Its called SoCal Chumps for a reason! It’s unfortunate that we had to lower our standards and stoop down to SoCals level of playing Speedsoft…none of you guys call shit and your refs are bias af so teams from NorCal have no other choice but to say fuck it and play you guys at your own game! Y’all suck bro, get out of your bias home field and come play up North at SacCounty and let’s see how good you guys really are! And your right cheatin ass teams are ruining this sport and cheatin ass teams are forcing good clean teams to play accordingly but that’s why we usually stick to playing NSL up North! All good though talk your shit tough guy! 🫡
I don't know how I didn't see this yesterday 😂. I also don't know how you can even begin to try and dispute unedited rounds showing what happened. Gaslight harder.
My local field straight up told us “if someone is cheating, what do we do?” everyone said “shoot them? Report them?” then the Ref said “That’s right! Full Auto them!
To be honest I used to play airsoft with a group of people every Sunday at my local fields but the blatant cheaters have ruined it for me and my friend. We took many breaks and tried to get back into it, but the cheaters only got worse. The fields we went to stopped caring about them and even stopped doing events. So now I just have all the guns I've spent thousands on just sitting in my room. I have been wanting to get back into it again but just don't want to deal with the nuisance of cheaters.
I mostly play private games. Who'd cheat in a team of friend's organized game and get banned from every field and every game of every other team that knows us? It also helps that every team in my city organizes their own private games and invite each other. The field owners are friends of ours too, and sometimes we go to open games so people ask why we have our own equipment and how we deal with cheaters and we invite them to the chat group where we organize the private games. Also we call cheaters "highlanders" here because they are immortal. I'm sure gen z doesn't know the movie reference but they call them highlanders as well because of us. And we call beginners "kits" because they are using a field kit (a mask, glasses, a stock ar-15 with a high cap full of 0.2g bbs (they can refill for free) and in some fields they also give them a vest).
The writing was on the wall for "speedsoft" from the beginning. As a semi-competitive paintball player let me explain. Speedsoft is trying to emulate tournament paintball (for the most part) without the use of, well, paint. If you ask tournament paintball players what one of the biggest problems with tournament paintball is they will say cheating. The tool that helps prevent cheating, and more clearly identify hits is the paintball (alongside reffing). While the paintball isn't a perfect tool it still help immensely when identifying a hit player. Oh you didn't get hit? What is this huge bright residual splatter and shell doing here then? Speedsoft literally takes away one of the most valuable tools for keeping order in paintball and then tries to emulate the game. It's just creating the perfect environment for cheating.
Honestly most of what I hear the problem with tournament paintball is the cost. Anyone over D4 is spending $10k or more a year to compete. I'm playing D6 beginner and D5 tourneys this year and I'll hit $4000-5000 this year on paintball.
@@CoryMp3 i play D6 going into D5 and the way our camp did it was have everyone pay 75 a month in team dues and then just cover hotel/airbnb for tournys and honestly hasnt been terrible cost wise, i can understand as a kid maybe but even then we have a 16 year old on our team and his mom covers his costs hahaha
I remember when I started playing back in 2009' and the general consensus was that airsoft is played on an "honor system", where if you got hit and KNOW you got hit, then you'd call yourself out. I think with the rise in competitive airsoft, cash prizes and teams wanting to be #1, the "honor system" seems to be dead. Alot of teams now blatantly don't call their hits, claiming it's the referees job to call them out. And then this spills over into pub games and now it just seems like cheating is a huge problem compared to the past. Glad there's a video addressing this shit. I feel like the vibe of airsoft has changed with this new age mentality of not calling hits.
My thing is I wear old Russian shit and a weighted vest to airsoft, and I'm mostly just there for the workout and meeting people. I get shot often, and it is what it is. My helmet makes a mettalic ding when I get hit too, which is kind of funny.
I have personally seen that players that have joined the hobby after 2020 are more prone to cheating. I want new people in the hobby, absolutely, but the toxicity and cheating that they bring is unacceptable
I think it’s kids with no respect who just somehow got the money for expensive gear and just started playing, those of us who have played for years at our felids know to respect them
More and more people like this ruining the fun. Had a group of 3 people mag dump me at my local indoor field. They go around and purposely get themselves banned from arenas doing that stuff. I pressed criminal charges on the 2 that were adults, not putting up with that (full auto indoors is against the rules, etc).
Woohwowh" a dam pressing charges for magdumping that's pretty much ova kill man..they broke the rules not the law so gud luck wit dat 1 ...😮...nit, saying it was sumthing that I think is OK..I'd rather handled that ii lil different...OH I don't kno' let's say maybe I find y in the parking lot or may fallow u to wer ur going after the game ya kno DIFFERENTLY 😅
Great video and message, love the action scenes at the beginning. At my field we get a lot of „I didn’t feel anything“ - it’s so ridiculous that I immediately turn around and walk back to respawn if I see certain players. No need to waste any BBs and gas on them, since they never call.
Had a few of these terminators show up to one game, we just said fuck it and walked off, went to the rest zone and ordered a pizza. Within a few games the cheaters were the only guys on the field, everyone else had joined us lol. Refs refused to kick them out so we just loaded up and went home, got our computers, did a LAN night instead. After a few more sessions of this shit at different fields I sold my airsoft guns, bought a Steam Deck, and just do LANs. I'm out of the game for good. I miss it but the cheating is completely out of control.
As someone coming from the tournament Paintball days of the 00s and 2010s, cheaters were such a problem and that was with basically 1 ref per player, marking ammo and a more painful shot. I can't even imagine how to stop this in competitive airsoft
I tend to notice that indoor fields are very prone to cheating and rage, ive played outdoors at my local field in the UK for a while and other than a couple trigger happy rentals overshooting from range, there have never been major incidents when ive played.
It's field to field from what I find. I have 2 great indoor fields with low cheaters. I'm in the Pittsburgh area and we have a decent enough local scene to where the fields don't have to worry about banning cheaters. You cheat round here you're out of the sport real quick.
"MSK -45" Dawg you would think that having so many penalties you're 200 points behind the other guys and in the negative you would stop trying to fucking cheat.
the refs in paintball are a bit more attentive and have evidence of a hit 99% of the time. the penalties make cheating not worth it at all and they catch it ALOT of times. thats mainly why paintball keeps my interest over airsoft
@@trippler91 No, paintball is a bit easier to measure when it comes to hits because of the paint as evidence. Some airsofters have a hard time accepting hits and constantly argue, so I said they should play paintball because it is competitive and harder to lie about being hit. Also they’re gonna feel that .68 cal more than a bb so they can’t say they didn’t feel the hit
@Gsea101 as sole one who comes from paintball and moved to airsoft I totally agree some people need to learn how to calm their hits and paintball its much harder to get away with it
@@PraetorUA that could work, but even if a cheater unmistakably feels the shot, they may deny being hit. Leftover paint gives refs a slight advantage because it can be wiped off only so fast
I played a tournament in germany, i wasnt playing 2 months because i had an injury. So we went there as cold players and gone out with the second place, i never met so much cheaters and people who doesnt call their hits. After this day for me personally the speedsoft scene died. Now im playing with my friends and not looking for NSL or something, because the cheating is definetly ruining the sport.
@@vDontHxteMe same here, they take that very seriously. There were instances that I didn’t even know I got hit and they pulled me. They do their job very well
I straight up quit playing professional SXL cause the cheating was so bad. Not only that but the referees were horrible, they would make calls on stuff that never happened, or not make calls on stuff that clearly did happen, it’s a shame what happening to professional airsoft
HELLO YOU ARE MY FAVORITE AIRSOFT RUclipsR YOU GOT ME INTO AIRSOFT idk why I am in caps I just wanted to be noticed cause you are my favorite RUclipsr overall
Not going to lie bro this video just reminded me why I stopped doing air soft because to begin with. It’s so sad that people just can’t be honest here. I loved tac city but ngl some of regulars were hella toxic and just flat out cheated.
As someone who plays Speedball (Paintball) competitively, this was an issue that we all knew the competitive airsoft scene was going to have problems with. It's hard to ref when there isn't a visible splat or mark to obviously show someone is hit. I hope you guys can find a solution to this quick before it becomes a bigger problem.
I’m so happy this was said. East Coast SpeedQB is just “who got away with it more” or “who didn’t get caught”. Sadly a video like this isn’t going to change anything because when cash prizes and other things are on the table, honor goes out the window. As a player and Ref and have both experienced and seen it happen. It’s sad that it plagues the community so harshly because this style is so much fun to play. It makes me wanna play paintball just to really get a feel for more fairer matches. However airsoft is way cheaper than paintball and also something i have played a lot longer.
I don't know much about competitive airsoft, but this doesn't really surprise me, the idea of doing competitions in a sport where it's so easy to cheat is absurd imo, I have a hard time understanding why this even exist when paintball is so much better suited for competition, and with the airsoft guns used in these competitions being so close to paintball guns, I don't really understand why people who want competition don't just play with paintball guns.
I have many questions for anyone who does play in tournaments because I’m curious on how some parts of them work, with that here are my questions, 1. Do they have like an over head recording to see if the player has been hit or something along those lines, or do refs just have watch very carefully? 2. Tracers are required correct? 3. Why do you think people cheat , like what do you think motivates them to cheat
Hear me out, lightweight competition suits with panels of coloured, thermoplastic gels between a clear vinyl sheet and a more rigid backer. Panel gets shot and the gel displaces, making any strikes noticeable.
I'm a little late, but a thing about airsoft is the fact that it may be more realistic, but people will cheat, if you want less cheaters turn to paintball, its a faster pace, and just less cheaters due to the fact its hard to hide a huge splatter of paint on your jersey that you can't wipe off without a washing machine.
I tried getting into competitive airsoft coming from competitive paintball and my first tournament I realised it wasn’t viable as a sport, it’s entirely honesty based. If people want to win they will lie
Entire community took a nosedive even out in Texas, Rhode Island, and Tampa. Cali is the only place I didn't play but it didn't seem any better. Over half of our speed teams left the scene in Texas and most went to paintball funny enough.
@@ValiantAirsoft this is ginger in case that wasn't obvious lol. Yeah I suggest y'all crack down soon otherwise it might go the same way as the Awaken speed teams and most just get tired of it and leave.
always wanted to play comp airsoft but i stick to paintball due to the amount and how easy it is to cheat at airsoft, so i play airsoft as a hobby and paintball as a sport because of it
It mean outside of being cheaper and cleaner I do not see the appeal. This is just a copy of paintball. The callouts, the HPA tanks on the guns, the people trying to play on, The layouts, it just feels like a copy. I was taken aback watching this speedsoft for the first time. All the gear is paintball. Its honestly kinda funny.
I think starting to do what competitive paintball does where if someone’s you know shooting you from behind for instance, and you even just turned your called out I think that would start to quell some of the “” trades.
install cameras that can see most if not all angles, and record at a good enough quality to see hits/bbs. That way if anyone accuses any one else of cheating, whether it be genuine accusations or coping then you can just, idk, watch the footage.
i don't compete myself, but have been getting really tired, people not calling their hits is just unfair, yeah you might have a vest on and not feel a thing, but you can definetely hear it...
This happens a lot in paintball too. Apparently(They won't admit it) but they practice how to swipe/move against the bunkers to smear paint off from a hit to try and fool refs, it's legitimately part of the sport apparently. I hate the concept and airsoft not leaving actual paint on you makes it even harder to police/ref as you mentioned in the beginning of the video.
happens alot less now a days. The rate of fire is so high in paintball, its typically pretty hard to wipe. I mean it happens but not like it did in 2002-2008.
Its not that i hate speedsoft because i like the “cosplay” “milsim” side of airsoft more. But i just dont understand introducing competition in a sport based on fairplay. When you are competing you mindset is not being fairplay its only winning at all cost. So or they invent something that makes it black or white (like paint with paintball or i dont know someghing electric or induction) or speedsoft is never really going somewhere.
I never really understood speedsoft like this. Paintball is way more proven for this style of gameplay. Not hating I love airsoft and paintball but I don’t think airsoft really ever was meant to be played like this
Youre a wizard with that hi capa man, sick gameplay. Shame that the sport cant be taken as serious as it would like to be with all this shit muddying the waters. I garantee you and your team would kick ass at a speedball tourney too.
Shit I am almost 40 now. Used to play a ton of paintball back in the day here in Texas when I was like 13-17 years old. Started to see alot of the same stuff in local fields all around the Houston area. Really turned me off to the whole hobby as far as playing with ramdoms. Luckily I lived on 4 acres that was all overgrown. Eventually I just started doing my own thing with a group of 8 or 10 friends on the weekend and make our own little paintball field over the 4 acres. Shit I still remember the blue autococker with the halo feeder and the nitrogen setup I had. It was fun as hell. Then I grew up lol. Work.
I feel like if there was a way to have less cheating in Airsoft games the Airsoft field needs to be like a golf club. To an extent where you in order to play you’d have to be a member or part of the club to play at the field. This in turn would discourage people from cheating since it’s a club where everyone would know each other too! The down side is that Airsoft would be secluded from new players trying to play their first time since they’d have to be part of the club to play on the field. It would be hard for them to play at first, they’ll have to wait to become a member. This is how it goes in the county club golf clubs in my area where golfers would have to pay monthly or annual membership fees to be part of the club to play. I also think that having to be a member is a plus too because in turn it helps keep the fields open and not close for good because of low business. I would be part of a Airsoft field club if 1 the Airsoft field and staff is great 2 players a like get along in good company to talk too 3 having the competitive atmosphere for titles and trophies.
I'm glad my outdoor field has only whining about cheaters and maybe a single actual cheater in a day. Indoors you always get the "I shot you first" crowd which is hilarious when they're getting lit up by the entire team and still complain, but they at least don't pretend they didn't get hit (trades are in the rules, I've taken trades that had 2 second delays because my enemy was surprised and falling over while shooting, I only got hit because I was way too aggressive and in the open despite having a safer way to kill him from better cover). This is the New England crowd though and not in a competitive style field, I'm sure the culture is way different in general. Don't give up on your hobbies if you can help it, if there's more chill fields you can play at it might be an idea to switch it up for a bit.
Over 20 years ago, a friend and I were looking to get into Airsoft, and when we did research online, 90% of the videos we saw were of people overshooting, playing on, cheating, and fighting. It made us try paintball; to this day, we have no regrets. Paintball will have some of the same issues but on a much smaller scale. Way too many wannabe thugs with bad parents in Airsoft
Jumped to the comments to point out how much of an oxymoron "Tournament Airsoft" is. I love airsoft, but it's an honor system! Simply incompatible with tournaments and competitive play. Besides lying, people can just not feel it and there's no way to prove otherwise If you want a tournament, you use paint
I'm in the process of selling everything, too many idiots in this hobby. Just couldn't bear it anymore and after 4 clubs and 6 fields in 4 years i quit. Here in italy is horrendous
Cheaters are going to cheat no matter what. Reffing will just have to get better. But the calling someone out is just cringy af. Get the f*ck out, Ref I hit him way back there, and I shot him ref reminds me of the paintball days. Refs need to get better and be on top of pulling people that won't call it themselves. If the ref calls him out you won't need to. Competitive airsoft is only going to be as good as the refs. Just my opinion.
Yo, is that Tac City in Fullerton? If so, last time I went, there were so many cheaters and many of them were buddy buddy with the refs. nearly killed my love of the sport
For real, any competitive player that has 3 counts of knowingly not calling their hits caught on video should be instantly banned from play, no ifs or buts.
this is so annoying It's like that when you play pro teams like ECE or any pro team or pro player they just eat BB's and I kinda understand because they are used to being laser but this is unacceptable. We need to end it now. (I play for NGSS incase y'all are wondering Little man no. 11 I played in nsl eastern confrence 2024 we came in 3rd)
Your first problem is “competitive airsoft” unless it’s like 1v1 or very small teams with plenty of refs on an easily judged field, competitive airsoft is impossible. It exists in my country and it’s all on fields that resemble speed ball more than a shoot house with teams no larger than 5 with plenty of staff keeping everyone honest.
Its called SoCal Chumps for a reason!
It’s unfortunate that we had to lower our standards and stoop down to SoCals level of playing Speedsoft…none of you guys call shit and your refs are bias af so teams from NorCal have no other choice but to say fuck it and play you guys at your own game! Y’all suck bro, get out of your bias home field and come play up North at SacCounty and let’s see how good you guys really are!
And your right cheatin ass teams are ruining this sport and cheatin ass teams are forcing good clean teams to play accordingly but that’s why we usually stick to playing NSL up North!
All good though talk your shit tough guy! 🫡
I don't know how I didn't see this yesterday 😂. I also don't know how you can even begin to try and dispute unedited rounds showing what happened. Gaslight harder.
the pin of shame 🤣
this is some clown ass talking for how I was watching you guys play so pretty ironic ngl
@@DYLAN-b8m7f gotta love it.
Or come to Texas and see whos better :)
My local field straight up told us “if someone is cheating, what do we do?”
everyone said “shoot them? Report them?”
then the Ref said
“That’s right! Full Auto them!
I trust people less to know they've hit someone than I do for them to call their hits 😂
PBX? The good old firing line was always my favorite.
yea my local field is like this too! if someone who is reported and still continues to cheat gets full autoed by everyone
@@Drew824_ W field bro
@@smperThat's an L for Lawsuit
To be honest I used to play airsoft with a group of people every Sunday at my local fields but the blatant cheaters have ruined it for me and my friend. We took many breaks and tried to get back into it, but the cheaters only got worse. The fields we went to stopped caring about them and even stopped doing events. So now I just have all the guns I've spent thousands on just sitting in my room. I have been wanting to get back into it again but just don't want to deal with the nuisance of cheaters.
I say still give it a try, not all facilities will have cheaters and you could have a lot of fun again :)
I would say play private games with friends
Even with cheaters there's plenty that won't cheat so I still manage to have fun I still get my exercise in.
I mostly play private games.
Who'd cheat in a team of friend's organized game and get banned from every field and every game of every other team that knows us?
It also helps that every team in my city organizes their own private games and invite each other.
The field owners are friends of ours too, and sometimes we go to open games so people ask why we have our own equipment and how we deal with cheaters and we invite them to the chat group where we organize the private games.
Also we call cheaters "highlanders" here because they are immortal. I'm sure gen z doesn't know the movie reference but they call them highlanders as well because of us.
And we call beginners "kits" because they are using a field kit (a mask, glasses, a stock ar-15 with a high cap full of 0.2g bbs (they can refill for free) and in some fields they also give them a vest).
Maybe try milsims where they take it much more seriously
The writing was on the wall for "speedsoft" from the beginning. As a semi-competitive paintball player let me explain.
Speedsoft is trying to emulate tournament paintball (for the most part) without the use of, well, paint. If you ask tournament paintball players what one of the biggest problems with tournament paintball is they will say cheating. The tool that helps prevent cheating, and more clearly identify hits is the paintball (alongside reffing). While the paintball isn't a perfect tool it still help immensely when identifying a hit player.
Oh you didn't get hit? What is this huge bright residual splatter and shell doing here then?
Speedsoft literally takes away one of the most valuable tools for keeping order in paintball and then tries to emulate the game.
It's just creating the perfect environment for cheating.
Honestly most of what I hear the problem with tournament paintball is the cost. Anyone over D4 is spending $10k or more a year to compete. I'm playing D6 beginner and D5 tourneys this year and I'll hit $4000-5000 this year on paintball.
@@CoryMp3 i play D6 going into D5 and the way our camp did it was have everyone pay 75 a month in team dues and then just cover hotel/airbnb for tournys and honestly hasnt been terrible cost wise, i can understand as a kid maybe but even then we have a 16 year old on our team and his mom covers his costs hahaha
I remember when I started playing back in 2009' and the general consensus was that airsoft is played on an "honor system", where if you got hit and KNOW you got hit, then you'd call yourself out.
I think with the rise in competitive airsoft, cash prizes and teams wanting to be #1, the "honor system" seems to be dead. Alot of teams now blatantly don't call their hits, claiming it's the referees job to call them out. And then this spills over into pub games and now it just seems like cheating is a huge problem compared to the past.
Glad there's a video addressing this shit. I feel like the vibe of airsoft has changed with this new age mentality of not calling hits.
What do you expect when a formally mostly 18+ hobby becomes accessible to 13 year olds?
My thing is I wear old Russian shit and a weighted vest to airsoft, and I'm mostly just there for the workout and meeting people. I get shot often, and it is what it is. My helmet makes a mettalic ding when I get hit too, which is kind of funny.
These raw gameplay footages are the best IMO. You actually get to see the drama in real time essentially. Should do more of these
I do when I can, when there's not too much dead space in rounds.
Yeah a lot better in cqb environments in outdoors it’s a lot slower paced.
I have personally seen that players that have joined the hobby after 2020 are more prone to cheating.
I want new people in the hobby, absolutely, but the toxicity and cheating that they bring is unacceptable
I've noticed it at my local field as well. More cheaters seem to be coming in.
second that, especially in cqb fields, newer players that joined after the fields reopened after COVID seem to generally be more problematic
its like some people want drama
I think it's a speedsoft thing to be honest. I never encounter it with large CQB fields or Outdoor Milsim style fields.
I think it’s kids with no respect who just somehow got the money for expensive gear and just started playing, those of us who have played for years at our felids know to respect them
8:45 damn a one ball to the mask he still didn’t call hit
More and more people like this ruining the fun. Had a group of 3 people mag dump me at my local indoor field. They go around and purposely get themselves banned from arenas doing that stuff. I pressed criminal charges on the 2 that were adults, not putting up with that (full auto indoors is against the rules, etc).
Sounds like the “Unknown” Airsoft team.
Woohwowh" a dam pressing charges for magdumping that's pretty much ova kill man..they broke the rules not the law so gud luck wit dat 1 ...😮...nit, saying it was sumthing that I think is OK..I'd rather handled that ii lil different...OH I don't kno' let's say maybe I find y in the parking lot or may fallow u to wer ur going after the game ya kno DIFFERENTLY 😅
@@bensikora3434or cuppa, or censored. There’s a lot of these.
@@timzonia3800 What on God’s Green Earth are you fucking saying?
@@aterriblefuze9540 lol exactly what I was thinking 😂
my local field has no cheaters and i love it, everyone is just chill asf
No replys lemme fix dat
@@KAMPFER984 thanks
I wish your field will get more players without cheaters ❤
@@GorenAirsoft me too, they r supposed to be moving locations soon
Same
Great video and message, love the action scenes at the beginning.
At my field we get a lot of „I didn’t feel anything“ - it’s so ridiculous that I immediately turn around and walk back to respawn if I see certain players.
No need to waste any BBs and gas on them, since they never call.
Had a few of these terminators show up to one game, we just said fuck it and walked off, went to the rest zone and ordered a pizza. Within a few games the cheaters were the only guys on the field, everyone else had joined us lol. Refs refused to kick them out so we just loaded up and went home, got our computers, did a LAN night instead.
After a few more sessions of this shit at different fields I sold my airsoft guns, bought a Steam Deck, and just do LANs. I'm out of the game for good. I miss it but the cheating is completely out of control.
“That’s anime sh!t” 😂 yes it is
yagami backwards is ...
As someone coming from the tournament Paintball days of the 00s and 2010s, cheaters were such a problem and that was with basically 1 ref per player, marking ammo and a more painful shot. I can't even imagine how to stop this in competitive airsoft
I tend to notice that indoor fields are very prone to cheating and rage, ive played outdoors at my local field in the UK for a while and other than a couple trigger happy rentals overshooting from range, there have never been major incidents when ive played.
It's field to field from what I find. I have 2 great indoor fields with low cheaters. I'm in the Pittsburgh area and we have a decent enough local scene to where the fields don't have to worry about banning cheaters. You cheat round here you're out of the sport real quick.
@@BombShot Totally so, but american fields seem to be more rage and cheater filled, although this obviously isnt all of them
"MSK -45" Dawg you would think that having so many penalties you're 200 points behind the other guys and in the negative you would stop trying to fucking cheat.
Assholes will be assholes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Their ego is way more important than having fun
Sadly, with anything that's competitive, people will find a way to cheat.
the refs in paintball are a bit more attentive and have evidence of a hit 99% of the time. the penalties make cheating not worth it at all and they catch it ALOT of times. thats mainly why paintball keeps my interest over airsoft
4:42 Dat was a clean reload
As a referee, some airsofters just belong in paintball lol
Can you explain this a little bit? As a paintballer I'm trying to understand what you are insinuating. Is it that paintball is full of cheaters?
@@trippler91 No, paintball is a bit easier to measure when it comes to hits because of the paint as evidence. Some airsofters have a hard time accepting hits and constantly argue, so I said they should play paintball because it is competitive and harder to lie about being hit. Also they’re gonna feel that .68 cal more than a bb so they can’t say they didn’t feel the hit
@Gsea101 as sole one who comes from paintball and moved to airsoft I totally agree some people need to learn how to calm their hits and paintball its much harder to get away with it
@@Gsea101 Couldn't you just raise the FPS limit so heavier weight bb's can be used for tourny play?
@@PraetorUA that could work, but even if a cheater unmistakably feels the shot, they may deny being hit. Leftover paint gives refs a slight advantage because it can be wiped off only so fast
Cheaters suck all the fun out of it and ruin everyone’s time. also please do more milsim.
Great video👍
I played a tournament in germany, i wasnt playing 2 months because i had an injury.
So we went there as cold players and gone out with the second place, i never met so much cheaters and people who doesnt call their hits. After this day for me personally the speedsoft scene died.
Now im playing with my friends and not looking for NSL or something, because the cheating is definetly ruining the sport.
Honestly, that's why i play NSL. When you cheat you actually get punished with penalty's what effect the rest of the team in their next round(s)
I play NSL as well 🔥
@@vDontHxteMe same here, they take that very seriously. There were instances that I didn’t even know I got hit and they pulled me. They do their job very well
This is why I hated Airsoft and stuck to paintball. Yes, there are still cheaters in paintball, but it is a lot harder to get away with it.
I straight up quit playing professional SXL cause the cheating was so bad. Not only that but the referees were horrible, they would make calls on stuff that never happened, or not make calls on stuff that clearly did happen, it’s a shame what happening to professional airsoft
HELLO YOU ARE MY FAVORITE AIRSOFT RUclipsR YOU GOT ME INTO AIRSOFT idk why I am in caps I just wanted to be noticed cause you are my favorite RUclipsr overall
Not going to lie bro this video just reminded me why I stopped doing air soft because to begin with. It’s so sad that people just can’t be honest here. I loved tac city but ngl some of regulars were hella toxic and just flat out cheated.
tac city pubs isn't bad anymore
As someone who plays Speedball (Paintball) competitively, this was an issue that we all knew the competitive airsoft scene was going to have problems with. It's hard to ref when there isn't a visible splat or mark to obviously show someone is hit. I hope you guys can find a solution to this quick before it becomes a bigger problem.
I’m so happy this was said. East Coast SpeedQB is just “who got away with it more” or “who didn’t get caught”. Sadly a video like this isn’t going to change anything because when cash prizes and other things are on the table, honor goes out the window. As a player and Ref and have both experienced and seen it happen. It’s sad that it plagues the community so harshly because this style is so much fun to play. It makes me wanna play paintball just to really get a feel for more fairer matches. However airsoft is way cheaper than paintball and also something i have played a lot longer.
We need HEAVY penalties
I don't know much about competitive airsoft, but this doesn't really surprise me, the idea of doing competitions in a sport where it's so easy to cheat is absurd imo, I have a hard time understanding why this even exist when paintball is so much better suited for competition, and with the airsoft guns used in these competitions being so close to paintball guns, I don't really understand why people who want competition don't just play with paintball guns.
I can't play comp paintball with a pistol
So glad we don't really have this problem here in the Florida Comp scene. Everyone knows everyone here. Cheaters get known quickly and drove out.
nice footage. are you on the 360 train now or gopro still? i assume 360 is harder to edit and just lower visual quality in general
The Noot Noot at 5:35 was gold 🐧
I have many questions for anyone who does play in tournaments because I’m curious on how some parts of them work, with that here are my questions,
1. Do they have like an over head recording to see if the player has been hit or something along those lines, or do refs just have watch very carefully?
2. Tracers are required correct?
3. Why do you think people cheat , like what do you think motivates them to cheat
Hear me out, lightweight competition suits with panels of coloured, thermoplastic gels between a clear vinyl sheet and a more rigid backer. Panel gets shot and the gel displaces, making any strikes noticeable.
I'm a little late, but a thing about airsoft is the fact that it may be more realistic, but people will cheat, if you want less cheaters turn to paintball, its a faster pace, and just less cheaters due to the fact its hard to hide a huge splatter of paint on your jersey that you can't wipe off without a washing machine.
typical killshot mafia lol
This has always been and will always be the downfall of Airsoft. Taking it to a competitive level just baffled me as it's doomed to fail.
I tried getting into competitive airsoft coming from competitive paintball and my first tournament I realised it wasn’t viable as a sport, it’s entirely honesty based. If people want to win they will lie
idk why but i think its so funny seeing sosa reffing 😭
Entire community took a nosedive even out in Texas, Rhode Island, and Tampa. Cali is the only place I didn't play but it didn't seem any better. Over half of our speed teams left the scene in Texas and most went to paintball funny enough.
It's still "decent" for the most part in SoCal, but if we don't crack down it's gonna be like everywhere else.
@@ValiantAirsoft this is ginger in case that wasn't obvious lol. Yeah I suggest y'all crack down soon otherwise it might go the same way as the Awaken speed teams and most just get tired of it and leave.
This was always my concern with comp airsoft. Makes me wish there were a way of registering impacts on a vest players wear or something.
damn the players of this game get so emotional
This is the reason paintball fucking exists...
always wanted to play comp airsoft but i stick to paintball due to the amount and how easy it is to cheat at airsoft, so i play airsoft as a hobby and paintball as a sport because of it
So finally everyone can agree that paintball is better! Good to hear :)
It mean outside of being cheaper and cleaner I do not see the appeal. This is just a copy of paintball. The callouts, the HPA tanks on the guns, the people trying to play on, The layouts, it just feels like a copy. I was taken aback watching this speedsoft for the first time. All the gear is paintball. Its honestly kinda funny.
This is why airsoft never beat out paintball for me.
There are cheats in both but paintball cheaters get caught more and lose games for their team.
Should try/look into Sxl Airsoft’s east coast format that’s been eliminating cheating and toxic attitudes
Great Work!
I think starting to do what competitive paintball does where if someone’s you know shooting you from behind for instance, and you even just turned your called out I think that would start to quell some of the “” trades.
install cameras that can see most if not all angles, and record at a good enough quality to see hits/bbs. That way if anyone accuses any one else of cheating, whether it be genuine accusations or coping then you can just, idk, watch the footage.
Just switch to paintball. I mean you are already basically using speedball layout, paintball masks, hpa basically using a paintball gun at that point.
I switched to paintball after 10 years of airsoft for a more fair competitive experience.
i don't compete myself, but have been getting really tired, people not calling their hits is just unfair, yeah you might have a vest on and not feel a thing, but you can definetely hear it...
Eventually, it will come full circle and we will just be paintball players
I mean paintball guns have gotten way way better than they were. But airsoft is still more fun
There are wipers in paintball too or they bounce off and dudes won't call it.
@Winterfal11 you never count bounces anyway, rarely if any. It only counts if it splats. Watch any tournament or own gunner games.
one of the downsides to playing something in a competitive style and have no way of telling if you actually hit somebody...
This happens a lot in paintball too. Apparently(They won't admit it) but they practice how to swipe/move against the bunkers to smear paint off from a hit to try and fool refs, it's legitimately part of the sport apparently. I hate the concept and airsoft not leaving actual paint on you makes it even harder to police/ref as you mentioned in the beginning of the video.
happens alot less now a days. The rate of fire is so high in paintball, its typically pretty hard to wipe. I mean it happens but not like it did in 2002-2008.
Its not that i hate speedsoft because i like the “cosplay” “milsim” side of airsoft more. But i just dont understand introducing competition in a sport based on fairplay. When you are competing you mindset is not being fairplay its only winning at all cost. So or they invent something that makes it black or white (like paint with paintball or i dont know someghing electric or induction) or speedsoft is never really going somewhere.
Remember when the ACA happened? The top two teams were some of the most. notorious cheaters around.
Competitive airsoft is just a cesspool of cheaters
What do the ref do if you show them video of the people cheating? Does it change the results?
It's odd to see all the same gear and terminology from paintball being applied to Airsoft. Of course with paintball it's a lot harder to cheat.
I never really understood speedsoft like this. Paintball is way more proven for this style of gameplay. Not hating I love airsoft and paintball but I don’t think airsoft really ever was meant to be played like this
Youre a wizard with that hi capa man, sick gameplay. Shame that the sport cant be taken as serious as it would like to be with all this shit muddying the waters. I garantee you and your team would kick ass at a speedball tourney too.
Hey Eddie, i wanted to ask, Where do you usually find yourself playing airsoft? Cause i live in tennesse and theres nothing here near me atleast.
one could argue why paintball is better at championships
Don't feel bad, cheaters are ruining EVERYTHING, not just airsoft...
When your call of duty cheats just aren’t enough
good comms eddie
Wait, I know these guys. They’re one of the teams that like to frequent SCA during speed nights.
Shit I am almost 40 now. Used to play a ton of paintball back in the day here in Texas when I was like 13-17 years old. Started to see alot of the same stuff in local fields all around the Houston area. Really turned me off to the whole hobby as far as playing with ramdoms. Luckily I lived on 4 acres that was all overgrown. Eventually I just started doing my own thing with a group of 8 or 10 friends on the weekend and make our own little paintball field over the 4 acres. Shit I still remember the blue autococker with the halo feeder and the nitrogen setup I had. It was fun as hell. Then I grew up lol. Work.
This is why paintball exists
I feel like if there was a way to have less cheating in Airsoft games the Airsoft field needs to be like a golf club. To an extent where you in order to play you’d have to be a member or part of the club to play at the field. This in turn would discourage people from cheating since it’s a club where everyone would know each other too! The down side is that Airsoft would be secluded from new players trying to play their first time since they’d have to be part of the club to play on the field. It would be hard for them to play at first, they’ll have to wait to become a member. This is how it goes in the county club golf clubs in my area where golfers would have to pay monthly or annual membership fees to be part of the club to play. I also think that having to be a member is a plus too because in turn it helps keep the fields open and not close for good because of low business. I would be part of a Airsoft field club if 1 the Airsoft field and staff is great 2 players a like get along in good company to talk too 3 having the competitive atmosphere for titles and trophies.
Tournament paintball was bad enough. This is ridiculous.
I'm glad my outdoor field has only whining about cheaters and maybe a single actual cheater in a day. Indoors you always get the "I shot you first" crowd which is hilarious when they're getting lit up by the entire team and still complain, but they at least don't pretend they didn't get hit (trades are in the rules, I've taken trades that had 2 second delays because my enemy was surprised and falling over while shooting, I only got hit because I was way too aggressive and in the open despite having a safer way to kill him from better cover).
This is the New England crowd though and not in a competitive style field, I'm sure the culture is way different in general. Don't give up on your hobbies if you can help it, if there's more chill fields you can play at it might be an idea to switch it up for a bit.
Over 20 years ago, a friend and I were looking to get into Airsoft, and when we did research online, 90% of the videos we saw were of people overshooting, playing on, cheating, and fighting. It made us try paintball; to this day, we have no regrets. Paintball will have some of the same issues but on a much smaller scale. Way too many wannabe thugs with bad parents in Airsoft
Partly why I’ve always preferred paintball.
Yeah, there’s still cheaters, but it’s not nearly as bad.
Jumped to the comments to point out how much of an oxymoron "Tournament Airsoft" is. I love airsoft, but it's an honor system! Simply incompatible with tournaments and competitive play. Besides lying, people can just not feel it and there's no way to prove otherwise
If you want a tournament, you use paint
I'm in the process of selling everything, too many idiots in this hobby. Just couldn't bear it anymore and after 4 clubs and 6 fields in 4 years i quit. Here in italy is horrendous
Cheaters are going to cheat no matter what. Reffing will just have to get better. But the calling someone out is just cringy af. Get the f*ck out, Ref I hit him way back there, and I shot him ref reminds me of the paintball days. Refs need to get better and be on top of pulling people that won't call it themselves. If the ref calls him out you won't need to. Competitive airsoft is only going to be as good as the refs. Just my opinion.
just make it so they get like a 2 min year ban if found cheating from all tournamets this + recording it seems like this would be easy to stop
Been playing since 2001. This culture ruins what airsoft once was.
Yo, is that Tac City in Fullerton? If so, last time I went, there were so many cheaters and many of them were buddy buddy with the refs. nearly killed my love of the sport
Really you're good shooter brooo🎉🎉❤❤
For real, any competitive player that has 3 counts of knowingly not calling their hits caught on video should be instantly banned from play, no ifs or buts.
Atleast forced to play with one less person for the remainder of the rounds
this is honestly the reason our team went to paintball
If I didn't hate paintball I would
@@ValiantAirsoft ah man you'd love it, especially the competitiveness
No viable pistol option, very different movement style, messy AF 😭
@@ValiantAirsoft movement style is exactly the same. You get used to the mess and if you can't handle the weight of a marker go to gym?
bro just play speedball at this point lmfao
Where I play is invite only... if you ever cheat you are never invited back
its not just airsoft, its paintball too
this is so annoying It's like that when you play pro teams like ECE or any pro team or pro player they just eat BB's and I kinda understand because they are used to being laser but this is unacceptable. We need to end it now. (I play for NGSS incase y'all are wondering Little man no. 11 I played in nsl eastern confrence 2024 we came in 3rd)
Mr.bean , how would you describe yourself using 3 colors and 2 different vegetables
I'm really glad that speedsoft won't find any adoption in europe
Just got a serious question, what is the utility of cheating when there's so many people staring at you oO
Your guess is as good as mine
I would be playing Airsoft but there was no where to play where I live so I ended up playing paintball now I’m doing tournaments for paintball
@ValiantAirsoft
What gloves do you use?
alpinestar techstar
your my kinda guy pistols before rifles
This is why paintball is still relevant lol.
Airsoft is so much cheaper to play tho
this is why u guys should play paintball
never understand why people cheat. like bro you literally don't win anything lmao
Your first problem is “competitive airsoft” unless it’s like 1v1 or very small teams with plenty of refs on an easily judged field, competitive airsoft is impossible. It exists in my country and it’s all on fields that resemble speed ball more than a shoot house with teams no larger than 5 with plenty of staff keeping everyone honest.
Ive been playing airsoft since 2008, let me be a ref. I have no problem destroying their egos
I've reffed tournament before and it's actually pretty hard
if only there was a way to make the projectile mark or paint them so it would be harder to cheat