Busting Climate Change Myths | Answers With Joe
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Earth Day was this weekend, so I thought it would be a good opportunity to look at some of the most common myths promoted by climate change skeptics and see what the science has to say about it. Links to supporting material below.
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More about the Robbers Cave Experiment:
www.theguardia...
More about the fossil fuel industry and tobacco companies using the same tactics:
www.scientific...
Peter Doran's Climate Science Survey:
agupubs.online...
Climate change consensus same as smoking and cancer:
www.scientific...
Why CO2 alone won't help plants grow:
www.smithsonia...
Lori Fenton's paper on Mars warming:
www.nature.com...
On the single cause fallacy that climate change in the past is the reason why it's changing now:
www.skepticals...
Sulphur Dioxide trends in relation to volcanic activity:
www.epa.gov/ai...
An article about Debbie Dooley:
www.nytimes.co...
Military Times article about pentagon planning for climate change:
www.militaryti...
Exxon Mobil new CEO embracing the carbon tax:
www.bloomberg....
Study on Exxon Mobil scientists and internal communications:
insideclimaten...
Just a heads up everybody, this is a highly polarizing topic, and while discussion and debate are always encouraged, abuse and trolling is not. So be respectful or I'll start dropping the ban hammer. Toodles!
I really like how you approached this. I started as a strong skeptic, coming around the more I hear good scientific arguments like this, and I thought delivered this with a really even keel.
Hi Joe. Thanks for being the least polarizing as possible in your video. I would say I'm still 40% skeptical that sustained human generated CO2 is severe enough to create a mass extinction in the long term. I got some ideas that may need addressed to challenge my skepticism: [1] I've heard the argument that many terrestrial weather stations of which climate data has been collected around the world are located in or near urban environments. Average annual temperatures at some of these locations would increase partially due to the latent heat of increased rate of urbanization during the last several decades, possibly skewing the data considerably . (btw I do not remember when I read this) Obviously this stipulation wouldn't apply to buoy stations. Do you know if researchers correct for this when determining the warming trend? [2] do you know of research that argues that climate change is more pronounced the the northern hemisphere? I've read several articles that suggest that Antarctica has a lesser degree of ice loss (at least for now). Thanks.
Hey Joe, at the end of the video, you try to end on a high note with the Robbers Cove boys working together -- Can you do something on the CFC situation from the 1980s and the "ozone hole" created by it, which, since the CFC ban on aerosols, has improved significantly since then? I think it's one of those examples of where we noticed a problem, decided on a solution, and implemented it industry wide. I really want to know more about how that happened and how it might tie into the current Climate Change explanations.
Joe Scott , can you please address the issue of Obliquity, Eccentricity, and Precession. It is a major factor in our climate and they are variables no one talks about or considers insignificant to CO2. Also there is growing evidence that the magnetic field is getting weaker and will flip at some point resulting in increased solar irradiance, this weakening has coincided with the .7 degree increase in temperature. And toss in solar cycles. I think were heading into a cooling period and the CO2 is not the main factor in our climate.
Polarizing requires a belief in science ;) thanks for your videos joe
I love the energy with which he addressed the argument that the Earth is actually cooling :)
I'd like to know the same too lol. And if its the case, can we do it without making it worse, or without making the cost of living 1000% higher
oh, you love cynism, thats so cool if you have 15 years in 1995
@@mrnuthatch7004 well yeah: dropping the profit motive!
I would have liked his energy if he was actually right. But unfortunately like most people who support climate change, they always fall short on the data. Unlabeled graphs that only show heating in a short window to give the illusion of an alarming warming period but, when you go back and check the actual data you notice this period isn't even close to the warmest time.
@@Micscience Yeah, that's not true. All the graphs that he showed (except one) date back to 1850-1880. That is about as long as we have been keeping weather records. How is he cherry picking data when he is presenting ALL the data? And that one graph that is the exception, it goes back to 1950. Not only is that still quite a lot of data, but I bet nobody was keeping records of that particular thing before then.
Furthermore, every one of those graphs were clearly defined, there was nothing "unlabelled". There is nothing short or incomplete about the data.
Look, at the end of the day, there are 2 options. try to reduce global warming or do nothing. If we reduce global warming and we did not need to, then what does it matter? We create a few new industries, and maybe give up a few luxuries for a worst case scenario. If we do nothing and we needed to reduce global warming, then the worst case scenario is that we get more extreme weather events that kill people.
Nothing good comes from 'he took a group of young boys'
lol hilarious!!!
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!
That one ended up Lord of the flies style. That time it wasnt the adults. So im all for it especially since they worked together at the end using the dead ones as fertilizer. Great solution! (Jk no one died, then. It was the 50s a few are prolly dead now)
Haha! Very true
Wait....what....? Who did he say did the experiment? Did he say Jimmy Saville...or was that Bill Clinton? You know what....never mind! Nothing to see here.....this is not the droid we’re looking for. Go about your business.
The core of science is the ability to say "...but I could be wrong."
Correctomundo, compadre. But we _NEVER_ hear that from the True Believers in the "dangerous man-made global warming" contingent. They make Jehovah's Witnesses sound reasonable.
@Који Курац Is English your second language? It's hard to understand what you mean. If you mean Jay B and me think alike, we have a saying for that in America. The acronym is: GMTA.
Would you be willing to risk your prosperity, your lifestyle, your economy and devout trillions of dollars and decades of sacrifice on the basis of ideas that could be wrong?
@@Pooua It's done all the time.
@@boogathon Mostly by crazy people. The majority of the population needs a good reason to risk their well-being.
Can you do an episode on Debbie Doolie? Thats one bad grandma. I think a wholesome reminder that there are grandmas in every side of every argument is something we need more of.
2:31 *Joe.exe Has Stopped Working*
The Capacitor I'm glad it was just installing an update.
So basically we just like attacking things and unless there’s a problem facing all of us we like attacking eachother😂
We attack things that effect our bank accounts ..
@fynes leigh are you his imaginary friend?
Have government scientists finally got a plan to cure death?
"unless there’s a problem facing all of us" sounds quite optimistic.
Earth is a closed loop that self regulates co2 with LIFE
I hadn't hard of Debbie Dooley. Thnaks! I very much am in alignment with her. We need to cut back pollution and take good care of our planet.
It's true. We only get one Earth, might as well try to take care of it.
The deadpan expression as the graphs play through after, "It's actually cooling." I'm simple. That's probably going to cause me to chuckle throughout the day. Cheers.
The reason it's being argued is because of the attached political agenda
Kali Cosmos i think so
also because it is a terrifying topic for some people, politics aside. It's hard to have a sensible discussion with people who are scared out of their mind
@@Alistair true but if they weren't bombarded with fear mongering propaganda they wouldn't be scared
If the solution to climate change is to decrease co2 emissions I believe the solution is quite sensible, stop burning coal and switch to natural gas and nuclear as this will also lead to safer and cheaper electricity. Basically a win win. How many climate activists are pushing for this?
@@kalicosmos1509 Fear-mongering is being used by extremists on BOTH sides of this and indeed most issues which have become politically or ideologically charged - like guns and the "social safety net" for example. The trick to researching and understanding what's REALLY happening, to the best knowledge of scientists active in relevant fields, is to tackle the issue in dispute with as open and unbiased a mind as possible, and to use LOGIC, combined with as accurate information one can find, to figure things out as best as you can.
The Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. It has been experiencing climate change that entire time. Only man's vanity has led to the conclusion that humans are responsible. Forget the fact that civilization is only about 15,000 years old (according to mainstream archeology). A couple things that you didn't mention in your video: 1) Ocean a change in ocean currents results in a change in climate since there is less circulation of the Earth's oceans. 2) And, the more important tid-bit: The Sun's luminosity increases as it ages. This means that the Sun is getting hotter and hotter. More energy radiated from the Sun means more energy received by the Earth. Couple that with the Earth's procession and continental drift (which affects ocean currents) and you have a formula for a changing climate.
Another thing to consider: Not even 6,000 years ago the Sahara Desert wasn't a desert at all. It was a tropical region rich with vegetation and teaming with life. The Sahara dried up well before the invention of capitalism, the Internal Combustion Engine, and mass farming. And, it happened quickly. today.tamu.edu/2016/11/29/6000-years-ago-the-sahara-desert-was-tropical-so-what-happened/
Sun luminosity? Lol you really trying hard to sound smart
It doesn't change significant enough to warm up earth within 2 century dummy
Glad to see someone else with a link of sense in here. Whew!🌻
Most videos like this one should have a link to a video describing the scientific method. I think our educational system is partly to blame for the misunderstanding of sceince.
no, people's tendency to cling to beliefs rather than believing things that have been scientifically proven is the problem, not the educational system
The video poster contributes to this by claiming that science works on consensus. 6:54. False. It works on facts.
@@austin3789 The interpretation of experimentally confirmed facts often depends on consensus. Your comment is beyond useless and I really don't see why you thought it was clever or productive at all to this discussion.
@@sapphireblanche7823 Please, find me any version of the scientific method that includes the step, "Achieve Consensus" or anything like that. Did you sleep through science class?
@@austin3789 Did you not make it past high school "science class" (lol cause that's definitely a class title). The scientific method has no single accepted definition btw. But ummmm, the whole process of peer review (you know, the thing that is fundamental to modern scientific knowledge creation) is essentially looking for a consensus that your experiment holds true. But like, what is even your point anyways? Are you taking a stance against the concept of a group of scientists agreeing about the facts and declaring their agreement on the facts? Is that what you learned in "science class?"
I was a climate change skeptic all the way up until someone debunked all my counter-arguments with logic and facts WITHOUT TREATING ME LIKE I WAS AN IDIOT. Seriously, it basically made me do a complete 180 turn on this topic. I get that people can be combative and entrenched when it comes to climate change denialism, and that can lead to people saying infuriating things, but try to respond with grace and dignity as well as facts. The goal is to get on the same page, like Joe said, not to sabotage the other tribe.
That's good, and absolutely the best way to do it. Unfortunately, there's also people who refuse to rethink their beliefs no matter how many facts you give them. So unfortunately I'm probably less patient than I should be some days, due to people like that.
You are so right, I had a lot of experience talking with people who believe in that kind of stuff. Even when you debunk everything they said, they will still believe that they are right. In fact, I coundn't actually convince anybody of those people.
Can you talk about how you came to be a skeptic in the first place?
@@johnseaverton1820 Uh, I guess my first exposures to climate change were alarmist (to me) hand flapping like An Inconvenient Truth or shallow blockbusters like The Day After Tomorrow. Sprinkle in a couple false facts (volcanoes account for more carbon emissions than humans) or faulty arguments, and it was easy for teenage me to dismiss it all as one more public hysteria to ignore, not unlike the various nutrition fads that come and go. But once you've staked your flag on a hasty position, it's hard to change it when people start becoming more vocal against it. The problem was that most folks immediately seemed to default to "you're an idiot." It made me feel persecuted, sure, but not convinced, or even likely to give the issue the kind of careful consideration I would have given to something less politically charged. The yelling and politics made me think about it less, not more.
@@Leavus1 wow. Thanks for sharing that’s really insightful to hear
AMS members were polled on this question and 64% agreed that man-made CO2 has "some effect" on global warming, but never indicated that it was "dangerous" or a "crisis" because they weren't asked.
Misha that’s something that wasn’t mentioned in this video and is crucial to one’s position on the matter. I agreed with most of what he said in this video, but disagree with the implications. It isn’t a crisis. On the contrary, global warming has simply delayed the next ice age that is now overdue by hundreds of years. Once global warming is reversed, we will have to put all our resources towards figuring out how to survive the ice age that follows.
"According to a new survey of AMS members, 67% say climate change over the last 50 years is mostly to entirely caused by human activity, and more than 4 in 5 respondents attributed at least some of the climate change to human activity."
@@ArjaysJourney facepalm. Go read the global cooling articles from the seventies. All of it - not just the headlines. The next ice age isn't a thing.
@Don Robertson more is known today versus 50 years ago about global climate cycles. Reading articles written during the last 10 or 15 years will give better insight.
@@ArjaysJourney are you talking about the ''death'' of the Gulf Stream that would send Europe into a new Ice Age?
One myth is that there are a large portion of the population that completely deny climate change. However, when somebody tries to engage in a conversation about the effects, what should be done, who should bear the cost, risk/benefit analysis, etc., that are branded "denier" or "skeptic," easy labels to avoid argument.
@ Dude, stop sending a link to that Heartland Institute video. You´re making yourself look stupid (that video has been mocked, debunked and ridiculized by many scientists by now). Climate change is not open to debate in Europe or Asia... Because we all know is 100% real, we´re already facing it every day (every single citizen).
@@gabrielp9646 All you did is post your hatred. We don't "know" what you seem to believe is real, and the government loves people who say "climate change is not open to debate." Then why are you debating it here?
Your mind appears to be made up and closed tighter than a submarine hatch, but maybe someone else can benefit from the following facts:
First, changes in CO2 always _follow_ changes in global temperature. That happens on both long and short time scales - from months, to hundreds of thousands of years. Since an effect cannot precede it's cause, CO2 cannot be the cause of any measurable global warming.
AGW has never been quantified. There are no credible measurements that separate global warming caused by human emissions from global warming from other forcings, like the planet's ongoing recovery from the Little Ice Age.
Without _any_ measurements that quantify global warming from human activity, how do you know if human activity causes any warming?
The answer is, you don't know. No one does. Therefore, the debate is not over. If you believe that, why even debate here? Because you hate people you can't refute? Or is there another crazy reason?
Your attitude makes no sense without facts. Got any? Or is it all hate, all the time?
Well, we know the risk for sure: $20 TRILLION dollars to "fight climate change." The risk is Zimbabwe-style inflation.
That's a HUGE risk, larger than anything we've seen re: climate change.
@@boogathon Please, come back after you understand what global warming means. You clearly think it is the same thing as climate change, and if you don´t even know the BASICS... xDxD For the record: Global warming doesn´t mean "the earth is getting worm", it´s an specific scientific effect. Global warming is when high amounts of heat get through the atmosphere (because it´s thinner than usual) then the earth, the rocks and the trees absorb that heat, and the high density of "pollution" in the air doesn´t let it out.
It´s basically what happens when you leave your car under the sun: a ton of heat gets inside the car, the seats and the plastic elements absorb that heat, but the heat doesn´t have any way to get out... Turning the car into a FURNACE. That is global warming, and it has literally NOTHING to do with CO2 xDxD And a side fact: I happen to work at the instrumentation department of a thermal power plant (I think you just have bad luck xDxD). A BIG part of my job LITERALLY is to meassure how much CO2 we´re putting out there every day, and report it periodically to the government... Your whole "there are no credible measurements" talk is pure bullsh*t (or mental masturbation).
You literally made me laugh out loud with that part xDxD But tell all that cheap cr*p to the people of Spain or Australia, who have been seeing their entire countries BURN in the past 5 to 10 years, in a way that 90 year old people can´t remember EVER happening. Or simply call a meteorologist, Im sure he/she will be happy to explain to you the basics of what CLIMATE CHANGE is, and how it works (again, global warming is a completely different thing, a scientific EFFECT that has absolutely nothing to do with CO2, but with oxygen and hydrogen... In fact, CO2 is HELPING against global warming, letting less Sun rays get inside our atmosphere... The problem with CO2 is that it kills people and animals with cancer. Again, you don´t even know the basics xDxD)
@@gabrielp9646 explains his definition of global warming (AKA: climate change): "Global warming is when high amounts of heat get through the atmosphere (because it´s thinner than usual) then the earth, the rocks and the trees absorb that heat, and the high density of pollution in the air doesn´t let it out."
It's amusing to read the convoluted nonsense emitted by people so frightened of global warming that they fabricate such nonsensical rationalizations for something that has yet to be quantified.
I blame the media's indoctrination when I read irrational comment like this: "...the people of Spain or Australia, who have been seeing their entire countries BURN in the past 5 to 10 years, in a way that 90 year old people can´t remember EVER happening."
Where do you get your misinformation from? Seriously, I'd like to know, because it's so preposterous.
The earth's average temperature has remained within ±1°C for more than a century, which means that wherever there's a (natural) warm spell, another area must have had a corresponding cold spell. Otherwise, the planet's temperature could not have remained flat, as it has for more than a century. QED
The "climate change" scare used to be called "runaway global warming." But after twenty years of the "Pause" in global warming, "runaway global warming" was looking more and more like complete nonsense.
Something had to be done.
That 'something' was changing "runaway global warming" to "climate change" - a brilliant move on the part of the gov't/media complex. As we see from Gabriel P's blustering pseudoscience, "climate change" can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. For example, Gabriel says: "In fact, CO2 is HELPING against global warming, letting less Sun rays get inside our atmosphere. The problem with CO2 is that it kills people and animals with cancer."
See? Heads are being filled with errant nonsense like that, which proves my point: "Climate change" can mean anything to anyone. There is no official definition; no universally accepted description of that über-vague term. Thus, it serves the gov't perfectly by spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt among people who don't know any better.
Finally, CO2 has never been implicated as a cancer causing agent. That's just more errant nonsense.
The U.S. Navy allows sailors to remain in an atmosphere of 5,000 ppm CO2 continuously for 4 months, and in atmospheres containing 1,000 ppm CO2 indefinitely. That's 2 ½X to 12.5X more CO2 than in the air we normally breathe - but the Navy has no reports of sailors contracting cancer from breathing air with elevated CO2 levels.
Science is *not* based upon consensus. It is based upon hypothesis, observation and conclusion. The inflation of one's publications as value to one's ability to follow the scientific method is ridiculous. In other words, one's qualifications to do valid scientific study is not beholden to the subject of one's publications.
Of course it's not based upon consensus. But since there is an argument about consensus, he wanted to clear it up. Also, most average people simply do not have the time nor the effort to go through the scientific literature.
You should read some Karl Popper. Your understanding of philosophy of science is lacking.
Mmmm yes indeed, infloobidy doobidy flubbabwootidoopy.
While consensus is not a valid argument, it gives a pretty good approximation of the topic --> if many scientist come to the same conclusion, chances are this conclusion is right.
Of course as a scientist, this doesn't mean anything to you, you check the methodology and the data.
How about we edit that statement so it is more accurate; "Scientific KNOWLEDGE is based upon the consensus of evidence and data." A bit more wordy but more accurate and uncontroversial? If you have a critique let me know.
The data for climate change has gotten a lot more impressive the last 5-10 years but a lot of people got entrenched in their stance 10 years ago.
@Gernot Schrader Sorry, but your rambling non-science is totally irrelevant.
entrenched or not. Its clear we can't solve the problem in any meaningful time frame. Because we already have arrived. Welcome to the post industrial world. RE;BuNK.. the world economy just took a 12 trillion dollar hit.. with 'the $cience' being used to justify. OUr world in Data is a great source: the actual science says. Humans being what they are, have come to the end of capitalism. 'What the $cience says' every time i hear that, i know its someone coming from a deeply entrenched belief system. #phyzordidnothingwrong. The question isn't is it real or not. Lets assume it is. WTF do we do about it?? Arizona, California, need to depopulate. Every scientist DRIVES a car. trains might make a dent, but anyone w cash wants a tesla. We ARE PFUCKED> So if we all begin to accept its real. If you have a family of 4. pick 2 children. terminate them. thats the solution or some other horrific authoritarian regime. You can't blame. HUMANS for being human. we need a Religion, or spiritual belief. A good place to start to look at the actual science is Dan BRit - we are already at 400. co2 is NOT linear .. after 600 pm it doesn't much matter how much more we add. We might have done something from say 1980 - 2000, but that window is now closed. and the future is unknown.. the Milankovitch cycles are actually real. and cooling would be occuring without the co2 buffer.
Stop with the 'single cause fallacy' or straw man or whatever pfucking logical bumper sticker.
we would have crashed into the next natural glacial cycle without the C02 bump. remember that prediction. it was based on sediment core samples that supported milakovitch's theory. and IF co2 had stayed at below 300 like it had been for the pre human era. the ice would have come again. but we dodged that bullet and now here we are. So which billions should die and who decides JOE??? you decide??? well i vote we terminate arizona and texas, southern cali and... new york just pick em out of a hat.. dead pfucking weight , i doubt that would fly - how could we implement. So you see the actual problem. is.
We are human. and there are some things we weren't evolved to do. this is one of them.
here is a real scientist who studied the cores. and explains thing pretty well.
Dan Britt.
ruclips.net/video/Yze1YAz_LYM/видео.html
knowing the problem is one thing. but solar panels won't save us. a deep economic crisis that forces the world to live way low energy lives - might. or something else.. a 'reset' perhaps. the billionaires might be on to something. after the big die off. those that remain....can start over. with a new code.
I would trust 1990's scientist's over the year 2020 scientist's any day. Because back then scientist's were working for the betterment of man not for a profit motive. The waters wern't as muddy. Yeah the data has been better the last 5-10 years unfortunately no one is talking about how it seems like they manipulated the models to suit their data? The adjustments they did to the models suddenly fixed how the models were not predicting the actual raw data results.They were warned while they were constructing the parameters of the climate models that you have to account for the land configuration and other factors which they ignored when using the data of a weather station. Meaning only ideal weather stations should be incorporated into the models not the ones where thermostats are taking readings right near huge building air conditioners are located. Not only do I not trust the data the big tech companies are deleting old articles on the internet. Climate change is a reason to scare the population so the elites can implement a full societal overhaul which is what they have wanted for decades and people are falling for the propaganda hook line and sinker. Many people do not account how there is a crisis in the scientific community and that a lot of peer reviewed papers cannot be replicated by a better result more than 40% on average. You can't just take science as fact anymore you have to verify the integrity of the study. If people think that scientist's cannot be manipulated or that scientist's can't be corrupt you are naive. If doctors can be corrupt than scientist's can as well. I am not saying every model and every scientist is dirty but they have lost that benefit of the doubt especially now when our entire society structure lifestyle is being threatened and we are losing more and more freedoms. You might think that is a very negative approach but I can't help always spotting the propaganda. I try my best to not get caught in confirmation bias but I am only human. If someone had a better reasonable answer I would really listen but none of the pro climate change scientist's or proponents are speaking up about the poor conduct the pro side has been using to try and persuade the population why climate change is such a threat,which includes scare tactics.
@@Micscience there's really nothing muddy about record breaking temperatures being experienced all over the world year over year.
@@darylgraham4313 Well the funny thing is the highest recorded temperature til this day was recorded from Death Valley in the year 1913 at 134F degrees. Temperatures fluctuate all the time through natural oscillations of all kinds of factors such as trade winds, ocean water and more. Where I live the temperatures have gone down. On my birth day in June it was actually cold for the first time in my entire life. I do admit that the climate is acting funky but we can't jump to conclusions which is what it seems like is going on.
Goth punk band name: Conspiracy Against the Sun
Michael Wade conspiracy against the sun, rage against the machine... What next? :D
1993: Neurosis - enemy of the sun. Except its apocalyptic doom metal.
.... huh, I like that... but my self-respect prevents me from taking it. Quick, make it a thing so I can reference it in a fictional story.
Not so far off with Offspring really I guess, if you mash up Conspiracy of One and Staring at The Sun a bit. =d
sounds more like a new wave band name
Of the 3000 scientists that were asked about climate change, you say 90% of respondents agreed with it; you failed to note that only 80 scientists actually replied to the poll
Cook, 2016, reported that 24016 papers support scientific change. Just 24 did not. When these were looked at, they had flawed methodology ( Myers and Twenge, 2020). Oh, it's now 99.97% in a later study. We don't ask if there is a consensus that earth orbits the sun. Its settled, just like climate change
@@denisdaly1708 After listening to the endless sermon about "climate change," and then reading several hundred of the 15K+ comments about it, I can't find where "climate change" is specifically defined. But that lacunae triggers endless arguments, since "climate change" means different things to different commenters. That is largely the fault of the same folks who used to call climate change "runaway global warming." See what they did there?
The problem with the global warming term is that global warming came to a screeching halt, practically on the very day that Dr. Michael Mann humbly admitted that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his heroic climate work.
That's another fascinating story, but the subsequent climbdown from the frightening term "global warming" was so brilliant that it deserves its own Nobel Prize in Literature. By changing that scary term to climate change™ it no longer matters if global temperatures go up, down, or sideways.
That, and everything else that happens is covered by "climate change." A hurricane? Climate change explains it. A drought in California? Rain in Texas? Climate change! I tip my hat to whoever invented that brilliant advertising masterpiece. Or gimmick, although I would never call it that. Hardly ever, anyway.
So, can we please have a definition of climate change that we can all agree on? That would stop a lot of arguments in their tracks, since it appears that Dr. Mann's admirers think that skeptics 'deny' that the climate changes ("Climate change is real!"), while skeptics can't pin down what they should be skeptical about. As usual, arguments ensue.
I'll start the ball rolling by proposing a definition that can't possibly satisfy everyone. That will make it easy to invent a better one. You might even become famous, and go down in the history books for your über-brilliant new definition of climate change!
Therefore, I propose that the definition of "climate change" should henceforth be... [drumroll...]: Runaway Global Warming.™
You heard it here first! (but not really). _Anyone_ can do better than _that,_ no? OK then, gentlemen (and, well, you know), you may start your... definitions.
Ready...? Set... _GO!_
@@boogathon It is a known scientific fact that CO2 in the atmosphere has a greenhouse effect. Zero scientists disagree with that. Every year we increase the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. Think about that for a moment.
@@dannygjk Think about _this_ for a moment, Dan: There are reputable, esteemed scientists who argue that CO2 does not cause _any_ measurable global warming. And if you still have your thinking cap on, here's some more brain taffy you can chew on: _Every_ wild-eyed AGW prediction made by "consensus" scientists turned out to be flat wrong; no exceptions.
As an example, in the '90's NASA's James Hansen predicted that if the CO2 concentration increased by 40% or more, global temperatures would rise from 2°C, to 6°C - and even higher. Other scientists made similar alarming predictions.
What happened? This:
CO2 has continued to rise inexorably, primarily due to China's emissions (while U.S. CO2 emissions have steadily declined). Atmospheric CO2 has risen by ≈50%; far more than required by alarmist predictions to trigger a minimum 2°C rise in global temperatures. Were the predictions correct?
No.
_Every_ alarming AGW prediction has turned out wrong; no exceptions. Despite a much larger increase in CO2 than required by AGW-based predictions, global warming did not accelerate beyond the parameters of the past century; following the _YUGE_ increase in CO2 that began after WWII, there has been *no* acceleration in global warming. None at all.
Think about that for a moment, Dan. What would an unemotional, unbiased observer conclude from those facts?
Wouldn't our observer conclude that CO2 does _not_ have the hypothesized effect on the planet's temperature?
Accurate predictions are the Gold Standard in science. If a prediction that's based on a hypothesis comes true, that hypothesis is provisionally accepted as a true reflection of the physical world. Nothing is ever proven in science - but a hypothesis can be disproved (falsified). Furthermore, it doesn't require multiple facts to prove that a hypothesis is wrong. Just one contrary fact is sufficient to falsify a hypothesis; any hypothesis.
AGW (man-made global warming) has been repeatedly falsified, which is why the "consensus" argument is being used. The putative "consensus" is a fallback argument; a crutch to support the government's political goal.
The original hypothesis stated that rising global temperatures would be triggered by rising carbon dioxide emissions. But by the late '90's it was evident that rising CO2 ("carbon") did not possess the hypothesized global warming effect, in particular because of the "Pause," in which no global warming was observed for twenty years. Something had to be done to rescue the AGW narrative.
In a brilliant coup, the obsolete term "runaway global warming" was defenestrated and replaced with "climate change." That substitution has been a complete and resounding success.
"Climate change" means different things to different people. It has no official, universally accepted definition, and since the climate always changes every individual weather event can be used to buttress the basic reason for both climate change and runaway global warming: when people are frightened they tend to open their wallets easily and with alacrity.
The media is on board with the government's indoctrination. From the country's founding the duty of the Press has been to protect the rights of the people from government abuse. But over the past couple decades that has changed.
The media now considers itself to be the government's partner, and that it's duty is to indoctrinate the population to accept the government's climate change agenda.
Just six large corporations now control what people see, read, and hear. Those corporations promote the government's "climate change" narrative as a proven scientific fact, even though nothing in science is ever proven, and despite the fact that the AGW hypothesis has been repeatedly falsified.
It's no wonder folks are repeating what they hear 24/7. They don't hear the other side from reputable scientists, so they make up their minds based on the information they're given. If the media was like it's been for the pasdt 200+ years there's no doubt the fraction of the public that believes the media's one-sided indoctrination would come to a much different conclusion.
@@boogathon Keep in mind a fake climate change scientists organization was created years ago supposedly involving thousands of scientists and an investigation revealed it to be fake. It was funded indirectly by big money. There were articles written about it and even at least one book. Finally as I said before the significant greenhouse effect of CO2 in the atmosphere is a known physics effect it is not speculation it is not just a hypothesis.
I thought the scientific method trumps consensus
yes 100 scientists drop the mike , mike falls down 100% consensus among scientist s
I like Nobel prize winner Richard P Feynman's definition best. He said, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts".
So, science would be to ignore your doctor when he tells you to quit smoking? Because you believe in his ignorance more than his expertise?
It can, but the consensus follows the evidence.
@@dracirnagainnif7894 No you see someone in that group will say that you flew upwards and the mike did not move.
I am confused because I have a room temperature IQ. But the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and 1% of a mix. And .04% of that 1% is co2.
Thats because you are a DENIER you heathen! Repent or be chastised!
How Dare You!
It's not CO2.
It's just the C in all carbon molecule gasses and particulate in the atmosphere.
would you take a drink that was .04% poison?
Yes you are right. Water vapour is the real killer, and methane is 83 times as bad as co2. Oh and we are presently in an ice age. Just happen to be 12,000 years into a glaceral recession. They normally last 10 15 thousand years. Do I think humans are rising the co2 levels,,, YES
For true believers, no proof is necessary. For non believers, no proof is sufficient.
For scientists, proof is always necessary. Lacking that, all you have is a faith-based belief system. A religion, in other words.
Not saying religion is bad, only saying that proof is elemental to the scientific method.
Thats way too simplistic. The real question is --- are the consequences going to be as dire as predicted. The sea level has actually fallen the last two years and the temperatures have been no where close to what has been predicted . The warming thus far has been a little less than 1 degree c. The sea levels have risen just a few millimeters and that has stalled the last couple of years . I think we should focus on more pressing matters like plastic in the oceans .
brucewilson77 Stop looking at cherry picked data. The ocean levels aren't falling... You can look at the past two years and see a short dip(and the ocean levels are higher now then when that dip started), but it goes up at a steady pace if you look at the past 20 years. You will see dips like this happen from time to time, but you can see the average rise. It's very clear...
And to add to Valban if the oceans/atmosphere goes up just two degrees c that's dramatically changes everything. And it's snowing in the middle east as well as sandstorms blowing over where it should be snowing! birds and bees are falling outta the sky it's biblical!....wait.
Apparently it's also around that time of the millennium when the poles reverse which means a weakened electromagnetic field...so...perfect timing?
Totally agree.
Please explain the following:
- The last glacial maximum: What caused the ice to recede at a time of low human population?
- The rising sea levels vs Doggerland, Sundaland (Sundaic area) & the underwater forest.
- The mummified forest of Ellesmere Island, Canada.
- The African humid period (Neolithic subpluvial).
- The Sahara pump theory (Abbassia Pluvial & Mousterian Pluvial).
- Glacier and ocean sediment cores indicate rapid climate change in the past.
- Has the Earth merely emerged from an interglacial period?
- Will the Earth experience another glaciation in 40,000 to 100,000 years?
- Which scientist will be around to accept awards for his excellent predictions? None.
- Consensus means nothing. Science requires skepticism and endless research.
@Blinding You With Science We'll find out. However, my main point is that the sea levels have been rising since the end of the glacial maximum, when there were few humans to cause such a thing. Furthermore, the Earth's environment has been changing since it formed. After humans are extinct, climate change will continue to be a fact of the planet, regardless of human effects.
You realise that the Earths climate is not static, it does change. We know this, because climate scientists told us. You realise the Sun is also not static, it does change (much less than most stars, or we would already be dead). Neither of those things being true has any bearing on this debate. Those climate scientists you are sceptical of, know all this far better than you or I, and still reached their conclusions. Consensus is everything, without it, scepticism and endless research is just noise and pointless activity, doing nothing but confirming whatever belief you started with. The term scepticism in the comment section of youtube videos almost always relates to confirmation bias, if a consensus started to emerge that global warming was not true, you would be all over that in a hot second.
@@jars6230 Global warming is a fact. The question is this: How much does human activity contribute to it? The consensus is that human activities are the major drivers of climate change. The detractors of this idea urge a deeper study of Milankovitch cycles. I kept asking Joe Scott to elaborate on the main driver of past events because I expected him to answer that the Milankovitch cycles are the main driver. He didn't. Next, I will look to see if he has made a video about it. If not, why not? As for the consensus, it should claim no more than human contribution to a cycle that was already well-established 12000 years ago with the last glacial maximum.
People want to hear good things about their bad habits... always have, always will.
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Freedom being a bad habit?
"They seek us here they seek us there...those enviros seek us everywhere. Are we in heaven, are we in hell, we damned elusive pimpernels?"
@@brucefrykman8295
Really? I always thought that freedom wuz just another word for nuthin' left to lose. 😉
Sink me.
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addendum... how dare anyone suggest that I want Anthony Worral Thompson to quit smoking; God no, I want the guy to smoke MORE!
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@@PercivalBlakeney I'm familiar with Baroness Orczy's work as well as Leslie Howard's screen adaptation of it. But, sink me, you lost me on this one.
@@brucefrykman8295
Dear Bruce,
Sorry for the late reply and thanks for getting back to me.
Okay... this is about as concise as I'm going to get (my ADHD being what it is).
Here goes...
There are a couple of running jokes in the Vegan community right now.
First, [ahem] the best advert for Veganism, currently, isn't Stella McCartney, Peter Dinklage or Greta Thunberg; the best advert for Veganism really is *Piers Morgan*.
Response... "but Piers Morgan isn't Vegan, as a matter of fact he speaks out *against* Veganism."
Counter Response... "Exactly!"
The other joke...
Piers Morgan thinks that we want him to go Vegan; this is untrue. If Piers Morgan goes Vegan, according to the research, there's a good chance he'll live longer... and I'm not sure that ANYONE wants *that*.
Hardly a Christian attitude but still funny, hein?
Now, Anthony Worral-Thompson; when the UK's smoking ban came into force, some decade and a half ago, he was one of its most vociferous opponents.
"We should be allowed to smoke in pubs, bars and restaurants" he said.
I remember listening to the radio as he continued, "There's no connection between passive smoking and cancer... *there's no connection between SMOKING and cancer, it's all a matter of genetics*".
My respect for the man, at that point, dropped even lower... into negative figures, even.
His justification for carrying on smoking?
"Why should I bother quitting smoking when the traffic fumes are probably going to get me anyway?".
No surprises that Worral-Thompson objects even to Vegetarianism, let alone Veganism.
Like I say, I don't want him to quit smoking, I want the guy to smoke MORE. I doubt I'm alone in that sentiment.
Bill Hicks has (had?) a memorable comment on the USA's Firearms' debate.
"With all sides making different arguments for and against, there IS a far larger segment who have yet to say anything...
They call themselves 'the victims'... and they remain strangely silent on the subject... no-one knows why".
In other words, personal choice only extends as far as when it infringes on the rights of others.
(Consider BAT's words that 'I believe Nicotine is not addictive'; more tellingly, Gov. G. Wallace's words on the steps of the University of Alabama... lifted in no small part from Alexander Stephens's notorious pamphlet to the Abolitionists).
Take a listen to Bill Hicks's 'non smokers' routine and then understand the similarities with Joe Rogan's 'anti Vegan' schtick.
Whilst Bill was being ironic and funny, Rogan was just having a bitchfest against 'low hanging fruit' and expected to be taken seriously.
You see where this is going?
Anyway, if you're still reading this, thanks for getting through it.
Hope the concomitant headache isn't too insufferable.
Best wishes and stay safe.
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I lost count of how many friends I've lost over arguing about climate change. I wish I had this video back during those arguments so they could refuse to watch it and say "fake news".
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!🤣🤣 I swear the next ones I meet...are gonna get played this video. 🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson 2013
I feel the same about God
Exactly. It doesn't matter if you think co2 caused the melting of the artic ice because real science knows it began melting in the middle of the 1600's. It certainly doesn't care what alarmist zealots believe.
@@roberthicks1612 yes it's been melting for a long time. But recently, the RATE of CHANGE has been much, much higher than normal. We humans have accelerated climate change and processes that should take hundreds or thousands of years is taking mere decades now. Humans are going to suffer because of what we've done to our climate. Animals are going to suffer even more. Why do you think it is so wrong to be concerned about our planet and it's ecosystem? Wouldn't it be better to change our habits now, to be prepared for the worst, even if it doesn't happen?
"But recently, the RATE of CHANGE has been much, much higher than normal." really? 60% disappeared in 60 years, and 30% disappeared in 55, and its accelerating?
"processes that should take hundreds or thousands of years " Evidence shows that glaciers retreated as fast during the mwp and the rwp, if not faster, yet you think it should take thousands of years to do it? Where is your evidence that it is happening faster now than it did then. It certainly isn't coming from Glaciology peer review magazines, since they have not published in magazines showing any change.
"Humans are going to suffer because of what we've done to our climate." Why should we? Co2 is responsible for a 16% in food production, and there is not one prediction of disaster that has happened. The equator is barely changing in temperature, but the increase in co2 is decreasing the size of deserts because the plants need less water. The sea is not rising any faster, and it isn't rising fast enough to be a danger to the vast majority of humans. Even in areas that there is a risk, human knowledge can mitigate that. They talk about the sea covering islands, but look what china did with 3 reefs. They created their own islands. If they can create islands, why cant we raise islands that already exist? Do you have any idea how little it would cost compare to the other things they want to claim we have to do? YET no one wants to do them. Many of those islands are no more than sand bars and sand bars move. They also compact when you put weight on them such as buildings. YET despite the fact that these are real facts, they want to blame it all on American so they can get our money.
You tell me any one of the alarmist talking points and I can tear it apart with real facts and real logic.
"Wouldn't it be better to change our habits now, to be prepared for the worst, even if it doesn't happen?" There are a lot of habits we need to change, but not for the reasons the alarmist say.
1) fossil fuel will run out at some point, so we need to be looking to the next technology.
2) Gas powered cars are not that clean and the result is hydrocarbons hitting the atmosphere in levels that are dangerous to humans. There are a lot of hydrocarbons that are hitting the water in levels that are dangerous to marine life. We need technology that doesn't put these hydrocarbons into the environment.3) people are obese around the world and a lot of that comes from too much fatty meat. We do need to change our habits here too.
Yes, we need to change our habits, but we need to make the choice using real facts and real logic. It should not be forced on us or have some government in another country making those decisions for us.
THAT is the liberal agenda.
Who or what was that aimed at?
Those who bear a strong need to belong generally also bear a strong need to exclude.
Wow. Those who strongly need to belong are also eager to exclude. I can see it out there now that you mention it.
heretic!
Harvard? Yale? The Congressional Black Caucus?
I belong to hermits international.
Says who?
I’ve commented before. I like Joes’ approach to the topic. As someone else pointed out in the comments, the political aspect is highly divisive. Regardless of the actual cause, it really is in our best interests to reduce all pollution. It’s in our best interests to plant more trees and find ways to halt or reverse desertification. An oft touted method is globalized government. This particular “solution” has, at its core, a fatal flaw. A single global government would not adequately serve individual cultures, nor the people in those cultures. Working together, for this one purpose would work, so long as each country gets to maintain its unique sovereignty and cultural identity. I can be done, if all contribute honestly and equitably (not the USA contributing over half the money while China contributes nothing but pollution per the Paris climate accords).
Wow, I could not have said it better! I am a Conservative Republican and I KNOW global warming is a true thing being caused by humans. BUT, I do understand why we dropped out of the Paris Climate Accords for the reasons you stated! WE (the USA) ALWAYS pay, Pay, PAY for EVERYTHING where other VERY RICH governments (if you can even call some of them that…) that refuse to fairly “pitch in”. I’m so tired of people labeling Republicans as people who think climate change is a “hoax” because that IS NOT TRUE! Or that we are “anti-vaccine”… I believe it is each person’s CHOICE to get the vaccine (that is no longer working on MANY people) and that the government has ZERO RIGHT to force ANYONE to get it or to penalize ANYONE who doesn’t get it! My parents and even my adult son got the vaccine but my adult daughter, teenaged son and I do not want it or need it and it is OUR choice. I have had Covid-19 twice along with my daughter and my two sons have had it. We have the antibodies to protect us against it! Even my doctor specialists tell me NOT to get the vaccine! I have MANY illnesses that says I “should” get it but the actual virus never put me in the hospital or made me feel like I was the sickest I have ever been. I’ve had worse FLU viruses and a couple bouts of pneumonia that made me feel worse. Anyway, I agree that a globalized government is the very WORST IDEA I have ever heard of!!! Our government is SUPPOSED to work for US, NOT the other way around! We need to get the life long politicians OUT OF WASHINGTON! They do not care about you, me or our beautiful country! They are money hungry millionaires and billionaires who want EVEN MORE MONEY and they don’t care that it’s coming out of OUR pockets! Have a great evening and I hope you and your loved ones are staying happy and healthy! 😁
Love from Texas ♥️🤠🌴
@@robynsmith4164 *"...I KNOW global warming is a true thing being caused by humans."*
May I ask how you came to know that?
@@bricaaron3978
Read the comments under Joe Dennehy's post above.
I posted a rudimentary explanation of the cause and effect process.
It's easy to understand.
I managed to put it together back in highschool from an organic chemistry class I got a C in, and AP physics, and we weren't even studying climate science, but material science.
And I sure ain't no geenyus.
I am a little drunk though.
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@@robynsmith4164 I am a Progressive Marxist and I can spot a fellow Marxist from across the internet ether Robyn. Well said, by the way, comrade.
@@bricaaron3978The government told him and he thinks they never spread bullshit. The Tuskegee airman trusted progressives and paid the price. At some point in time government always turns predatory.
The 97% consensus on the paper published asked if man ads to ANY temperature increase. The models have failed to pin down the extent however.
Yes of course it is impossible to know the extent of the contribution but it is a known scientific fact that CO2 in the atmosphere has a greenhouse effect. Zero scientists disagree with that. Every year we increase the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. Think about that for a moment.
Could someone post a link to the climate change model that makes accurate predictions?
Because there aren't any..................."Joe".
"The results: 10 of the model projections closely matched observations. Moreover, after accounting for differences between modeled and actual changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide and other factors that drive climate, the number increased to 14. The authors found no evidence that the climate models evaluated either systematically overestimated or underestimated warming over the period of their projections."
climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/
climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/1983/
Deny that one.
So how do we predict climate patterns while we are fucking with the climate and how we are doing so is unpredictable?
@@Ag3nt0fCha0s by using large systems of partial differential equations and energy balance equations. You test usually with methods such as hindcasting from various different eras in our last to see if the output of the model matches actual data from the past.
This video should be entitled: How many logical fallacies can you present in less than 20 minutes?
“When the uninformed argue with the misinformed, there is no need to choose a side.”
― Carmine Savastano
Dr. Mann's Penn State Hockey stick climate graph took off in the 1980's, which indicated global warming. But I moved near a Penn State branch campus in 1981. I first noticed that the climatology weather station was in the corner of a parking lot, as far from the buildings and cars as possible, and surrounded on 3 sides by a meadow. It seemed to me the best place for such a weather station -- as far from the buildings and cars as possible. The next year, however, they moved the climate station to the middle of the parking lot, next to a big building, and directly underneath a big air conditioning exhaust far. At the time, I simply thought that the temperature readings might be a few degrees warmer now, but the students could dash outside without their coats, write down some data on their clipboards, and go back inside in the winter. What if they moved the climate stations to a warmer spot at all 20 Penn State campuses across the state? (call me misinformed)
@@nietzscheanmiddleman9832 I've majored in biomedicine, but I also have bachelor's degrees in earth sciences and geology. If I were to voice my opinion on climate change, I would be regarded as uninformed, since I haven't exclusively specialised in climate studies, regardless of the fact that I've studied near everything there is to know about climate and how humans influence it. Near everything is saturated with gross global warming propaganda which is used as a quick get rich scheme by spreading misinformation - nowadays it's in the form of pawns like Greta Thunberg and other influencers... When studying such delicate topics you might want to pay a lot of attention to the true meaning, significance and wording of the studies surrounding those topics. It's true that global warming is real, but humans barely affect it, It's nowhere near as alarming as it's portrayed, there is almost nothing we can do to effectively halt it, but most importantly it's a complete waste of time and other resources to worry about. I apologise for my poor grammar skills as English is not my most refined language.
How do you know? When everything you have been taught has been brought to you by an incestuous media so consumed by ideology and it's own way of keeping score it's unable to have rational discussions. Their is a very good chance everything you know is hogwash.
@@user-ye6mc3nh4g ok. You have given us your opinion, now show us your evidence.
@@lestermarshall6501 I second this motion. I am open to the possibility if it has evidence
Data proves we've never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history. Death tolls from every natural disaster including every climate related disaster has been in precipitous decline for the last hundred years.
100% of climate change scientists know how their bread is buttered. :) LOL
You're full of crap. You think they profit from affirming global warming. What nonsense. Where did you get that strange notion? You pulled it out of thin air, apparently. Or did you see it in crackpot right-wing media?
@@FrankCoffman If the science is settled - why aren't they all let go? They sure aren't very inquisitive to keep collecting pay and accomplishing no advancements. I can hear your Homer Simpson "Doh" right now. LOL
@@politicalfoolishness7491 ~ "Political Foolishness" is a good name for you. I guess you think all scientists should be let go when theories are settled. I suppose you also favor firing all biologists, physicists and geologists, too. Foolishness indeed. That's you, pal. You seem to be an aggressive uneducated ignoramus, a la Homer Simpson. "DOH" fits you.
@@FrankCoffman Re-reading your comments and mine - I think you hold the title of aggressive. As for your opinion of me being an uneducated ignoramus, I really don't care.
@@FrankCoffman Are they all volunteers like me, who educate science illiterates for free ?
Scientific " conclusions" are not arrived at by "consensus".
No one said that. When an overwhelming majority of scientific research finds the same conclusion then that consensus is a relevant metric to consider. There are still a few scientists who believe in a steady state universe, yet the vast majority support the expanding universe model. This consensus among physicists is relevant, just as the consensus among climate scientists is relevant.
it takwes maybe 1000 papers to prove a theory but it takes only one paper that proves it false. thats how science works. You test the theory to fail and more times it didnt fail the more times its likely to be true but it never is absolutely ture. But if its tested once and you dont get same result under same conditions it is false.
We all saw how accurate the COVID-19 models were.
Due to human intervention we've altered the predictions! It's it great! That should make us excited that we can actually stop the worst from happening!
@@3weber3 Does that apply to the worst grammar...?
I’m gonna predict the future: next thing they say is that we are gonna have an ice age
Welcome to Milankovitch cycles
Too late, they were saying that in the 1970's!!!
It's never 100%
that's why flat earthers exist
97% of scientists back in the day believed the earth was flat. And they were wrong, too.
@@iangpark Hundreds? More like thousands. Eratosthenes had (roughly) calculated the size of the earth more than 2 thousand years ago. This involved observations hundreds of miles apart. Which is important because even attempting such a thing in ancient times means he was already very confident of the earth being round, so that this knowledge was likely hundreds if not thousands of years old already by the time of his life in the 200's BC. There is no era in the history of the earth where 97% of scientists believed the Earth was flat. Because frankly anything that far back, they would be more philosophers than anything we'd recognize as scientists.
@@nunya9555 Rubbish
@@nunya9555 Care to provide a little evidence for that statement?
Nunya when was "back in the day"? Even the Ancient Greeks knew the earth was round.
Normally, I make a comment about how I watched this video with the help of my solar arrays, but it's 5 am.
Subtle...
Hi Joe, this is my first visit to your site. I would like to hear your views on Piers Corbyn's comments. He states that CO2 is 0.04% of the total atmosphere and human activity accounts for just 4% of that. He says that termites produce 10x more CO2 than humans. Additionally, he states that the rise in CO2 FOLLOWS the rise in temperature and NOT the other way around. The ocean temperatures are key as the oceans contain much more CO2 than the atmosphere and CO2 solubility varies with ocean temperature. He also says that the CO2 subsumed into the oceans takes 600 to 800 years to re-emerge. Hence, CO2 levels are more affected by the immense stores within the oceans than human activity. My belief is that the Malinkovich cycles and solar cycles may be more promising routes to understanding climate change than the highly politically driven claims of the carbon taxers.
Ok. Basically the ocean is a heat sink. Humans create more co2. The current rate of increase is faster than any natural cycle. Feel free to prove me wrong.
@@mathewtickner Prove that you are right. There is no natural cycle.... our planet does weird things, what we do is very little of it. I don't think us using oil is the problem, I think the removing of the great forests of the world is the problem. We are becoming cleaner, greener, more efficient, but if the forests are gone that's when we are done.
@@kevinkarbonik2928 That's a good point, ask the Alarmists to prove that they are right :D
CO2 is broken down in the ocean into c and 2o where the c sinks the bottom and the two os either find a h to bond with and makemore watter or whatewer is the easiest molecular bond. At no time is there co2 being released from the oceans into the atmosphere.
pyro pyro I'm afraid your chemistry is a bit off. Yes it is true that CO2 forms carbonic acid when dissolved in water which reduces the pH like so,
CO2 + H2O => H2CO3 => H+ + HCO3-
Yes there is a spare proton to bond with carbonates present in the water, so carbonate (CO3-2) is simultaneously consumed by reaction of the excess of hydrogen ions produced from the reaction above which is expressed thus,
H+ + CO3- => HCO3-
The net effect is;
CO2 + H2O + CO3-2 ↔ 2HCO3-
The two major categories of dissolved carbon in seawater are referred to as dissolved inorganic carbon (DIC) and dissolved organic carbon (DOC), but most origins of DIC are biological in nature, so the question still remains to be answered whether the 4% human contribution to CO2 is having a significant effect on climate change.
Because the reactions run simultaneously, both pH and the availability of carbonate are reduced as the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide rises. These reactions are reversible and what overall carbon load remains in the oceans will inevitably fluctuate. Carbon does not build up endlessly in the oceans, it also gets released back into the atmosphere, though there may be net gain or net loss overall, depending on multiple factors, many of which are still far from understood, or remain to be discovered.
Yes, that's the problem with climate change. If I know your political party, I know your position on climate change.
That's pretty much it. And it applies to the so called "science" and the people who deliver it too.
But that's not actually true. Maybe it's true to some extent in the US, but not in general.
@@luke-alex It's true across the world. Brazil is a prime example.
@@luke-alex You're right. I don't know how it is in other countries, though I'm sure it is as hotly debated in most countries as it is in the US, even if it's not split on political party lines. But it's nearly universally true in the US that your party affiliation dictates your position on climate change. This makes me skeptical, not of climate change itself, but of the motives of extremists on both sides: the deniers as well as the alarmists.
@@fredashay What is debated in much of Europe is not the question of whether it's an issue that needs addressed or not, but of which specific policies should be implemented to address it. And it's really not any more contentious than other political questions (less so in many cases).
"Science works on consensus" That is not how science works dude.
You're conflating science and truth. Established theories and laws of science 100% depend on consensus. Truth is something virtually unobtainable, so using that as the basis of science will end up with us never going to the moon because we can never know anything with 100% certainty.
"Peer reviewed science".
I agree with you Sky. They say an overwhelming consensus of climate scientists that agree with this narrative of catastrophic global warming. Consensus has no place in science. Consensus is a political word. It's a legitimate world like in a democracy you're looking for a majority and that is a consensus. but that's about policy. It's not about facts. Facts and science are not about a majority. If you look back to Galileo or Darwin or Mendel or Einstein, they all had to fight, sometimes for decades against a false consensus in order to get the truth out what was really happening in this world.
@@CadePellett Hang on man ... I'm no scientist so just trying to throw some common sense (to me) logic into the ring. Surely, the science of what is here and now (gravity, dark matter, bla bla) takes a different approach to the science that tries to predict the future (how plausible is it to terraform mars, what are the real effects of man made CO2 on the future climate, etc) So SURELY, the latter ... using science to predict stuff that does not yet exist ... MUST rely on consensus. Surely! Someone explain why I'm wrong here.
@@MathsPD, once upon a time there was 100% Consensus that there was no such thing as continental drift. 100% consensus that ulcers were caused by stress and not bacteria, that the sun revolved around the earth. Some of these scientists died before being recognised that consensus means nothing but an opinion.
I live in Canada... Mid January... I could do with some global warming...
I'M JOKING, IT'S A JOKE, PEOPLE!
CHILL! (See what I did there?)
I mean, most climate change deniers don't understand seasons from what I've seen, so
Ya bro did you not notice we had like no winter this year, there was like three snowstorms
@@marcobrace happens all the time, not that unusual
No it's not; this is a joke.
Two planets meet. The first one asks:
"How are you?"
"Not so well", the second answered "I've got the Homo Sapiens."
"Don't worry," the other replied, "I had the same. That won't last long."
@@johnperic6860 He didn't describe climate, he described weather. Learn the difference next time
And how many times in history have scientists been dead wrong?
more times than they were right
I don't know, how many times was it?
Instead of blaming others for pushing some vague agenda, and saying they’re wrong because other people, totally apart, have been wrong, in totally different matters, why don’t you learn, research, find the truth if you find it so difficult to swallow from others.
@gray: It is impossible to do controlled prospective experiments on whole planets.
The earth’s climate may be chaotically fluctuating around a strange attractor. Without man’s effects the earth’s climate may have been actually cooling or at the other extreme it may have been warming and man’s effects are minimal. One thing is for sure: it is extremely costly to force feed renewable energy upon society.
BOYGENIUS538 _ What in the world are you talking about?
"Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world."
"Science is the belief in collective ignorance of experts" This is a quote of Richard Feynman that hits the nail right on the head.
Whatever advances have been made in science over those of antiquity have been made over the objections of the existing experts on the subject at hand.
Well said Aj
Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.
Who is being quoted here?
@@russellmillar7132 Michael Crichton
Plants require less water per unit growth in higher CO2 environments. They develop fewer pores that let the CO2 in, which also reduces water loss
People will counter that argument with the fact that under higher CO2 conditions, nutrition levels of our crops actually drop. This really is true. However, the increased growth rates and hardiness against drought more than makes up for the nutrition loss.
@@jozjonlin3170 That's pretty cool, I never knew that.
@@Arch3an Because it's a dimwitted lie from a moron.
What was it that made you think an education was "optional"?
@ That's a little hostile, don't you think?
There are three types of people in the world; those who can add up and those who can't.
There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand binary and those who don't
Great video! Thanks for covering such a important issue.
"Global warming is man made." Is that absolute?
"Smoking causes cancer." Is that absolute?
The problem is there is too much money involved.
Lots of people are getting rich off climate change. “Green” companies are surging like crazy and growing faster than the research can validate them.
fynes leigh I feel sorry for you my friend. The illness you are suffering from is dangerous and life threatening. Please seek the proper treatment and don’t be embarrassed to ask for help.
And if there were no money involved, you would say: "Look! There is no money involved! Nobody believes this shit! There would be hundreds of companies selling their solutions if there were some hard evidence about this."
Truth about green money hoax: ruclips.net/video/P2a6ve4tILE/видео.html
masalli is an example in Canada they shut down a project for high efficiency waste incineration plants that would have supplied clean power with low emissions. These plants are successful in many other countries and Sweden boast 34 of these plants themselves. Instead the government moved to wind turbines that barely move and do not produce anywhere near the amount of energy needed. That being said the coal plants that the High Efficiency Incinerations plants would have shut down are still spewing pollution in the air and these wind turbines sit there looking over the vast lands. Investigations have found out that politicians got paid handsomely and CEOs raked in the cash while the citizens are no better off and scrambling to find somewhere put their waste.
My point is if you want to make real change you have to do it honestly without any hidden agendas. Do we want a cleaner world yes. All of us do but while you or I type our comments on Smart Phones built in countries where pollution is horrendous and isn’t regulated. You have to see the hypocrisy of supporting places that create pollution far exceeding the global average all while handcuffing countries trying to do their part.
@@ryana3679 How does government inefficiency disprove climate science? Governments make stupid decisions on every subject know to man. Why doesn't government waste disprove any other branch of science? Why only climate science? Why isn't all science faked because of government bureaucrats?
Your comment about corporations being legally obligated to protect their shareholders' value is right on. This is not only a problem in climate issues, but also has led to the vast inequality that we see today. Unchecked capitalism is a headless beast that will eat itself (and us!)
Communism is the answer. ✊
Communism is the only way to be fair
@@caredenttbg4310
There was orders of magnitude greater inequality, aka unfairness, in the Communist Soviet Union. There is, TODAY, a far greater inequality, aka unfairness, in Communist China and Communist North Korea, than any capitalist society.
@@caredenttbg4310 Lol, name one communist society that was "fair". Capitalism is the best way to lift large numbers of people out of poverty which actually sounds pretty fair to me.
please cite one example of unchecked capitalism in the last 100 years?
science is not based on majority rule
Only non-scientists play this chestnut. There is no "ruling" in science. The formation of consensus is directly due to the evidence. Which I notice you don't want to discuss.
brs04wsc i love talking about evidence evidence like at one point in time the arctic was a temprit regen. the fact that 250 years ago deathvalliey was a lake 5000 years ago the Sahara was a rain forest these major changes took place long before the industrial revolution but when you mention this undeniable info you get shouted down and get called a science denier if you do real independent research you get shutdown but no im denieing science not the people who get paid by the u.n they are trust worthy even thoe every 10 years they come out ro say if we dont let the u.n run ower lives the world will end in 10 years lets not question that in any respect the fact that they come to the same conclusion every 10 years that never happens because as we all know if you get something worng constantly its not that your worng some how
brs04wsc or that Michael Mann couldn’t provide evidence for his increasing man made temperature Al Gore based his movie on and lost in court after getting two years time to present the data, but nothing ever came.
Weird huh?
You are so easily fooled!
@@brs04wsc I disagree. Scientific truth is predicated by what has the most supporting evidence, not what has the most consensus. Of course, you could argue that I am splitting hairs here, but it is important to mention that.
I could care less if most scientists agree that a certain theory is correct. I care more about what has the most evidence to support said theory over others.
As humans, we are all flawed, and biases can get in the way of finding truth. It's imperative to look at evidence from a purely objective, non-emotional standpoint in order to not succumb to confirmation bias.
Figures don’t lie, but liars sure can figure
Can anyone explain why the temperature data has been altered? Listen to tony Heller. He uses published climate data.
Temperatures are taken from places that are not to standards, and are increasingly urbanized and paved. Plus anything PC gets a pass. We live in a world not based in truth, but you have to believe the lie or suffer the consequences. Just try to say boys are different from girls.
He cherry picks the data. He looks at 1 season in one area. He ignores 'Global data' and ignores the warming and acidifying oceans.
Just watched one of his videos about the sign removal in glacier NP about the glaciers vanishing by 2020. And then talks about how the glaciers grew last year. Well he ignores that in 1850 there was about a 150 active glacier in GNP and today there are 25 active glaciers. 1 season does not debunk climate change and he ignores the damage already done. Also, just like Al Gore's inconvenient truth these predictions are based on current output at the time. Of course it doesn't quite completely match reality because 1st off it was a worse case scenario and 2nd we HAVE done many things to curb our output. Just because we missed the doomsday button doesn't mean we still can't push it.
Again, he cherry picks.
Thats how climate deniers work.
If you fart in an elevator you're changing the climate in it
For the better... I might add!
@@delinquense Did you know farts have been clocked at speeds of up to 10 feet per second.
And all the humans that have ever lived have released approximately 17 quadrillion farts, imagine that in a lift.
7.52 you state more Co2 leads to higher temperatures. Actually its shown that higher temperatures precede higher levels of Co2.
thats only in ice records, news flash, ice melts as it warms, it comes back as it cools and captures the carbon, so no, its you are just reading data wrong
remember, you are not immune to propaganda or misinformation
John Peric do you understand positive feedback?
John Peric you’re assuming that CO2 is the only player...it isn’t. Think about something as simple as the Milankovitch cycles.
Now take a mostly frozen earth. Add some solar forcing, release some CO2. Solar irradiance has gone up a little bit, CO2 is lagging.
Now, take away some of the solar forcing. C02 levels remain high for a while, eventually dropping as the ice starts to form, etc etc
That’s a VERY basic version of the truth.
Also, I’m ignoring the fact that CO2 actually lead temp increase in the Southern Hemisphere at various times. That’s an entirely different issue though....and one that “the sceptics” never seem to ask questions about...very strange indeed.
... >work together< and beat this shared threat" 😂 Yes I actually laughed hard at that.
Can we just regroup in 3020 and continue this conversation?
Nah. We'll be dead
@@zaynmavrik4922 unless we focus on studying and maybe even reversing the deadliest and completely incurable disease: aging.
Buuut yeah we're probably gonna die before that.
That is maybe even not enought time, give us 5000 years and don`t forget your wooly socks.
according to that eco fascist girl from Europe, will be long gone
@@transporterIII "Eco fascist girl"? You mean Greta Thunberg? She hasn't taken any direct action yet beyond activism, yes, but she definitely isn't an eco facist--which is a sub-branch of facism that may or may not exist. But that's besides the point: she's not one.
I shouldn't have to say this... "Correlation does not equal causation."
Ice core data shows a strong correlation between co2 level and temperature, but when temperatures rise, there is about an 800 year lag, and then co2 levels go up. At least that's what the Vostok ice cores show... Can anyone point to ice core data that shows otherwise?
There is no need to show otherwise potholer54 has explained this multiple times. Long story short, as I understand it being a mere layman, is those lags were due to things like malankovich cycles kicking off the process of warming that caused increases in co2 that finally reached a tipping point that co2 went into a feedback loop. Don't trust my word on it, look at potholer54's videos for a far more in depth explanation.
Here's some reading material...
simpleclimate.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/global-view-answers-ice-age-co2-puzzle/
The best way to understand the greenhouse effect, however, isn't the ice cores. Because it is a very complex explanation - the temperature changes themselves are first triggered by shifts in solar irradiance, causing feedback loops with carbon to occur and amplify the original warming. It does not mean, however, that we can conclude just from the graph the relation of carbon to temperature or lack thereof.
ruclips.net/video/-EJOO3xAjTk/видео.html&ab_channel=TED-Ed
here;'s a very good explanation. I hope you understnad the climate crisis and move to act. We need everyone.
Look up Dr Richard Alley. He is a recognized expert on this.
ruclips.net/video/hDKSkBrI-TM/видео.html
Just like when you start to brake your car it does not stop immediately. We are actually luck that the Earth systems will absorb heat, and that it takes time for the sun to heat up the earth.But to digress: temperature rises first, then CO2 rises proportionally, both reaching their peaks some 800 years apart. The likely culprit is the release of CO2 from the ocean via the thermohaline conveyor which cycles surface and deep ocean waters with periods as much as 1600 years. We do know that the deep ocean holds far more CO2 than the atmosphere - by a long shot - so the capability of being responsible for all of the excess CO2 presently in the atmosphere AND MORE is definitely there.Well we have a situation where the CO2 is already increasing, not due the Ocean releasing it. It will not help us because we have a CO2 increase that is driving a temperature increase, not a temperature increase driving a CO2 increase.
Exxon Mobil. Here's my story involving them.
I worked for almost a decade with a high tech research firm that developed an add-on component for electric fuel cells.
The extra component made fuel cells more efficient while decreasing their overall size in the 10-20% range for both effects.
The technology was completely bought up by Exxon who then proceeded to shut it all down and mothball the research.
And here we are about 15 years later and that research still sits in a dusty room carefully hidden away by EM.
That's all I have to share, facts. The speculation needs to be your own.
Sean Nanoman
That's the problem with technologists. They build things that are useful, then sell the tech to a corporation that kills the project. They should've got the funding to build and market it.
So what is the name of this mystery company? It seems like maybe you would have mentioned that. The fact that you did not is suspicious.
That said, Fuel Cells are still in development, and it is almost certain that Exxon-Mobil would be investing in that technology.
Why? Because fuel cells are generally fueled by hydrogen and the issue with fuel cells is that hydrogen is an extremely volatile and explosive substance when concentrated, just like oxygen. Just like gasoline. Just like kerosene. Just like liquified natural gas.
The same distribution infrastructure used for liquid hydrocarbons will be used for refueling fuel cells with hydrogen. Once fuel cells become more viable and economical, they will be right in that business.
It is coming, just not yet.
I know that's bullshit your talking about a company turning away billions in profits doesn't happen unless the power gained outweigh profit margin
15 years ago, eh? In that case, the patents are nearing expiry. What are the patent numbers?
Fuel cells. Hydrogen is not volatile until it mixes with oxygen. Unfortunately, this ends up with some saying, “what about the Hindenburg dirigible? That hydrogen burn destroyed it in seconds!” ..um, no. What you see when that awful newsreel footage is the coating of the ship’s skin burning away, the flames are bright orange and red. The hydrogen then escaped and ignited above the ship and burned with an almost invisible blue flame. The whole disaster was due to the dope used to seal the cloth covering of the ship. Corporate oligarchs who did not listen to scientists who warned the coating was highly flammable. Do not ignore scientists! Science!
9:42 , it actually cooling
*seeing skyrocketing graphs and sipping from the mug
Joe- no, that's not true
I laughed hard 😂
Well , overall a great video, I m going to send this video to everyone to whom I can send ,thanks
Pushkar, you need to specify the time frame. For example, from the 1940's into the 1970's global temperatures _declined._
When CO2 was rapidly rising, global T declined for _thirty years._ That blows a big hole in the "More CO2 Causes Global Warming" conjecture, no? It absolutely does, because one contrary fact is sufficient to falsify a hypothesis.
Arguing that "CO2=AGW" produces a lively discussion, but from the 1970's on that discussion has been political, not scientific.
It's interesting observing the effect that the mainstream media's monopoly has on what much of the country currently believes. That would never have happened if all other points of view were not marginalized, or completely censored out of what's now amusingly labeled 'the news.'
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about "critical thinking," and naturally everyone likes to style themselves critical thinkers. But before that assumption is made they should consider an undeniable fact: the group doing the critical thinking must have immediate, prompt, and equal access to _all_ available information, no matter what the source is, and regardless of how preposterous some of the group believes any of the information is. The important thing is that the group tasked with arriving at a reasonable conclusion and course of action must have prompt and easy access to _all_ facts, conjectures, points of view, and observations that are related in any way to the problem at hand.
But when all points of view, observations, and facts contrary to the problem are censored out, no action is preferable to actions that are based on erroneous/wrong conclusions. That's where we are now, due to the media's censorship.
The media is deliberately doing a serious disservice to the country by refusing to provide any information that would contradict it's (unstated) goal. Today, _every_ U.S. television network is controlled by just six large corporations. Every TV station broadcasts only the information (the "news") that those six corporations allow it to broadcast. Worse, the same television stations and networks cannot broadcast any information that is proscribed by the networks' owners. Thus, viewers never see any information that conflicts with, or is contrary to the message being broadcast. In this case the message is that "carbon" is pollution, and "climate change" can be controlled with sufficient tax revenue. But media censorship applies to a wide range of subjects, not just to 'climate change'.
Some people may even agree with one-sided media assertions. But how do we know they're valid, when every contrary fact and observation is censored out of the discussion?
Media censorship makes critical thinking impossible since those six corporations are all in agreement. There is no competition between them. The result of their collusion is government-approved propaganda.
The government certainly would have intervened by now if it opposed the collusion of those six corporations, so the fact that the federal government has not intervened is a clear indication that it approves of what those six corporations are doing; deliberately misleading the people by broadcasting only selected information, and by censoring any information that contradicts their favored conclusion.
We The People are being controlled by a few big corporations. Is there any doubt, when the message they broadcast is identical? The same collusion happens in the print media, and on the internet. Free speech is a thing of the (recent) past, since Facebook and its partners in crime appointed themselves as unelected censors controlling everyone's speech.
Why does the federal government sit idly by, watching as the country's free speech is destroyed by these unelected co-conspirators? Why does the gov't take no action? Does anyone doubt that the government would have already charged those corporations with any number of violations, if it disagreed with what they're doing?
The federal government and big business are partners in this "climate change" propaganda. The government cannot take away our right to free speech, so with a wink and a nod it allows its partners to do its dirty work.
Does anyone _not_ see the approaching danger?! If this censorship is allowed to continue the outcome is crystal clear: just like in the old Soviet Union, there will be an aristocratic group ruling it over everyone else. And if anyone presumes they'll be part of that special group if they just suck up, they need to be reminded that in the USSR, those holding a Party card were well under one-half percent of the population. Everyone else did exactly what they were told to do, and no complaining. There were unpleasant places for complainers, and it didn't matter whether they were cheerleaders or critics. Like Cthulhu's disciples, the cheerleaders' only reward was to be eaten last.
The country is a lot closer than most people think to that outcome. This is not a battle between liberals and conservatives. That is just a diversion. The real battle is between those who intend to be our rulers, and the rest of us. If you look at what's happening through that lens you can see it clearly: Billionaires who should be grateful to this country for providing a framework of freedom where they can become immensely wealthy, have almost all become supporters of this new world restructuring, because _they_ will be one of the rulers. But you won't be and I won't be, and no one either of us knows will be one.
So, are you going to roll over? Or fight what's clearly happening? Time's getting short, my friends.
@@boogathon This was ages ago, I'm aware, but I know a little about this so:
No, it doesn't really tell us much about CO2's affect on the climate. That temperature drop from 1940 to the 1970's? It was caused by human-produced aerosols like sulfur dioxide building up in the atmosphere and preventing some of the sun's heat from reaching the lower levels, near the surface.
Naturally, this information was spread by non-scientific press reports who wanted to make it seem far bigger than it was, and a bunch of "The ice age is coming!" type headlines started popping up.
The actual scientific literature of the time, contrastingly, worried instead about trends of human-caused global warming, which was evident even over a longer time scale.
Also, about censorship - there are hundreds of scientific papers (many of which have been disproven, I'm sure) that are publicly available and denounce climate change. You are able to come on the internet and spread your thoughts on it, and this comment has been up for a year. Plenty of people publicly spread similar ideas, and it's easy to agree with them. It seems like they have reasonable arguments, and the common civilian of any country just doesn't have the knowledge to disprove it.
I would ask that, in the future, you come at issues like this with a more open mind, and try to look at them in a more objective sense, though we all struggle doing that sometimes.
@@Roxxyie @Altroxx , thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I try to keep an open mind, within the context of real science. I'm sure you would agree with that, since without rigorous science anyone could invoke magic as an explanation.
The central problem is the one-sided media, as I explained. The same media allows the UN's IPCC to ignore the Scientific Method, when it should be holding the IPCC's feet to the fire.
A corollary to the Scientific Method states that if a hypothesis is falsified once, it proves that hypothesis does not reflect reality.
When a hypothesis doesn't reflect the real world its creator(s) have a choice: they can either "go back to the drawing board," and re-formulate their hypothesis, taking into account the fact that Mother Nature has ruled that it does not describe the real world. Or, they can simply accept Mother nature's verdict, content that their falsified hypothesis shows other scientists that road is a dead end.
The IPCC has done neither. Instead, it digs in its heels and continues to insist that "carbon" is the cause of all climate change (by which they mean that CO2 emitted by human activities is the cause of all global warming).
Thus, the IPCC deliberately ignores the Scientific Method. But why?
I am not assigning motives (although I personally suspect politics), but it is a fact that the IPCC's hypothesis (actually, it is just a conjecture) has been repeatedly falsified.
For one example of many, just prior to our current 'climate,' the Holocene, CO2 levels remained consistently below 300 ppm. Yet global temperatures fluctuated by _tens_ of degrees, within just a couple decades.
What caused those episodes of rapid global warming and global cooling? It wasn't CO2, which remained flat. And since physics doesn't change, those observations decisively falsify the conjecture that the fraction of atmospheric CO2 that is attributed to human emissions cannot be the primary cause of global warming.
Since the end of WWII CO2 levels have steadily ramped up, but global warming has not occurred as predicted. Mild global warming has been observed, but that is probably just a coincidental correlation.
The real question is never asked: why is every television network broadcasting the same talking points? And why are other points of view censored?
Once indoctrination takes hold, the individual rejects any other explanation. That is what is happening. We see it everywhere.
Tolstoy explains it better than I can:
*_I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives._*
Joe tell this to Tony Heller I dare you!
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Ikr!!!
There has been, according to weather ballon and corroborating satellite data sets, a 0.37 C rise in earth temp over the preindustrial baseline level (1850-1880). The land temp record is not fit for purpose because 40 % of land sites are estimated/homogenized and because the urban heat island false high readings have not been removed. The computer models need to be revised because they overestimate the recorded balloon and satellite data, the only reliable data.
It should be noted that the IPCC selected preindustrial average temp of 1850-1880 is among the coolest 10% of such 30 year periods in the entire 10,000 years of the Holocene. The sun’s energy output over the past 40-50 years places us now in a grand solar maximum, a level of activity that hasn’t been seen for 10,000 years. How much of our recent slight warming comes from the grand solar maximum, and how much from CO2? How much of the CO2 increase comes from industrial activities and how much is outgasing from a warming ocean?
The next issue: We don’t know, we can’t directly measure, the sensitivity of the climate to a doubling of CO2 after direct and indirect forcings are combined. At present the indirect forcings of CO2 increase are thought to be 3 times the direct forcing amount. The indirect CO2 increase assumptions are highly uncertain. The lower the actual total/combined CO2 sensitivity, then the lower the risk of significant global warming caused by CO2 increase.
Another huge issue is the incomplete analyses of natural cycles (e.g. particle forcing, tropospheric clouds, electromagnetic coupling, changes in global electric circuit, solar cycles, etc). The more power in each of these variables, the greater the effect on climate change and the lower the CO2 sensitivity. In IPCC 6, for the first time, some but not all of the above natural cycles will be included in the models ( i.e. some of the particle forcing, electrons and cosmic rays). At present the only natural cycle in the models is the measurement termed total solar irradiance that varies little with solar maxima and minima but includes variations in only a relatively narrow spectrum of electromagnetic wavelengths and no particle forcing.
great analysis! where'd you get your degree? oh wait
I’m a retired pathologist. No formal training in climate science. Physics, math, biology, chemistry, statistics yes. Life long learner, yes. Skepticism comes with the package but never lack of respect for others. You?
@@uppjdw If a climate scientist with no formal training in pathology tried to tell you that what you and 90+% of your colleagues thought about the field was wrong, would you respect his opinion?
Ricky
I would listen carefully and see if the new information was accurate, better than my own. What other people in the field might think would not be my concern. It’s incumbent on each of us to analyze the data with the tools, data and expertise we have and try to approach verity. But always with respect for the individual and for the analytic effort.
When I was in medical school all the literature written by world experts showed chronic superficial gastritis and gastric ulcers were caused by too much acid. In my last year of residency 5 years after medical school, a microbiologist reported a peculiar bacteria in many such cases. Before a few years passed, the literature completely changed showing all the pathologic changes were the result of an antibiotic sensitive bacteria of genus Helicobacter. A similar story could be written for the rapid change in the understanding of the cause of cervical cancer, from inflammation to oncocytic viral infection.
I grew up in a world of rapid paradigm shifts. Always the consensus shifted rapidly. And the previous paradigm was completely repudiated. I don’t know that this will happen with CO2 warming paradigm but there are enough unknowns and data peculiarities to make a skeptic.
@@uppjdw You seem smart, so I can't figure out why you think you know more about climate change than climate experts. The preponderance of evidence supports man-made global warming, and the overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree on this. I guess they haven't read the articles you've read? Or maybe you haven't read the articles they've read. Some skepticism is healthy, but skepticism for its own sake impedes progress and in this case, jeopardizes the future of our planet. Unlike you, I know enough to understand just how little I know. I am not a climatologist, so for matters concerning the climate, I defer to the people with the PhDs. I don't cherry-pick "unknowns and data peculiarities" from right-wing blog posts to support a predetermined conclusion.
Imagine that climate scientists who's finding depends on climate change all agree there is climate change. I don't care if there's consensus. Consensus isn't fact.
No, but facts are facts. CO2 in the atmosphere is rising, temperatures are rising. These are facts. The CO2 is man-made (isotope tests of CO2 prove this). Is there anyone, anywhere, who explains these facts with any theory that also doesn't conform with the consensus?
@@christianlibertarian5488 okay, show me causation not just correlation.
The consensus is on the basis of multiple tests scientists have conducted and most tests conclude that the climate is changing. And some correlation and causation can be clear, such as smoking. Scientists have concluded that smoking can cause cancer, so therefore if more people smoke than more people will get cancer
@@c1a2t3a4p5i6l7l8a9r "Causation" is always a mental construct, a pathway of human thought. The causation pathway is clear, increasing CO2 retains infrared radiation on the planet, increasing temperatures worldwide. The data match the theory beautifully. That is good as you can ever get, for any aspect of human endeavor.
@Christian Libertarian - that sounds great except that if the data matched the theory so beautifully they would not have gotten EVERY PREDICTION WRONG FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS. CO2 rise is an effect of warming, not a cause. all the data shows that.
Okay here is my Tangent Cam: Over my life time I have noticed something about the world around me. I have traveled a lot locally and world wide and I experienced the same thing. When traveling into a populated area I have seen noticeable temperature rise and a temperature drop as I leave the area. Kind of like the temperature change you experience going in and out of your house. I have also experienced temperature change with elevation change. Sometime the lower elevation is colder than the higher elevation and then I have experienced the opposite. Lower elevation is warmer that the upper elevation. So I have to question where are the temperature readings being taken. And to add to the mix has the population density changed in the monitored areas? There are so many variables it makes it difficult to say positively one way or the other the definitive reality of climate change. I know we all change the environment around us just by living anywhere. We can do the everyday things to reduce our effects on our environment. We just have to try to intelligently reduce our effect on the environment and still live and prosper. The thought that Human life is a virus on the world is wrong. If all human life was wiped out the world would carry on and constantly change and Humans would not be here to worry about it.
that’s why there is this thing called statistics. One data point at any given time is useless. Millions of data points over a hundred year time span can tell you about a trend in global average temperature.
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The urban heat island effect is a real thing, but I wouldn't be too concerned about that having an impact on the overall picture of climate change, which is indeed a definitive reality. Temperature measurements, in addition to being land based and in a broad diversity of locations, are also satellite based. Satellite readings are not going to be affected by the urban heat island effect when taking global average measurements.
These changes in temperature you're feeling are very small, climate change takes an average temperature from a large amount of locations over a long period of time to build a trend graph and we see a sharp increase in temperature corresponding to the industrial revolution and increased CO2 emissions being polluted into the air.
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Pootoompish, lol
In the 2013 study-you left out that 66% did not take a stance on AGW....the classic move.
He avoided many eye opening numbers under the guise of percentage of respondents. The reports even admit to only selecting a few opposing papers just to represent them.
And? If somebody doesn't take a stance, this doesn't mean that he denies it.
People may have studied bird migration and reported the change in pattern. Should they now take a stance on AGW or not? Scientifically correct they will just report their part they were doing.
You also left out the logic in that statement: The sample size were papers that included "global warming" or "climate change" in the abstract. They could be talking about previous climatic changes, or they could be talking about observations with climate change, or with corrections to temperature datasets, but none of those papers would be relevant in determining anthropogenic influence in recent climate change.
@@richardpetek712 Right-but many could have stated that there is not enough evidence either way. Either it's dishonest or this guy is just parroting info he has not looked into.
They're scientists, they didn't respond because they have no clue and they're not arrogant like climate change deniers.
Science is true whether you believe it or not.
EXACTLY and ask a FIREMAN - PARAMEDIC AT THE DEADLY EFFECTS OF HEAT IN OUR CITIES
DEADLY
You do realize today's scientific theories will be undoubtedly dis-proven by "science" in the future? I mean, years ago "science" stated the earth was flat. Whether you believe it or not...science is wrong
@@JB-cd6gn They had shitty technology. We are more advanced now and can do so much more.
@@dr.sliver9583 Exactly, you've proven my point. Todays shitty science and shit tech is the only lense we can judge the world by, just gonna take us 20 years to realize it
@@dr.sliver9583 Still havent solved the issue of the plastic continent we created in the Pacific, cant stop trying to top and kill each other. Real advanced buncha animals, we humans
Merchants of Doubt is an excellent book. I've read it and I totally agree with you. Thanks for a great job. 👍👍
You missed out Sun-spots!
Point for point he is all proven wrong here: ruclips.net/video/oYhCQv5tNsQ/видео.html
And chemtrails, and Jews, and the government...
You had me at "F*** Al Gore." 😂
Al Gore is NOT a scientist and I don't know of any peer-reviewed scientific journal that cites his works as such. You are mixing apples and oranges. old geologist
You say 9o% of respondents agreed with the statements. How many 'respondents', as opposed to those invited to respond, were there?
Only 35% of invited scientist actually thought this was a subject worth their time to respond. So putting that into perspective, that means 90% of the 35% of scientists that responded believe in man made global warming.
@@dinstar-as3228 Or in other words, a vast majority of a one-third minority of scientists say global warming is man-made. I'm not seeing validation of the oft vaunted, "97% of scientists agree...." consensus claim in that. What I do see is that more than half the scientists invited to respond, thought they had better things to do than participate. I would still like to know the numbers i.e. how many people were invited to respond, how many people actually responded and how many agreed that global warming was man-made.
@@lonegunman4261- exactly!
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics
@@lonegunman4261 ,
Not only that, but how many think it is a big issue or not?
I noticed the question was do you believe global warming is happening and it is man made.
Well. I agree that mankind likely has some warming effect on the environment. So I guess I would agree to that survey. I DON'T believe it is in anyway a big deal and is probably actually beneficial. Life thrives much more in warm periods than it does in cold periods.
In the beginning of the video Joe talks about the money people are making by denying global warming. Are you saying there isn't a lot of money being made on the other side? Of course there is.
For this video I think Joe took off his science hat and put on a political hat.
The study did not conclude consensus in all aspects of global warming. All you needed to agree with was that carbon levels were rising in the atmosphere.
This is not a debate anymore. For those who find science hard, and have no research degrees think about this. The financial cost of climate damage is rising exponentially, over the last 10 years. Climate damage in the US is costing hundreds of billions of dollars. Australia burned for 4 months, Alaska and Siberia have burned every summer. 18 of the last 19 years have been the hottest on record. Texas, Arizona and Florida are becoming unliveable. Europe has been devastated with heat and floods, costing tens of billions. 9 million people die every year due to climate change. BP is getting out of fossil fuel.
Everything is political in this day and age. Thanks Facebook
You can thank the filthy Republicans.
@@mickael486 oh I thank democrats just as much. It takes 2 to tango
@@doyoulikeduckmeat Shall we ask The Donald who does the most attacking...?
@@boogathon ask whoever you want. I don't vote for Republicans or Democrats you are both exactly the same.
Donald is a symptom of what is wrong with this country not the root problem. If you think he is what made things political your head has been buried in the sand for the last 20 years.
@bethanytherubicon - it really is partisan politics. I have some views that are outside the norm for liberals and a few that are outside the norm for conservatives. The problem is people spend most of their time getting their preformed opinions validated by whatever news channel they watch. There's little to no compromise and if an idea doesn't work one side immediately blames the other instead of taking time to look at the idea and judge it on its merits instead of whether or not its part of their preferred political dogma. Its a sorry state of affairs if you ask me and both sides are to blame.
The slow and painful advance towards truth is best served by the open and honest airing of disagreement, but even when this happens, damn its a painful process.
Karl Popper (philosopher of science) argued that the scientific practice responsible for the origins of our currently held "scientific beliefs" is indeed tribal and highly political, despite claims that science is primarily observation and rational extrapolation. Everyone except me of course, you can trust my opinion, I have no bias.
Thats because everything humans do is tribal and political. The idea of objective truth is just downright silly.
So True ;-) I think mister Popper called it verisimilitude; the appearance of being true or real - that's what we are competing for... or in modern parlance " the winning paradigm has the best marketing".
Rejected study proposal: "Quantifying the effects of carbonized tobacco on malignant cancer cells." Accepted study proposal: "Quantifying the effects of climate change affected carbonized tobacco plants on malignant cancer cells." - If you want funding, you better get with the programme. (University of Nottingham, UK - 2009)
Very nice... and If I hypothesize that the "climate change affected tobacco" has a measurably greater disruption to the cellular metabolic processes... I may get funding for a comparative study! (Do I sound like a slightly jaded research scientist?).
Hey Joe, watch Tony Heller's videos. The 20's and the 30's were scarier than today.
Heller is deliberately misrepresenting data to support his bullshit claims. His theories have been debunked multiple times.
Come on man.
@@kabubagachugu7729 all theories get debunked all the time... Just depends what side of the fence you sit on.
@@kabubagachugu7729 by whom? If anyone fucked with data it's nasa.
Pip Santos why not get your information from a group of people who have studied this their whole life, instead of one random person? Single people are often dumb, or nutty, or liars, but its much less likely a group of scientists as a whole will be liars. And im not talking about nasa or anything like that, nasa are a space agency and not specifically a group of climate scientists.
@@kabubagachugu7729 Have you inspected the Noah data? You can download it and see for yourself. I did. He is not lying. You only need a high school education to have a look at the Noah data.
Joe Scott is describing how research science actually works and why rapid global warming is a reality, but it takes an open mind to grasp the logic of his words. The story of present climate change is complicated and not easy to explain to skeptics, but it stems from one single source; excessive CO2 from burning fossil fuels. This presentation by Joe Scott answers all the questions that doubters have about global warming. Please listen to this video and give it honest and fair consideration, especially if you doubt the reality of man made global warming. Joe Scott is not trying to fool you, or limit your freedom, or offer a back door rationale to raise your taxes, he's simply stating the scientific basis that corroborates the reality of a warming planet. I urge all to view this video and pass it on to others.
You didn't address the data issues with all those "temperature" graphs. What is a temperature anomaly, and what sample was used to create a baseline average?
They change the debate to make their opponents seem stupid, we all know the Earth is warming, just as scientists knew it was cooling in the 70’s and the ‘consensus’ was we were heading towards an ice age.
Scientists aren’t Gods, they are simply making assumptions from data which can be skewed to fit different goals, like increased tax revenue in this case.
1924 was very warm in the Arctic. Why?
I think Joe needs to watch a few videos from Tony Heller to see how those graphs he used can be manipulated
@@MarkOfBitcoin I think you guys are missing the point. Those graphs alone are not meant to prove global warming. They're just used to disprove the crazy claim that the earth is actually cooling down.
@@imluvinyourmum a majority of climatologists believed in global warming already in the 70s. Also nobody claimed we were "heading into an ice age", a minority expected cooling, which is not the same.
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Here's the thing. We know how CO2 (and other gasses, will just use CO2 for this comment) reacts to infrared. We have satellites in space measuring how much infrared escapes the atmosphere. They have been measuring for decades. As the concentration of CO2 increases, the amount of infrared escaping the atmosphere has diminished by a predictable amount.
So, where is the CO2 coming from? Well, we know how much CO2 is produced from burning a pound of coal or gallon of gas. So we just add up all the fossil fuels harvested or refined and do the math. We started doing the math decades ago and the concentration of CO2 has increased at a predictable rate.
When we add it all up, the earth should be warming and it should be caused by humans. If the earth was not warming, where all the CO2 we produced or infrared captured by the CO2 was going would be a mystery. But, we have these things called thermometers that can measure the temperature in places all around the world. They are, predictably, trending upward at a rate that coincides with the amounts of CO2 we emit.
WHERE is all the CO2 going? Seriously? It is taken in by PLANTS that use the CO2 to grow and then exhales OXYGEN into the air for Humans to breathe!!! We take in the OXYGEN to live and grow and exhale CO2, it is a symbiotic relationship. Did you not attend 3rd grade science classes? If you want the CO2 levels to decrease, then plant more trees!
@@williamhalejr.4289 Whoa there! Demand side considerations are not allowed! Don't you get the memos? 97% of NASA's flight surgeons are against using artificial gravity for long duration space missions. You see, all of their data is for zero-gee only. Why go around making such a mess of things?
Just keep it real and I'll accept the numbers. I just hate the politics involved in climate change.
Same here. That's usually when a discussion/debate tends to go south and become.... heated.
And all the failed end of the world predictions, "There will in no more snow by 2016" -Al Gore 2006. Gore, you'll remember, also famously said “the entire North Polarized cap will disappear in 5 years." That was in 2008 I haven't been to the North Pole in awhile, but I think it's still covered in ice. Btw, he wasn't making this stuff up, he was getting it from the 'experts" Remember, we only have 12 years left! But still not one of these experts/high profile preachers of doom are calling to ban private jets...wonder why?
Science said the numbers. And what now? Will you just look at them and gaze?
Or take action?
Even if we ignore just climate change, why not move towards renewable energy? It’s safer, cleaner, and cheaper. Fossil fuels are bad enough not even including global warming.
We should all care about the environment.
Indeed.
We're going to need the plastics and other materials made from petroleum resources, instead of just burning them up.
We can't mine petroleum resources from other planets, moons or asteroids.
The operative word in "fossil fuels" is fossil.
As far as we can tell so far, Earth is the only place in the immediate neighborhood in the Milky Way that has had the level of life necessary to become a useable amount of petroleum resources.
What we have now seems to be all we will ever have.
Clean renewable energy is the way into the future.
Nobody want's to live in pollution anyway.
@@tanners885
They're delicious.
@@tanners885 see Potholer54’s video “A CONSERVATIVE solution to global warming”
To be clear. It's not 97% of scientists but 97% of peer-reviewed scientific papers on the subject. It isn't necessarily one person per paper.
Most academic papers have multiple authors...
The 97% is a figure the author came up with BEFORE googling the data.
The actual validated figure is 0.3%.
Man made climate change is a marxist ruse to destroy the west.
It is not 97% of peer reviewed data, it was a selected few papers that mentioned the fact that man could be influencing climate change. This statistic is the most bogus published number in science.
@@fivish : That's almost comically dumb unless it's meant as satire... please tell us it's satire.
@@48Ballen : That is false. Surveys have been done many times and the consensus is not only that high, all legitimate scientific organizations agree. I don't know who you're listening to but they are full of it.
I'm more concerned about the Yellowstone caldera erupting in our lifetime.
yes agreed, yet that maybe in 2503 or later 5098.
This issue is a major problems, already killing some older and disabled ppl.
Ask a fireman or paramedic, thousands dead in major cities already
They should try to tax Yellowstone
We can't do anything to prevent a volcanic eruption. Its like worrying about a lightning starting a Forrest fire when a is kid playing with matches next to you.
would it be that impossible to drill the caldera and easy the magma pressure enough to avoid a cataclysmic eruption?
Well one thing good about the Democrats, their schools made our kids no longer fear 100 million degree fireballs and mushroom clouds raining down on their houses. They are now more properly focused on the scary shit of a 1/100 of a degree "average" warming 100 years from now. Glad we have gotten their priorities reordered.
Would you be interested in talking about making renewable energy more viable, as it stands wind and solar, or even hydro really isnt cutting it in all estimates. I'm always saying we need to put more research and evolve nuclear energy.
Nuclear is not renewable. People need to stop mislabeling it. Is it highly effective yes, is it a good source of power, yes. It does however use fuel and as such is not renewable. It produces waste and therefore is not clean, A very small amount of waste in the production of power.
Nuclear also does not have a great track record. So the public is not really going to get behind it and I also think once these plants are made common there will be alot of cost cutting, its human nature.
Is it better then petrol yes. Is it needed maybe? I am no expert and the main problem with solar and wind is they are not on demand but nuclear is not either.
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@@freedomcounty6736
Speak English.
And when we move to solar/wind people will be complaining about that, guarantee it.
When I was younger paper bags were complained about then we went to plastic to save the trees and then we went back to paper again because plastic kills sea turtles. Wtf?
@@generalharness8266 I would say that nuclear has a pretty safe track record if we are not counting Chernobyl, nobody likes to give the nukes credit but it is a viable alternative. besides, who is offering up better ideas?
I like how dude made a whole ass video about myths and why people shouldn't believe them and there are still people in the comments like 'nuh uh' 🤣🤣
Hi Joe. Interesting choice of words "97% support the idea that the climate is warming and human beings are causing it". That of course is not the same as 97% have done the science themselves and come to the same result. As I understand it there is no actual 'controlled experiment' that can be done here - the best that can be expected is to postulate a theory based on mathematical calculations that incorporate known physical properties of gases and vapors as effected by solar radiation and derive a predictive model that subsequently closely aligns with actual observations over a suitably acceptable period. Now tell me that 97% have done all that and I'll gain some confidence that "97% support the idea that the climate is warming and human beings are causing it" actually means something worth taking note of. Just for the record I do not know what to 'believe', I just find some of this kind of stuff 'unbelievable'. From a fence-sitter.
seggy224 : I totally agree
I think you should go back and listen to the reference to 97%. You misunderstood it completely. It refers specifically to scientists whose area of expertise includes climate change.
@@rubybarone so, 97% of 5% who were surveyed. Correct?
@@nathanlyon6307 if you wanted to build a tower, would you employee a couple of engineers, or hundreds of zoning operators, city developers and architects? Btw he said that the average consensus rose to 97% when looking at scientist who specialized in climate sciences. It's not like the geologist had a 13% agreed rating and it jumped to 97% with climate scientist.
@@tylersatter825 regardless of the %, concensus does not equal scientific fact.
Scientific theories and concepts are proven factual by reproducibility through the scientific method.
I don't think anyone would argue that as a species, we continue to contribute both in a positive & negative way to our environment. Regardless, we should test every idea for validity, and not make assumptions based on concensus.
Yeah, weird how all the big energy companies (that I know of) are investing heavily into renewables.
@@kathleenkalman4796exactly, that's where the government grants are headed!
Gosh, when I hear such stupidity I fear for society..... OF COURSE they want in on a scam like this....it’s a win win!
And if Garbage was as heavily subsidized and politically strongarmed into legislature, they would heavily invest in that industry instead.
There is money to be made and good PR to be had. Never mind that the money comes from the taxpayer...
There is money to be made
Always hedge your bets.
I go into the RUclips comment section sparingly and actually leave something behind even more so. Im typing this after getting lost for a moment or 12 but Im too excited not to say something, so...hi! Im so happy i found your channel. Ive watched just about all your videos and absolutely love what you're doing. I hope you continue to grow and expand and us along with you
It's not the fact that it is happening, It is the "solution" that is in question.
Great job on debunking these myths -- and thank you for mentioning Debbie Dooley and her group Conservatives for Energy Freedom. I had never heard of either, and I've followed the climate change debate since 2009.
not trolling... just happy to see the reasons why we humans like to blame the other side for abuseing climate carbons and not being controlled taxed and aborted so that we can have less carbon that comes from humans who are dumb and producing carbon.... THOSE HUMANS need to be gassed or die of a virus if you think about it cause they are denyers of climate changing and global warming. If we thought like this... we wouldnt even know it... in fact meanwhile while we think we are superior for being a climate change accepter... we know we are better. arent we? its so funny how we forget things too.
CMEs and explosions from a sun that could just burp and incenerate all life on earth with a licking flame that reaches as far as mars is very possible because they have been happening in the opposite direction of earth recently and we have just been pretty lucky so far. 8 min ago it could happen and by the time we realized it... it would be to late to tell anyone. thats a myopic view of global warming and climate change.. but 2000 years ago weve been warned by a promise of a rainbow. its not going to be some silly flood, this next time it will be a unquenchable fire that kills off every living thing on the planet. SCIENCE SAYS SO by looking at stars exploding and cmes and watching asteroids collide and kill planets off. Suppose Jupiter misses a few asteroids that are big enough to tbone earth... we wouldnt see it until it was to late because they dont exactly shine... it would be cool to laugh at while blaming all those denyers about climate change and how more people need to die and or be taxed to death to go homeless and stop producing carbon. The nazis liked to do that too. so lets join up with them and use our super uber control of everyone to demand control and manipulation... we can make money and taxes off of the backs of poor people by selling them books and science channels about climate changlings.
But it could be better if a super volcano could go off and cool the planet because its important to come up with ways to super cool the earth by 20 degrees instead of whining and complaining about climate change. Who is the denyer? the person who only wines about climates changing from winter to hot summers... or perhaps they come up with sollutions to push the earth several hundred thousand miles further out of its natural orbit. Perhaps forcing the cooling will be the reason to build a bomb to put into a super volacno and drive the climate into an ice age. WE NEED TO QUIT BLAMING HUMANS AND START CHANGING THE CLIMATE TO BE COOLER... TO many humans use cars so killing half of the population with a virus like covid 19 is cool. If i was dr Fouchi thats what i would do and produce after i tested mers and sars which are created and similar.
So the hockey stick was a fair and accurate representation of the relationship between temperature and co2?
hardly
One more thing, outside of this specifically, love your channel!!
If Joe is right in all his other videos, maybe he is right in this one too and you are the one blinded by politics.
@Који Курац No, I believe the scientific consensus. And, yes a scientific consensus is a real thing.
@@johnw7278 ^Projection^.
"Corporations have a legal responsibility to protect the shareholders' assets." Maybe that's the problem? Protecting the shareholders' assets often runs counter to the public good. Maybe their responsibility to the public should trump their responsibility to the shareholders?
To Joe and Joe's team,
I Love your work! I try to watch one of your videos every morning.
I definitely support climate-change policies and believe at least most arguments denying climate-change are part of a disinformation campaign.
However, there are just a few things you say that I don't agree with, starting at 6:04, where you had just mentioned the other side's point that the consensus could be due to publishing bias. I don't think that just because some papers denying climate-change do get published that means that there's no pressure to not publish such papers or that the number of such papers is unaffected by such pressure.
Also, at 6:15, you begin saying, "If a scientist has iron-clad proof . . . ." I don't think that just because there isn't a scientist with iron-clad proof showing that climate-change is not happening that means there aren't any NON-iron-clad proofs or supporting evidence or that there isn't any publishing bias against such evidence, data, or arguments. And, of course, the fact that there's no iron-clad proof that climate change isn't happening is not itself proof that climate change is happening.
Perhaps you were addressing an audience that thinks there actually is iron-clad proof against climate-change but it's being suppressed. Even so, I'm not entirely convinced that the scientific community would react the way that you have foretold. I can't remember if you've done a video on this, but I'd be surprised if you weren't at least aware of one or more psychology experiments demonstrating that even when the majority of a group of people publicly agree something is true when it is obviously not true, the minority (the real test subjects) will usually go along with the majority (who are secretly in on the experiment). Most people have difficulty thinking independently, especially when their careers are at stake. Scientists are people too.
Your next point was that this field is the only one that gets this much scrutiny. While I agree with the statement, I don't think I agree with the take-away you intended for it. I happen to believe that publishing bias is a much bigger problem than most people realize. So I think we need to scrutinize this much over more things. But scrutiny takes work, so it's no surprise that we only scrutinize over things that really matter to us.
I haven't looked at the evidence for climate change and didn't really pay any attention to the data you've presented here. But that's okay because it just means I get to watch your video again, later. But I believe the climate is changing simply because I would expect it to even if no one told me that it is. And perhaps that's the argument you should be making. If the data is really inconclusive or if there really is no consensus, then we should still error on the side of caution if for no reason other than that it makes sense that the climate should be changing or that climate-change should not be easily dismissed just because there's no consensus. The default position to take when there's no consensus is not necessarily to keep doing business as usual.
Thank you for creating one of the best channels on RUclips.
I think more people would get on the CC bandwagon if the solution did't always involve the levying of absurdly high taxes.
coldWire ah yes, saving the world is too expensive, let’s just pretend the threat isn’t there
What about if the true cost of products (ie fuel) was charged to consumers. Ie the cost of climate change problems for petrol, and the cost of the burden placed on the healthcare system for junk food?
A carbon tax with redistributive qualities would ease the effects for the vast majority of people. The only people who could object to that are the top 1% of people who would bear the brunt of that. But considering the majority of durable wealth was created in the first place through the extraction of the Earth's natural resources, I think that's a totally fair trade off. If you go to dinner with a friend and they order a buffet of stuck pig, jumbo prawns, and every wine and appetizer on the menu, and you order a sandwich, then it would be unfair for you to have to split the bill with them 50/50
Apparently those who are argue against the supposed "tax hell" that a green new deal would bring, are too busy doing that instead of presenting a more feasable alternative (that doesn't involve just saying "free market", because that basicly means the status quo. You need a plan, how the free market will bring change, otherwise it's like hoping for a miracle).
The right answer is to develop fuels that don't rely on Carbon. But that requires physics, which is too difficult for the average Climate Scientist.
Fortunately, the Fusion experimental reactor in France is getting close to being done. If they get fusion to work, then CO2 problem goes away.
But when the CO2 problem goes away, the opportunity to make money off of it also goes away.
Mars is heating up because of all the SUV's we've been sending up there;-)
We don't live on Mars! Why would it's unique situation apply to earth?
PS. Why do you people single out Mars? Shouldn't ALL the planet's be heating up, if it's a solar issue?
Well, it never happened until we put all those vehicles on the planet. Now the planet is 96% CO2.
@@johnedwards1968 Mars atmosphere is 96% CO2 why isnt it a hothouse as government "science" teachers tell naive little children will soon happen to the Earth?
And if those SUVs were burning carbon-based fuels to power their internal combustion engines, I might agree with you. However, as the SUV-sized rovers are using either solar power or plutonium to generate electricity for their DC electric drive motors (emissions-free, by the by) I don't think it is fair to accuse us of precipitating Mars' climate crisis.
Now, Earth's climate crisis, on the other hand...
@@brucefrykman8295 That's a very simple answer... Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere so there is no greenhouse gas effect like we would have here on Earth. Its not just CO2 that causes it, but rather how it interacts with the other particles under atmospheric pressure that causes the runaway greenhouse effect. Venus for example has an atmosphere and a similar amount of CO2, but because Venus has atmospheric pressure and Mars does not the result is Venus is the hottest planet in the solar system and Mars is cold.
More accurately there are two groups: there are people who accept the science
And there are people who, for whatever justification, think we should do nothing. How they justify their inaction, is not all that relevant.
Where I live it's too cold in the winter so I support global warming.
Where I live, when no storm comes, the country starves. The rice fields will be dry. But when storm do come and cause a few deaths, the authorities are selling climate change like crazy. The thing is, it's been calm lately. Storms are rather tame. But the hysteria have not subsided.
Thank you Joe for all of your thoughtful good-faith discourse over the years. I've been a fan since you first discussed how the Mayans predicted the movie "The Room."
I'm intrigued. Which video was that in?
@@BruceHurley Hello Bruce. It was Ask Joe Episode 1. Joe's come a long way.
random thought: has the current "Covid lockdown" had any affect on our weather? I really enjoy your work!
Look it up. Yes. Huge drops in levels of. CO2
Actually, doesn't seem random.. very interesting and would like to see an answer to this. Good thought!
@@hazelsleep4264 how steep is the drop? Enough its turning back damage?
To say that lockdown had a major longterm effect would be wrong. We'd need to reduce or stop carbon creation for decades to get things completely okay. However with millions not driving, there were noticeable carbon emissions and airborne pollutant levels dropping and visible clearance of the air. Smog also reduced. This is why green energy on a global scale is so important. :)
@@juliebarnette9083 Unfortunately not in the long term. The belief is, if widespread lockdown continues into the winter, many people in the northern hemisphere will start cranking up the heating at home and driving CO2 levels right back up again (if their energy systems are run from coal and gas stations, which unfortunately many are). This may well undo all the good lockdown has done so far.
Turning back the damage is going to be a very long process, taking longer than it took to cause it in the first place. Our best carbon capture devices at present are natural ones - trees.
However, trees are planted as small saplings, and the CO2 they absorb for the first 20 years (unless they are fast growing types, like Ash, Birch, some forms of Eucalyptus - such as Eucalyptus viminalis) is pretty small when compared to a more mature tree of about 30 years upwards.
Still, even as a long term solution, trees could be farmed as 'carbon capture units' and then cut down as soon as they peak, then placed into dry storage (some obviously could be used in furnishings, etc, as per usual - in fact much more effort ought to be taken to replace plastic with wood-based products).
Another efficient form of carbon capture is in soil generation.
We definitely need to be concentrating on saving soil from washing away in floods, because this releases catastrophic amounts of CO2 as well.
This year's flood disasters in China may have given some people a lot of satisfaction, thinking that China 'deserves' all this. However, whatever your views on China, the devastating floods has caused a significant amount of soil erosion, taking trees and plants with it, dumping them all in the sea, along riversides and in river basins.
As a consequence, CO2 will be released, large amounts of methane will also start to be generated. What those who celebrate this devastation don't seem to realise is - the damage done by the Chinese floods will not limit itself to China. It'll effect everyone, fuelling yet more extreme weather for us all.
The hit that Covid has had on the construction industry means that less concrete has been used, which is quite a significant producer of CO2 (the curing process releasing this gas for 2 years after the concrete has been laid).
I know that some hospitals have had to be thrown together quickly in response to Covid, necessitating some concrete work, but that's in a minority of countries. Overall, construction was down for a while and the economic situation will keep it down fro a few years.
However, again, all those floods caused a lot of infrastructure damage across the world, sweeping away bridges, homes, roads, etc - and the majority of these will be rebuilt using concrete as foundations.
What needs to happen is for a global reassessment on the importance of turning environmental protection, enhancement and re-establishment into an industry.
Presently, the environmental movement seems to attract a lot of people who go no further than air comments online and occasionally wave a placard in a noisy protest. Protests are good - if the protesters practice what they preach. However, often those people make no life changes worth making, still driving, still flying to exotic holiday destinations, still spending all day on their phones.
Very few actually go the whole hog and commit to a more environmentally friendly lifestyle: turning vegetarian or vegan (easier than I thought), make a personal vow to never travel by plane (dead easy to do), limit driving to an absolute minimum (which is going to be a bit more of an issue now that there's the chance of catching Covid on public transport), and making a physical contribution by actually planting trees (I'm an ex-gardener, so I know what I'm doing. But some people don't have a clue, even other gardeners I should add. So many trees go in the ground each year, only to perish).
Worse is the problem of space to plant a tree. Pocket handkerchief gardens are the norm for most people, and without research most trees can become overbearing in time. Those with large gardens don't plant enough, preferring an expanse of lawn (requiring energy-consuming lawnmowers to maintain) and frivolous flowerbeds to show off their properties. Tree-planting schemes are too thin on the ground, with some requiring the volunteers to pay fees, sometimes unreasonably high fees that dissuade a lot of well-meaning people who can't afford but really want to do their bit.
Governments worldwide need to find more ways to make environmental protection into a successful business.
Not just that, they really need to financially back scientists and inventors who have the capability of discovering different legitimate means of producing energy from renewable resources, better recycling, and stripping the excess carbon and methane from our atmosphere. There's some great people out there with some fantastic ideas - if they had the backing.
As far as I see it, governments the world over are going to these summits, shaking each other's hands a lot, agreeing something has to be done, and then going home to do nothing. It's almost like they are each waiting for the first nation to actually find a way of making a profit from environmental protection, but no one wants to take that first step.