Sawed-Off Shotguns in the Old West
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- The Sawed-Off Shotgun in the Old West
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"Give Doc the shotgun. They'll be less apt to get nervy if he's on a street howitzer."
Actually, they gave Doc the shotgun because the real Doc was a terrible shot with a revolver.
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Doc: proceeds to instigate the shootout
I don't think the one in the movie at least was sawed off.
@@dn88s It wasn't. Technically "shortened" as a messenger gun.
John Wayne telling James to keep that shotgun pointed at this table…both barrels…like one barrel could be pointed somewhere else and the table. I always chuckle at that line. Great video Santee thank you.
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Great idea for a new weapon; the duckfoot multi barrel sawn off shotgun!
I believe he was just letting him know to use both barrels if they try anything. It also lets the ones at the table know that they would catch both barrels if they try anything.
I recently discovered your channel, and I Love it. But I refuse to subscribe, because I know if I do- I will become addicted. And if there is one thing I hate, it's good old fashioned addiction.
@@tomspaur3789 There’s nothing wrong with feeling the same way as millions of other folks. I respect your honesty and thank you.
Been in love with sawed-off shotguns since I saw Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior over 40 years ago.
Me too.
A lion , snake, and dog walk into a bar , the bartender pulls out a shotgun and says
“How the heck did that snake just walk in here?”
Don't give up the day job!
That snake has always been a pain in the asp.
He just escaped from New York
@@PhantomObserver The scale of this one is getting just to much.
So long as it's not a lion, a witch and a wardrobe he shouldn't be that surprised.
in the early 1900s the Ithaca gun company produce a limited number of factory made 20ga double barrel pistols called the Auto and Burglar gun 10 to 12 inch barrels, "saw grip" and a holster - outlawed by the NFA in 1934
NFA--No Fun Allowed
@@tomjackson4374 NFA = Not Freaking American
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They weren’t outlawed. They now need a federal license, (Tax Stamp.)
@@George-tz1cv The feds use the word "restricted"
"Awright, I got two barrels! Who wants the first?" "Hello Bob," Billy Bonney to Bob Olinger.
"Hold my beer," said Curly. Regrettably, those were his last words.
Yep
Best $1.80 I ever spent.
@@ianfinrir8724 Great line.
@@ianfinrir8724 Keep the change Bob..
Few years ago Forgotten Weapons had an old west revolver shotgun that had been cut down to pistols size. My 1st thoughts were that the barrel and stocks could have been damaged, and it was simply a case of waste not want not.
Interesting... maybe!
In Cormac McCarthy's delightful childrens novel Blood Meridian, there is a scene were one of the gang wants a gunsmith to saw the barrels off a fine English shotgun, the gunsmith refuses to do it out of disgust at the idea of wrecking such a nice piece. If you haven't read it you simply must, the audiobook is excellent if you prefer that format.
Thank You! Violent story!
Currently watching this episode from the range at the 2024 WA State SASS Championship. Thanks for the morning’s entertainment Santee, see ya on down the trail.
Does that mean there might be video evidence of this event sometime in the future ?? 😁😁
You're welcome Jed.
I did a lot of filming this weekend@@oregonoutback7779 so, of course!
Duke said to keep the gun pointed at this table. Both barrels. I'm not sure how he could only point one barrel at the table!
Great video!
-Desert Rat Rick
Thank You!
I think Perdasoli arms offers a Calvary shotgun and they have a twenty bore howdah pistol. A load of #4 buck closely matches a short shot gun load.
Wear wrist support when shooting😊
They do. Muzzle loader.
A "Street Sweeper" is a must for any collection. Henery makes some really nice short barrel guns.
Some nice ones, yes.
American Gun Craft, 12 Ga. Shotgun Pistol, starting at $499. Barrel lengths from 6-11 inches.
Neat little muzzleloader, but not Old West-looking.
NAA North American Arms Bears Bark 12 ga
Sebru Super Shorty ( hard to find)
Moss berg Shockwave 12 ga
Almost forgot Churchill 512 side by side my personal favorite
I love that you showed a scene from El Dorado that was filmed at Old Tucson Studio. The last time I was there, that location (inside the gun store) was still there. 🥰
Still is. Thanks!
That shotgun scene from Open Range has to be one of my all time favorites, right down to the twitching leg 😱 I also loved Viggo's 8 gauge in Appaloosa. Very effective cannon, if you could handle the recoil 😁
Yes, recoil is a hurdle.
Open range is one of my favorites.
Actually, with the percussion versions they were widely used in Southern Cavalry. Known as a 'Baker Shotgun'. Prior to that, going back into the 1700's you had the 'Howdah Pistol'. Used for safari hunting in Africa. During the Civil War era, many southern soldiers had brought their shotguns from home but because of barrell length, they often cut them down to 14 inches and sometimes shorter. You're welcome. 😁
Southern Cavalry meaning grey wearing traitors?
Did those Southerners bring the sawed-off shotgun to the Old West?
@@transatlanticdylan8229cry harder
I know they used their own shotguns but not that they cut them down. Thanks.
@bigblue6917 they were also popular with the Arizona Rangers, volunteers from the confederate territory of Arizona who fought for the south as far east as the red river campaign in Louisiana. Their favored long gun was a double barrel shotgun loaded with buck and ball.
They tended to keep their barrels long though, unlike cavalry who would trim the barrels as they got dented easily and the shorter length on horseback makes it far more wieldly and maneuverable
“Wyatt Earp hit Curly Bill with both barrels simultaneously and nearly cut him in half”. Not sure who to give props to for that quote but I did hear that
Tom Clavan?
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Thanx for including the shotgun from the museum in Willcox, Arizona in the video.
I want it!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Brazelton could probably arrange that.
I'm not much of a shotgun guy, but I do like my SxS coach gun! Very informative video Santee!
Thank You!
Fun fact the main reasons sonoff shotguns and short-barreled rifles were added to the National Firearms Act is they originally wanted to ban machine guns as well as handguns they thought Midas well ban short barreled rifles and shotguns as well so people don't use it as a loophole with pistols then they removed the pistols from their proposed bill but capped the son of shotguns and short-barreled rifles and then at the very end tacked on suppressors
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This show was a real BLAST! Thank You Santee! DaveyJO In Pennsylvania
I'm getting the feeling this video is turning into a punfeast
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I have an old American brand 12ga shotgun which was the first gun I ever fired, at age 10.It came very close to knocking me down, which would have happened if my dad had not caught me.I fired it as an an adult and it still had quite a kick than is partially absorbed by its substantial weight. I would think with an sawed off scattergun in 12 GA a two hand forward leaning shooting position would be prudent.
Very cool!
I bought a replica coach 12 gauge shotgun years ago after a Texas historian told me about them. Also had my grandfather's long barreled shotgun and a Mossberg pump.
Nice!
Brother Santee, Absolutely love the Old West Sawed-Off Shogun history. Thank you very much. You and Mrs. Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend.
Your Gunslinger Brother. Chubbeth Thunder
Much appreciated.
Nice!!! I have a paintball top break shotgun look alike. It’ll turn some heads especially when loaded with pepper balls!
ooooo!
Pedersoli of Italy still makes "Howdah" style pistols. IIRC, they include being in 12 gauge.
Yep. Percussion, if I recall.
Great prop for the Hollywood bad guys, old as well as new. Great topic.
Thank You!
Thank You again for another educational and informative video on the Old West life. I appreciate all the work you put into trying to bring our history into this world of over-used technology. The sawed-off shotgun was a weapon everyone saw in ANY old or new western film or tv series. Keep up the great videos. And always, Happy Trails To You! 🤠🔫🐎
Very much appreciate that comment!
I might not own a sawed off sxs but I discovered an 1890's dump with also some civil war era suspender clips. But the dump reaches early 1890s to 1930. Most of the stuff is from early 1890- pre 1920. I also found parts to 1890's sxs 32 inch barrel one of the hammers intact, mechanism piece, trigger guard and 1890's shot up bucket and a shot up tin can! But my favorite tiny thing I found so far was a Tole Art Spittoon. Thank you and Deus Vult!
veryc fun
Your videos are over just too soon. I enjoy each and every one of them thank you so much. 🤠
You're welcome.
I need one of these behind the world famous Sipping Den bar.
Yes!! I can see that.
The Sawed-off Shotgun has been and always will be my favorite ... Great job Santee ! !
Thank You!
Cabela’s used to sell a Howdah Pistol. Basically a short barreled shotgun. Hmm, sounds like the history and tradition is to make your own short barrel conversions.
Other companies still make one, I think.
It was nice to get to see a video about this subject. If anything, I remember seeing a western where someone had a sawn off shotgun in a holster on his hip.
You can carry one on each hip in the game Red Dead Redemption 2
yes
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While some version of this formidable weapon have been in use for hundreds of years-from the blunderbuss carried by Captains of merchant ships who were determined not to be boarded-to the trench guns of WWI which, while technically not “sawed-offs” they did fulfill the same function: Bring as much force to bear in a confined space.
Yep!
Hell yeah like the background reminding of old tuscon
You guessed it. That's the place.
@@ArizonaGhostriders very cool, fun spot indeed
Thanks Santee once again another good video this one is about sawed off shotgun barrels. The books I have read by researched authors, mentioned the Wells Fargo messengers used those type shotguns because, close to highwayman, better close range would almost cut person in half caused by both barrels same time. OUCH!!!-Kid Yuma
They were easier to maneuver too.
Thanks for the fun and informative videos.
You are welcome!!
Love em ever since I saw Gator.
Oh yeah!
What a great episode, but, it's a very rainy day out here in Missouri, so, no range day.
Sorry, pal.
This episode is a real blast! Love percussion shotguns!
YOWZA!
My favorite scene in El Dorado is when Alan Badillion Trahern visits the Swede to acquire his scattergun and holster. Think I'll go watch it now...
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That shop I see 5 days a week. Fun times.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I'm jealous. Tell the Swede I said "hello"
another awesome job , loved the shotgun with the holster thank you again
You're welcome
Great video and thank you for the historical information on these old guns.
You're welcome
Thanx for including an explanation of the federal law about short barreled shotguns.
You're welcome. There's more detail, but that's the "Skinny"
Fantastic episode Santee. Really cool to see the originals, especially with that bolstered one. Have a great weekend! Cheers!
Thank You!
Another fine episode, it was blast to watch.
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Great video as always! Another use for shotguns in the old west that I've come across is that the Texas Rangers specifically from the late 1830s through the War for Southern Independence used them to fight Comanche since the shortened barrel was easy to manage on horseback and since shotguns could take out multiple people in one blast and being double barrel you had 2 shot you didn't have to reload, it made them popular among those early Rangers and the Confederate Texas Cavalry units.
Cool!
Fascinating.
Awesome video Santee!!
Thank You!
@ArizonaGhostriders no problem buddy!!
Another great video as always! Glad to know sawed-off were historically accurate. This video really brighten my day as I head to work keep up the amazing work!
Thank You!
Gotta love a sawed off shotgun - they're always super powerful in video games
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I never really thought about this one. I’ll have to keep my eyes open for one on display during our travels. Great video Santee!
Thank You!
I have a 1906 riverside 16ga hammer gun that i use in S.A.S.S matches and i love it and its a coach gun as well ... As always another great video and I'll be looking forward to seeing the next one... As always God Bless and be Safe ...
Don E. aka JDHawkins in Denver Colorado
Thank You!
Who here remembers when newt pulled out his sawed off shotgun in the first episode of Lonesome dove the outlaw years.
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Very informative video. Thank you pard
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm curious how common paper cartridges were in the old west, given how many people were coming in from all over the country who may have brought older weapons with them
I happen to have a video about that!
Great video Santee
Much appreciated, Led.
"Yeah, they sent the tax man, I lost my job and you got hooked on Oxycodone. They shut the lights off, they took the car and I bought a sawed off shotgun"
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This was great, thanks!
You're welcome
Hi santee thanks for dropping by really appreciate it here showing our love have a awesome week btw a great upload as always 👍
Thank you too
Hey thank you sir great info and vidio have a great week
You too!
Good morning Arizona Ghost Riders. Definitely enjoyed this episode. Your friend Ted from Texas. Stay safe and always do your ABCs
Thanks, you too!
You know somethin'? I really love your episodes. So much, I really wish they were bout twice as long.
Thank You!
Yes ! Sawed offs...and goats
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Great Video, Santee - as always! Greetings from Germany.
Thank You!
Very cool Santee. Thanks and G’day from the land down under
You're welcome!
Love it!
Thank You!
Haha, I’ve spent sooooo much time in Valentine that I recognized that saloon piano in the beginning immediately 😅
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And I was just contemplating sawing off my mossberg but have now decided to go ahead and buy a 20” barrel instead.
Great video as usual Santee!!
Thank You! 🤠
Keep up the good work !!!!!
Thanks, will do!
Something that's forgotten is that they were technically less powerful, note that I said technically because they're still, y'know, hand cannons but it's a neat tidbit.
The reason is that due to the shorter barrel there is less energy, same reason that a cartridge going off on its own is less dangerous or why black powder burns, not exploded
A little less velocity but just as deadly at close range.
boy there is a ghost who is in BIG trouble lol btw always enjoy your videos
Thanks for watching!
Santee,
Good mornin' from Kentucky. Great episode, I really got a bang out of this one. 🤠
JT
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I love my riot gun, it is so handy. They used to rechoke the sawed off by sticking one barrel inside a wheel hub.
Interesting!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Yeah I was surprised when my grandfather told me. He had been a Blacksmith in the early 20th Century. He fixed several damaged barrels that way after trimming them. I think they wound up modified or full depending on the hub
Another fantastic video Santee. I have a percussion cap shotgun for the western shows I do
Cool!
Interesting stuff!
Glad you think so!
Great video!
Thank You!
Good chance a sawed off shotty from the 1800s has punched some peoples final time cards.
Oh yes.
Cool video Santee!
Yeehaw! 🤠
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Something I didn’t know awesome video santee
I appreciate it, Rob!
Nice 👍
Thank You!
Some fun history!
"They used to cut them down. "... still do, some folks in the south don't care about the law. I went the legal route and got a Shockwave and bond arms derringer. Fun toys!
Not just the south I'm sure.
You touched on a common misconception- The spread doesn’t widen when you saw it off. (It would effect the force/distance though).
Yup!
I just saw this video. Many years ago I was told that railroad companies issued sawed-off shotguns to their railroad police to keep hobos off the rail cars. The shells were filled with rock salt or salt peter. Anyone heard of this?
Early on express guards had guns (maybe shotguns) but they weren't issued to them by the railroads. They worked for the express companies.
Good one, Santee!
Thanks!
I always thought the sawed off shotgun to be a protable version of the double barrel shotgun, there's just something cool about holding it with one hand like a normal revolver or just having it in a holster.
Punishing to shoot with one hand.
Thanks
You're welcome
I always loved the recoil from Mississippi's shotgun.
Yeah, pretty funny.
Another great episode Santee! Always enjoyed using it in RDR2.
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Another cool video, with the audio-visual, perfect compatibility... Hey, if it's good enough for The Duke, what more is there to say? Thanks much, Santee.
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You are very welcome
I own and use several. Really like them when looking for wounded bears in the bush.
Wow!
I have used a muzzleloading sawed-off shotgun as a Confederate Guerrilla a few times during living history events. 2 loud booms and a lot of smoke. Can you do a video on the 1872 Open Top Colt?
Yes!
After my knowledge shorter barreled shotguns spread a bit more!
YES!
Bill Brazelton that sneaky, wily old outlaw, he just wants to conceal what he has to protect you. You gotta remember it's not a collector item to him, it's just a item of choice from his time whippersnaper😅 . I loved how when Mississippi shot his gun he almost always fell over.
HA! Fun stuff.
1:37 A "rabbit-ear" boxlock. Don't see too many of those. They're usually either "rabbit-ear" sidelocks or hammerless boxlocks.
2:22 They skimped on the reload animation. Should be two different reload animations depending on whether one or both rounds have been fired. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl does it right.
2:59 That one's extra-short. Looks like the hammers aren't cocked. Also, it looks a lot like the custom jobber from 'Desperado'.
That's a Hollywood special. Probably been used in a number of films. Many of the guns we know and love have "been around"
Short and sweet. =)
Thank You!
Great toys
Yes
We called them scatter guns
Another word for them, yes.
Hi Santee, I like my coach gun. Being short it fit right in for the guard on the stagecoach. I think that maybe we're the phrase"riding shoot-gun" came from. Great episode Santee thank you Sir.
You're welcome.
Thanks Santee! I just might have to get a black powder one.
Cool!