This transmission, like most automatics, seeks and holds it's one to one ratio if possible when under load. 7th gear is the one to one in this transmission. The reason being that it is neither an under or overdrive. Therefore it is the strongest gear.The program management, by design goes to and stays in 7th as long as it can. Keep up your good work! Very good video!
Question if it one-to-one is the main shaft locked to the output? ( I'm think of how the Borg_Warner works here and applying that logic to automatic ). So if it 1-2-1 direct that engine rpm is what the driver shaft would be spinning at here.
@@anymanusa If the gears are the same size, one will not exert superior power on the other. Thus the one to one ratio is always the strongest and least heat and stress producing gear.
Regarding the exhaust brake, in another video a Ford engineer talks about there being 3 different settings for it (full strength, auto, etc). I think he said you cycle through them by pressing the button repeatedly. Check your owners manual when you get a chance.
Id disagree, I had a 19 F350 SRW that towed a 44ft 5th wheel at roughly 14,000 loaded and I would always use the engine brake on automatic and we go to an area that has 3 very steep hills and on decent of these hills I started out doing fine but about 40-50 yards down I was going about 10+ mph faster and tap the brake again and watch my rpm's go to about 4,000+, I thought it was going to scatter the engine all over the road. This was starting out around 40mph. It got so bad Id take the tow/haul mode off and just keep the engine brake on. Now I have a 22 F450 with 10 speed and hoping this isn't so rough on the truck.
@@jandblawncare8570 you should be fine or I should say you should have a more comfortable experience with it. 19 is six speed the 22 is a 10 speed. When I’m auto exhaust brake you tap the brake it down shifts and holds gears better. Plus now more gears to choose from 😉 I love my 22 f350 crew cab long bed with the powerstroke We nicknamed it “mini semi”
as a Ram guy since 2006 I been keeping an eye on the 6.7 fords since 2018.. after this new third gen 6.7 with new turbo an a few other things especially the 10 speed ford really had my attention , and now after seeing this truck really at work its time for a test drive, thank you Tow Piglet!
I was a Ram guy also. My oldest son had a 2004 Ram 2500 long box & my youngest son had a 2006 Ram 3500 long box & my brother still has his 2005 Ram 3500 long box. Mind you he has paid for his 2005 TWICE with all the $$$ he has spent on over & under drives, lift kit, bigger wheels & tires, $9k rebuilding the tranny, adding remote starter (TWICE) adding back up camera (ONE) cause none of that stuff came with the 2005s. I was in 2014 Ram 3500 MegaCab with HO 6.7L Cummins® Turbo Diesel with AISIN AS69RC & it was a beast for pulling. I absolutely loved my MegaCab. Switched to Ford F350 Limited in 2018 when maintenance costs start kicking in on the Ram. I just got the new 2020 F350 Platinum with new PowerStroke Jan 15. The difference between the 2020 & the 2018 is astonishing. The 2020 F350 Platinum has way more pick up & go than the 2018 & 2019. The new third-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke turbodiesel V8 now puts out 475 hp and 1050 lb-ft.. It has a new turbo, new internals and a new 36,000-psi fueling system to deliver power; the outgoing 2019 engine was rated for 450 hp and 935 lb-ft. Also the 2020 10-speed transmission adds extra driving modes: Slippery, Deep Sand and Snow, and Eco. I have been using Eco mode when I am not towing & I've been getting 12.0 litres/100km (equals 19.6 USA miles per gallon) on tank of diesel. I love that the mirrors now "Auto Fold" as soon as I lock the truck. The new headlights are also way brighter as I am constantly being flashed for having High Beams on when I am Low Beam. The massaging front seats are very soothing on long trips or even in the city sitting at all those red lights. IN MY OPINION, Ram still has a way to go to catch up with Ford on the comfort & practical side of things. On the RAM, I hated having to go outside & swing up mirrors & re-adjust them all when towing & then switch everything back when not towing.
@@kevinlauzon7665 great info Kevin thanks! this has to be the fourth or fifth time I've herd that the new 2020 Powerstroke is much better than the 1st and even 2nd gen Powerstrokes but then to add mpg's! man you guys are making me so curious I've never driven one!! aand I like the new front end look for 2020 much better..My payment is coming up on my 18 Ram an its going to be hard to not pay it and head to a dealer! thanks guys! lol
I would compare my 2022, Dodge diesel to that truck. I can't say mine would out do yours but I do care about MPG. Reliability but we both know NOTHING beats the Dodge diesel break.. Your engine seems to struggle sometimes but other times it seems very smooth but your RPM's is excellent. Good review! oh I have the Aisin transmission mated with a 3.73 rear end. I'm told I bought the wrong rear end but hauling a truck camper I thought 3.73 was best. Oh, I average 13.2 MPG hauling a 3600 hundred pound truck camper. When I figured it up, it was actually right around 13.9, which is good but no mountains but not flat. I'm not sure those gauges are right in ANY truck.
Bro this comparison was with the Chrysler 68RFE tranny….. Which is pure junk. Pair the Cummins up with the Aisin and this video would have a different context. Fords 10 speed is absolute junk.
@@diamondhead203 I agree that the 68 and 10 speed have been less than stellar. Having owned a 68, they are nice when they work right. I bought a 2016 f350 6.7 and have not looked back.
Hi Alex, video well done. I really do appreciate how you strive to improve on the quality of your videos. But, you already do a better job of it than most youtubers, so thanks. And WOW, what a great truck that is. Nice.
Having pulled a trailer up those passes, I found a new route and will not pull drive that way unless I have too. For a beautiful, easy drive, take highway 200 from Sandpoint to Missoula.
@Xxplicit I think it's kind of a tortois vs hare thing. The Cummins isn't as fast but it's strong. Wheras the Powerstoke makes speed freaks happy but sacrifices longevity to do it.
How about burning extra fuel, and suffocating the exhaust, replacing engines more often and all the precious metals to build the exhaust system to save the environment. Bunch of BS
With all the safety features of today's vehicles they don't recommend using cruise control when there's possibly freezing temperatures. Maybe this is why the truck kept slowing down in the climb. You spoke about temperatures being low so definitely try it in the summertime!
Well done. I have a f450 10 speed pull 15500 lbs rv. And usually get 10+ mpg and it performs great. It's about 2 mpg better than my f350 6 speed. I drive from Albany Or. To Wickenburg Az. The highest pass is 7100 ft.
Well, I just got a 2020 f450 with 7.3 gas engine, 10 speed, 4.88 rears, the thing goes up the grapevine in California (7%) about 45mph pulling 21,500 gross truck and trailer, averaging 9 mpg, being gas cheaper than diesel in most places and no having to deal with diesel emissions any more, 7.3 gas is a diesel killer for me
Looking forward to getting a 2022. Always wait a few years after any manufacturer comes out with something new cause it takes that long to work out any kinks they didn't find in the test faves.
Most cruise controls programs from the factory has a soft droop setting in it where it will allow so much of a percentage change. I don't know about Ford but with the Detroit diesel you can change the droop percentage for cruise control through manual reprogramming. Hope this helps.
I drive a 2018 Ford 3500 single rear wheel with a Power Stroke 6.7 for an RV dealer here in Montana. This is a very interesting video because yesterday March 6, 2020 I delivered a 5th wheel trailer from Missoula to Billings a distance of 352 miles and returned with an Airstream Classic back to Missoula. Total round trip mileage was 700 on the odometer and 704 on Google maps. I start with a full tank and fill up again before returning to the yard. Total fuel used was 65.908 gal for a mileage of 10.62 to 10.68 mpg depending on the mileage of 700 or 704. I travel at 68 but vary between 55 and 72 depending on road conditions. Travel trailers have a lot more windage so I expect lower mpg. I'm not for hire so I don't cross the scales but I estimate the gross weight (truck and trailer) with the 5th wheel at 23,000 lbs and 18,000 lbs. with the Airstream. Both trailers were about 32' long. I crossed the Butte pass (Homestake pass) twice, once each way so the driving conditions are roughly similar to your video. I think the lower mileage I'm getting is due to the increased frontal area. I really like the new 10 speed but I only have a 6 speed auto and I think it does fine. I'm a RAM guy myself and have a 2011 Dodge 3500 single rear wheel that I use for towing personal stuff but I have to tell you the Dodge R68 transmission is its' biggest drawback. It is constantly shifting up and down. The only good way to go up a pass is to select a gear manually and leave it there. Ford is heads above RAM in regards to the transmission. All shifts in the Ford are silky smooth vs the RAM where it SLAMS into a lower gear and the RPMS jump by 1,000. Sounds like the TCU is trying to break something. I do think RAM has a better engine (Jake) brake. I would like someone who has a RAM 4500 or 5500 with the Isuzu transmission post a review. I think the Isuzu trans could be a major improvement. A RAM 4500 with that transmission would be a 500k truck. Just my 2 cents worth. John Schubert
We are picking up our 2020 F 450 on Friday. Won't be towing for a couple of weeks but I'll let you know how it does. We have a 49ft 5th wheel at 30,000 lb + truck. The 2016 F450 average was 7,6 mpg. And 15 empty.
Can't wait to hear. Are you able to get the new Lane keep assist with automatic Lane centering on that truck plus the adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go. I want that Tesla technology on my new truck.
@@redwood6737 Yes it has the lane assist but to be but to be honest it's pretty week. The wheel vibration is very light in a car it might be fine. It will be awhile before I can tow the trailer I have to redo the the gooseneck on the trailer. This F450 is about 3 taller and bed being an inch-and-a-half deeper than the 2016 F450 makes me wander who do they think their audience is this is a work truck that you load stuff in and out of daily. Not everyone wants to or can lift a bag cement the extra 3 inches day in and out.
I know this is a bit late but in my owner's manual book for my 2020 7.3 10 speed, it says the 10 speed transmission needs time to learn (assuming your driving habit) and if you disconnect the battery or power it has to relearn your driving again. So in that moment it could of had a moment of learning and that's why it slowed down up hill.
Your at a steeper elevation so the transmission and engine Need to be at a lower to torque to pull the steep incline. Excellent Video Love Seeing the views from different locations.Thank you for What you Do Man.
I know it's not the same transmission but I drove a 19 Ford Ranger with a 10 speed as a rental the 10 speed was no joke it down shifts when you need it to quick and gives you the perfect gear I was impressed with the fuel economy or milage the ecoboost was amazing.
@@jakescott4800 that is awesome to hear. I plan on getting a 2020 f450 or a 203 wheelbase 550 "If they force Hotshot to go CDL" Government always messing things up.
I bet you the trans is programmed for fuel efficiency. See if the dealer can program a more aggressive map for pulling vs trying to keep it in the highest gear possible at all times
You guys don't get it. Yes get back on right side. But under all that heavy weight you want to keep momentum. If ur going up a hill 35 miles per hour and u slow down. Ur truck will.have a very hard.time keeping speed, and worst fear is if slows down enough to where u lose speed and cant get up. So if.u got momentum keep it going don't stop
@@dudove1 yea I get it but it was like 5 mins of no one in the right lane to slow him down at all and he's way under max tow on that truck with his non cdl weight limits that truck will never not make it up that hill with those weights.
@@gagt5spd I do what he does. Yes no one in front he should change lanes. But worst scenario is slippery surface, approaching a slow semi and u cant change lanes cause cars blocking. It's dangerous too. So safer bet is to kinda hog the left lane especially when u mobbing 55-70 mph.
I like the newer trucks that have the manual gear selector, I always find a comfortable gear that provides enough torque and speed for our pass and just leave it there. Our pass is 7% grade over 8 miles.
Alex just out of Curiosity. If I'm not mistaken. Your trailer is rated for 12k. On your scale ticket. It reads that your trailer weight is at 12,260lbs. I know your still under 26klbs however can DOT give you grief about being over 260lbs over on your trailer?
Diesel fuel is quit a bit cheaper if you go to exit 1 in Post Falls at the Maverick. Ex: Today Flying J $2.65 per gallon at exit 2 , Maverick at exit 1 is $1.99 per gallon. Gas Buddy app works great for finding cheapest fuel.
Those passes ain't no joke either. I pull biggest U-Haul filled to the max and a old ford ranger on a full trailer through there. We used a V10 gasser and got like 6MPG.
Wow, 11.4mpg at almost 26k gvw; that's really impressive! I towed my 95 Cummins back from Springfield, Mo with a 2018 F150 crew cab 4wd, 10 speed auto, and had to fuel up with 93 octane and work the manual shift mode to get 11mpg avg on the way back.
While months old. In MT IIRC St Regis area. How did you like the tight curves? 45 mph on interstate because sharp curves. Cars going 80, then slamming on brakes 2/3 thru curve. If truck speed limit 45, maybe folks in cars should consider under 60 mph?
As you know, my Ram will hold 55 miles an hour through the gorge on 26 in North Carolina and Tennessee hauling 14000 lbs using my cruise control. Just sayin. Good fuel mileage in the Ford especially over the mountain loaded, I'm a little surprised. Good video
Ford will love that you run a 6.7 liter engine over 3 grand to pull hills. Start saving for that overhaul. Second, automatics, as you are starting to learn, aren't the best tool for pulling hills. Manuals are. Everybody bought automatics so that's what you get. A manual transmission will always give you the best performance if you know how to use it. Simple, more gears = more control. A V8 with shorter piston throws will not generally have the stronger engine brake. Just a fact. The Cummins is a 6 Cyl. The Ford is an 8. Cummins for that reason will have the better brake. Fun test. Would like to see you do the test in better road conditions etc.
I have an 18 F350 and haul a travel trailer loaded is about 18k combined 27k. I get 7 or 8 miles to the gallon. Honestly a little disjointed was hopping for 10 or 12. Still love the truck.
Hi Alex, so far it looks like the ford is a winner. Your next truck should be the same. back into your vids, when you had the ram's , you should do a comparisment and see which one is better all the way around. also if your tire pressure isn't right it will throw your testing out. but this test is great. I think ford came a long way with their trucks.. Thanks for they vid and have a great day here
It is learning. Also. There should be an algorithm working in the background. To make sure you are where it needs to be in cruise control. What I've read. There is a max and a minimum. Speed, road conditions, load, gross weight. Play a part of correct gear selection.
So I will say this, While the MPG is great, ther eis one major factor with that. You were going West. If you were headed East, you would experience a lesser MPG. The reason for this is the shape of the Rockies. You have much longer gradiants on the West side of the mountain. So you dropped MPG for a shorter time going uphill and then longer downhills that will increase the avg of your MPG. I would be curious to see what your numbers are going East.
You’ve done a great job with the video - GoPro time lapse not a problem. I think inline engines work better on the exhaust brakes, this may be due to V engines only braking on one cylinder bank. So the Cummins is using all 6.7 litres; whereas the Ford is only using 3.35 litres for compression braking, please correct me if I’m wrong?
Hi Alex, great video, Would be very interested in knowing what temperatures the truck was producing on the grades? Coolant temp? Oil? Transmission temp? All information that a owner would definitely want to know and manage.?? Thanks Jerry British Columbia Canada
Great video Alex! That Ford is really getting great fuel mileage. I thymus next truck is a Ford with a 10 speed trans, although it will probably be a 450. Good job, always enjoy your videos.
Great info you do great tests with real world numbers . I haul a RV with a lot of wind drag. I would like to see a test with MPG and wind drag. My RV is like a piece of plywood 8 1/2 feet wide and 13 feet tall sticking straight up in the wind.
@@happypappy6371 Yes I have looked in to a wind deflector. Don't know if it is cost effective. The front of the RV does have a slant to it that may help some. My best MPG is at 55MPH but I run about 62MPH on the interstate to try to keep up with the flow of traffic.
@@rvdogfl Are you pulling a 5th wheel trailer or bumper pull? Speed does have a big effect on MPG, in both wind resistance and just rolling resistance. Does your truck have an air dam under the front bumper. The more air you can keep from going under the truck will help too.
@@rvdogfl The roof mount airfoil wouldn't help a lot with a bumper pull. If there is more than 4 ft between the airfoil and front of the trailer, you loose the benefit.
There's some good mountains going from Arizona into New Mexico Tow Piglet should make a video going through we have a few when we went through in my wifes truck
10 speed in the 2020 F350 truck. Yes Now I have to have a new Ford TRANSMISSIONS TorqShift®heavy-duty 10-speed automatic with SelectShift® Configuration Aluminum 10-speed, available live-drive access on driver side Gear ratios First 4.615:1 Second 2.919:1 Third 2.132:1 Fourth 1.773:1 Fifth 1.519:1 Sixth 1.277:1 Seventh 1:01 Eighth 0.851:1 Ninth 0.687:1 10th 0.632:1 Reverse -4.695:1
When you're in tow/haul it tries to limit shifting around a bunch and will want to stay in a gear longer. With tow/haul on w/ cruise control set, there is a little hit of lag when the truck hits a hill before it shifts. The truck will try to increase the throttle to see if that will be enough to maintain the set speed but if it isn't then it will drop a gear to get the truck back to the speed it's set at.
Even if your miles per gallon were only 11.5, considering that you went up the incline or the three different mountain passes that you did with the heavy load of 25720 lb total, I would consider that pretty good. If you're doing anything in the double digits while you are towing anything, you are doing good, even if it's on a flat terrain. You're getting double digit numbers going up mountain passes. I will consider that pretty darn good. ** -- (in Larry David voice from Curb Your Enthusiasm) - Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. **
I didn’t know diesel shift that much as well. I have a 7.3L gasser with 10 spd and the shift frequency is about the same but it rev between 3500-4500 most time when towing uphill.
After 20+ years of Dodge 3500 4X4 under loads, Alex has me convinced, I need to look at my wife's favorite truck, A Ford 350 or 550, 2020 issue. I just had to thank you Alex, the 2018 Dodge is paid off! You really think it will be worth the charge? Enquiring Hot Shot-er wants to know. I also have experienced Dan's "Doing you a favor but we don't have too", relationship @ Dodge. To many times and we always buy the "extended commercial truck" expensive add-on upsell warranty. That "sales pitch" is getting a little old now too.
A paid off truck is always better then the 2 MPG equivalent. I would run the truck for a few more years then keep it as a backup, 2021 Ram will have the mid-cycle refresh, and it will be interesting to see what comes from that
@@Rommer2258 I would agree with you. I have my 1997 12 Valve still. Just did a new block after 2 rebuilds and the original engine. 788,000 on the frame. one owner pushing over 600 HP and a added splitter on the rear end. Love that truck. Who needs a computer! also a 2011 with 2nd engine rebuild an 790 on the frame. my driver doesn't want me to trade in the deleted for a new one. Says I can sell it though,...only to him. LOL Grease Side Down. I just like what everyone is saying about the new Fords, my wife loves the style and design. We are letting them work the bugs out and will pick out a cab & chassis 2021 or 22. my thoughts. I just love throwing Alex some raspberries limes and lemons for flipping to Fords. lol @ least it's not a Government Motors. LOL
Ford trucks historically haven't been that greatest. After bout 300k, the 6.7 is starting to reverse that idea for fords, but its just too new to tell. Id rather have a trash transmission then a trash motor.
Truck will act funny at higher elevations. It will lose power with the thinner air and the truck is constantly trying to compensate and adjust for the lower oxygen.... However I just made that trip a few days ago and didn't notice much loss of power, but when I went through the Rockies pass a couple months ago, I noticed a large loss of power at the top. I drive a 19 Ram with the HO engine and Aisin trans.
"The war on diesel" DEF is so stupid -- diesels are for OVER THE ROAD trucking -- out in the great IN-BETWEEN where few people live -- so why do the idiots at EPA have to be anal about particulates? Answer: because they have to justify their sh*tty little bureaucratic existence. And even in cities, DEF is probably trivial. Particulates? How about DUST and WIND -- is the stupid EPA going to ban that too?
This transmission, like most automatics, seeks and holds it's one to one ratio if possible when under load. 7th gear is the one to one in this transmission. The reason being that it is neither an under or overdrive. Therefore it is the strongest gear.The program management, by design goes to and stays in 7th as long as it can. Keep up your good work! Very good video!
Question if it one-to-one is the main shaft locked to the output? ( I'm think of how the Borg_Warner works here and applying that logic to automatic ). So if it 1-2-1 direct that engine rpm is what the driver shaft would be spinning at here.
Huh, does that change with different gear rations?
You mean it is stronger than the three overdrive gears. It's just flat wrong to say one to one is stronger than the underdriven gears.
@@kfelix2934 It's one to one. Not one two one. 😀
@@anymanusa If the gears are the same size, one will not exert superior power on the other. Thus the one to one ratio is always the strongest and least heat and stress producing gear.
I'm not ashamed to say I cried for a minute when I watched this because I'm from Idaho, and miss it sooooo much. Great video!!
There’s some beautiful scenery up there but it’s dangerous
@@TowPiglet Yes it is, all my trucks and SUVs had giant T6 aluminum bumpers that could survive hitting an elk.
11.5 is amazing mpg for that weight. Of course low profile load helped immensely in that regard.
how noone gonna mention the beautiful tarp job he did, A++
Regarding the exhaust brake, in another video a Ford engineer talks about there being 3 different settings for it (full strength, auto, etc). I think he said you cycle through them by pressing the button repeatedly. Check your owners manual when you get a chance.
Select your exhaust brake to be on “automatic” mode and it will absolutely hold you back at whatever speed you tap the brake at.
Exactly! Many dont know that
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Id disagree, I had a 19 F350 SRW that towed a 44ft 5th wheel at roughly 14,000 loaded and I would always use the engine brake on automatic and we go to an area that has 3 very steep hills and on decent of these hills I started out doing fine but about 40-50 yards down I was going about 10+ mph faster and tap the brake again and watch my rpm's go to about 4,000+, I thought it was going to scatter the engine all over the road. This was starting out around 40mph. It got so bad Id take the tow/haul mode off and just keep the engine brake on. Now I have a 22 F450 with 10 speed and hoping this isn't so rough on the truck.
@@jandblawncare8570 you should be fine or I should say you should have a more comfortable experience with it. 19 is six speed the 22 is a 10 speed. When I’m auto exhaust brake you tap the brake it down shifts and holds gears better. Plus now more gears to choose from 😉
I love my 22 f350 crew cab long bed with the powerstroke
We nicknamed it “mini semi”
I like the spilt view of the camera.
i love the ford the most reliable truck ever
This was great thank you for doing this. I was literally on the fence between a 2018 ford f350 6speed and a 2020 10 speed purchase. 2020 it is👍🏼
Put the engine brake on "a" then brake it down to the speed you want it to hold.
Gotta be happy with that MPG. Impressive. Let us know what a 300mile flat/straight run comes out too. What was your best avg in the RAM's?
Great video work and content! Appreciated you taking us along for the ride
as a Ram guy since 2006 I been keeping an eye on the 6.7 fords since 2018.. after this new third gen 6.7 with new turbo an a few other things especially the 10 speed ford really had my attention , and now after seeing this truck really at work its time for a test drive, thank you Tow Piglet!
Don't test drive till u are mentally ready to switch u won't wanna go back !!
@@bobstewart9365 copy that sir, I will keep that in mind!
I was a Ram guy also. My oldest son had a 2004 Ram 2500 long box & my youngest son had a 2006 Ram 3500 long box & my brother still has his 2005 Ram 3500 long box. Mind you he has paid for his 2005 TWICE with all the $$$ he has spent on over & under drives, lift kit, bigger wheels & tires, $9k rebuilding the tranny, adding remote starter (TWICE) adding back up camera (ONE) cause none of that stuff came with the 2005s.
I was in 2014 Ram 3500 MegaCab with HO 6.7L Cummins® Turbo Diesel with AISIN AS69RC & it was a beast for pulling. I absolutely loved my MegaCab.
Switched to Ford F350 Limited in 2018 when maintenance costs start kicking in on the Ram. I just got the new 2020 F350 Platinum with new PowerStroke Jan 15.
The difference between the 2020 & the 2018 is astonishing. The 2020 F350 Platinum has way more pick up & go than the 2018 & 2019.
The new third-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke turbodiesel V8 now puts out 475 hp and 1050 lb-ft.. It has a new turbo, new internals and a new 36,000-psi fueling system to deliver power; the outgoing 2019 engine was rated for 450 hp and 935 lb-ft.
Also the 2020 10-speed transmission adds extra driving modes: Slippery, Deep Sand and Snow, and Eco. I have been using Eco mode when I am not towing & I've been getting 12.0 litres/100km (equals 19.6 USA miles per gallon) on tank of diesel.
I love that the mirrors now "Auto Fold" as soon as I lock the truck. The new headlights are also way brighter as I am constantly being flashed for having High Beams on when I am Low Beam.
The massaging front seats are very soothing on long trips or even in the city sitting at all those red lights. IN MY OPINION, Ram still has a way to go to catch up with Ford on the comfort & practical side of things.
On the RAM, I hated having to go outside & swing up mirrors & re-adjust them all when towing & then switch everything back when not towing.
@@kevinlauzon7665 great info Kevin thanks! this has to be the fourth or fifth time I've herd that the new 2020 Powerstroke is much better than the 1st and even 2nd gen Powerstrokes but then to add mpg's! man you guys are making me so curious I've never driven one!! aand I like the new front end look for 2020 much better..My payment is coming up on my 18 Ram an its going to be hard to not pay it and head to a dealer! thanks guys! lol
1st & 2nd 6.7 gen Powerstroke
Ford is the best for real hard job
Great results because of your videos i bought a 2020 powerstroke.. thanks for the great video's
That 10 speed is a beast!!! Love it in my F450. Its all about that 4:30 gear...
I would compare my 2022, Dodge diesel to that truck. I can't say mine would out do yours but I do care about MPG. Reliability but we both know NOTHING beats the Dodge diesel break.. Your engine seems to struggle sometimes but other times it seems very smooth but your RPM's is excellent. Good review! oh I have the Aisin transmission mated with a 3.73 rear end. I'm told I bought the wrong rear end but hauling a truck camper I thought 3.73 was best. Oh, I average 13.2 MPG hauling a 3600 hundred pound truck camper. When I figured it up, it was actually right around 13.9, which is good but no mountains but not flat. I'm not sure those gauges are right in ANY truck.
Really good editing, I love watching your videos. I know nothing about trucking, but this is just entertaining.
Thanks, been trying to improve my editing skills
I’m a Cummins guy. That being said, ram has lost my interest due to the poor choice in transmissions. The next truck I get will be a 6.7 Powerstroke.
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Other shotter 10th speed failed at 75K miles.
Bro this comparison was with the Chrysler 68RFE tranny….. Which is pure junk. Pair the Cummins up with the Aisin and this video would have a different context. Fords 10 speed is absolute junk.
@@diamondhead203 I agree that the 68 and 10 speed have been less than stellar. Having owned a 68, they are nice when they work right.
I bought a 2016 f350 6.7 and have not looked back.
@@Farmer_1776 good choice.
Hi Alex, video well done. I really do appreciate how you strive to improve on the quality of your videos. But, you already do a better job of it than most youtubers, so thanks.
And WOW, what a great truck that is. Nice.
2:22 funniest thing ever! 😂 great video Alex! 👍🏻
Ford did a good job with that 10 speed and improving the MPG 👍🏼💪🏼
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Run the transmission on manual and keep the EGTs low. That's how you should climb a hill
Man you skipped my hometown "Missoula" on your video. Thank you so many informative videos likes this.
Having pulled a trailer up those passes, I found a new route and will not pull drive that way unless I have too.
For a beautiful, easy drive, take highway 200 from Sandpoint to Missoula.
Yeah, but watch for them patches of ice, as I ended up crossing the ditch :)
At 19:37 I'm going up the hill with a camper behind :)
So being in both the Ram and now the Ford. Which one do you like more and the one you like the least what can they do to improve?
I like the Ford way more, my concern is long term reliability. That’s not my problem though since it’s an enterprise rental
@Xxplicit I think it's kind of a tortois vs hare thing. The Cummins isn't as fast but it's strong. Wheras the Powerstoke makes speed freaks happy but sacrifices longevity to do it.
a happy trucker lives a happier life....🤙
Thx agian Mr. Alex
My 1ton Ram and I have made that trip hauling RV's from Indiana many times, oh what Beauty Country there is! Nice video but I like my Ram.
How about burning extra fuel, and suffocating the exhaust, replacing engines more often and all the precious metals to build the exhaust system to save the environment. Bunch of BS
All was good, and yes exhaust break will not hold back that good, I have the same complaint....
The Continental divide and look out pass are significantly large passes. Nice pull and video.
I like your new truck, that 10speed seems awesome. Alex, thanks for sharing.
With all the safety features of today's vehicles they don't recommend using cruise control when there's possibly freezing temperatures. Maybe this is why the truck kept slowing down in the climb. You spoke about temperatures being low so definitely try it in the summertime!
Well done. I have a f450 10 speed pull 15500 lbs rv. And usually get 10+ mpg and it performs great. It's about 2 mpg better than my f350 6 speed. I drive from Albany Or. To Wickenburg Az. The highest pass is 7100 ft.
Well, I just got a 2020 f450 with 7.3 gas engine, 10 speed, 4.88 rears, the thing goes up the grapevine in California (7%) about 45mph pulling 21,500 gross truck and trailer, averaging 9 mpg, being gas cheaper than diesel in most places and no having to deal with diesel emissions any more, 7.3 gas is a diesel killer for me
Fantastic video, you are a hard working talented youtuber!
Looking forward to getting a 2022. Always wait a few years after any manufacturer comes out with something new cause it takes that long to work out any kinks they didn't find in the test faves.
I'm not a Ford guy but that truck seems pretty bad ass. A diesel that spins up to 4 thousand RPM from the factory. YEAH Thumbs up to Ford.
Most cruise controls programs from the factory has a soft droop setting in it where it will allow so much of a percentage change. I don't know about Ford but with the Detroit diesel you can change the droop percentage for cruise control through manual reprogramming. Hope this helps.
Great test and video. That's better mileage than my 2017 would get.
I drive a 2018 Ford 3500 single rear wheel with a Power Stroke 6.7 for an RV dealer here in Montana. This is a very interesting video because yesterday March 6, 2020 I delivered a 5th wheel trailer from Missoula to Billings a distance of 352 miles and returned with an Airstream Classic back to Missoula. Total round trip mileage was 700 on the odometer and 704 on Google maps. I start with a full tank and fill up again before returning to the yard. Total fuel used was 65.908 gal for a mileage of 10.62 to 10.68 mpg depending on the mileage of 700 or 704. I travel at 68 but vary between 55 and 72 depending on road conditions. Travel trailers have a lot more windage so I expect lower mpg. I'm not for hire so I don't cross the scales but I estimate the gross weight (truck and trailer) with the 5th wheel at 23,000 lbs and 18,000 lbs. with the Airstream. Both trailers were about 32' long. I crossed the Butte pass (Homestake pass) twice, once each way so the driving conditions are roughly similar to your video. I think the lower mileage I'm getting is due to the increased frontal area. I really like the new 10 speed but I only have a 6 speed auto and I think it does fine.
I'm a RAM guy myself and have a 2011 Dodge 3500 single rear wheel that I use for towing personal stuff but I have to tell you the Dodge R68 transmission is its' biggest drawback. It is constantly shifting up and down. The only good way to go up a pass is to select a gear manually and leave it there. Ford is heads above RAM in regards to the transmission. All shifts in the Ford are silky smooth vs the RAM where it SLAMS into a lower gear and the RPMS jump by 1,000. Sounds like the TCU is trying to break something.
I do think RAM has a better engine (Jake) brake. I would like someone who has a RAM 4500 or 5500 with the Isuzu transmission post a review. I think the Isuzu trans could be a major improvement. A RAM 4500 with that transmission would be a 500k truck.
Just my 2 cents worth.
John Schubert
We are picking up our 2020 F 450 on Friday. Won't be towing for a couple of weeks but I'll let you know how it does. We have a 49ft 5th wheel at 30,000 lb + truck. The 2016 F450 average was 7,6 mpg. And 15 empty.
Can't wait to hear. Are you able to get the new Lane keep assist with automatic Lane centering on that truck plus the adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go. I want that Tesla technology on my new truck.
@@redwood6737 Yes it has the lane assist but to be but to be honest it's pretty week. The wheel vibration is very light in a car it might be fine. It will be awhile before I can tow the trailer I have to redo the the gooseneck on the trailer. This F450 is about 3 taller and bed being an inch-and-a-half deeper than the 2016 F450 makes me wander who do they think their audience is this is a work truck that you load stuff in and out of daily. Not everyone wants to or can lift a bag cement the extra 3 inches day in and out.
@@redwood6737 By the way the stop-and-go stops at about 15 miles an hour kicks off and you are in control again. But I do like it still.
I like your methodology. The camera views are good. 11.5 mpg is great. Stay safe.
Very nice test, one day you will be at 600,000 subscribers just like tfl. Do you ever get to do the Ike gauntlet
you should get with the oil company in south dakota to take their trailers to new mexico/texas
I know this is a bit late but in my owner's manual book for my 2020 7.3 10 speed, it says the 10 speed transmission needs time to learn (assuming your driving habit) and if you disconnect the battery or power it has to relearn your driving again. So in that moment it could of had a moment of learning and that's why it slowed down up hill.
As always--great video, very thorough. Like the multiple camera angles and multi mpg comparisons.
I've driven over the Butte pass at least 100 times. There are some nice 4 wheeler and mountain bike trails up in those rocks.
Your at a steeper elevation so the transmission and engine Need to be at a lower to torque to pull the steep incline. Excellent Video Love Seeing the views from different locations.Thank you for What you Do Man.
That 10 speed is going to make that engine last much longer.
I know it's not the same transmission but I drove a 19 Ford Ranger with a 10 speed as a rental the 10 speed was no joke it down shifts when you need it to quick and gives you the perfect gear I was impressed with the fuel economy or milage the ecoboost was amazing.
Adam Caldwell that engine will go a long way no matter what, our whole fleet is now fords and some are above 300k and we haul some heavy stuff
@@jakescott4800 that is awesome to hear. I plan on getting a 2020 f450 or a 203 wheelbase 550 "If they force Hotshot to go CDL" Government always messing things up.
ASa total beginner, you are giving wonderful info to learn from! Thanx
Powerstroke king of truck.
Thank you Alex for your time and information really appreciated it
My favorite video yet enjoyed it
7th is the one to one, lower gears under drives, higher are overdrives.Under stress transmission will prefer 7th ,as it's the strongest gear.
Alex as usual you nailed it, great real-time factual information. Running the Ford hard on the lease makes perfect sense.
Dang all those tarps probably weigh 2,179 lbs 😳🙈🤣🤣🤣
They make lighter tarps for fords to use...
I couldn't help but say "dang" in my Joe Dirt voice.
I'm not a Ford guy but it's hard to argue they aren't the best trucks on the road.
Mark thank you
TR Cattle their and cap
I bet you the trans is programmed for fuel efficiency. See if the dealer can program a more aggressive map for pulling vs trying to keep it in the highest gear possible at all times
Manual mode is where it's at
What F350 are you driving? Diesel or Gas, Dully or Single, What options? Kris
Get back in that right lane!
Dave C you read my mind!!!
You guys don't get it. Yes get back on right side. But under all that heavy weight you want to keep momentum. If ur going up a hill 35 miles per hour and u slow down. Ur truck will.have a very hard.time keeping speed, and worst fear is if slows down enough to where u lose speed and cant get up. So if.u got momentum keep it going don't stop
@@dudove1 yea I get it but it was like 5 mins of no one in the right lane to slow him down at all and he's way under max tow on that truck with his non cdl weight limits that truck will never not make it up that hill with those weights.
@@gagt5spd I do what he does. Yes no one in front he should change lanes. But worst scenario is slippery surface, approaching a slow semi and u cant change lanes cause cars blocking. It's dangerous too. So safer bet is to kinda hog the left lane especially when u mobbing 55-70 mph.
@@gagt5spd you'd be surprised. Sometimes these trucks have a hard time.
hell ya man! i live in butte! that pass is no joke!
I like the newer trucks that have the manual gear selector, I always find a comfortable gear that provides enough torque and speed for our pass and just leave it there. Our pass is 7% grade over 8 miles.
Alex just out of Curiosity. If I'm not mistaken. Your trailer is rated for 12k.
On your scale ticket. It reads that your trailer weight is at 12,260lbs. I know your still under 26klbs however can DOT give you grief about being over 260lbs over on your trailer?
Diesel fuel is quit a bit cheaper if you go to exit 1 in Post Falls at the Maverick. Ex: Today Flying J $2.65 per gallon at exit 2 , Maverick at exit 1 is $1.99 per gallon. Gas Buddy app works great for finding cheapest fuel.
Sounds like your exhaust brake is,working great to me. The g.m.c. I got rid,off had 1,on it I love it.held the truck good on downhills.
That's one bad chicken. 7th gear is nearest to a 1:1 ratio. 8th, 9th, and 10th are your overdrives. I want a 2020 F350 now!
Those passes ain't no joke either. I pull biggest U-Haul filled to the max and a old ford ranger on a full trailer through there. We used a V10 gasser and got like 6MPG.
Nice tarp job yes, I like that. I’m curious though is the Dodge ram more reliable long-term than the complicated Ford?
Great video Alex!
I am beginning to think about a Ford.... I really like the Ram..
your killing me..
1050 ft lbs of torque is hard to say no to...
Wow, 11.4mpg at almost 26k gvw; that's really impressive! I towed my 95 Cummins back from Springfield, Mo with a 2018 F150 crew cab 4wd, 10 speed auto, and had to fuel up with 93 octane and work the manual shift mode to get 11mpg avg on the way back.
While months old. In MT IIRC St Regis area. How did you like the tight curves? 45 mph on interstate because sharp curves. Cars going 80, then slamming on brakes 2/3 thru curve. If truck speed limit 45, maybe folks in cars should consider under 60 mph?
As you know, my Ram will hold 55 miles an hour through the gorge on 26 in North Carolina and Tennessee hauling 14000 lbs using my cruise control. Just sayin. Good fuel mileage in the Ford especially over the mountain loaded, I'm a little surprised. Good video
I think you gotta get 4.10 gear ratio for better uphill and downhill experience. 👍
Good honest video Alex! Great job!
Ford will love that you run a 6.7 liter engine over 3 grand to pull hills. Start saving for that overhaul. Second, automatics, as you are starting to learn, aren't the best tool for pulling hills. Manuals are. Everybody bought automatics so that's what you get. A manual transmission will always give you the best performance if you know how to use it. Simple, more gears = more control. A V8 with shorter piston throws will not generally have the stronger engine brake. Just a fact. The Cummins is a 6 Cyl. The Ford is an 8. Cummins for that reason will have the better brake. Fun test. Would like to see you do the test in better road conditions etc.
Got a love that Ford
I'm not a power joke fan. But I am impressed on the 10 speed auto. And the MPGs ain't bad.
I have an 18 F350 and haul a travel trailer loaded is about 18k combined 27k. I get 7 or 8 miles to the gallon. Honestly a little disjointed was hopping for 10 or 12. Still love the truck.
That job looks awesome. I wish I knew how to start up 😭
Hi Alex, so far it looks like the ford is a winner. Your next truck should be the same. back into your vids, when you had the ram's , you should do a comparisment and see which one is better all the way around. also if your tire pressure isn't right it will throw your testing out. but this test is great. I think ford came a long way with their trucks.. Thanks for they vid and have a great day here
It is learning. Also. There should be an algorithm working in the background. To make sure you are where it needs to be in cruise control.
What I've read. There is a max and a minimum. Speed, road conditions, load, gross weight. Play a part of correct gear selection.
Nice one bro!! 😊😊👍🏻👍🏻
So I will say this, While the MPG is great, ther eis one major factor with that. You were going West. If you were headed East, you would experience a lesser MPG. The reason for this is the shape of the Rockies. You have much longer gradiants on the West side of the mountain. So you dropped MPG for a shorter time going uphill and then longer downhills that will increase the avg of your MPG. I would be curious to see what your numbers are going East.
You’ve done a great job with the video - GoPro time lapse not a problem.
I think inline engines work better on the exhaust brakes, this may be due to V engines only braking on one cylinder bank. So the Cummins is using all 6.7 litres; whereas the Ford is only using 3.35 litres for compression braking, please correct me if I’m wrong?
Hi Alex, great video,
Would be very interested in knowing what temperatures the truck was producing on the grades? Coolant temp? Oil? Transmission temp?
All information that a owner would definitely want to know and manage.??
Thanks
Jerry
British Columbia Canada
I'm curious about the same thing. My '17 450 gets hot compared to my '06 250
Great video Alex! That Ford is really getting great fuel mileage. I thymus next truck is a Ford with a 10 speed trans, although it will probably be a 450. Good job, always enjoy your videos.
Great info you do great tests with real world numbers . I haul a RV with a lot of wind drag. I would like to see a test with MPG and wind drag. My RV is like a piece of plywood 8 1/2 feet wide and 13 feet tall sticking straight up in the wind.
Have you looked into getting an wind deflector for the top of your tow vehicle?
@@happypappy6371 Yes I have looked in to a wind deflector. Don't know if it is cost effective. The front of the RV does have a slant to it that may help some. My best MPG is at 55MPH but I run about 62MPH on the interstate to try to keep up with the flow of traffic.
@@rvdogfl Are you pulling a 5th wheel trailer or bumper pull? Speed does have a big effect on MPG, in both wind resistance and just rolling resistance. Does your truck have an air dam under the front bumper. The more air you can keep from going under the truck will help too.
@@happypappy6371 I have a 30FT bumper pull. Yes the truck has the factory air dam. Makes a big difference in MPG if I have a tail wind or a head wind.
@@rvdogfl The roof mount airfoil wouldn't help a lot with a bumper pull. If there is more than 4 ft between the airfoil and front of the trailer, you loose the benefit.
There's some good mountains going from Arizona into New Mexico Tow Piglet should make a video going through we have a few when we went through in my wifes truck
10 speed in the 2020 F350 truck. Yes Now I have to have a new Ford
TRANSMISSIONS
TorqShift®heavy-duty 10-speed automatic with SelectShift®
Configuration Aluminum 10-speed, available live-drive access on driver side
Gear ratios
First 4.615:1
Second 2.919:1
Third 2.132:1
Fourth 1.773:1
Fifth 1.519:1
Sixth 1.277:1
Seventh 1:01
Eighth 0.851:1
Ninth 0.687:1
10th 0.632:1
Reverse -4.695:1
Thank you
When you're in tow/haul it tries to limit shifting around a bunch and will want to stay in a gear longer. With tow/haul on w/ cruise control set, there is a little hit of lag when the truck hits a hill before it shifts. The truck will try to increase the throttle to see if that will be enough to maintain the set speed but if it isn't then it will drop a gear to get the truck back to the speed it's set at.
Well done.
Even if your miles per gallon were only 11.5, considering that you went up the incline or the three different mountain passes that you did with the heavy load of 25720 lb total, I would consider that pretty good.
If you're doing anything in the double digits while you are towing anything, you are doing good, even if it's on a flat terrain. You're getting double digit numbers going up mountain passes. I will consider that pretty darn good. ** -- (in Larry David voice from Curb Your Enthusiasm) - Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. **
Not much wind resistance from that load.
You should have gear selection and you can limit the gear it switches into if you find it keeps grabbing 7th or 8th when you don’t want it to.
I didn’t know diesel shift that much as well. I have a 7.3L gasser with 10 spd and the shift frequency is about the same but it rev between 3500-4500 most time when towing uphill.
After 20+ years of Dodge 3500 4X4 under loads, Alex has me convinced, I need to look at my wife's favorite truck, A Ford 350 or 550, 2020 issue. I just had to thank you Alex, the 2018 Dodge is paid off! You really think it will be worth the charge? Enquiring Hot Shot-er wants to know. I also have experienced Dan's "Doing you a favor but we don't have too", relationship @ Dodge. To many times and we always buy the "extended commercial truck" expensive add-on upsell warranty. That "sales pitch" is getting a little old now too.
A paid off truck is always better then the 2 MPG equivalent. I would run the truck for a few more years then keep it as a backup, 2021 Ram will have the mid-cycle refresh, and it will be interesting to see what comes from that
@@Rommer2258 I would agree with you. I have my 1997 12 Valve still. Just did a new block after 2 rebuilds and the original engine. 788,000 on the frame. one owner pushing over 600 HP and a added splitter on the rear end. Love that truck. Who needs a computer! also a 2011 with 2nd engine rebuild an 790 on the frame. my driver doesn't want me to trade in the deleted for a new one. Says I can sell it though,...only to him. LOL Grease Side Down. I just like what everyone is saying about the new Fords, my wife loves the style and design. We are letting them work the bugs out and will pick out a cab & chassis 2021 or 22. my thoughts. I just love throwing Alex some raspberries limes and lemons for flipping to Fords. lol @ least it's not a Government Motors. LOL
Ford trucks historically haven't been that greatest. After bout 300k, the 6.7 is starting to reverse that idea for fords, but its just too new to tell. Id rather have a trash transmission then a trash motor.
@@Rommer2258 But they havent been a trash motor. I think the correct statement is trash truck and trash trans vs a supposed trash motor.
Wow nice vid right through my neck of the woods 😉👍and awesome fuel mileage towing in the mountains!!
Truck will act funny at higher elevations. It will lose power with the thinner air and the truck is constantly trying to compensate and adjust for the lower oxygen.... However I just made that trip a few days ago and didn't notice much loss of power, but when I went through the Rockies pass a couple months ago, I noticed a large loss of power at the top. I drive a 19 Ram with the HO engine and Aisin trans.
It looks like the truck transmission computer works well for real road applications. Now they just gotta take all that DEF bullshit off the truck.
"The war on diesel"
DEF is so stupid -- diesels are for OVER THE ROAD trucking -- out in the great IN-BETWEEN where few people live -- so why do the idiots at EPA have to be anal about particulates? Answer: because they have to justify their sh*tty little bureaucratic existence.
And even in cities, DEF is probably trivial. Particulates? How about DUST and WIND -- is the stupid EPA going to ban that too?