun. I agree with all the explanations you said as I believe these are true facts especially coming from you, which u said you are a singer.
She doesnt have potential to be lead, sometimes i think that even aisha is a better singer than her. No hate, i just see her this way, Yehua needs to train Onda, Yiren and Aisha better in vocal
The songs in this album were more vocal based so it makes sense for EU to get less lines, they made up for her less lines by giving her 20 seconds in first which is a lot and a rap song but for the bsides they very vocal based with little to no rap so it would be hard for EU to get lines in those
Mia and Sihyeon are getting way too much lines tbh. This is already their 4th cb and from debut until now this is always the case and it's not healthy anymore, Sihyeon and Mia getting 2/3 of the song and Yiren, Aisha, Onda, and E:U will all just share on the remaining 1/3. I understand that the Mia and Sihyeon are part of the vocal lines but they're getting way too many unnecessary lines that could've been given to other members.
Not really, sure sihyeon and mia got a ton of lines but for onda yiren and aisha, getting over 60 seconds of lines is a lot because that means they got 20+ seconds for those songs which is decent. As for EU, she got a lot of lines in the title teach but the bsides had little to no rap so it makes sense for EU to get less and is balanced out with the title track, though aisha deserves a bit more since she is the third best vocalist in everglow but this is still very good
Bc they are the most skilled members in the group and their voice fits the song the best? Dont btch around other members can't have their lines the skills gap is huge
YUEHUA we said give onda more lines not give onda more lines and take away another members lines. WHEN WILL U START MAKING EVERGLOW'S LINE DISTRIBUTIONS FAIR BUT STILL GIVE MIA AND SIHYEON THE MOST LINES??!!
I hate how much I was waiting for this álbum and now I came a solo stan, Onda deserves better and maybe this is the worst comeback for E:U, now shes not the leader anymore :((
@@hueningbahibitch onda is sub vocal and lead dancer and got more lines and a dance break. e:u is main rapper and main dancer and got less lines and not a dance break yet. onda stand shouldn't be the ones complaining.
Mia always gets the most lines. In every single comeback. Sihyeon too. Nothing against them, I think they're both super talented. But I think it's unfair and the other members don't get to shine as much. I've noticed that there are so many lines given to Mia that could have easily been given to other members. Its just my opinion!!!!!
Es el peor comeback para E:U... Es mi bias y siempre me he quejado de sus pocos momentos para brillar y sus pocas líneas. Pero sin duda este comeback ha sido el peor ya que ya no es líder y no brilla nada en el álbum. Están desperdiciando su talento debemos de hacer lo mismo que con Onda para que se den cuenta de que tiene una joya!
Estoy muy preocupada por ella, se la nota muy desanimada Compara la era de Adiós con First, en Adiós tuvo al menos un rap decente, tuvo centro en el baile y en First un pito weon, el rap 2 segundos de lo rápido que es, y en el centro esta como 3 segundos
1 Album = 1 person era Arrival of Everglow : Yiren HUSH : Aisha REMINISCENCE : Mia -77.82X-78.29 : Sihyeon Last Melody : Onda And the next will be Yena era(?) first and then E:U's Stop complain bcs someone last in a album, y'all need patient
@mmaatteeoo i understand that she's a sub vocal, but this person was probably just complimenting her/hyping her up.....maybe your intentions weren't to be rude but it kinda comes off like that. if the original commenter was actually trying to imply onda was lead vocal, that would be untrue. but i feel like they were just praising her since she got more lines this album, you know? like when a vocal line member raps, we might call them "main rapper" just for fun. it doesn't mean you actually think they are the real main rapper
@mmaatteeoo but you're still not understanding what i'm saying.....the original commenter might have just been hyping Onda up. If one of my biases who isn't the main vocal has really good vocals on a song, I might jokingly say "main vocal queen" or whatever. It's just not that serious. If you are just trying to prevent misinformation, that's fine, but it also seems like you just don't understand when people are joking/not being serious. but whatever, i'm sure your intentions were good
I am sick and tired of everyone is arguing about line distribution, and how it is unfair for one member this era or that era. Can you just support the group as a whole and not complain about how much time each member has on each song. If they did a fair line distribution the songs would drastically sound different than they are now, and I would bet anybody that they would still find something wrong with it. This was in fact the best come back this year for a girl group (in my opinion of coarse) and if you drastically change the sound just for fair line distribution I don't feel you would get the same impact as you would when you first heard the song. So please put away all the petty argument and support our girls, because you are hurting them more than helping.
![Fifth Harmony ~ All Songs Line Distribution [from Miss Movin' On to Down]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/H9anOcRJfz0/mqdefault.jpg)
![Fifth Harmony ~ All Songs Line Distribution [from Miss Movin' On to Down]](/img/tr.png)
![Little Mix ~ All Songs Line Distribution [from Wings to Between Us]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AFTpG6rFU-s/mqdefault.jpg)
And now this is better!
Also, onda getting more lines here than the last 2 albums together 😂
Ikr😂😂😂
well a few seconds less
@@hyunjinity7424 3 songs vs 8 songs, you got my point
Mia had more lines in 1 song than onda did in the entire title track put together
@@alovegreat955 mia is the main vocalist while onda is a sub vocalist... do u expect jihyo and tzuyu to have the same amount of lines??
i repeat: onda OWNED this era!!!❤
Period😭😭😭😭 let's wait for EU's era now
Yes
@Jarvis
In my opinion it's more like
bbc = mia
adios = yiren
dun dun = mia (& yiren)
la di da= sihyeon (& aisha)
first = onda
??? = e:u
Could be E:U era or Yena, we don't know if Yena will be in the next release
PERIODT
YUEHUA, we told you to give some lines to ONDA not telling you that deduct E:U part and only give some ad-libs part to her in B-sides
Maybe she didnt feel confident for more lines? She left the leader position too so she might feel bad or smt this era... I hope Next time she owns the era
@@dumbassslut1210 Can you tell me why EVERGLOW suddenly changed their leader?
@@Hidetorika E:U stated that it wasn't a position for her so the new leader is Sihyeon
@@Koko-zt7re ohhh so sihyeon is the new leader, i didn't even know that
yuh
They should give E:U more lines ):
This was such a sad comeback for E:U biased forevers. Shes no longer leader and she was given such little lines within the album and in dont ask dont tell she was given literally less than 5 seconds and her lines wasnt even a proper line. Thank God her Rap in First was top notch
If you don’t mind me asking, why isn’t E:U the leader anymore? I’m a FOREVER but I kind of took a step away from Everglow for a while and haven’t been keeping up with them from the end of La Di Da era up to now. What happened?
@@Lyssa3Lynn according to their showcase e:u said that she felt she wasn’t strong enough so she gave sihyeon the role of leader. she said that she will support her as the eldest of the group
This! Stone doesn’t appreciate E:U at all and that makes me mad. And this album was only made for Mia and Sihyeon like come on there is six members not only two!
@@inari869 EVERGLOW'S agency is Yeuhua not Stone Music Ent
@@inari869 it was made for onda too tho, they saw all the complaint for her and made songs that would give her more lines
I feel so bad for E:U this era. She got basically nothing on the b-sides and like half of her lines on the title track are ad libs and back up parts, she got barely any focus time in the mv, she was in the back or to the side a lot in the choreo despite being MAIN DANCER, and only had a tiny rap part as her one moment to shine. I hope she gets more next comeback, shes main dancer and main rapper yet she consistently gets such small parts and this is the worst time yet.
Onda isn't my bias (Mia is) but i'm very happy for her. she's a lead vocal but has been mistreated since Adios era. finally the company is giving her lines. on the other hand, i'm sad for E:U like wth happened????
Onda is not a Lead Vocalist her Positions are Lead Dancer , Sub Vocalist , Visual
I agree with you, except onda isn't a lead vocal. That position is only to sihyeon now.
@@gigidannii she used to be:(
@mmaatteeoo that's true, at one point kprofiles accidentally wrote "lead vocal" for onda but I think it was a mistake since she's never been treated like a lead vocal.
@@pinklemonaze9982 In Bon Bon Chocolat era she was treated like a lead vocalist
Yeuhua have to learn how distribute the lines, but at least Onda is not last
Onda has lines. I repeat, Onda has lines!!!!
They have done E:U dirty
Onda owned this era periodt
Jiwon has a lot of potential in singing, why does Yuehua kept on insisting all she can sing is "Everglow" and random 2 second repetitive lines. HER SKILLS ARE MORE THAN THAT!!!!!!
ONDA DOMINATED THE BSIDES OMGGGG
E:U's lines are TRASH in this album. Besides her one rap verse and adlibs in First, poor girl only has 4 seconds of adlibs in don't ask don't tell and practically no lines in please please cause she only harmonizes in it.
I know I'm so sad :(
Agreed
Even her lines in First are mostly background noise that people can hardly notice. So sad though
she literally has two main positions and yet she barely gets anything. idk it feels like someone at yuehua hates her.
I can’t stand this album, my girl E:U deserves better
Yuehua Ent:Should we give the lines to onda or E U hmmm
fans:ONDA ONDA
Yuehua:ok Onda
Yuehua listened for once!
BuT E U has low
Yessss ONDAAAAAAAAAA❤️❤️❤️
Aisha always be my bias💞
E:U don't even sing 1 minute on the album
Well, 40 seconds in 3 songs is pretty decent imo
I mean... Theres 3 songs only and she only raps and her raps are usually split with aisha, so yeah, she could get more, but I'm not shocked at all. If each of her rap last 15 seconds, she would get 45 seconds, so yeah, if she won't sing, that's not surpsingly at all.
@@Juliana-tf7zh yass and the other songs are not a ‘rap’ song
@@Oliver-uz1fs 40 secs in 3 songs : Rapper, adlibs/background vocal, together with onda ( please please )
please look for previous album
it hurts to be e:u biased
yes :(
yes
yes..
onda finally get what she deserves as lead vocalist 💞
EVERGLOW FOREVERS LET'S GO! STAN EVERGLOW, LAST MELODY IS THE PERFECTION, SO AMAZING! I LOVE SO MUCH EVERGLOW ♡♡♡♡♡♡
Aisha was third in vocal ranking and still she didn't get to shine in this album :(
Yep aisha gets many iconic parts so no one thinks she should get more but i think she could get some vocal lines since she's the 3rd best vocalist in everglow.
@@meimai5139 periodt! YUEHUA should showcase Aisha as vocalist more. Hopefully next album Aisha will got her spotlight tho
Aisha shines so much in other Albums maybe this time it was better for onda to shine a bit more.
@@russie9989 she actually doesn't shine that much. She has some of the most iconic parts in title tracks and all but in bsides she doesn't shine a lot(except for player). In album distributions shes generally 4/5. Ik thats not bad at all compared to some members and tbh no matter how many lines she gets her voice always catches my attention but it'd be nice to hear some more of her vocals. Of course Onda deserves attention and I'm happy she got better treatment this era(she's the 2nd/3rd best dancer and a great performer). Yuehea should just get better vocal coaches so they can balance the line distributions. I'd love to hear Yiren, E:U, Onda and Aisha getting some choruses.
@@russie9989 yeah but still, YUEHUA are not showcasing her true potential. Aisha can even take 1 part from the chorus since she's lead vocal material. All she get was really short verse. And for me, yes onda shine a bit for this era and she deserves it.
Onda being treated like an actual member? Huh
But compare to Ladida,E.U changed a lot,her vibe changed a lot. idk but she look less confident than before?!
and she also kept getting less line.
i’m worried for her
I believe she is upset that company is not trusting her talent, she is always so low in these distributions
Ikr? Her stage presence and charisma was great during BBC and Adios. I can still remember how Fierce her facial expression when she is in the center during the first beat drop in Adios, and when she slayed her iconic part and dance in BBC. Her vibe in Dun Dun as main rapper is so awesome also. But since La Di Da, seems like something happened, it going downhill since then. It leads the forever to think that only Mia and Yiren who only have great stage presence to take the center (No hate to them), I mean seems like YueHua forgot how E:U slayed her center part in BBC and Adios
@@sunsetvine6923 i think she might be going through something i think she still slays just we don’t get to see her in centre anymore
i would be so pissed if I would be talented, skilled, had trained for a billion years and not get one minute of solo time on an album.
Onda getting center part in the song in dance break
Onda shined a lot!!!!!Her facial expression is so good too deserve
My fave ranked first and Onda third!!! I’m so happy for her, she finally got to sing more!!!
Not even a minute for E:U
E:U doesn't deserve this as main rapper and main dancer she is very talented let her show yehua
ONDAAAAAAAA
YUEHUA BRING BACK ONDA'S LEAD VOCAL POSITION!
Yes!!
sihyeon is the only lead vocalist and will always be. the adios demo proved that onda can only be sub vocalist.
@@wallaceavila6560 Certain styles of music or certain lines just don't fit with some voices.
I'm a singer myself (not professional, I sang in a choir for seven years and now I sing solo songs in church) and I can only sing ballads.
The vocal range also plays an important role. I'm a soprano, I am not able to hit deeper notes. Maybe we just haven't heard Ondas voice with the ideal style of music or in her ideal vocal range.
Plus, when I'm nervous or feeling insecure about my singing, my singing usually is worse and my true singing voice does not really shine.
Im the demo version of Adios Onda sounds uncomfortable. Maybe she became insecure about her singing after Bon bon chocolat and is slowly becoming more confident.
@@verdorrterbaum1731 Agree with you. I really do think the demo version isn't that polished or Onda is going through something (we never knew) and I think it's in the audio editing (autotune) that made her sounded like a dying cow. But I really believe in Onda's potential, I actually kinda imagine her and Mia sharing Prechoruses like in Adios and Dundun.
I agree with all the explanations you said as I believe these are true facts especially coming from you, which u said you are a singer.
She doesnt have potential to be lead, sometimes i think that even aisha is a better singer than her. No hate, i just see her this way, Yehua needs to train Onda, Yiren and Aisha better in vocal
This is really good expect for E:U :(
40 seconds in 3 songs... why does one girl get absolutely nothing every comeback I don’t get it
ikr, but ig she didn't feel comfortable bc she isn't even leader anymore
The songs in this album were more vocal based so it makes sense for EU to get less lines, they made up for her less lines by giving her 20 seconds in first which is a lot and a rap song but for the bsides they very vocal based with little to no rap so it would be hard for EU to get lines in those
@@hueningbahibitch she is actually the 5 best vocalist in everglow
@@hanmira being the 5th best isn’t good when there’s 6 members, yes yiren is the worst but she’s Center so she needs to get repetitive and easy lines
@@hueningbahibitch center doesn't equal to getting a lot of lines
Mia and Sihyeon are getting way too much lines tbh. This is already their 4th cb and from debut until now this is always the case and it's not healthy anymore, Sihyeon and Mia getting 2/3 of the song and Yiren, Aisha, Onda, and E:U will all just share on the remaining 1/3.
I understand that the Mia and Sihyeon are part of the vocal lines but they're getting way too many unnecessary lines that could've been given to other members.
i agree
Yeah this was like Mia and Sihyeon feat their backup dancers/harmonizers
Not really, sure sihyeon and mia got a ton of lines but for onda yiren and aisha, getting over 60 seconds of lines is a lot because that means they got 20+ seconds for those songs which is decent. As for EU, she got a lot of lines in the title teach but the bsides had little to no rap so it makes sense for EU to get less and is balanced out with the title track, though aisha deserves a bit more since she is the third best vocalist in everglow but this is still very good
Bc they are the most skilled members in the group and their voice fits the song the best?
Dont btch around other members can't have their lines the skills gap is huge
this is disgusting i’m so angry eu deserves way better i can’t believe it she isn’t even leader now
ONDA HAVING LINES IS MY FAVORITE CONCEPT✌
Onda❤️
Onda was given a bigger time to shine and stole the spotlight on this comeback. I'm so happy for her!🥺💕
but eu deserves more lines too :((
YUEHUA we said give onda more lines not give onda more lines and take away another members lines. WHEN WILL U START MAKING EVERGLOW'S LINE DISTRIBUTIONS FAIR BUT STILL GIVE MIA AND SIHYEON THE MOST LINES??!!
What fans say: yehua, please give lines do onda, E:U and yiren
What yehua listen: please give lines to onda or E:U or yiren
Por fin le dan líneas a onda
I hate how much I was waiting for this álbum and now I came a solo stan, Onda deserves better and maybe this is the worst comeback for E:U, now shes not the leader anymore :((
Why ΣVΣRδLOW suddenly changed the leader?
Onda deserves better? She got so much lines this album
@@hueningbahibitch onda is sub vocal and lead dancer and got more lines and a dance break. e:u is main rapper and main dancer and got less lines and not a dance break yet. onda stand shouldn't be the ones complaining.
@@wallaceavila6560 ikr she’s actually being treated well know, it’s honestly EU who needs more this time
Boring ass solo stan
People need to realize just because the song doesn't hve rap, does not mean E:U doesn't have to sing!
Onda
Can I request to make a tutorial on how to make your statistics animation? From bar graph to line chart?
Mia always gets the most lines. In every single comeback. Sihyeon too. Nothing against them, I think they're both super talented. But I think it's unfair and the other members don't get to shine as much. I've noticed that there are so many lines given to Mia that could have easily been given to other members. Its just my opinion!!!!!
Onda in the first song he got 15.2 seconds, because on Mnet he was in the 'you got me now' section that was Onda's part Please fix
Smoothh
actually yiren was fourth in please please and sihyeon first in dont ask dont tell
ONDA is finally claiming that "First Sub Vocalist" position 😭😭😭
EVERGLOW FANS?
👇
What a great line distribution! Mia shined in this album.
Es el peor comeback para E:U... Es mi bias y siempre me he quejado de sus pocos momentos para brillar y sus pocas líneas. Pero sin duda este comeback ha sido el peor ya que ya no es líder y no brilla nada en el álbum. Están desperdiciando su talento debemos de hacer lo mismo que con Onda para que se den cuenta de que tiene una joya!
Estoy muy preocupada por ella, se la nota muy desanimada
Compara la era de Adiós con First, en Adiós tuvo al menos un rap decente, tuvo centro en el baile y en First un pito weon, el rap 2 segundos de lo rápido que es, y en el centro esta como 3 segundos
3 songs = album everglow
6 songs = mini album twice
Actually Last Melody is a mini album.
@@a.6765 oh I didn't know
i was so exited for this comeback this was such a let down the line Distribution was awful
Don't worry guys, Yena will join the group and lines will be better !
is it confirmed already?
@@jjy3397 not yet
But I low-key hope she can join
This is wrong. The difference of Mia and Sihyeon in Don't Ask Don't Tell is only 1-2 seconds. Sihyeon actually has a lot of adlibs at the end.
Yasssss
ONDA IS NOT LAST. I REPEAT, ONDA IS NOT LAST.
1 Album = 1 person era
Arrival of Everglow : Yiren
HUSH : Aisha
REMINISCENCE : Mia
-77.82X-78.29 : Sihyeon
Last Melody : Onda
And the next will be Yena era(?) first and then E:U's
Stop complain bcs someone last in a album, y'all need patient
@Mia biased Forever Yea, izone redebut for sure
Onda lead vocalist
@mmaatteeoo Não 😍
@mmaatteeoo i understand that she's a sub vocal, but this person was probably just complimenting her/hyping her up.....maybe your intentions weren't to be rude but it kinda comes off like that. if the original commenter was actually trying to imply onda was lead vocal, that would be untrue. but i feel like they were just praising her since she got more lines this album, you know? like when a vocal line member raps, we might call them "main rapper" just for fun. it doesn't mean you actually think they are the real main rapper
@mmaatteeoo but you're still not understanding what i'm saying.....the original commenter might have just been hyping Onda up. If one of my biases who isn't the main vocal has really good vocals on a song, I might jokingly say "main vocal queen" or whatever. It's just not that serious. If you are just trying to prevent misinformation, that's fine, but it also seems like you just don't understand when people are joking/not being serious. but whatever, i'm sure your intentions were good
Onda ❤️
I am sick and tired of everyone is arguing about line distribution, and how it is unfair for one member this era or that era. Can you just support the group as a whole and not complain about how much time each member has on each song. If they did a fair line distribution the songs would drastically sound different than they are now, and I would bet anybody that they would still find something wrong with it. This was in fact the best come back this year for a girl group (in my opinion of coarse) and if you drastically change the sound just for fair line distribution I don't feel you would get the same impact as you would when you first heard the song. So please put away all the petty argument and support our girls, because you are hurting them more than helping.