Thorough and enlightening exposition, thanks for posting. When Dr. Baucham says “we disagree” with the Westminster Confession re: state church, who is “we” - Baptists?
Calvinism was first articulated by Augustine (a Roman Catholic) in the 4th century. So, the Church did quite well for 300 years without this doctrine. Calvinism is a contrivance of man. The Biblical doctrine of salvation is best described by the “Corporate View of Election” or the “Provisionalist Salvation Doctrine”. Don’t look to be right; look to find truth.
While I absolutely believe God causes/ordains/determines some things. I don’t believe He causes everything to happen. In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "People built high places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." My contention is with people like John Piper who says, every single thing that happens on planet earth is caused by God. He gives the example of tiny dust particles in a beam of light. Piper says God controls the very movement of each tiny particle. Or James White who has said, "If a man brutally rapes a young girl, God caused it. If not, then it was a meaningless, random act." Jeff Durbin says, God is not partially sovereign, He is not half-sovereign, He is sovereignly sovereign. Meaning, like Piper and White, every single thing that happens is caused by God. If you follow that logic through, you have God saying to Adam and Eve, "Do not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..." and then He causes them to do that very thing. You have God saying, "Have no other gods before me." AND then He makes countless billions worship Allah, Buddha, or one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Again, if you carry this through, you have God, who is LOVE, who is Holy and Righteous, causing, murder, rape, child molestation, drugs, alcohol, prostitution, human trafficking, not to mention, the belief in atheism. Allowing something to happen, UNTIL it is dealt with on Judgment Day, is NOT the same as causing it to happen.
Hi Dr Baucham, this is for your presentation regarding "which day is the Sabbath & the sabbath before the command. You are a theologian and I am not, however, I realized that you are blatantly suppressing the truth when it comes on to the Sabbath day, and even now you cannot find a verse to back up whatever you are saying. You are very intelligent and knowledgably. Use the wisdom, knowledge and understanding that was given to you by God the correct way. Bring everything to light. as you and I know that the 4th commandment still exist today, when you stated that it was the only one removed from the 10 commandment, I was rather taken aback. You very well know that is not the truth. Gen 2 vs 2-3: , Exodus 20 vs 8-11: Mark 2 vs 28: Luke 4 vs 16.. Please, with respect I am asking you to send me clear Biblical support for Sunday Observance that is in the bible, the one you preached from. There is absolutely, positively NO New testament text stating that God, Jesus or the apostles change the Sabbath to Sunday. NOT at Word, Not a Hint, neither a suggestion: Mark 2 vs 24: Acts 13 vs 14-27:, 42-44:, Acts 15 vs 21:, Acts 16 vs 13:, acts 18 vs 4:: Please read the new testament, it clearly shows that we should still keep the commandment, it was NEVER and will never be abolished. Mathew 5 vs 17-18,: Mat 19 vs 17: Mat 28 vs 20. It was prophesied many centuries earlier the time would come when men would think to change laws and times, please read Daniel 7 vs 25: WHO CHANGE THE SABBATH: Deep down I know that you fully well know that , you are too intelligent not to know this answer. Because as you can clearly see for yourself, there is no scripture or verse in the ENTIRE bible stating that. Who give MAN authority to change what God already set forth? Can you imagine the bravery and audacity that mankind have to do such atrocity?, Doing this just to suit our desires. Please as you already know from A.D. 30 to A.D. 321 the saga that takes place. Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans Empire in A.D. 70 & then A.D. 135. Jews and Christian suppressed, the rest day of the Roman Empire , their religion was Mithraism, where they worshipped the Sun. During that time the Roman Empire prosecute Christians, and Sabbath keepers was tortured. Emperor Constantine I, a pagan sunworshipper he was in power in .A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday keeping law. He enforced the law on March 7 in A.D. 21. " This is what it says " On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed." (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1). The Sunday Law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed. "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturdays but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. So, Dr. Baucham, you may read the bible from Genesis to Revelation and back and you will NEVER find a single line, a single verse or anything relating to authorized the sanctification of Sunday as the day of rest, as the Sabbath day. The scriptures throughout the bible, both old and new testament clearly states which day is the Sabbath, and the part that stuns me is that you know. Why would the catholic accept that they boldly changes the Sabbath to Sunday.? They have lots of documentations dating back to history, to clearly states that we change it and so what. Why are we embracing MAN not GOD? Our God is Bigger than any man or anything, this is not a question, it is the facts. These verses in the New Testament clearly speaks for itself. Matthew 15 vs 9: Mark 7 vs 7: : Isaiah 8 vs 20. Do we serve God Almighty, Jesus Christ or do we serve mortal man? Thanks for taking time to read and respond in a timely manner. The truth is the truth.
Lords day? It's clear folks meet on the first day in the new testement. Rember Christ was killed for a sabith violation , being hyper legalistic pharisy is not Christ like...Just my thoughts
Thorough and enlightening exposition, thanks for posting. When Dr. Baucham says “we disagree” with the Westminster Confession re: state church, who is “we” - Baptists?
What was the Q & A like?
Calvinism was first articulated by Augustine (a Roman Catholic) in the 4th century.
So, the Church did quite well for 300 years without this doctrine. Calvinism is a contrivance of man.
The Biblical doctrine of salvation is best described by the “Corporate View of Election”
or the “Provisionalist Salvation Doctrine”. Don’t look to be right; look to find truth.
While I absolutely believe God causes/ordains/determines some things. I don’t believe He causes everything to happen. In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "People built high places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind."
My contention is with people like John Piper who says, every single thing that happens on planet earth is caused by God. He gives the example of tiny dust particles in a beam of light. Piper says God controls the very movement of each tiny particle. Or James White who has said, "If a man brutally rapes a young girl, God caused it. If not, then it was a meaningless, random act." Jeff Durbin says, God is not partially sovereign, He is not half-sovereign, He is sovereignly sovereign. Meaning, like Piper and White, every single thing that happens is caused by God. If you follow that logic through, you have God saying to Adam and Eve, "Do not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..." and then He causes them to do that very thing. You have God saying, "Have no other gods before me." AND then He makes countless billions worship Allah, Buddha, or one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Again, if you carry this through, you have God, who is LOVE, who is Holy and Righteous, causing, murder, rape, child molestation, drugs, alcohol, prostitution, human trafficking, not to mention, the belief in atheism. Allowing something to happen, UNTIL it is dealt with on Judgment Day, is NOT the same as causing it to happen.
Hi Dr Baucham, this is for your presentation regarding "which day is the Sabbath & the sabbath before the command. You are a theologian and I am not, however, I realized that you are blatantly suppressing the truth when it comes on to the Sabbath day, and even now you cannot find a verse to back up whatever you are saying. You are very intelligent and knowledgably. Use the wisdom, knowledge and understanding that was given to you by God the correct way. Bring everything to light. as you and I know that the 4th commandment still exist today, when you stated that it was the only one removed from the 10 commandment, I was rather taken aback. You very well know that is not the truth. Gen 2 vs 2-3: , Exodus 20 vs 8-11: Mark 2 vs 28: Luke 4 vs 16.. Please, with respect I am asking you to send me clear Biblical support for Sunday Observance that is in the bible, the one you preached from. There is absolutely, positively NO New testament text stating that God, Jesus or the apostles change the Sabbath to Sunday. NOT at Word, Not a Hint, neither a suggestion: Mark 2 vs 24: Acts 13 vs 14-27:, 42-44:, Acts 15 vs 21:, Acts 16 vs 13:, acts 18 vs 4:: Please read the new testament, it clearly shows that we should still keep the commandment, it was NEVER and will never be abolished. Mathew 5 vs 17-18,: Mat 19 vs 17: Mat 28 vs 20. It was prophesied many centuries earlier the time would come when men would think to change laws and times, please read Daniel 7 vs 25: WHO CHANGE THE SABBATH: Deep down I know that you fully well know that , you are too intelligent not to know this answer. Because as you can clearly see for yourself, there is no scripture or verse in the ENTIRE bible stating that. Who give MAN authority to change what God already set forth? Can you imagine the bravery and audacity that mankind have to do such atrocity?, Doing this just to suit our desires. Please as you already know from A.D. 30 to A.D. 321 the saga that takes place. Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans Empire in A.D. 70 & then A.D. 135. Jews and Christian suppressed, the rest day of the Roman Empire , their religion was Mithraism, where they worshipped the Sun. During that time the Roman Empire prosecute Christians, and Sabbath keepers was tortured. Emperor Constantine I, a pagan sunworshipper he was in power in .A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday keeping law. He enforced the law on March 7 in A.D. 21. " This is what it says " On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed." (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1). The Sunday Law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed. "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturdays but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. So, Dr. Baucham, you may read the bible from Genesis to Revelation and back and you will NEVER find a single line, a single verse or anything relating to authorized the sanctification of Sunday as the day of rest, as the Sabbath day. The scriptures throughout the bible, both old and new testament clearly states which day is the Sabbath, and the part that stuns me is that you know. Why would the catholic accept that they boldly changes the Sabbath to Sunday.? They have lots of documentations dating back to history, to clearly states that we change it and so what. Why are we embracing MAN not GOD? Our God is Bigger than any man or anything, this is not a question, it is the facts. These verses in the New Testament clearly speaks for itself. Matthew 15 vs 9: Mark 7 vs 7: : Isaiah 8 vs 20. Do we serve God Almighty, Jesus Christ or do we serve mortal man? Thanks for taking time to read and respond in a timely manner. The truth is the truth.
Lords day? It's clear folks meet on the first day in the new testement.
Rember Christ was killed for a sabith violation , being hyper legalistic pharisy is not Christ like...Just my thoughts
Calvinism should be surpresed as a false doctrine
Outcome: There would be no word known as Doctrine in this whole fallen world.
Why? You have to give your reasons.