Quattroporte and Phaeton - Cheap Luxury Autocross - Big Sedan Challenge #4 | Everyday Driver
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- First we bought a cheap Maserati Quattroporte and VW Phaeton. Then we lived with them and told you all their issues. Now it's time to drive them in ways never intended - like autocross! When our intended track day got cancelled, we set up our own course and brought along our sports cars for reference. This was a strange and wonderful day, with unexpected results!
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I just noticed the Phaeton's Plates: "JettaXL"
LOLOLOLOL
Which is kinda misleading since it actually shares most of the technical stuff with the Bentleys of that time. A very, VERY underrated luxury car, which was possibly the best luxury sedan in the world at the time it came out, better than Audi A8, 7 series or S class.
And PKLFORK on the Maserati🤣
Paul - “The brakes are terrible. THIS WAS AWESOME!” That could be a shirt.
I love how the Jetta XL’s rear view mirror kept tilting when the car cornered hard.
I quite enjoyed this. Thanks guys.
The Phaeton was some piece of engineering and design for the time. Considering it was built for driving on autobahns, it was interesting to see how fast it did this course (particularly considering it's age). To me, still a beautiful car!
Она идеальная, Фердинанд добился своей цели как всегда, лучше машины не найти, она с сердцем, будучи в России имею 3.2 фаэтон на полный привод,
немного медленный, едет 8.3 с чипом, без катализаторов, их вырезал прошлый владелец,
рычит как w12 , но так не едет, не представляю что сможет фаэтон w12 если поставить спортивные прошивки мотора и коробки,
хотя и знаю ещё 13 лет назад владелец Фаэтона сделал это и поехал до 100 за 5.5 при заявленных 6.1 , и поехал до 277 км/ч если память не изменяет по-моему даже больше!!!
без чипа она так не могла, а если сделать карбоновые капот и бампер может другие детали, облегчить, поставить лёгкие кованые диски R19 то она и за 4.5-5.0 поедет, скорее всего даже быстрее, и всё это при этом комфорте, у этой машины есть история, такого больше не будет никогда цените фаэтоны, особенно 6 литровые,
и особенно 6.0 BRN )))
This was amazing. I was really hoping to see the big boys do well, because of the laughable physics arguments. But for the Phaeton to beat the Cayman!?!? That made the video.
I really hope this video encourages more people to come autocross. This proves you don't need a sportscar to have #funwithcars. Great video guys. I love the fun you guys are having... only 2 weeks before we start our autocross season again. Shame you guys didn't have more room and less poles for a faster course... but you made the best of what you had available.
That was great! I love the cayman more and more every time i see it. That blue is exceptional.
The Phaeton results don't surprise me. With 5200 pounds mashing down on the tires, you don't slip much. Every time I've asked mine to deliver, it has.
Nice! I am sincerely jealous of the scenery available. Those mountain views were awesome!
For whoever produces and edits this episode: It looks absolutely beautiful 👍
The heads of SCCA Safety Stewards are exploding all over the country. 😂😂😂
Had fun watching this!
As a former SCCA SSS I can vouch for that!
The cinematography on this one is great. Love the overhead of the lotus
I'm the guy who set up his BRZ with an OFT and FT-86 Speedfactory's UEL catted header and the cat back exhaust; just like your FR-S. The biggest bag for the buck, though, was mounting Pilot 4S's on Enkei RPF1s. The transformation was AWESOME! Yes, the Primacy HP's wear like iron, are very controllable, but they have no grip compared to the Pilot 4s. With the Pilot's you have to be going really, really fast before the traction nannies take over.
I think you guys should add an Autocross segment to ALL the cars you review and set up a time board similar to the old TopGear. Would be interesting to see how the family vehicles like the Rav4's and the Telluride do in these settings. You know because soccer moms and dads need to be able to make a quick get away from whatever mischiefs they are committing.
I like that you allways switch the cars and provide the individual perspective of each driver on the cars.
Very fun to watch! Thanks Paul and Todd
That was an awesome episode. I just love tell you guys were cackling the whole time. Keep it up
10:44 Does the Phaeton have the "adaptive rear view mirror"option?
"automatic horizontal levelling" ;-)
or maybe in it's previous life it was an artificial horizon of an aircraft
Paul and Todd laughing in the Pheaton was priceless!!! Epic, guys! Great piece! I'm still a sucker for an S6 Avante!!
Now do it with a Grand Marquis, Caprice, Roadmaster and Cadillac. 1996 vintage GM, later model Ford/Mercury.
Yes puhhhhlease!
That backseat camera view was the most exciting! It made it seem so much faster than the drone shots...thanks for putting that in there. Keep up the good work
The Cayman was beat, by a Phaeton, in raw time. RAW time.
....watching the Phaeton mirror cry for mercy and try to hang on.... 😂
I had to go back and watch it again for that. Hahaha!
You guys have made my husband start looking for a Phaeton 😂😅
Tommy Salami any other tips? Planning on looking for one soon 👀
Great video!. I love how the mirror dances in the phaeton. greetings from germany
I love the Lotus and Cayman so much. Easily two of my favorite cars. Great job fellas
I love how if you look at the suspension adjustment screen on the Phaeton when it's being autocrossed, it looks like a frowny face!!! haha
Just the right balance between informative and entertaining. Nice work!
Whether on purpose or by accident, the frowny face on the Phaeton's LCD during the runs made me laugh out loud. 😁
In my Lotus I increased the negative camber in the front compared to the rear (actually increased it ib the rear too but the balance is now to more aggressive front)
Also try changing change tire setup to 195 front 225 rear or 205 front 235 rear.
A great everyday tire on the Lotus except for the coldest conditions is the Yokohama AD08RR. It is more expensive but really good as well
paul i hate you for how much i love your porsche. aspiration. great video thanks guys! i freaking love the podcast as well.
Who needs the Top Gear test track when you have the Richardson Flat Park-N-Ride?
The in car view of 1 whole lap, rather than constant cuts to drone shots and in car shots did a lot more to tell me how hard you were driving. Kinda like how modern fight scenes are all jump cuts vs. Bruce Lee's continuous wide scenes.
My God, Paul... Your exhaust just sounds so good! I love how that GTS engine sounds.
That. Was. Amazing. ...Kudos gentlemen.
That last part in the phaeton made me seasick. Great video, not sure what I learned, but it was very entertaining.
Hilarious great fun! I still autocross a race modified 1990 Honda Accord 4dr automatic which isn't super fast but still very fun to slide around the cones!
JettaXL for the Silver medal? Must be the extra boost from the seat massagers.
Okay this was REAL fun to watch.
This was a seriously fun watch. I only wish I got to drive all 4 cars!
I need a big playground like this too! Thanks for the entertaining runs 😁
SCCA safety stewards are flinching. Those pylons, ugh.
Wow!! The cones are set up right next to the light pole?!?!?!
They're going so slow it doesn't matter
Cones are to tell which way to go around the poles
Lmao I feel like there is some tension here
I've loved this car since I looked at you. It's become a dream car.
Some big girls like to dance...
FYI the back seat view for the fastest lap makes it look like we just told our driver how late we are for the airport.
Your lotus really is beautiful. Its amazing what you csn get those for. Looks like such an expensive exotic car.
But.... Porsche 🤤
That Lotus sounds amazing.
So... that seemed like great fun!!!
By the end you can see the course in the parking lot :)
I have Nitto 555g2 on my VW CC. They are super grippy and handley.
Great work guys, keep it up 👍🏻
Great video you guys!
That looks so much fun. Did you feel a bit nauseous with all the body roll?
Firestone fire hawks 500 bad in cold weather!
Why have a Lotus and not have good tyres?? I have Yokohama Advan AD07 LTS on mine.
Can anyone explain what's the difference between "turn in" and "rotation"? In OZ the second word isn't in common use when describing handling.
Turn in refers to the car's initial response to steering input. Rotation refers to the way the entire car actually spins through the corner and where you can feel the center of rotation in the car. It's possible for a car to feel good in one area and not in another. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
I like your channel! So interesting!
I understand temperature plays a big role in tire grip. Looked cold for summer tires if there's snow on the ground.
That's the thing about Italian cars - on paper they are terrible in every way and all the metrics about them are awful. And yet, when you drive them, they just feel magical..... P.S. Not surprised the Phaeton won - with AWD, lots of torque and an automatic, you can just slingshot it out of corners, esp. on a tight course.
Nice episode, not sure about times but very nice
Best get you both seemed to really enjoy it next suvs
I would have preferred all in-car footage of your laps, because that last clip at the end was the only time it looked fast. From above and afar, there's no sense of speed.
Wait!! Even with AWD the VW Phaeton shouldn't beat out the Porsche. Were you guys babying the Porsche?
They did say that the Phaeton benefited from running last. It would have been interesting to have run the Lotus and Cayman again at the end, when they were more familiar with the course and it was cleaner. And maybe they did, off camera. After all, the video is really about the two leviathans.
I would totally do this with my own car.
While I love this idea, that course looks super dangerous. The course should be much much further away from those light posts and towards the insides of corners.
So is this like... just a parking lot in the middle of nowhere?
This was great 😂😂
I love this
The Indy 500s have more grip than the PS4 in an auto x event but you're going way to slow to get any heat in them. You gotta push a little.
Love the Phaeton videos, keep em coming!! Have owned 4 Phaetons in my family. Try it again with the traction control turned off and the trans in sport mode. Preload take off with a power brake can save a bit of time. You can also use a vag-com to lower the ride height to the euro spec instead of the na spec. If you have any questions about the car in the future, join us over here- forums.vwvortex.com/forumdisplay.php?112-Phaeton And just for fun- ruclips.net/video/3KcKgK2LXn8/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/0mZe72zy72o/видео.html
Ok but who does each car’s fastest time belong to? Are they all Todd’s? That’s important for understanding differences related to the driver
I ain't gonna lie gentlemen... I really wanna do this lol
awesome
What is this Granma Style Autocross? You are not pushing enough guys. Your exhausts are not screaming either!
Maybe you missed the giant poles throughout the parking lot? Pretty sure they mentioned on the podcast that they had to keep it around 8/10 because of that.
That GTS is calling my name much more than the Elise.
Go for Yokohamas on the Lotus! (Advan Apex V601)
Looks like fun but not a fan of the concrete lightposts....
C'mon you made up those lap times!
Take home lesson: track evolution.
Fantastic!! lol!
concrete slalom pylons is the dumbest thing! XD
Seems awfully dangerous
At 12:02, it appears there is a sad face on the Phaeton's screen. is that VW speak for "Check Engine"?
OMG, at 14:31 too! LOL! It really isn't happy.
Maybe you forgot the Maserati is italian, of course it handles great.
Why do the barriers by the start/finish look like massive cigarettes?
Is this over by Park City?
Todd & Paul... How painful is it to have those snowy mountains in the background all the time but not being able to go to your ski resort?
Oh save money for tires... i drive hard and the rears only last me about 3 months
Video blurb.
0:02, 5:30 Todd, your bad tires are making you come across like Eeyore quite frankly 😉
8:23, 10:13, 10:20, 12:40, 13:20, 14:00,
Ive seen novice autocrossers push their cars harder than this.
Well sure: Novice autocrossers don't know where the limits are. And they probably don't have concrete light poles in the course.
Wait. What.
No times or did I miss something?
Disliked the video due to the lame Porsche and lotus run. Didn’t care for it