@@aaronkaminski9138People on the internet can’t wrap their heads around the fact that someone having money doesn’t mean they can’t be depressed or feel bad.
@@disqusrubbish5467yes but not because he was a bad coach, but because seattle needed something different to make that leap. It ain’t like bill who has just no idea how to win games without Brady.
pete was 7-9 2 years in a row and going into a season with matt fylnn at QB vs the 49ers harbaugh teams lmao. He woulda been fired for a 3rd team and just been known as a college coach if russell wilson didn't save his job and the seahawks. And before you cry and pushback, pete has admitted he would've been fired long ago without russ, look it up.
Exactly. I can understand the hail mary trade to secure what you think is the next best QB (after failing to land AR). What cannot be excused is that huge extension
@@TheForbidden_1ne If I recall, Wilson had a no-trade clause in his Seattle contract. Part of why Seattle was ready to move on is that they didn't want to be on the hook for yet another huge extension. Wilson's agent is ruthless and gets top dollar. Thus, there never would have been a trade to Denver without the agreement to extend his contract ASAP. So they made the trade knowing they were also extending him. Wilson has won at the business game of the NFL and I have zero sympathy for billionaires having to honor a contract they presented to one of their employees.
Agreed. And he was coming off a couple of not so good years with the Hawks. He wasn't terrible. But he hadn't really looked like the old Russell Wilson in a year or two. It was worth a chance to see what you could do with him, and trade for him. But they paid too much, and that Extension was terrible. But that's the NFL - and QBs.
I don't understand why people think he's gonna play football next year. He would make exactly the same amount doing nothing. Why play a dangerous game for essentially free?
Agreed. I think the reason they signed him to an extension when they did is because Herbert and Lamar Jackson were negotiating extensions and after Deshawn Watson hit all of that guaranteed money they were afraid that Herbert and Jackson would reset the market and they’d have to pay him more after he performed well. Turns out that was a very bad idea.
As a Seattle fan who could never quite bring themself to buying his journey, a little sour when he left initially, I wish Russ all the best. Great piece, Rich
He went to Denver, they let him have his own kitchen, Hacket let him cook and he burned the dinner. Then when Sean asked him to change the menu Russ wouldn't cook it the way Sean asked him to. Oil and water, it wasn't ever going to work now they're stuck with the bill.
As a die-hard Bronco fan, I've gotta say, we're totally screwed over after that trade. Jarred's just as bad, if not worse, than Drew Lock. Can you believe all the cash and draft picks we threw away? George Paton needs to be shown the door, pronto. This move has knocked us back big time. I'm beyond pissed at how terrible this trade turned out. Not to mention signing Danger Russ to a new contract prior to playing one freaking down for the Broncos.
I feel bad for ya. You all got it rough. A terrible gm and an overrated hack for a head coach. Good luck with all that. Just keep this in the back of your mind about Payton. He left NO before he got exposed like Belichick did when Brady left. Just like Bill, Payton success as a coach was due to Breese being a beast. After he retired, Payton’s legacy would have been tarnished so he left. He’s blaming Russ for his lack of success last year and now he’s gonna ride the rebuilding excuse as long as he can then he’ll retire again before bronco fans R U N him O F T. 😊
You need a really hard tank for two years. Stop trying to win 9 wins, and start trying to accumulate draft capital and space. Can the present leadership do that and survive?
Hindsight is 20/20 my man, at that time, very few outside of some Seattle fans themselves were criticizing that trade. As for the contract, Paton is not to blame, the ownership is. Paton is on record saying he wanted to wait til later in the season to talk about an extension but ownership pushed to get it done ASAP
The next QB will cost the Broncos $89 million in cap, $39 million in cash, and the new guy's salary. So this year the QB will cost about $130 million. Mahomes: "Wait - what?!" Paton and Payton should be shown the door.
For this type of reason, I think the broncos should have kept him and made him hold the ball for kicks and play on special teams, f*** Russell Wilson for the level of play he gave us for the insane amount of money we paid him.
Only Nick Wright was completely right about Russ from the the moment he was traded from seattle that he was cooked, to the moment Payton was hired and saying Russ would be cut. Props to that man.
@casey2346 He didn't play a single game on that contract, of course it wasn't worth it. I will say that landing in Denver could have worked out well for him, but that albatross contract hamstrung him in the end.
That contract came at a time when 3 other QBs also received quarter billion contracts. (Russell, Rogers, Mahomes, and the Cleveland Massage King). Only one made the playoffs that season lol
First the Seahawks squashed the Broncos in the Super Bowl, then beat them 3 out of 4 times since then, (I believe) then absolutely fleeced them in the Russell Wilson trade. I think we’ve paid them back for all the losses in the AFC West days!
Seahawks fans told Broncos fans this when the trade was rumoured before Wilson had even played his first game for the Broncos. So as a Broncos fan I said this was going to happen. No antidote for shock needed here! Seattle fans were pretty unanimous in calling this.
@@kellyshaw7271 He had amazing stats in the front half of 2020 and 2021, but trailed off considerably in the back half of those 2 years. First half of 2020 he had 28 TDs and 8 INTs with a 117 passer rating. But in the final 8 games, 12 TDs, 5 INTs, 91.3 rating. Very average. Then in 2021 he had a finger injury I think and was up and down statistically after that.
Wilson has amazing skills AND consternating deficits. His ability to rainbow to the sidelines is elite, up there with Eli and Aaron. Seeing him spy Lockett on a sidelines go put butterflies in every opponent's stomach. But he had trouble assessing chaos, especially meshes in the middle of the field, and defaulted to deer in the headlights too often. Tell me you put him with an Andy Reid and he's at least Donovan McNabb. He needs someone attuned to his skills AND his decifits.
Isn't it weird.. He said Russel entered into the league 2012. So his 2nd year he won a SB, just like Brady. On an upward trend. He was even doing better because he made it back to back sooner.. But that pass he made to Butler it's like two parallel universes could've split there. If he won he's got 2 in 2 years and propels forward a dynasty up to now. Instead Brady wins to kickstart his 2nd career dynasty after 10 years. And that propels him forward almost 10 years to attending 4 more Superbowls, winning 3.
That run was The Legion of Boom, not Russ. Russ had one of the greatest defenses ever. Sure Russ played good, but he didn’t carry the team. The D carried that team.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s Without Russ, that team doesn't win or get to a Super Bowl--not even one. They needed a dynamic quarterback with game-changing abilities. They found that in Russ. If they had decided to start Flynn instead, they're a playoff team that never wins a Super Bowl. People who pretend like Russ wasn't one of the reasons those Seahawks teams got to back to back Super Bowls are in denial.
@@brandonb.5304 if he was the reason, why didn’t they go back after the legion of boom was gone? Russ never did anything without a great defense and a running game. What you are in denial about is that a QB can take chances when you have an all time great D and a great running game. Russ has had his chance to be the guy. History has shown he isn’t the guy, he wasn’t the guy. He was just the guy that was lucky to QB a great team.
"class act" haha he's a giant phony who puts on a fake face for PR, it's why he's struggled to maintain the respect of his own teammates for years now despite being viewed as a "winning franchise QB" just goes to show how easily duped people are....... the dude sat in his own office away from his own teammates because he viewed himself as better than them.....yeah super classy
I can't see any scenario where Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer that doesn't involve an immediate and sustained turnaround. There wasn't a single time in his career that he was the best player on his team.
I feel like the primary reason he put out a full statement this time around isn't so much about being more loyal to Denver than Seattle. To me I think he learned his lesson and probably regrets leaving Seattle with only a single tweet
Here's the thing for a lot of us Seattle fans. We still like Russell, his dorkiness and all. In 20 years I'll still look back at the 2013 season with nothing but joy. But it is nice he took a little more time in his departure to thank Denver.
Russ, as good as he is, still can't see midfield over the heads of lineman. A good OC should find away to utilize Russell's strengths which are many! His arm, head, and legs still work.
I saw Russell Wilson up close here in Minneapolis during the Eagles-Pats Super Bowl here. I couldn't believe how jacked he looked, his shoulders were huge, like a RB.
Seen it with russ and Pete really, alot of hawks fan wanted both shipped off in a package deal.... it was fun while it lasted but pretty obvious it had ended
@@amsey3700 that was 4 years ago. We saw this coming when Russ wanted a % of the salary cap on his last Seattle contract. He got too big for his britches... he got a big slice of humble pie.
@@uwone7778true…2 out of the last 3 years he’s thrown 25+ TD with 8 or less INT, not including rushing TDs…Still pretty good …better numbers in 2023 than Geno Smith…and they benched him for a few games…Russ is still TOP 10 QB
@@amsey3700 not even close to top 10. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Tua, Dak, Purdy, Stafford, Goff, Stroud, Love, Herbert, Lawrence. He isn’t better than any of those QB’s right now
Seattle fans told us what was going to happen when the trade was rumoured what’s less when it happened. His skill set has the same limitations it always has the difference was Pete Carroll/offensive co ordinator adjusted to accommodate it. Saw him live the whole middle of the field got no action he can’t see it that’s why he holds on to the ball, scrambles and conducts his backyard plays When Hackett went for that 60+ yard field goal in his first game rather than trust Wilson to make the play said it all. He was used to working with elite Rodgers. Just goes to show skill set needs to be combined with the right situation.
Also for those saying Russ isn’t a hall of famer anymore, when he was in his prime the NFC West was one of the most competitive divisions, his top receivers were Tyler Lockett, Doug Baldwin, and jimmy graham. All of which would be number 2 maybe number 3 receivers on other teams. Brady played a bunch of guys in the east for years, rogers had the bears and the lions 4 times a year for years, mahomes has virtually no competition in the west. Pick your favorite QB in the last 20 years, most likely he is in the same camp unless his name is Russell Wilson.
A lot of QBs would've won a SB with Marshawn Lynch as your RB and Legion of Boom defense. Winning the SB isn't the only thing you can grade QBs on. By that theory Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson had better careers than Dan Marino and Dan Fouts.
it's amazing how many people fail to grasp the concept of a TEAM sport....... "he" won a Super Bowl as a young QB that was asked to do the bare minimum on a team that was built around an ELITE defense and an ELITE running game....... what has "he" ever won since he demanded that everything be built around him, since he started prioritizing "cooking" his way to MVP votes and demanding that he be given the Tom Brady treatment of essentially running a franchise? NOTHING, in fact he's literally gotten WORSE every year since then
When Wilson got paid and married Ciara, he got happy and satisfied. He didn't have to do anything more because he didn't want to do more. All you have to see is the last couple of years in Seattle and his time in Denver that tells you going back to the Super Bowl was not the priority in his life. It is what it is with him.
@@tengille They're ripping the band-aid off rather than slowly let it hurt. Sure they might make it to a wild card game with Russ, but it's pretty obvious he's not the solution. George Paton made a horrible mistake for the organization while they were going through a new ownership transition, & deserves most of the blame for this embarrassment for everyone involved
Rule #31: If a franchise trades or cuts its healthy starting quarterback without a plan B at the position, there is a high likelihood that they are no longer a franchise quarterback. You bring him in at your own peril and you should absolutely know that the chances of success are low. Franchise QBs are a rare and premium commodity, and when you believe you have one, you keep them. This is now the second franchise to cut ties without a legitimate backup plan, so it tells me that the dude is washed. It doesn't mean Russ will never start again, it just means he likely won't be the answer for anyone.
They cut him because he was good. They signed him to that contract & kicked him to the curb BEFORE it started. If he was the guy they wouldn’t have cut him
@@Freerider93 A player is only too expensive if his ability and production doesn't match his paycheck. So you're right, Russ was cut because he was getting paid to be excellent and he struggled for the better part of a season and a half to simply be good. That ability and production isn't magically reappearing if motivators and teachers like Pete Carroll and Sean Payton can't squeeze it out of you.
@@JetForceFiveSean Payton is neither a motivator or teacher. He likes who he likes and he’s not changing for no one . Thats the reality of this situation, you can win with Russ. Russ is in the same situation Goff and baker were in a year ago.
@tyronegrant3422 I don't know, he had a lot of success for a lot of years and helped coach up a lot of stars and future Hall of Famers. Payton didn't inherit a winning franchise in New Orleans or in Denver but managed to get one of them to the mountain top (so far). I'm a Chiefs fan, so I really don't care how this works out for Denver or for Russ. But even as a fan of another team, I know that if Seattle and Denver could have won with this version of Russ, they would have won with this version of Russ. 🤷 Whatever market value Russell Wilson has right now, is because of what Payton was able to get out of him. Because his first year after being moved by the team that drafted him lowered his stock considerably. Imagining what Russ can be for someone else is not reality, that is a guess at best. The reality is that the team that wanted him to be great the most (Seattle) didn't want him in the building, and the team that had hope that he would bounce back (Denver) now doesn't want him in the building. Those are real things that happened. Reality.
As someone who is from STL Kurt Warner’s fall off was pretty sudden to the point where people actually forget he played in NYG with Eli. I know injuries had a lot to do with it but still he went from MVP to backup real quick
Vegas Raiders are the best bet for Russ…they have a Defensive HC who loves passion and playmaking, and will encourage Russ to improvise and make plays. Plus 2 revenge games a year against Sean and the Broncos…great drama.
Revenge games? For what? Paying him a quarter of a BILLION dollars to be bang-average? If anything he should throw the game any time he plays against Denver to repay the fans who had to watch him suck for two years.
The Seahawks traded their supposed HOF qb because he went into the front office, either multiple years left on his contract, and demanded a massive new contract. They laughed and traded him. He got that contract and crapped the bed. He’s awful.
The problem is that Russ drank the koolaid the media was giving him. It was never his fault. It was always someone else. So he went to Denver thinking he was THAT guy and he got exposed.
@@thedarkestowl4224 Geno Smith took what he was working with in Seattle and instantly made them look better Denver had weapons, supposedly they were "just a QB away" lol so yeah, try another excuse
More than two months ago, possibly three, I speculated with a friend of mine, who lives in Massachusetts, that perhaps the patriots were acquire Russell Wilson, either through trade, or if the Broncos cut him. It was very clear to me that he no longer fit in their plans. I think there’s a very good chance that New England will sign Russell Wilson, even if it’s for a, short term contract, while also drafting a quarterback, just to make sure they are much better next year.
You’re not wrong, Russ had success in Seattle cause he just had to not turn the ball over and they relied on Beast mode to run the ball and that legion of boom defense.. Alex Smith could’ve done the same thing with that team. And Russ even cost them the 2nd Super Bowl with a pass that was behind the receiver and the CB could jump it. He may have been good to the community but he was an awful teammate, so many similar stories of players saying they’d try to get ahold of him and they’d have to basically make an appointment with his receptionist to talk to him and couldn’t have his phone #.. then he shows up in Denver with his own office on 2nd floor not even in the locker room with the guys, has his own parking spot, own team with access to everything the players do. Dude just thought he was better than everyone else cause he married a celebrity and got that status and big pay day. Sure he put up numbers when they had Penny and no namers at RB but they never went anywheres in the playoffs and were never seen as a real threat to anyone. Idk what team would take him now if he wants to start, Denver had the best roster of any team that is looking for a QB right now that doesn’t plan on drafting one. His best bet is backup QB somewheres but he’s probably to full of himself to accept that type of role
@kylem6370 oooh yeah, forgot about what a lame teammate he is. That Marshawn podcast with Shannon was mind blowing. I can maybe understand not giving your number to some scrub on the team for just 1 year. But to treat Marshawn like that is some prima donna BS. Not only a great player but a dude you count on to LITERALLY have your back by picking up that 240 pound backer looking to knock you into last month. You really THAT much more big time that you can't give that dude your phone number? Russ can fugg off with that BS
As a Broncos fan for over 45 years, we have had some ups and downs over the decades. However, we have gone from a great owner to no owner to Walmart owners. So depressing. I am now the fan of organization that will be at the bottom of the league for a very long time.
To say the least, we will have to replay Super Bowl 50 for a long time because you’ll have to survive on that crumb for years. Sean Payton is not the answer either.
Everyone forgets... one year prior to being traded Wilson had a hand injury and i felt they diminished his trade value completely and missed the boat. One year later i could not believe what Broncos gave up for him. I thought he has declined but i could not believe the contract, and also how he fell off the face of the earth as a player.
That entire draft class had so much potential. Andrew Luck was in my eyes the next Peyton Manning, with great leadership and had a presence about him but injuries ended his career. RG3 had great potential and eventually lost his job to an unknown Kirk Cousins and now this? Damn!
I don't know why Wilson gets so many accolades. Justin Herbert in his first three seasons passed for more yards each year than Wilson ever has passed for in a season.
Yards don't win games, let alone championships. JH is a likeable player and a great talent. but in his first four years in the league he only made it to one playoff game and lost it.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 You must be a young'un. John Elway didn't win anything until late in his career. But he was still an elite QB early in his career. QBs can't do it all themselves. They need a good team around them. Elway didn't get it done until he had a great RB, Terrell Davis, on the field with him.
In order for Russ to be good, he needs a strong running game. He’s really good off play action and throwing it deep. The last couple years in Seattle, he didn’t have that and the holes in his game were exposed. He can’t see the middle of the field, so your passing game is limited to outside and vertical throws.
These guys, they never saw many Russell Wilson games from start to finish. Why bother? They're focused on the big picture. But for us who followed Wilson closely, none of this is surprising. The real mystery? What were those folks in Denver thinking?
I believe the disastrous pass call at the end of Super Bowl 49, which Seattle had in hand, have these many years later scuttled both Wilson's and Carrol's careers.The consequences of that play were devastating and far reaching.
For years i said that Sean Payton was overrated as a Head coach and everybody called me a jackass because I said he was riding the coattails of a Hall of fame quarterback in drew brees.....
Not a Seattle or Denver fan but when Wilson was in Seattle, I often found the games difficult to watch offensively. They didn't move the ball alot of times it seemed until they needed the one drive to win the game with a baseball score. Their defense was so dominate back then. I always felt like Seattle 'managed' Wilson. He isn't going to win 1 more superbowl let alone the two he wants unless he ends up on a team with another generational defense where he's not asked to do it all.
"I often found the games difficult to watch offensively." Same, dude, same😂 I mean,he had his moments (not talking about Fail Mary; many of us don't consider that a win), but in the last several years it felt like an allergy to the end zone once we got there.
Really you found them difficult.....so Geno smith is lighting it up ..are you nuts ....the coach got fired after 2 seasons without qilson what does that say....just say you don't like the man ...we move on
@@markkaasha2111bro geno beat russ’ single season record of passing yards and passing attempts in his first year as starter and had a top 5 offense for the first time since 2005 in 2022 😂. so he’s speaking straight facts. watch some seahawks games next time lmao
Pete being able to bring a reportedly untalented roster to the playoffs with Geno Smith and have 2 winning seasons following the trade to me helped erase the rumor that Pete was riding on Wilsons coattails.
Since it’s highly unlikely that we’re trading up for Jayden Daniels, I’d sign Russ for a year! That way we could focus on building our trenches in this years draft! 🏴☠️
Absolutely f’n NOT! Are you not paying attention to what the locker room and the coaches are saying. It’s character they want as much as talent. Russell Wilson does NOT have the character we want in that locker room. Look at what Denver just did! They just ate 85 million to be rid of him. Let that sink in.
@@MichaelH416 idk man sometimes when your back is against the wall like Russ is, you got no choice lol but I get the character issue. Who you think we’re getting at QB?
As a chiefs fan I was nervous when the Broncos got Russ cuz their was so much talk about them being a QB away and I always knew Russ as a Pro Bowl level QB which after verifying he made 9 times.
No you have really bad management. Russel Wilson during the 2023 season went head to head with Patrick Mahomes and out played him. He went up against the number 1# NFL defensive in Jason Garrett and beat them as well. It showed very clearly that Russell Wilson is still a very good quarterback.
The latest trend of NFL defenses over the last 3 or 4 years with 2 high safeties basically killed Wilson best skill. Also his athleticism declined, so now his improvisations skills are not effective anynore. Even when he was at his best in Seattle, he was mediocre at best in reading defenses and in throwing over the middle short to middle. I don't even consider the 2022 season because Hackett is the worst coach ever so everything happened that year doesn't count, but Wilson decline is pretty evident anyway.
Sean Payton: "Nathaniel Hackett did one of the worst coaching jobs of all time. How could he not win with this guy?!" Sean Payton, 1 year later: "I can't win with this guy!" 🤣
As a lifelong Seattle fan and a dedicated "Russell Wilson is an absolute goober" Club member, my take from all this is that... I was delighted by Denver sucking and being horribly mismanaged in the Nathaniel Hackett era. It felt like watching someone get a Lamborghini and then try to do donuts and spin it into the ditch. Then when Sean Payton came in... it felt like someone who hated Lamborghinis and ONLY wanted a Ferrari, so he maliciously drove missed gears and tried to show what a terrible car this Lambo is by taking it off-roading and doing tractor pulls with it. Then he says "see? Lamborghinis are terrible cars. I need a Ferrari!" It's a shame to see, because as much as I loved what Seattle got from the trade, it's a shame to watch someone be so horribly mishandled. I'd honestly take him back in a heartbeat and have him start next hear for the 'Hawks. If he played at league minimum and stuck Denver with the tab... god. I would never stop laughing.
I blame all the media who proclaimed Russ was the missing piece for an overrated broncos team last year 😂😂 also Sean Payton is the NFL version of Doc Rivers.
I don’t believe that any team will be rushing to sign Russel Wilson based on his horrible performance in Denver. He took all that money and didn’t even look like he was trying. I would be seriously concerned by his complete lack of effort in Denver.
Rus will try to suck up as much of the teams cap as possible under the disguise of pushing the market for the next guy. If I were the GM of the hawks I’d had Rus out the door a year earlier to Miami and 3 1st round picks. Turn the tape on his route anticipation is awful
I read a Ludacris article last week by hiptoro, whatever that is, about Russell Wilson should land in Detroit because of the uncertainty of Jared Goff's situation and contract. HELL NO! Lions fans don't want Russ over Jared! NO WAY, NO HOW, NO WHERE!
To me Russ's last 3 years tell me he needs high quality WRs. My stock for Lockett and Metcalf went way up the first year Russ was in Denver when they helped elevate Geno and Russ's performance went over a cliff without them. So if I'm a team looking at WIlson, the first question I'm asking is how my WRs stack up to Lockett and Metcalf.
It does for certain type of demographic that is held to a different standard on top of him having such a polarizing personality. These ppl never liked Russ. They were always ready to try to write him out the HOF if he had a bad season. 2022 a year he was injured with an incompetent head coach and depleted Oline and RB room is all they needed. Now that he played better in 2023, the damage was done as they pretended he wasn't good all year long despite it being obvious the defense was real reason they started 1-5.
What happened with Russ was all the broncos doing. Terrible coach his first year, he would have probably done better without a coach. Then his second year he has a coach who wants him gone the whole time. After they told him they wanted him to give up his injury guarantee he probably just shut down. They did him dirty. I hope the broncos suck for the next 5 years, Payton gets fired with 4-13 seasons, and Russ finds somewhere to show them up. The dude works harder than anyone, is so inspirational with what he does for the community. The broncos did the Walter Payton MOY dirty. I've hated the broncos since the days when we had Largent and the Boz. Still do. GO HAWKS!
The comprehensive story about RW in Denver -- the one that comes after all the dust has long settled and temperatures approach normal -- is the one I'm looking forward to. When my Broncos (I've followed them since a boy in '65, and have watched a lot of football since) swung that trade, I thought it a fantastic move. I was WAY off. Light-years. Couldn't have been more wrong. I want to know what happened, as close to truth as possible.
They had two terrible coaches. Doesn't matter how talented a team is, with poor leadership it will always end in disaster. It wasn't Russ, it was the coaches and head office. They have terrible and inept leadership
IMO inflated expectations in a world where everyone thinks a great player is like a machine you just plug in and forget the rest is just not working. He had 2 years with 2 different coaches and systems and was coming back from an injury. He was getting better and one more season would have proven he was the right choice but that was not the expectation sold to the world. As a Raiders fan, I can see where organizations are to blame and not only the players...and I hope Raiders pick him up!
I still think Walker is the worst trade in NFL history with Wilson in second because of what Dallas got. With one of those draft picks Dallas ended up getting Emmitt Smith. Seattle hasn't gotten anywhere near that kind of player that we know of right now anyway
The only reason they traded so much for him was to boost bidding before the sale of the team. They knew he wasnt worth it which is why they extended his contract before a down was played. That way they could say they have a franchise quarterback to drive the price up.
He is still an all star in the right system. His style of play just isn't as quick to counter a bad o line but he can still throw it to anyone all over the field.
A lot of people said that Sean Payton could fix him and he did to an extent but made Russ Mr. Limited in that offense. Russ has changed his game a bit but can he still do it by the way he plays? It'll be interesting to see. As a Broncos fan I was nervous as much as excited about thst trade, and now whomp! Plus the extension wtf that was stupid
I think Payton didn't like Russ and called a bunch of plays that weren't how to use him just to see him fail. He needed a scape goat. Can't wait til they suck again next year and he tries to blame someone else again
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“Tough times?!” $39m guaranteed? I wish I had it so tough.
hahahaaaaaa...perfectly said
Exactly... millionaires call that a tough time?
As a competitor and someone whos clearly very ambitious, yeah, it's a tough time, as just a person though, yeah it couldn't be an easier time
@@aaronkaminski9138People on the internet can’t wrap their heads around the fact that someone having money doesn’t mean they can’t be depressed or feel bad.
We should start a "go fund me"
Gee, if only someone could have seen it coming, Like maybe Pete Caroll.
Two years without Russ and Pete got fired.
@@disqusrubbish5467yes but not because he was a bad coach, but because seattle needed something different to make that leap. It ain’t like bill who has just no idea how to win games without Brady.
Carroll, is looking for any NFL position now except water person! Sad!😮
@@Agent77X dude turned down multiple jobs to stay in Seattle.
pete was 7-9 2 years in a row and going into a season with matt fylnn at QB vs the 49ers harbaugh teams lmao. He woulda been fired for a 3rd team and just been known as a college coach if russell wilson didn't save his job and the seahawks. And before you cry and pushback, pete has admitted he would've been fired long ago without russ, look it up.
People calling this the worst trade in nfl is absolutely disgusting… as a Seahawks fan I’d rather call this the best 1 sided trade in NFL history.
Except the Seahawks haven't done much despite everything they got in that trade. Outside of the coach getting fired....er "reassigned" LOL!
@@shep68Aside from draft all of those great players and not have to pay Russell Wilson. But yeah sure they haven’t done anything.
@@shep68uh they’ve done a lot. They aren’t gonna now pay $85 mill dead cap and have great young player.
@@R17759agree hawks were always gonna win the trade.
@@R17759 They're a mediocre team. What was Denver's record this year? What was Seattle's record?
14:30 "Showing everybody that you are not cooked."
If that wasn't an intentional pun, then it was the best Freudian slip of all time
“That’s not what he wanted to cook”
- Patrick Star
Seahawk fan here, Wilson never really regained his quickness after being injured. He was no longer as elusive.
yeah, a damn shame his "elusiveness" is a bigger talking point than his touchdowns to interceptions ratio no one brings up.
@@manleyfgc7981 also a shame nobody brings up his 50.7, 21st ranking, QBR.
Where have you been? His touchdown to int ratio is brought up non stop.
“He was” is the most accurate part of this whole 15min video
Russ has to get on a team even if he tries as coach. Russ cant let the HOF go!
The worst thing about the Broncos trade was signing Wilson to that huge extension without him ever playing a down for them.
Exactly. I can understand the hail mary trade to secure what you think is the next best QB (after failing to land AR). What cannot be excused is that huge extension
@@TheForbidden_1ne If I recall, Wilson had a no-trade clause in his Seattle contract. Part of why Seattle was ready to move on is that they didn't want to be on the hook for yet another huge extension. Wilson's agent is ruthless and gets top dollar. Thus, there never would have been a trade to Denver without the agreement to extend his contract ASAP. So they made the trade knowing they were also extending him.
Wilson has won at the business game of the NFL and I have zero sympathy for billionaires having to honor a contract they presented to one of their employees.
Agreed. And he was coming off a couple of not so good years with the Hawks. He wasn't terrible. But he hadn't really looked like the old Russell Wilson in a year or two. It was worth a chance to see what you could do with him, and trade for him. But they paid too much, and that Extension was terrible. But that's the NFL - and QBs.
I don't understand why people think he's gonna play football next year. He would make exactly the same amount doing nothing. Why play a dangerous game for essentially free?
Agreed. I think the reason they signed him to an extension when they did is because Herbert and Lamar Jackson were negotiating extensions and after Deshawn Watson hit all of that guaranteed money they were afraid that Herbert and Jackson would reset the market and they’d have to pay him more after he performed well. Turns out that was a very bad idea.
As a Seattle fan who could never quite bring themself to buying his journey, a little sour when he left initially, I wish Russ all the best. Great piece, Rich
He went to Denver, they let him have his own kitchen, Hacket let him cook and he burned the dinner. Then when Sean asked him to change the menu Russ wouldn't cook it the way Sean asked him to. Oil and water, it wasn't ever going to work now they're stuck with the bill.
This is beautiful
Actually lil sean asked Russ to change the injury clause in his contract. Check out his appearance on the I am athlete pod.
As a die-hard Bronco fan, I've gotta say, we're totally screwed over after that trade. Jarred's just as bad, if not worse, than Drew Lock. Can you believe all the cash and draft picks we threw away? George Paton needs to be shown the door, pronto. This move has knocked us back big time. I'm beyond pissed at how terrible this trade turned out. Not to mention signing Danger Russ to a new contract prior to playing one freaking down for the Broncos.
I feel bad for ya. You all got it rough. A terrible gm and an overrated hack for a head coach. Good luck with all that. Just keep this in the back of your mind about Payton. He left NO before he got exposed like Belichick did when Brady left. Just like Bill, Payton success as a coach was due to Breese being a beast. After he retired, Payton’s legacy would have been tarnished so he left. He’s blaming Russ for his lack of success last year and now he’s gonna ride the rebuilding excuse as long as he can then he’ll retire again before bronco fans R U N him O F T. 😊
You need a really hard tank for two years.
Stop trying to win 9 wins, and start trying to accumulate draft capital and space.
Can the present leadership do that and survive?
Hindsight is 20/20 my man, at that time, very few outside of some Seattle fans themselves were criticizing that trade.
As for the contract, Paton is not to blame, the ownership is. Paton is on record saying he wanted to wait til later in the season to talk about an extension but ownership pushed to get it done ASAP
The next QB will cost the Broncos $89 million in cap, $39 million in cash, and the new guy's salary. So this year the QB will cost about $130 million. Mahomes: "Wait - what?!" Paton and Payton should be shown the door.
@@disqusrubbish5467 The contract was ownerships doing, not Paton, and Payton wasn’t even there yet… at least put the blame where it belongs
imagine he goes back to seattle and takes the league minimum completing the most ultimate trade fleece of all time
Wishful thinking.
I don't want him back.
For this type of reason, I think the broncos should have kept him and made him hold the ball for kicks and play on special teams, f*** Russell Wilson for the level of play he gave us for the insane amount of money we paid him.
Only Nick Wright was completely right about Russ from the the moment he was traded from seattle that he was cooked, to the moment Payton was hired and saying Russ would be cut.
Props to that man.
Note: Nick Wright was Nick Wrong when predicting The Goat Tom Brady’s demise
@@lvbluestreak is Tom Brady Russell Wilson
As a broncos fan who watched every game over the last 2 years, russ was not worth the 250 million dollar contract plain and simple.
@casey2346 He didn't play a single game on that contract, of course it wasn't worth it. I will say that landing in Denver could have worked out well for him, but that albatross contract hamstrung him in the end.
That contract came at a time when 3 other QBs also received quarter billion contracts. (Russell, Rogers, Mahomes, and the Cleveland Massage King). Only one made the playoffs that season lol
Amazing insight...please tell us how water is wet and the sky is blue now.
Wow thank you for that brilliant insight lol
There's only 5-9 QBs who are worth that much, but the league is going to pay at least 16 QBs in that range over the next few years.
First the Seahawks squashed the Broncos in the Super Bowl, then beat them 3 out of 4 times since then, (I believe) then absolutely fleeced them in the Russell Wilson trade. I think we’ve paid them back for all the losses in the AFC West days!
all time record is broncos 35-22.
@@cloudboy.xAnd since super bowl 48?
Elway killed us every year
@@epa316it’s still35-22
@@Spamual2 Broncos fans have those regular season wins, Seahawks fans have a super bowl trophy over the Broncos.
Only shocking to those not watching him week to week in Seattle. Many of us saw his decline was in process.
in my opinion, his last two seasons for the Seahawks were poor. He was in decline and we all saw it apart from the Broncos staff
Seahawks fans told Broncos fans this when the trade was rumoured before Wilson had even played his first game for the Broncos. So as a Broncos fan I said this was going to happen. No antidote for shock needed here! Seattle fans were pretty unanimous in calling this.
@@kellyshaw7271 He had amazing stats in the front half of 2020 and 2021, but trailed off considerably in the back half of those 2 years. First half of 2020 he had 28 TDs and 8 INTs with a 117 passer rating. But in the final 8 games, 12 TDs, 5 INTs, 91.3 rating. Very average. Then in 2021 he had a finger injury I think and was up and down statistically after that.
Russ has always had a limited playstyle, even at his peak. 30 yard moonball TDs or a sack. He just can't throw down the middle of the field.
Definitely declined but it’s too many horrible qbs in the nfl totally devalue him
Wilson has amazing skills AND consternating deficits. His ability to rainbow to the sidelines is elite, up there with Eli and Aaron. Seeing him spy Lockett on a sidelines go put butterflies in every opponent's stomach. But he had trouble assessing chaos, especially meshes in the middle of the field, and defaulted to deer in the headlights too often. Tell me you put him with an Andy Reid and he's at least Donovan McNabb. He needs someone attuned to his skills AND his decifits.
I agree and think he would be better than McNabb was under Reid.
Isn't it weird.. He said Russel entered into the league 2012. So his 2nd year he won a SB, just like Brady. On an upward trend. He was even doing better because he made it back to back sooner.. But that pass he made to Butler it's like two parallel universes could've split there. If he won he's got 2 in 2 years and propels forward a dynasty up to now. Instead Brady wins to kickstart his 2nd career dynasty after 10 years. And that propels him forward almost 10 years to attending 4 more Superbowls, winning 3.
That run was The Legion of Boom, not Russ. Russ had one of the greatest defenses ever. Sure Russ played good, but he didn’t carry the team. The D carried that team.
If he had* won, he would* be* 2 in 2 years and have* propelled* forward a dynasty ...
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s Without Russ, that team doesn't win or get to a Super Bowl--not even one. They needed a dynamic quarterback with game-changing abilities. They found that in Russ. If they had decided to start Flynn instead, they're a playoff team that never wins a Super Bowl. People who pretend like Russ wasn't one of the reasons those Seahawks teams got to back to back Super Bowls are in denial.
@@brandonb.5304 if he was the reason, why didn’t they go back after the legion of boom was gone? Russ never did anything without a great defense and a running game. What you are in denial about is that a QB can take chances when you have an all time great D and a great running game. Russ has had his chance to be the guy. History has shown he isn’t the guy, he wasn’t the guy. He was just the guy that was lucky to QB a great team.
As a Seahawks fan I think it would be fitting for him to go to New England, he already completed a Super Bowl winning pass to a Patriot.
Class act, even out the door. Wishing Russ a Baker year in 2024.
"class act" haha he's a giant phony who puts on a fake face for PR, it's why he's struggled to maintain the respect of his own teammates for years now despite being viewed as a "winning franchise QB"
just goes to show how easily duped people are....... the dude sat in his own office away from his own teammates because he viewed himself as better than them.....yeah super classy
Speaking out of your a$$...
@@mattcarberry368You sound mad and broke bro....stop hating.
Lmao okay
This guy gets trashed on by the organization and still shows no emotion.
russ's issue is he became a celebrity quarterback and not a quarterback who is a celebrity.
9 great seasons w/ the best rating in NFL history still makes you a Hall of Fame guy
9 great seasons might not cut it from a QB given how many top notch QBs there are over the last 20 years. The bar is different.
I can't see any scenario where Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer that doesn't involve an immediate and sustained turnaround. There wasn't a single time in his career that he was the best player on his team.
Let's ride!!
…to the next team. 🏇
The ride never ends
That's a joke ride where
I feel like the primary reason he put out a full statement this time around isn't so much about being more loyal to Denver than Seattle. To me I think he learned his lesson and probably regrets leaving Seattle with only a single tweet
Here's the thing for a lot of us Seattle fans. We still like Russell, his dorkiness and all. In 20 years I'll still look back at the 2013 season with nothing but joy. But it is nice he took a little more time in his departure to thank Denver.
I thought the primary reason he put out a full statement was to diss Payton and Paton with the glaring omission of not thanking them.
@@el80ne Works on both levels I think
6:38 subtle Mad Men reference
"Not great Bob!"
Russ, as good as he is, still can't see midfield over the heads of lineman. A good OC should find away to utilize Russell's strengths which are many! His arm, head, and legs still work.
lol always blaming coaches
I saw Russell Wilson up close here in Minneapolis during the Eagles-Pats Super Bowl here. I couldn't believe how jacked he looked, his shoulders were huge, like a RB.
If this was last year, that rb would have been eddy lacy 😂
Uhh... Hawks fans saw this coming a couple years ago
Seen it with russ and Pete really, alot of hawks fan wanted both shipped off in a package deal.... it was fun while it lasted but pretty obvious it had ended
He tossed like 40 TDs a few years ago. I don’t know what you saw
@@amsey3700 that was 4 years ago. We saw this coming when Russ wanted a % of the salary cap on his last Seattle contract. He got too big for his britches... he got a big slice of humble pie.
@@uwone7778true…2 out of the last 3 years he’s thrown 25+ TD with 8 or less INT, not including rushing TDs…Still pretty good …better numbers in 2023 than Geno Smith…and they benched him for a few games…Russ is still TOP 10 QB
@@amsey3700 not even close to top 10. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Tua, Dak, Purdy, Stafford, Goff, Stroud, Love, Herbert, Lawrence. He isn’t better than any of those QB’s right now
I can’t believe they took the dead cap hit. That’s what blows my mind.
I think it's great ... I hope it's the 1st of many domino's to fall. Tired of the overpaid/QB era. League should set a max contract of 10% of the cap.
Broncos fan who’s had a rough 2yrs and knew this was coming…but part of me still can’t believe what all’s happened here.
Seattle fans told us what was going to happen when the trade was rumoured what’s less when it happened. His skill set has the same limitations it always has the difference was Pete Carroll/offensive co ordinator adjusted to accommodate it. Saw him live the whole middle of the field got no action he can’t see it that’s why he holds on to the ball, scrambles and conducts his backyard plays
When Hackett went for that 60+ yard field goal in his first game rather than trust Wilson to make the play said it all. He was used to working with elite Rodgers. Just goes to show skill set needs to be combined with the right situation.
Also for those saying Russ isn’t a hall of famer anymore, when he was in his prime the NFC West was one of the most competitive divisions, his top receivers were Tyler Lockett, Doug Baldwin, and jimmy graham. All of which would be number 2 maybe number 3 receivers on other teams. Brady played a bunch of guys in the east for years, rogers had the bears and the lions 4 times a year for years, mahomes has virtually no competition in the west. Pick your favorite QB in the last 20 years, most likely he is in the same camp unless his name is Russell Wilson.
Jimmy* Graham*, Aaron Rodgers*, Patrick Mahomes*
He is a superbowl champion, that can't be said for 90% of the current starting QB's.
So was Trent Dilfer - what is your point? He sucks
You could have said that about Trent Dilfer
A lot of QBs would've won a SB with Marshawn Lynch as your RB and Legion of Boom defense. Winning the SB isn't the only thing you can grade QBs on. By that theory Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson had better careers than Dan Marino and Dan Fouts.
it's amazing how many people fail to grasp the concept of a TEAM sport....... "he" won a Super Bowl as a young QB that was asked to do the bare minimum on a team that was built around an ELITE defense and an ELITE running game....... what has "he" ever won since he demanded that everything be built around him, since he started prioritizing "cooking" his way to MVP votes and demanding that he be given the Tom Brady treatment of essentially running a franchise? NOTHING, in fact he's literally gotten WORSE every year since then
If I remember correctly, the offence didn't have to go to NY for Seattle to win that Superbowl.
When Wilson got paid and married Ciara, he got happy and satisfied. He didn't have to do anything more because he didn't want to do more. All you have to see is the last couple of years in Seattle and his time in Denver that tells you going back to the Super Bowl was not the priority in his life. It is what it is with him.
So blaming the woman? wow.
Nobody's blaming the woman but if you want to think that way, go for it.
Only shocking if you haven’t been paying any attention to the league
Agreed
Exactly.
@@tengille They're ripping the band-aid off rather than slowly let it hurt. Sure they might make it to a wild card game with Russ, but it's pretty obvious he's not the solution. George Paton made a horrible mistake for the organization while they were going through a new ownership transition, & deserves most of the blame for this embarrassment for everyone involved
It's worse than the Herschel Walker trade because the Vikings kept having winning seasons and going to the playoffs.
Rule #31: If a franchise trades or cuts its healthy starting quarterback without a plan B at the position, there is a high likelihood that they are no longer a franchise quarterback. You bring him in at your own peril and you should absolutely know that the chances of success are low.
Franchise QBs are a rare and premium commodity, and when you believe you have one, you keep them. This is now the second franchise to cut ties without a legitimate backup plan, so it tells me that the dude is washed. It doesn't mean Russ will never start again, it just means he likely won't be the answer for anyone.
The reason they cut him is because he is too expensive.
They cut him because he was good. They signed him to that contract & kicked him to the curb BEFORE it started.
If he was the guy they wouldn’t have cut him
@@Freerider93 A player is only too expensive if his ability and production doesn't match his paycheck. So you're right, Russ was cut because he was getting paid to be excellent and he struggled for the better part of a season and a half to simply be good. That ability and production isn't magically reappearing if motivators and teachers like Pete Carroll and Sean Payton can't squeeze it out of you.
@@JetForceFiveSean Payton is neither a motivator or teacher. He likes who he likes and he’s not changing for no one . Thats the reality of this situation, you can win with Russ. Russ is in the same situation Goff and baker were in a year ago.
@tyronegrant3422 I don't know, he had a lot of success for a lot of years and helped coach up a lot of stars and future Hall of Famers. Payton didn't inherit a winning franchise in New Orleans or in Denver but managed to get one of them to the mountain top (so far). I'm a Chiefs fan, so I really don't care how this works out for Denver or for Russ. But even as a fan of another team, I know that if Seattle and Denver could have won with this version of Russ, they would have won with this version of Russ. 🤷 Whatever market value Russell Wilson has right now, is because of what Payton was able to get out of him. Because his first year after being moved by the team that drafted him lowered his stock considerably. Imagining what Russ can be for someone else is not reality, that is a guess at best. The reality is that the team that wanted him to be great the most (Seattle) didn't want him in the building, and the team that had hope that he would bounce back (Denver) now doesn't want him in the building. Those are real things that happened. Reality.
As someone who is from STL Kurt Warner’s fall off was pretty sudden to the point where people actually forget he played in NYG with Eli. I know injuries had a lot to do with it but still he went from MVP to backup real quick
Anybody that walks away from a football team with that amount of cash SHOULD thank the whole world.
„…to kick it from, you know, Vancouver“ 😂
Vegas Raiders are the best bet for Russ…they have a Defensive HC who loves passion and playmaking, and will encourage Russ to improvise and make plays. Plus 2 revenge games a year against Sean and the Broncos…great drama.
Revenge games? For what? Paying him a quarter of a BILLION dollars to be bang-average? If anything he should throw the game any time he plays against Denver to repay the fans who had to watch him suck for two years.
@@wgriffin3460 then it would be your revenge games…either way…your response is what I am talking about generally.
The Seahawks traded their supposed HOF qb because he went into the front office, either multiple years left on his contract, and demanded a massive new contract. They laughed and traded him. He got that contract and crapped the bed. He’s awful.
The problem is that Russ drank the koolaid the media was giving him. It was never his fault. It was always someone else. So he went to Denver thinking he was THAT guy and he got exposed.
Partially true. You left the part out about how there wasn't much for him to work with when he arrived.
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@@sirwilliamclickclack7492 Could be.
@@thedarkestowl4224 Geno Smith took what he was working with in Seattle and instantly made them look better
Denver had weapons, supposedly they were "just a QB away" lol so yeah, try another excuse
The media also shot down his confidence.
More than two months ago, possibly three, I speculated with a friend of mine, who lives in Massachusetts, that perhaps the patriots were acquire Russell Wilson, either through trade, or if the Broncos cut him. It was very clear to me that he no longer fit in their plans. I think there’s a very good chance that New England will sign Russell Wilson, even if it’s for a, short term contract, while also drafting a quarterback, just to make sure they are much better next year.
Tough times 😂😂😂...I'd love his tough times.
when did Team 3 come into the picture? i bet that makes things make sense...
It's not that shocking if you paid attention to his career. He was carried by Marshawn & Defense and was barely even mid without those.
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@@sirwilliamclickclack7492 nice use of the Russ emoji
😂😂
You’re not wrong, Russ had success in Seattle cause he just had to not turn the ball over and they relied on Beast mode to run the ball and that legion of boom defense.. Alex Smith could’ve done the same thing with that team. And Russ even cost them the 2nd Super Bowl with a pass that was behind the receiver and the CB could jump it. He may have been good to the community but he was an awful teammate, so many similar stories of players saying they’d try to get ahold of him and they’d have to basically make an appointment with his receptionist to talk to him and couldn’t have his phone #.. then he shows up in Denver with his own office on 2nd floor not even in the locker room with the guys, has his own parking spot, own team with access to everything the players do. Dude just thought he was better than everyone else cause he married a celebrity and got that status and big pay day. Sure he put up numbers when they had Penny and no namers at RB but they never went anywheres in the playoffs and were never seen as a real threat to anyone. Idk what team would take him now if he wants to start, Denver had the best roster of any team that is looking for a QB right now that doesn’t plan on drafting one. His best bet is backup QB somewheres but he’s probably to full of himself to accept that type of role
@kylem6370 oooh yeah, forgot about what a lame teammate he is. That Marshawn podcast with Shannon was mind blowing. I can maybe understand not giving your number to some scrub on the team for just 1 year. But to treat Marshawn like that is some prima donna BS. Not only a great player but a dude you count on to LITERALLY have your back by picking up that 240 pound backer looking to knock you into last month. You really THAT much more big time that you can't give that dude your phone number? Russ can fugg off with that BS
As a Broncos fan for over 45 years, we have had some ups and downs over the decades. However, we have gone from a great owner to no owner to Walmart owners. So depressing. I am now the fan of organization that will be at the bottom of the league for a very long time.
To say the least, we will have to replay Super Bowl 50 for a long time because you’ll have to survive on that crumb for years. Sean Payton is not the answer either.
#3 is better than 7 or 8 current QB starters ( ie NYG ) ... he should get another chance
26TD 8 INT, that’s not a bad year
Great take / overview on a very good QB that still has the skills & is still hungry to win. : )
Everyone forgets... one year prior to being traded Wilson had a hand injury and i felt they diminished his trade value completely and missed the boat. One year later i could not believe what Broncos gave up for him. I thought he has declined but i could not believe the contract, and also how he fell off the face of the earth as a player.
Should’ve audibled to Beast Mode.
BRUH 👏👏👏, That's what QB's do !!! Common sense says, coach called some bullshit but we gonna audible to beast mode !
@@outthebox843 Manning, Elway, Brady make that audible. Dan Marino makes that pass. Russ ain't that guy.
He audibled out of beast mode lol. According to some of the players in the huddle, it was a run play and russ changed it
That entire draft class had so much potential. Andrew Luck was in my eyes the next Peyton Manning, with great leadership and had a presence about him but injuries ended his career. RG3 had great potential and eventually lost his job to an unknown Kirk Cousins and now this? Damn!
Well russ has a ring at least, different league then the other two
Seahawks just Laughing their asses off at this moment lol.
Even with the bounty from the trade they missed the playoffs
I don't know why Wilson gets so many accolades. Justin Herbert in his first three seasons passed for more yards each year than Wilson ever has passed for in a season.
Yards don't win games, let alone championships. JH is a likeable player and a great talent. but in his first four years in the league he only made it to one playoff game and lost it.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 You must be a young'un. John Elway didn't win anything until late in his career. But he was still an elite QB early in his career. QBs can't do it all themselves. They need a good team around them. Elway didn't get it done until he had a great RB, Terrell Davis, on the field with him.
He forced his way out of Seattle and doesn’t own up to his own shortcomings. He’s a nice guy and all but his best play is long behind him.
2:38 WTH is that walking past the window in the background?
Thats funny as hell lol! Good Eye! LMAO
In order for Russ to be good, he needs a strong running game. He’s really good off play action and throwing it deep. The last couple years in Seattle, he didn’t have that and the holes in his game were exposed. He can’t see the middle of the field, so your passing game is limited to outside and vertical throws.
Richard Sherman is smiling and saying "I told you so" somewhere now ...
“Pride goeth before a fall.”
Unfortunately, that's only true like 1% of the time.
These guys, they never saw many Russell Wilson games from start to finish. Why bother? They're focused on the big picture. But for us who followed Wilson closely, none of this is surprising. The real mystery? What were those folks in Denver thinking?
It was on the NFL App yesterday. Will be interesting to see where he ends up...maybe backing up Aaron Rodgers @ NYJ?
He’s basically a backup now. Hes proved that in Denver. They gave up all that and should have just kept Lock 🥲
I believe the disastrous pass call at the end of Super Bowl 49, which Seattle had in hand, have these many years later scuttled both Wilson's and Carrol's careers.The consequences of that play were devastating and far reaching.
For years i said that Sean Payton was overrated as a Head coach and everybody called me a jackass because I said he was riding the coattails of a Hall of fame quarterback in drew brees.....
Don't worry; Payton will fall flat on his a$$ again in 2024 and prove that you're absolutely right.
Oh Pete Carrolls the problem.
Oh Nathaniel Hackett’s the problem.
Oh Sean Payton’s a bum.
As a pattern?
💯
Not a Seattle or Denver fan but when Wilson was in Seattle, I often found the games difficult to watch offensively. They didn't move the ball alot of times it seemed until they needed the one drive to win the game with a baseball score. Their defense was so dominate back then. I always felt like Seattle 'managed' Wilson.
He isn't going to win 1 more superbowl let alone the two he wants unless he ends up on a team with another generational defense where he's not asked to do it all.
"I often found the games difficult to watch offensively." Same, dude, same😂 I mean,he had his moments (not talking about Fail Mary; many of us don't consider that a win), but in the last several years it felt like an allergy to the end zone once we got there.
Really you found them difficult.....so Geno smith is lighting it up ..are you nuts ....the coach got fired after 2 seasons without qilson what does that say....just say you don't like the man ...we move on
@@markkaasha2111bro geno beat russ’ single season record of passing yards and passing attempts in his first year as starter and had a top 5 offense for the first time since 2005 in 2022 😂. so he’s speaking straight facts. watch some seahawks games next time lmao
That’s EXACTLY what he did in Denver. It felt like he was allergic to getting first downs
What about the touchdown that Russ threw to take the Seahawaks to the Superbowl in 2014
Pete Carroll looks like a genius now
Pete being able to bring a reportedly untalented roster to the playoffs with Geno Smith and have 2 winning seasons following the trade to me helped erase the rumor that Pete was riding on Wilsons coattails.
It was kind of a Dbag move on Russ' part by not thanking the Walton-Penner's for paying him $124M for 11 wins in two years that is $11.27M per win.
Since it’s highly unlikely that we’re trading up for Jayden Daniels, I’d sign Russ for a year! That way we could focus on building our trenches in this years draft! 🏴☠️
Maybe we can finally get a good DT, and then let Spencer Rattler learn from Russ. It's a good plan to me.
Absolutely f’n NOT! Are you not paying attention to what the locker room and the coaches are saying. It’s character they want as much as talent. Russell Wilson does NOT have the character we want in that locker room. Look at what Denver just did! They just ate 85 million to be rid of him. Let that sink in.
@@MichaelH416 idk man sometimes when your back is against the wall like Russ is, you got no choice lol but I get the character issue. Who you think we’re getting at QB?
@@Captain_Raider I think AP can pump him up
@@2lowlxi same 💯
Most fair of all of the Russ stories i have heard in the last 2 days.
As a chiefs fan I was nervous when the Broncos got Russ cuz their was so much talk about them being a QB away and I always knew Russ as a Pro Bowl level QB which after verifying he made 9 times.
No you have really bad management. Russel Wilson during the 2023 season went head to head with Patrick Mahomes and out played him. He went up against the number 1# NFL defensive in Jason Garrett and beat them as well. It showed very clearly that Russell Wilson is still a very good quarterback.
Russell Wilson is the nfl Matt Leinert to Pete Carroll both won but he needed a run game and a wicked defense.
The latest trend of NFL defenses over the last 3 or 4 years with 2 high safeties basically killed Wilson best skill. Also his athleticism declined, so now his improvisations skills are not effective anynore. Even when he was at his best in Seattle, he was mediocre at best in reading defenses and in throwing over the middle short to middle. I don't even consider the 2022 season because Hackett is the worst coach ever so everything happened that year doesn't count, but Wilson decline is pretty evident anyway.
Sean Payton: "Nathaniel Hackett did one of the worst coaching jobs of all time. How could he not win with this guy?!"
Sean Payton, 1 year later: "I can't win with this guy!" 🤣
Just goes to show you what a TEAM sport football is. Even great QB's will struggle in a crappy situation. We'll make it right in Pittsburg!
exactly. but like when he was on the Seahawks, a mediocre quarterback can be great when in a really good situation.
Reminds me of that Castaway movie scene when Tom Hanks is yelling... "Wilson.... Wilson" 🤣 Brother Wilson will be just fine, he's not homeless.
I wonder who Payton's going to scapegoat now...
Good question.
That's all it was. Payton isn't good, he rode the talent of Drew
Drew Brees
As a lifelong Seattle fan and a dedicated "Russell Wilson is an absolute goober" Club member, my take from all this is that... I was delighted by Denver sucking and being horribly mismanaged in the Nathaniel Hackett era. It felt like watching someone get a Lamborghini and then try to do donuts and spin it into the ditch. Then when Sean Payton came in... it felt like someone who hated Lamborghinis and ONLY wanted a Ferrari, so he maliciously drove missed gears and tried to show what a terrible car this Lambo is by taking it off-roading and doing tractor pulls with it. Then he says "see? Lamborghinis are terrible cars. I need a Ferrari!"
It's a shame to see, because as much as I loved what Seattle got from the trade, it's a shame to watch someone be so horribly mishandled. I'd honestly take him back in a heartbeat and have him start next hear for the 'Hawks. If he played at league minimum and stuck Denver with the tab... god. I would never stop laughing.
I blame all the media who proclaimed Russ was the missing piece for an overrated broncos team last year 😂😂 also Sean Payton is the NFL version of Doc Rivers.
Tell it like it is, baby!
Preach it!!
That Malcolm Butler straight changed bros life.
Rams figured him out and the rest of the league watched the film.
Rest of the league so not have an Aaron Donald.
I don’t believe that any team will be rushing to sign Russel Wilson based on his horrible performance in Denver. He took all that money and didn’t even look like he was trying. I would be seriously concerned by his complete lack of effort in Denver.
His goodbye to Seattle & Seahawks fans 2 years ago were only 6 to 7 words.
Haha, yep, we still a little salty.
@@panaque Never was a huge Russ fan when he was in Seattle and am even less of one now
He didn’t realize how good he had it in Seattle with Pete Carroll
Sounds like a good back up for brock purdy
Except I doubt that Russ will go anywhere that doesn't pay him near starting money and he won't go anywhere where he won't have a chance to start.
He is Brock Purdy. A glimpse into 49ers future...
Rus will try to suck up as much of the teams cap as possible under the disguise of pushing the market for the next guy. If I were the GM of the hawks I’d had Rus out the door a year earlier to Miami and 3 1st round picks. Turn the tape on his route anticipation is awful
I read a Ludacris article last week by hiptoro, whatever that is, about Russell Wilson should land in Detroit because of the uncertainty of Jared Goff's situation and contract. HELL NO! Lions fans don't want Russ over Jared! NO WAY, NO HOW, NO WHERE!
the only way he wins any more SBs is if they get the legion of boom back together. Oh and also add in the best RB in the league.
Don’t think Russ really understood what carried him to the success he had in Seattle. He thought he was the MAN. lol.
To me Russ's last 3 years tell me he needs high quality WRs. My stock for Lockett and Metcalf went way up the first year Russ was in Denver when they helped elevate Geno and Russ's performance went over a cliff without them. So if I'm a team looking at WIlson, the first question I'm asking is how my WRs stack up to Lockett and Metcalf.
And Baldwin and Kearse were not pedestrian. Two of the most underrated receivers ever
There’s no “downturn,” just a detour. One bad year and one average year do not erase 10 years of excellence.
It does for certain type of demographic that is held to a different standard on top of him having such a polarizing personality. These ppl never liked Russ. They were always ready to try to write him out the HOF if he had a bad season. 2022 a year he was injured with an incompetent head coach and depleted Oline and RB room is all they needed. Now that he played better in 2023, the damage was done as they pretended he wasn't good all year long despite it being obvious the defense was real reason they started 1-5.
The Vikings are ready to give him 500 million guaranteed over 10 years.
What happened with Russ was all the broncos doing. Terrible coach his first year, he would have probably done better without a coach. Then his second year he has a coach who wants him gone the whole time. After they told him they wanted him to give up his injury guarantee he probably just shut down. They did him dirty. I hope the broncos suck for the next 5 years, Payton gets fired with 4-13 seasons, and Russ finds somewhere to show them up. The dude works harder than anyone, is so inspirational with what he does for the community. The broncos did the Walter Payton MOY dirty. I've hated the broncos since the days when we had Largent and the Boz. Still do. GO HAWKS!
Rich, you are awesome! I knew everything you said in this but you put it together like no others!
The comprehensive story about RW in Denver -- the one that comes after all the dust has long settled and temperatures approach normal -- is the one I'm looking forward to. When my Broncos (I've followed them since a boy in '65, and have watched a lot of football since) swung that trade, I thought it a fantastic move. I was WAY off. Light-years. Couldn't have been more wrong. I want to know what happened, as close to truth as possible.
They had two terrible coaches. Doesn't matter how talented a team is, with poor leadership it will always end in disaster. It wasn't Russ, it was the coaches and head office. They have terrible and inept leadership
IMO inflated expectations in a world where everyone thinks a great player is like a machine you just plug in and forget the rest is just not working. He had 2 years with 2 different coaches and systems and was coming back from an injury. He was getting better and one more season would have proven he was the right choice but that was not the expectation sold to the world. As a Raiders fan, I can see where organizations are to blame and not only the players...and I hope Raiders pick him up!
I still think Walker is the worst trade in NFL history with Wilson in second because of what Dallas got. With one of those draft picks Dallas ended up getting Emmitt Smith. Seattle hasn't gotten anywhere near that kind of player that we know of right now anyway
I've always liked Russell Wilson and hope he gets a chance with another team. I think Pittsburgh would be a perfect spot.
Can't wait to see how he does with the Steelers.
shoutout Vancouver!
Its gonna be tough to replace his 64 passing yards in each half
The only reason they traded so much for him was to boost bidding before the sale of the team. They knew he wasnt worth it which is why they extended his contract before a down was played. That way they could say they have a franchise quarterback to drive the price up.
He is still an all star in the right system. His style of play just isn't as quick to counter a bad o line but he can still throw it to anyone all over the field.
A lot of people said that Sean Payton could fix him and he did to an extent but made Russ Mr. Limited in that offense. Russ has changed his game a bit but can he still do it by the way he plays? It'll be interesting to see. As a Broncos fan I was nervous as much as excited about thst trade, and now whomp! Plus the extension wtf that was stupid
I think Payton didn't like Russ and called a bunch of plays that weren't how to use him just to see him fail. He needed a scape goat. Can't wait til they suck again next year and he tries to blame someone else again