Armoured steam locomotive WWII
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- Exerpt of the John Frankenheimer film "The Train" with Burt Lancaster eo. .... I do not own this work, nor do I seek any recognition for it ... it is just for the fun of steamtrains
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This 1964 Film was one of my Favorites, It not only had a great cast of different actors from the U.S. and France but it was suspenseful and kept you on your seat practically in every scenario. I Loved it when the Spitfire chased the locomotive into the tunnel.
I think an armored combat train just looks so badass. Why can't we have something like that nowadays?
Panzerfaust.
The modern RPG will kill the armored train easily, you can not get enough armor on it. Stuff like bar armor or reactive do not work well either due to width restrictions etc. Weight is also limited since in (western) europe an axel load below 16 metric tons should be the target.
When the trains where developed and employed those weapons did not exist or where not in service with the oposing forces.
as cool of an idea as it is, sadly it's too expensive and unreliable to create feasibly :(
its cool but
if you cut the tracks/rails its useless
1. Tracks are the weakest link
2. Trains are used for transporting massive amounts of military goods not combat
3. Say #2 again but louder
I watched this film on a wet Saturday afternoon when i was 13 i think and i am now 60 and its still one of my top ten films.
"Le Train", I regard this as one of the best movies from the 50s.
Not only for the drama, the starring and suspense, but also, from a standpoint of an train enthusiast, the high accuracy of the railway environment shown.
We know that film makers, didn't take accuracy all too serious, and often still don't, as most people wouldn't notice an American locomotive in a movie situated in the UK for instance.
But in this movie, everything is actually been shot in France, on the French railways with proper French locomotives for the period and place where the story is suposed to be happening.
Also, all of the action scenes are real, with stuntmen, no trickery with models in this movie.
Even the scene with the big train collision is real, they used locomotives which were destined to be scrapped soon anyway.
Only point of criticism could be the manner in which railway operations were conducted in this clip, in real life it would be an accident waiting to happen.
No point of having so may people walking in front and between moving trains without a real purpose, and throwing points just in time in front of a moving train is absolutely no normal practice, and wasn't so in war conditions.
1964 not 50s
Funny how you say "most people wouldn't notice an American locomotive in a movie situated in the UK" Now I know this is in France and most locomotives that play a main role are french I think I see some German loco's in the background which is also fine considering they've captured France.
However they're is one locomotive in this scene which shouldn't be there. At 4:19 you can spot a USATC S100 class (better known as the USA dock tanks) on the track next to the reversing armored train. These loco's are from WW2 but where used by the allies and as part of the Marshall plan after the war. So one being in captured France isn't exactly right.
I know it's a small detail that really doesn't matter and I'm probably the only one who's noticed it. But I couldn't help but point it out.
@@TOAD69500 That's noticed well, I didn't spot it.
But indeed, the S100 couldn't be earlier than after given areas were recaptured by the allies.
I feel sad seeing the trains being destroyed in this film.
Burt Lancaster has always been one of my favorite actors and this film was great!! Talk about realism.........he was a Badazz!!
Made twenty years after the period it depicts, "John Frankenheimer's The Train" was filmed at a time when French Railways were disposing of thousands of obsolescent steam locomotives and simultaneously modernising many of their networks. The 'armoured train' shown in this video was an underpowered film prop, and its 'armour' was plywood. Although superficially resembling one of the many designs of such locomotives used in the Second World War, the story and vehicles used in this feature film were only 'based on' events which actually occurred in 1944, since many details were changed to strengthen the storyline, simplify the dynamics of the characters, and suit the many demands of Burt Lancaster, whose career was then going through a difficult period and who desperately needed a 'hit' to recover his power in Hollywood. Frankenheimer was brought in to replace Arthur Penn after only three days of production because the latter wanted to make a more 'intellectual' movie while Lancaster wanted to showcase his talents as an 'action hero' and to use a Director who was able to assemble large action sequences which would please mass audiences. In his twilight years, Frankenheimer provided a Directors's Commentary for a DVD re-release of the film, and this is worth hearing. 'The Train' is often regarded as the last of the great monochrome feature films, and is always worth revisiting.
A brilliant film a proper classic film 👍🚂😎
Indeed a great film, one of the best in my view of all WW2 action films-- if you are ever in Northern France and want to visit many of the locations, then central to the production was Acquigny, a small town maybe 25 kilometres down the N154 from Rouen. On the south side there is the old railway station 'Rive Reine' in the film, next to it is the Hotel [now a private house] where Lancaster sneaked out and made the call to activate the deception, and later hid in the cellar from the Germans and got very cosy with Jeanne Moreau. The train crash took place close to the station and the level crossing site is still there. Just north of Acquigny is the foot bridge over the river were Lancaster was shot by the guards on the train. There is plenty of parking next to the closed down station, just walk around and take in the atmosphere.
Great acting... prop man did a great job too
ONE OF THE BEST TRAIN MOVIE GREAT BURT LANCASTER
Super vieux film!! Avec plein de grands comédiens!! Amitié, Stéph.
So much better than unstoppable no CG used old equipment going to scrap I believe that locomotive is now in a museum along with some other german armored train equipment .
That’s a scene from THE TRAIN (1965), one of my favorite World War II epic movies, and it starred Burt Lancaster, Paul Scofield, Michel Simon, and Jeanne Moreau. Kids, this is how movies were made back then. Enjoy this one.
yo made a typo it’s 1964
Still one of my top 10. Danger, deception, action, despair, art, war, greed ......................... and the Train ............. presented with the added drama only provided by Black and White film. As of 2007 you could still travel this route as an overnight from Paris to Frankfurt, but I was in a rush and took the Thalys instead. Maybe next time.
That was so cool. Thank You.
WELL DONE AND DEEPLY APPRECIATED
As others have posted, this is a top notch movie. Director John Frankenheimer was famous for those "in your face" camera angles. Star Burt Lancaster performed his own stunts also.
And sprained his knee golfing. Which is why he had to get shot by the Nazis.
@@Cryptonymicus Yeah I read that somewhere. And I always wondered if they had to add the "shooting" scene into the script because he had sprained the ankle, how the hell he ran as well as he did onto that bridge, just before the shooting scene took place! LOL
One of the most grotesque looking things to run on rails.
I think this is one ofthe the top ten waron movies ever made
A damn good movie!!
Dammmnnn! That was a GREAT movie!
This is a great film.
Great video!
The Train, great film.
The armour does not matter. Its enough to blow up the tracks.
Amazes me that some of these came up missing at the end of the war.
Burt Lancaster and trains. What more can you ask for?
Classic. They Don’t make them like this anymore.
Excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.
Thank you!
Did anybody else’s adrenaline get going towards the end of the clip? Or was it just me.
That armored train looks like a mock-up of the breitspurbahn
Frankenheimer, great director, watch 'Ronin'
The story I read about the movie "The Train" was France was about to scrap rail steam equipment when this movie was filmed. So, the producers asked to use the equipment and permit its destruction, as seen in the movie. So this is why there is plenty of rail carnage in the movie. I believe most rail in France today is electrified?
The locomotive and such were very old and expendable. Steam was still in use in France for another 5-10 years.
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Lost count how many times watched this movie. Even though all the rollin stock , locomotives were expendable, it wasn't limitless. That derailment scene later in the film, was done in 1 take.
Great film!
It should be mandatory for all film buffs to watch this film at least once a year
One of the best war films ever made. A must see B4 you die pic.
Ever since I saw the mini trailer for this movie at the end of PENTREX'S SANTA FE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION SPECIAL I've always wanted to see the full movie someday and was lucky enough to record the whole movie off Tuner Classic Movies during the fall of 2007.
excellent film
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The locomotive is armoured,but the driver/engineer is with head outside.....
A great movie.
The whole movie was very good no CG they were scrapping all that old equipment the collision scene was really good too and they were worth no less after being destroyed I always wondered if that was a real war train in this scene ?? They did use wood models or it in the air attack of it but does this unit still exist ??
little easter egg. at 4:21 there's a M24 chaffee light tank with German markings and bushes
Filmed right at the end of the steam era in France, so all the equipment is the real deal.
4:17 THEY SCREWED UP
My train when there's a zombie apocalypse:
The Train above is the Nazi German BP-44 type (oftern modernized modernized from the Bp 41 and 42 types each number indicating the year they were implemented) captured intact by Free French forces in 1944 or 45 i think. They even used it themselves for about 6 months mostly for transportation. I mean who wouldn;t use a free heavily armored ride with artilery? The western allies had few armored trains in Europe and the few they did mostly were returned to normal use after it became clear the sabotage by partisans and air attack by the depleted luftwaffe where of limited concern. Even on the Eastern Front where use of armored trains by both sides was much heavier it was usually the air attack that destroyed them in the Soviet case and partisan sabotoage in the Axis case. The Fact that there where not signifactly more PanzerZug operating on the Axis controlled rail lines is no small part of the reason why they had so much trouble with partisans. They simply had too much rail road to cover for the number of trains they had. Partisans could derail and thus imobilize an armored train but most simply did not have the resources to contemplate either their use, capture or even permanent destruction. Though there is a few examples of both happening to axis armoured trains. One particularly unlucky Axis armored train got derailed 6 seperate times when the local partisan forces took a particualr disliking to it. but in each case it was put back into operation, which rather ironically demonstrated their resilience.
A polish account from 1920's fighting mostly against against bolshevik (russian and others) armoured trains really demonstates their effectiveness at the time: "In the recent battles, armored trains were the most serious and terrible adversaries. they are well-designed, act shockingly, desperately and decisively, have large amounts of firepower and are the most serious means of our enemies tactics. our infantry are powerless against enemy armoured trains". Armored Trains by Steven J Zaloga. Even in ww1 The war on the eastern front was always a different beast. roads of good quality outside of cities are typically non existent or of limited worth for strategic and rapid military movement. Often large areas of open flat terrain made the use of armored trains even more decisive as there was rarely any decent cover from their guns or enemy observation. thus the barttles were much more mobile and thus the armored train played a vital role as a shock unit, the same way tanks are typically used now.
The role of trains in war, carrying troops and supplied across large distances and armouring of them against attack and then inevitably putting guns on them is woefully under studied in both miltary history generally and the development of Armoured Fighting Vehicles specifically. Armoured trains will remain relevant as long as railway networks are threatened by partisan or other irregular forces. it really annoys me that this is so misunderstood and that people just laugh at armored trains as antiquated and obsolete, the fact that they have been deployed by Russia in ukraine is just laughed as as another "russia bad lol" instread of acknowledging the fact they are used in a very specific role, that of protecting the rail network from sabaotage and protecting the enginners when repairing those tracks. Sure they don't belong on the modern front line battlefield but that not what they were used for in most conflicts anyway, including by Russia in Ukraine 2022.
Even as far back as the American civil war, the first war that employed railroads as part of a large strategic asset you see the use of armed and armoured trains to protect Union rail workers against Confederate saboteurs and snipers tryign to stop them from repairing said tracks. This is largely the role they have played since then, in ww 1 and 2 they saw use as mobile protected artillery batteries and guarisons, but for the most part they role they play has been protecting rail lies and supporting other ground forces. They patrol the rail lines, protect non-armoured and civilian rail traffic. Act as a heavily armed mobile fortress guarrison that can rapidly bring both its own armaments and troops to bear against distant beseigers and support attacks along rail lines. When Winston Churchill made his famous "armored trains are stupid" remark during the Anglo Baor War he ignored the fact that same train was able to push past a boulder that had been placed to block its retreat, AFTER it was surrounded by Boar Commandos including 2 field artillery peices for about an hour. the train has damaged andd casualties ensues but the derailed train car was simply uncoupled and the the locomotive pushed the boulder blockling its retreat aside. Winston and 50 other british soldiers were captured during that action, which is probably why he was so salty.
it is worth remembering that at this point (the above quote) both air power and tanks where not in much use yet especially in that part of the world. Also roads were typically of poor to non existant quality. this made the use of motorized vehicles and movement of heavy artillery capable of seriously damaging a Armored Train outside of rail networks, even when available difficult if not impossible. thus the armored trains were literally the only thing that could carry both significant firepower and protection over any distance. essentially they were literal land battleships including their own version of marine infantry, that would disembark to protect a train from being surrounded and extend the range at which a train could engage the enemy. the infatry could count on the firepower of the armored train for cover and the train depended on the infantry to protect against close attack by the enemy infantry or cavalry.
even more important, major strategic targets (eg cities) typically grew up around rail hubs and along rail lines not the other way around, which further solidified the value of armored trains both as independent forces but typically operating in support of a combined arms attack. they also had great value as mobile defence, being able to rapidly change positons to bring both troops and heavy firepower to a besieged positon. this last quality was especially valuable during operations in colonies where railroads where usually the only method of long range transport and thus immedalty targeted by any kind of guerilla uprising, who by paralysing rail traffic they could set the terms of engagement.
In ww 1 and 2 the Wehrmacht found that by generally ignoring the development of armoured trains unlike almost every other colonial power it had made a huge error especially in places where the roads (or lack thereoff) favoured the use of them. in fact the irony is that Germany was the only country to essentially ignore armored trains right up until ww1. there they found out the hard way during fighting on the eastern front, This included the overwhelming majority of the eastern European countries but most especially Russia. Armored trains could bring a huge amount of well protected firepower to bear across distances that nothing else could come close to even in the rare event roads of good quality where available. Basically in most cases it was the equivalent of you not having a navy while the other guy did.
In several tank vs Armored train battles during the Invasion of Poliand in 1934 the Nazi tanks always lost. they simply did have have sufficient armour or guns of enough power to pierce the monsters hides, and even when damage could be done, the multi-car and thus compartmentalized nature of armored trains made such damage usually a minor issue. Even in case of severe damage, an armored train car could be disconnected from the rest of the train and left behind. also artillery of suffecient power typcally could not bre brought to bear quickly enough to catch the armored trains and prevent them from escaping. Thios same issue was found to be made even worse during Operation Barberossohwre the huge distances and poor road conditions where the norm. and despite what most will tell you, most armored trains lost during ww2 where killed by air attack or artillery, not in ground engagements or even derailing by partisans.
Facts bro. Also the fact that they can now have better anti air weapons and also the fact that Armoured trains have crews that can repair the tracks. Besides immobilzing the train by destroying tracks won't do good as the train is still an armed Behemoth left alive. That is unless people are stupid enough to get out of the train and lose faith in thier Behemoth like Churchill did after it was immobilzed
@4:22 That's a USATC S100 on the left there! Did France actually get any before falling to Germans? @5:43 And that, on the left, looks to be a 141R, definitely post-war...
Classic movie
@0:59 On the right looks to be a post-war 141R!
Wish this amoured locomotive was preserved, but it was probably unwanted during filming, hence why they just blew it up
The 2 tanks loaded on a train-car are American M22 Chaffees.
The enemy is being reinforced with an armoured train
My space
The switch was jammed
By the French railway workers.
La Bataille du Rail - Le train grue (141 C 133)
Good movie,
Thomas the Tank Engine goes to war.
Redneck322 DONT make memes about wars
MrTop5 too late.
Technically speaking Thomas bigger prussian cousin G10 the tender locomotive. The germans used BR 57.10 aka prussian G10 as armored locomotives for their Panzerzüge. The G10 was mass produced, resonably close to later Einheitsloks in construction ( Dr. Ing. Wagner based them on the late Prussian designs ) but no longer "prime movers" since BR50 or 52 where more powerful/faster but equaly or sometimes more flexible
Wow. Germans know how to build.
Federal Signal Model 5 civil defense siren on attack mode near the end of this video
Exerpt of the John Frankenheimer film "The Train" with Burt Lancaster eo. .... I do not own this work, nor do I seek any recognition for it ... it is just for the fun of steamtrains. Ha Ha, and a breach of copyright!
But Where did that came from did a 14xx put a van With Lots of Bonbs In side i don,t even know
great movie though
lookat 3.32 modern cars in background
3:32
Burt Lancaster is excellent in this movie (phenomenal actor)
Poor Poppa Bull
at 3.20 modern cars on the left.....!
3:20 a lot of moder car left to the station
Ivan KOVAL Right...modern cars from 50's and 60's..!
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Perhaps with Marty and Doc also @ the scene.....
Looks familiar. Seen this movie, but can't remember the title.
The movie is called : "The Train" ...
3.27, cars on the left look pretty modern.
I may be wrong but I think the white one may be a Peugeot 404.
@@cccenturion4480 You could be right there.
why the people in the armored train running there in a thing suppossed to survive bombs
this is from the movie "Le train" and not legit footage if that what ur saying
Armoured train, silly idea, great movie though.
ITS DA PANZERZUG !!!
You calls that a panzerzug
why no audio ?
is this a movie
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Battlefield One in real life
Movie name please???
Would armored trains still be good weapons in modern combat ?
No. Modern strategic concepts no longer involve occupying enemy land masses and using their railways.
Well today still a few countries have one of those but I think not
Rich Eaton my thought was simply for civilian locos in a war torn country to be used to continue to haul supplies not full on combat
The Russians during the Soviet years had trains which carried atomic warhead missiles. I remember we also at least built such a train (s) but the end of the cold war ended that idea.
@@iworkout6912 Different concept. The rail mobile ICBM operated in friendly territory and where there to hide the missile position / give a land based second strike option. Similar to road mobile MRBM like Pershing 2 or SS20. They where not armored or armed
The armored trains here operated in unsafe or semi-safe territory and actively engaged enemy forces with direct and indirect fire weapons. They also carried infantry and even tanks or armored cars
Look at 3:25 on the upper left and see the cars from the 1960's!
That was a mistake during filming; most people, however, won't notice it.
Yeah there's a radio tower w/microwave antennas above the building where the cars are parked! Lol. Still a damn good movie tho!
Many movies have background mistakes. I don't look for them when watching a good movie, just enjoy the story. Like some of the 40's cowboy movies, you could see the tire tracks of the camera truck on the supposedly 1880's dirt road..
Spoiler alert:- Should have taken all the modern cars out of the car park (3:20)
Horrifying.
Что за фильм?
That's from a movie called the train
The only thing wrong with armored trains is the tracks ! They can not be armored. If I was trying to stop an armored train,I would blow up the tracks !
The steam is released or the engine below up wicth one you want the German soldie blow up diver ok 🙂💥
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I want my wife from Poland,wartor warsaw
#panzerzug
WRONG TITLE. No likes. Good movie.
Is this a propaganda film or worth seeing? I'm 100% pro German. Frankenheimer's Ronin is in my top three films.
Felice Graziano I have seen it in the past, and it was a good movie if you like trains. No propaganda, just action.
If you are pro-WWII Nazis you won't like the film since it's all about the Nazis looting the museums of Paris, and, like in the war, the Allies win in the end.
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Disgusting! Why are the talking english? Fake film?
it is a movie... if it was in Thai would that help? or would it still be fake?
...it is an excellent film; highly recommended!
ApiaristicOne I saw it about 50 times since 1998
Agreed, this is an excellent WW2 movie.
I feel sad about all the locomotives and rolling stock that were destroyed during the making of this film.
@@Cool2BCeltic Yeah but they were all going to be scrapped shortly anyway. The railway shop was going to be demolished and catenary was to be erected soon.
great what film was it
The train.. an inspiration for me to make a Men of War cinematic game. RUclips.
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Sehr Intteressant !
Look at 3:21 and tell me those are period vehicles in the parking lot in the background lol. As advanced as the Germans were I don't think they had microwave towers that are also in the back ground. Still a good movie.
Those were light towers for the yard .
Modern cars for sure. Still the best train movie ever made.
Good spot, fella.
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I recognize one of the cars as a Delorean............
@@Joop.23-2-63 They had a stock of flux capacitors.
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A continuity mistake: when the pipe first fell on the chair, there were ashes that fell out. When they cut back to the chair, there are no ashes. By-the-bye, armored trains were used in WWI and the American civil war.
Of course they would have brushed them away when they picked up the pipe to wedge it under the switch; otherwise it would have been a giveaway that they had moved the pipe. You can fool Frankenheimer, but not that easily...
J.L. Williams No. The whole pipe was still on the chair. This was before they picked it up to wedge it into the control lever
Armoured trains were used in the Boer war as well.
I thought they swapped pipes...