Love your content. I'm new to sabering but have been watching your channel for quite a bit of time. I think it would help beginners like me if you released more shii-cho tutorial videos and teach us how to pull our different forms together
and today joined a new one too i love your tutorials very learnfull for beginner like me good explained and showed....all i learn here i pass trough too my son when we practice togheter :) defenitly keep following your teachings
ty for this instruction master nonymous. i have just started learning the saber with space city sabers in houson and it was incredibly fun. my questions are as follows. first, is this similar or on par with the ludosport guys approach or was this what you have gleaned from the movies? second, it was very difficult to discern the difference between the shiim and the shiak. granted im a noob but they both looked very much the same to me. can you explain more in depth? is one more of a lunging strike or is one supposed to be more directed at the head/body. third what kind of situation would you use the dewback rider stance in? seems great as maybe a transition stance or when changing directions but it seems it would put you offbalance should your opponent lunge at you. and lastly how would you incorporate all of this into drills/exercises? i work on a boat for 3 weeks at a time and want to use my saber training as a way for exercise (since it would hold my interest and keep me motivated) and at the same time refine my skills to eventually participate in improvised battles similar to the ludosport guys. thanks for all you do the promote and expand the sport and play of lightsabers! i greatly appreciate your efforts
Dear 'Mace-'Windu I was wondering if you'd promise to deliver the mortal kombat shaolin monks 2005 characters to 1210 n.w 12th court in Roosevelt gardens ft,Lauderdale Florida 33311.
please help this guy and i have lightsaber duels and he always goes for my legs but the zone 5 and 6 block does not help as he swings at my legs from the side. how do i counter this?
Yep, prepare and think ahead, you know he will do it... That gives you the edge. But plan for a defense or push after words. Just in case. Rater then back up, step forward and to the opposite side while turning your body on your dominant foot towards him and bring the blade down or at his side. Speed.
All very fine work, and I love how you seem to be adapting HEMA and the like into the Legends material. One question, though, with that crouching guard, were you supposed to be ducking your head and looking at your feet? Because that's a big no-no haha ;P
I just recently got into lightsabers, so please excuse my noob questions :D 1: I see where you are coming from with putting energy into the sai/cho strikes, but aren't you opening yourself up to a counter like that? I imagine that shiim or shiak would work well while your blade is behind your back. It would require great timing though. 2: Against what kind of strikes do I use the drop parries? Wouldn't a slightly modified version of the parry from the middle guard be faster and allow for better countering? 3: What kind of systems have you combined? I feel like I spotted some Kendo and some Montante-like stuff. This is really cool. Subbed!
1. The sword forms we learn in my Taekwondo school have us actually touch our back with the katana, in order to generate any sort of power. Keeping the blade close also lowers the lever arm, which is important with a heavy metal weapon. However, as lightsabers cutting power is largely independent of the strength of the strike, I think striking from the high guard (which I've seen in other Shii-cho videos) would provide a similar approach, but the high guard position is closer to the target. There's also less risk of touching yourself in the back with your lightsaber. 2. I believe that it's more about which guard you're in, and how you plan to follow through. From low guard I can see the drop parry being used, but especially from high guard. It also depends on how you follow-through. If you follow through with a sai or cho strike, then you would be in a good position from the drop parry. I'm going to add question 4. to the list: what about a down block? We use it in our basic katana training, and I've seen it in other Shii-Cho videos. The idea is a straight 45-degree downward block, which should especially protect yourself on Zone 6.
+Megan Troyer Retreating is basically impossible pushing off the front foot for me - fencing sticks to one primary leg (you can tell a fencer because they have one thigh muscle slightly larger than the other) for both advance and retreat.
Hey, Headmaster Nero here, I'm the fencer among these TPLA guys! Just wanted to pop in and mention that the Hutt Slide is essentially the same as your basic advance and retreat in fencing. Front toes come up, then the heel moves, with the back foot following suit as the heel lands. Retreat is the opposite, back toes reach out and the front foot comes up as the back foot lands completely. Unless I'm mistaken, you are probably doing it right!
@terra prime light armoury why do you do dewback rider someone could kick you and here's other thing i can understand the kneeling stance but it bit weird and those stance could get you killed I am just speaking of practicality but I am not martial artist that's done swordmenship
Hey, I'm trying to learn everything you have on this chanel about Soresu. I was wondering if I need to try and learn anything from Shii-Cho or Makashi to help my learning.
Intending no offense, but may I presume to offer a constructive (I hope) criticism. I study Italian longsword on and off and my biggest complaint is with the zone 1 parry in that it is completely horizontal. This would put you into a strength contest with your opponent, which you may not always win. It would be better to protect the head with the drop parry(what we call a hanging parry) where gravity would cause your opponent's blade to slide along your blade down and away from your body.
Thank you, Actually, The parry is not horizontal. It does dip down toward the side the parry is on. But, this parry will be almost impossible to perform without the blade dropping down and the attack sliding off to the side. The reason it may look more horizontal is that the blade portion must be over the head in the zone one parry where as the drop parries are to the flank or side of zone one offering little to no protection from the downward strike to the head. Basically, physics dictates that the strike will slide off to the side that the blade points. DN
I cant do all of these since i use a light pike with a slightly shortened blade and a very long handle, should just do what i can and slightly improvise on what i can't? (like when the hilt is very close to the body.)
It is a traditional japanese fighting technique with the use of a 'pike' or a "Naginata' Look up forms for this style of art and see if you can adapt and even develop and some new Yari Pike techniques.
Omengello, I am a left-handed fighter with a primary left-handed stance.anything that is taught as right-handed can simply be mirrored as left. If you look at the zones in the beginning, he tried to label things as hand neutral.
do you teach all the 7 forms of light saber combat ?and do you show them here on you tube too ? i find you tube the best learning school better than a book to teach from :) greetings
Hey ,Darth Nonymous!I was wondering if I could train in a certain form without mastering shii-cho? I mean just understand the form and know the moves and how to do them but ,like, maybe can do them clumsily?On an unrelated note, why do learners in exile have to be older than 18? Just wondering, I mean I'll turn 18 next March anyway, but the question's bugging me.Thanks in advanced!
Only if you want power. Many times I have speedily broken my opponent's defense by flicking the sword from the middle position, but it does little damage and is usually followed by striking again pulling back for power. Also, it is good practice because when your adrenaline is running, your moves tend to get shorter and more compact, so pulling all the way back could turn into pulling slightly back to get the best angle and striking quickly without opening yourself.
That first response was typed before I got to the strike part of the video. What he is doing is called a clear or a check. Imagine that motion as moving the enemy's saber tot he side. You open yourself but you are also forcing an opening for your opponent while also getting in position for a strike.
I find it really interesting that you've developped this into a form of fencing, I mean it. I'd love to know where you got the foundation from. Especially the guards look a lot like clumsy (I don't mean that in a condescending way) Kendo guards (Jodan, Chudan and Gedan no kamae). Same for the strikes, especially the Shiim (i think that's what it was called) is basically a Tsuki in Kendo, except that you stretch your arms entirely, whereas in kendo you keep them a little bent and use your body more. I'd really like to know your background and what you chose as base to develop your styles.
Thank you! My background is in Chinese weaponry. I dabble a bit with HEMA stuff here and there because they have more sparring in their sport. The premise we are going on is that martial arts and weapon arts are more alike than they are similar. Our system is developed by training basics and adding complexity from there. Happy sabering! DN
TPLA:Terra Prime Light Armory (Lightsaber Academy) Thanks for the response! So honestly no Kendo? Surprising, really. Every guard you've shown exists in Kendo, with the exception of details (such as in your first and second guard, in kendo you point the tip of the blade at the opponent's knee, or his throat respectively). Your high guard is the exact equivalent of a jodan no kamae in kendo and your jedi guard (not sure if you called it that) looks exactly like a hasso no kamae. I know for a fact that Kendo was a basis for the choreographies in the movies, so I assumed you did the same. Anyway, really interesting, I shall watch more of your videos.
Nope, no kendo. We have some instructors in our ranks that do Kenjustu though, so I am familiar a bit with the basic mechanics of Japanese swordplay. But truthfully, those guards are found in almost every two handed sword system. You would be hard pressed to find a system that does NOT have these three guards. Hence, their inclusion in the base material. And a good example of where we are going with this. Our material has influences and applications from many real world sword styles. We tend to be less on the sporting end of it although one of our Headmasters is a Fencing coach so there is a bit of influence. DN
Your travel path confuses me a little bit. do you cut *away from the leg, or with the blade? I've been practicing where (I'm right handed) when I cut to the left, my right foot moves forward, and vice versa. is that correct? I usually keep the blade at the rear of my stance, but some HEMA stances have the blade as the lead (such as in Foolishness Guard). it's really difficult to learn this stuff from videos alone.
I also have the issue that on the very last cut of the first velocity, after the Sarlaac sweep, I cut *towards my forward leg, unlike the entire rest of the movements. I'm not sure where I'm going wrong there either.
Generally, with Sai, you need to swing toward the rear leg and open hips to do a proper follow through. With Cho, you can go to either hip forward or rear. With the SS, both legs can be forward as you can do it while stationary. The issues will be with timing and number of steps usually. Just be sure to keep the weapon in front of you while advancing. DN
Well, remember this is training, not sparring. Think of it as intimedient moves in most forms of martial arts. You use them during patten and drill work, but not during sparring. The loop around the head on the Sai and Cho strikes is tecnicly a parry leading into a reposte, just something else to consider.
You fight how you train. I realize this a perversion of various methods of sword fighting but even a perversion should not completely lose it's grasp at reality. Your statement would seem to indicate you have had some training. From the little I can glean from your statement whomever trained you did you a dis-service and set you up to ingrain a lot of bad habits.
AKlover "ingrain bad habits"? I don't think so. I questioned the "middle" moves myself when I first started and had the explained. As stated, they are for patten work, formalities, not fighting. There's a saying in Taekwondo "Everything up to black belt is the tutorial, after that you're ready to learn true Taekwondo." This is the art I study, just for the record. I've not even got to sparring level yet (next belt) but I've watched the sparing classes and their isn't any intimediete moves shown at all. They're a training aid, nothing more. Plus, as stated, the "wind up" to both the Sai and Cho is in fact a parry of a strike going for your sholder followed by a counter strike. I'll admit the Sai is a little overswing-ey when done formally in Dulon (patten) and single person drills, but you don't do that when using it in both two person drills and sparring. It's a training aid to ingrain the differance between a full power slash, a slightly less powerful chop and a quick cut.
Maybe I just don't know what to look for - but I just can't see the difference beween Shiim and Shiak. The description mentions either the tip or the hilt being "still" but in both cases they move, so that isn't helpful. Please help?
Since light saber combat was based off of kendo i understand the kendo comments but my main gripe is that your videos need talking. The music made it hard to consentrate.
Love your content. I'm new to sabering but have been watching your channel for quite a bit of time. I think it would help beginners like me if you released more shii-cho tutorial videos and teach us how to pull our different forms together
+Jimbob Joe im not 100% sure but i do believe they discuss this in a TPLA live video
and there is i think 8 different videos covering Shii-cho
This is great! It reminds me a lot of the techniques used in my Korean sword class, but with more fencing-like stances.
Awesome! You've deserved a new subscriber ;)
This video has helped me fix some mistakes in my form
and today joined a new one too i love your tutorials very learnfull for beginner like me good explained and showed....all i learn here i pass trough too my son when we practice togheter :) defenitly keep following your teachings
Thank you! I've been searching for days for something like this.
If I could just get this down perfectly....just need practice. Thank you, Master Nonymous!!
where is this academy of lightsabers at
Ann Arbor Michigan. It's near Detroit where I'm from and visit every year and still I have somehow never been :(
One of the most informative videos in the shortest time thank you
Thanks for putting this video up,It helped answer a few questions that I had . keep up the good work.
Patience, practice and perseverance .
Best video so far
Heh, and here after a full year of training myself in Shii-Cho, I thought I had it down. Thanks for the post ^_^
8:39-end O_0 when the fierfek do I get to learn that? lol Very instructive. Thank you.
Ty for sharing.. This was very helpful
would love to learn that demo form you did at the end of the video
The stances remind me of my karate days
Thank goodness for this Video it helped me with my Cho strikes immensely
TPLA:Terra Prime Light Armory can you do video on how you apply dewback rider and the kneeling stance me and friend said not good stance
Awesome !
ty for this instruction master nonymous. i have just started learning the saber with space city sabers in houson and it was incredibly fun.
my questions are as follows.
first, is this similar or on par with the ludosport guys approach or was this what you have gleaned from the movies?
second, it was very difficult to discern the difference between the shiim and the shiak. granted im a noob but they both looked very much the same to me. can you explain more in depth? is one more of a lunging strike or is one supposed to be more directed at the head/body.
third what kind of situation would you use the dewback rider stance in? seems great as maybe a transition stance or when changing directions but it seems it would put you offbalance should your opponent lunge at you.
and lastly how would you incorporate all of this into drills/exercises? i work on a boat for 3 weeks at a time and want to use my saber training as a way for exercise (since it would hold my interest and keep me motivated) and at the same time refine my skills to eventually participate in improvised battles similar to the ludosport guys.
thanks for all you do the promote and expand the sport and play of lightsabers! i greatly appreciate your efforts
Dear 'Mace-'Windu I was wondering if you'd promise to deliver the mortal kombat shaolin monks 2005 characters to 1210 n.w 12th court in Roosevelt gardens ft,Lauderdale Florida 33311.
please help this guy and i have lightsaber duels and he always goes for my legs but the zone 5 and 6 block does not help as he swings at my legs from the side. how do i counter this?
+Fip Gwen Step back and go for the head. Wear safety gear. DN
Yep, prepare and think ahead, you know he will do it... That gives you the edge. But plan for a defense or push after words. Just in case. Rater then back up, step forward and to the opposite side while turning your body on your dominant foot towards him and bring the blade down or at his side. Speed.
When you block your leg zones, move your leg back when you block.
could you do a video about attacks that break parries?
All very fine work, and I love how you seem to be adapting HEMA and the like into the Legends material. One question, though, with that crouching guard, were you supposed to be ducking your head and looking at your feet? Because that's a big no-no haha ;P
I just recently got into lightsabers, so please excuse my noob questions :D
1: I see where you are coming from with putting energy into the sai/cho strikes, but aren't you opening yourself up to a counter like that? I imagine that shiim or shiak would work well while your blade is behind your back. It would require great timing though.
2: Against what kind of strikes do I use the drop parries? Wouldn't a slightly modified version of the parry from the middle guard be faster and allow for better countering?
3: What kind of systems have you combined? I feel like I spotted some Kendo and some Montante-like stuff.
This is really cool. Subbed!
1. The sword forms we learn in my Taekwondo school have us actually touch our back with the katana, in order to generate any sort of power. Keeping the blade close also lowers the lever arm, which is important with a heavy metal weapon. However, as lightsabers cutting power is largely independent of the strength of the strike, I think striking from the high guard (which I've seen in other Shii-cho videos) would provide a similar approach, but the high guard position is closer to the target. There's also less risk of touching yourself in the back with your lightsaber.
2. I believe that it's more about which guard you're in, and how you plan to follow through. From low guard I can see the drop parry being used, but especially from high guard. It also depends on how you follow-through. If you follow through with a sai or cho strike, then you would be in a good position from the drop parry.
I'm going to add question 4. to the list: what about a down block? We use it in our basic katana training, and I've seen it in other Shii-Cho videos. The idea is a straight 45-degree downward block, which should especially protect yourself on Zone 6.
greetings masters , I have a question , how is the proper movement dewback rider stance???
How can I improve my form with the Hutt slide? I have fencing experience, so I tend to do the fencing "shuffle" automatically instead.
+Megan Troyer Retreating is basically impossible pushing off the front foot for me - fencing sticks to one primary leg (you can tell a fencer because they have one thigh muscle slightly larger than the other) for both advance and retreat.
+Megan Troyer My three phase is alright but my full step looks ridiculous.
Hey, Headmaster Nero here, I'm the fencer among these TPLA guys! Just wanted to pop in and mention that the Hutt Slide is essentially the same as your basic advance and retreat in fencing. Front toes come up, then the heel moves, with the back foot following suit as the heel lands. Retreat is the opposite, back toes reach out and the front foot comes up as the back foot lands completely. Unless I'm mistaken, you are probably doing it right!
@terra prime light armoury why do you do dewback rider someone could kick you and here's other thing i can understand the kneeling stance but it bit weird and those stance could get you killed I am just speaking of practicality but I am not martial artist that's done swordmenship
Hey, I'm trying to learn everything you have on this chanel about Soresu. I was wondering if I need to try and learn anything from Shii-Cho or Makashi to help my learning.
Hi, Thats what we recommend. Each Form of ours builds skills for the others. DN
TPLA:Terra Prime Light Armory ok, thank you very much. Have a blessed day.
Intending no offense, but may I presume to offer a constructive (I hope) criticism. I study Italian longsword on and off and my biggest complaint is with the zone 1 parry in that it is completely horizontal. This would put you into a strength contest with your opponent, which you may not always win. It would be better to protect the head with the drop parry(what we call a hanging parry) where gravity would cause your opponent's blade to slide along your blade down and away from your body.
Thank you, Actually, The parry is not horizontal. It does dip down toward the side the parry is on.
But, this parry will be almost impossible to perform without the blade dropping down and the attack sliding off to the side. The reason it may look more horizontal is that the blade portion must be over the head in the zone one parry where as the drop parries are to the flank or side of zone one offering little to no protection from the downward strike to the head. Basically, physics dictates that the strike will slide off to the side that the blade points.
DN
Lightsabers in the star wars universe can't slide so it's not allowed in dueling. :)
@@aeroluster2689 I didn't know that. thinking back, I think you're right. Intriguing.
I cant do all of these since i use a light pike with a slightly shortened blade and a very long handle, should just do what i can and slightly improvise on what i can't? (like when the hilt is very close to the body.)
+9thDr I don't know if you're already practicing this or not but I suggest you look into Naginatajutsu or 'The Art of Naginata' :)
Francis Tapang this might sound silly but is that "real" or star wars?
It is a traditional japanese fighting technique with the use of a 'pike' or a "Naginata'
Look up forms for this style of art and see if you can adapt and even develop and some
new Yari Pike techniques.
Francis Tapang ok, thx. =)
Is he dabbing at 9:16 XD or is there a name for it
where in you chenal form vaapad ?
i know im late but i want to get into this sort of stuff so just wondering do you switch your stance if you are left handed like me?
Omengello, I am a left-handed fighter with a primary left-handed stance.anything that is taught as right-handed can simply be mirrored as left. If you look at the zones in the beginning, he tried to label things as hand neutral.
do you teach all the 7 forms of light saber combat ?and do you show them here on you tube too ? i find you tube the best learning school better than a book to teach from :) greetings
Hey ,Darth Nonymous!I was wondering if I could train in a certain form without mastering shii-cho? I mean just understand the form and know the moves and how to do them but ,like, maybe can do them clumsily?On an unrelated note, why do learners in exile have to be older than 18? Just wondering, I mean I'll turn 18 next March anyway, but the question's bugging me.Thanks in advanced!
Question about sai, how would you do sai in the opposite directions? Would you put your left foot forward before you did it?
Dear officer padawan can you please let me get on your team.
Do you always have to put the saber behind your back as you strike? wouldn't it create a big opening?
Only if you want power. Many times I have speedily broken my opponent's defense by flicking the sword from the middle position, but it does little damage and is usually followed by striking again pulling back for power. Also, it is good practice because when your adrenaline is running, your moves tend to get shorter and more compact, so pulling all the way back could turn into pulling slightly back to get the best angle and striking quickly without opening yourself.
That first response was typed before I got to the strike part of the video. What he is doing is called a clear or a check. Imagine that motion as moving the enemy's saber tot he side. You open yourself but you are also forcing an opening for your opponent while also getting in position for a strike.
I find it really interesting that you've developped this into a form of fencing, I mean it. I'd love to know where you got the foundation from. Especially the guards look a lot like clumsy (I don't mean that in a condescending way) Kendo guards (Jodan, Chudan and Gedan no kamae).
Same for the strikes, especially the Shiim (i think that's what it was called) is basically a Tsuki in Kendo, except that you stretch your arms entirely, whereas in kendo you keep them a little bent and use your body more.
I'd really like to know your background and what you chose as base to develop your styles.
Thank you! My background is in Chinese weaponry. I dabble a bit with HEMA stuff here and there because they have more sparring in their sport. The premise we are going on is that martial arts and weapon arts are more alike than they are similar. Our system is developed by training basics and adding complexity from there. Happy sabering! DN
TPLA:Terra Prime Light Armory (Lightsaber Academy) Thanks for the response! So honestly no Kendo? Surprising, really. Every guard you've shown exists in Kendo, with the exception of details (such as in your first and second guard, in kendo you point the tip of the blade at the opponent's knee, or his throat respectively). Your high guard is the exact equivalent of a jodan no kamae in kendo and your jedi guard (not sure if you called it that) looks exactly like a hasso no kamae. I know for a fact that Kendo was a basis for the choreographies in the movies, so I assumed you did the same. Anyway, really interesting, I shall watch more of your videos.
Nope, no kendo. We have some instructors in our ranks that do Kenjustu though, so I am familiar a bit with the basic mechanics of Japanese swordplay. But truthfully, those guards are found in almost every two handed sword system. You would be hard pressed to find a system that does NOT have these three guards. Hence, their inclusion in the base material. And a good example of where we are going with this. Our material has influences and applications from many real world sword styles. We tend to be less on the sporting end of it although one of our Headmasters is a Fencing coach so there is a bit of influence. DN
Do you teach duel sobered?
Your travel path confuses me a little bit. do you cut *away from the leg, or with the blade? I've been practicing where (I'm right handed) when I cut to the left, my right foot moves forward, and vice versa. is that correct?
I usually keep the blade at the rear of my stance, but some HEMA stances have the blade as the lead (such as in Foolishness Guard). it's really difficult to learn this stuff from videos alone.
I also have the issue that on the very last cut of the first velocity, after the Sarlaac sweep, I cut *towards my forward leg, unlike the entire rest of the movements. I'm not sure where I'm going wrong there either.
Generally, with Sai, you need to swing toward the rear leg and open hips to do a proper follow through. With Cho, you can go to either hip forward or rear.
With the SS, both legs can be forward as you can do it while stationary. The issues will be with timing and number of steps usually. Just be sure to keep the weapon in front of you while advancing. DN
Too much wind up and telegraphing in some of the strikes. A lot of wasted motion in the drop parries as well.
Well, remember this is training, not sparring. Think of it as intimedient moves in most forms of martial arts. You use them during patten and drill work, but not during sparring. The loop around the head on the Sai and Cho strikes is tecnicly a parry leading into a reposte, just something else to consider.
You fight how you train. I realize this a perversion of various methods of sword fighting but even a perversion should not completely lose it's grasp at reality. Your statement would seem to indicate you have had some training. From the little I can glean from your statement whomever trained you did you a dis-service and set you up to ingrain a lot of bad habits.
AKlover "ingrain bad habits"? I don't think so. I questioned the "middle" moves myself when I first started and had the explained. As stated, they are for patten work, formalities, not fighting. There's a saying in Taekwondo "Everything up to black belt is the tutorial, after that you're ready to learn true Taekwondo." This is the art I study, just for the record.
I've not even got to sparring level yet (next belt) but I've watched the sparing classes and their isn't any intimediete moves shown at all. They're a training aid, nothing more.
Plus, as stated, the "wind up" to both the Sai and Cho is in fact a parry of a strike going for your sholder followed by a counter strike. I'll admit the Sai is a little overswing-ey when done formally in Dulon (patten) and single person drills, but you don't do that when using it in both two person drills and sparring. It's a training aid to ingrain the differance between a full power slash, a slightly less powerful chop and a quick cut.
Maybe I just don't know what to look for - but I just can't see the difference beween Shiim and Shiak. The description mentions either the tip or the hilt being "still" but in both cases they move, so that isn't helpful.
Please help?
+Kirk Brownridge Shiak is stabbing and Shiim is tapping. DN
Ah. Well that clears it up.
It explains the Acceleration video for Shiim too.
Thanks!
the training is unorganized
8:24... He definitely just caused himself some serious pain.
Hey you’re like me
Since light saber combat was based off of kendo i understand the kendo comments but my main gripe is that your videos need talking. The music made it hard to consentrate.