Quattroporte and Phaeton - Cheap Sedan Road Trip - Big Sedan Challenge #5 | Everyday Driver
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Our cheap VW Phaeton and Maserati Quattroporte has been through a lot over this series, but it was time for a big road trip. Join us as we endure the broken and fear the unknowns to go 1,000 miles for our Big Sedan Challenge.
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I've had my 2004 Phaeton V8 for 11 years now, and it's carried me on many 500+ mile road trips in that time. Like any older luxury car, it will take as good care of you as you do of it. There have been a couple of larger issues over the years (the air struts needed replacing at about 107K miles), but mostly it's just needed routine maintenance. It's quiet, very comfortable, and the ride is still sublime. Even the ventilated seats still blow ice cold!
I believe you, dude. It's a good car and unfairly criticized. It's mostly because it's not cheap to maintain and mostly if it's an american version and because of its rarity, parts are scarce and thus expensive. It's just as expensive as using an S-class. A front bumper replacement of the newer models is around 2 grand or more.
The fancy suspension components are what I hate most about sedans. It seems like they could accomplish the goal without all the fragile technology.
@@Pirustae Late reply, but yeah, parts are expensive in the US but you can stumble into em around every corner in europe, you can buy a W12 engine for it for 4000 euro used with decent mileage.
This series has almost convinced me to get a Quattroporte...almost.
Do it you Will NEVER regret it!
Paddy McQueen until you walk outside into a pool of some unknown liquids 😂😂
Paddy McQueen Until you drive approximately 1 mile
@Denes Szerdahelyi don t waste your time responding to these chaps here... they probably never drove an italian car for more than a mile. Bad several alfa and maserati. Best cars ever had in my life.
Denes Szerdahelyi I thought bmws were expensive too. But then I found out about a site called FCP euro. They offer oem parts with a lifetime warranty and replacements. Even on wear n tear like brakes and filters. I bought all my parts once and diy most. Even if you bring to a shop it ain’t that bad
Did he really just say LS swap the Maserati? That 4.2L V8 is the crown jewel of that car. One of the best sounding engines of all time.
i find it very humbling that driving a used maserati sounds like a similar experience to driving my $500 mk4 jetta
He described how I feel when I drive my 05 ford 500 with 272,000 yeah it's got issues but nothing major and it's a blast to drive because it's so slow
@@TwoDollarGararge but ford cars are generally agile, aren't they?
Just had a short outing in our V8 2008 Phaeton. It’s a wonderful car, wickedly luxurious and great for cruising. Our garage says she is in great almost as new condition after 150,000 km. She needed new batteries recently after standing for many months unused, we once needed new coils, but otherwise she has no problems and we simply cannot afford to sell her on for peanuts even though she is a bit too expensive to run as a daily driver. Like this one the up and down electric steering adjust is broken, would cost 4000 Swiss francs to replace the unit. Otherwise a wonderfully complete and cosy luxury car. This review is so fair overall. These are amazing and totally underrated cars, you need to won one to understand just how great they are.
America: Sharp curves ahead
UK: Nice gentle sweepers
Finland: right hand cut. Bump. Splash. Left cut. 200 meters dont cut!
@@StratoArticA thats hilarious
In the USA, you go on a road trip for the sights along the way. In Europe, you go on a road trip for the roads.
Actually, you go on a road trip in Europe to get to a destination. Same as the USA. The awesome sights we have here are just icing on the cake. Europeans go ga-ga over the sights out West, just as any normal person would.
the roads and the sights are amazing in europe
@@lukastrljic4427 totally, as long as you avoid about 75% of europe.
Hint: Never adjust the rear-view mirror in a luxury car by hand until you are absolutely sure that it is not a electrical mirror - other ways the mirror will be broken.
@Mr. Cairo and w210
Wait..I just know cars that have an automatically dimming rear view mirror. So it doesn't go up or down if you could get blinded it just darkens the glass.
@@chriskonte1909 The rear view mirror on the P. is electrically adjustable through a switch like a side mirror, I think it's on the center console. Why? Because VW engineers, and because its cool. Which is pretty much the main reason why the Phaeton and every part of it has even been invented in the first place. And that's also why it's cool (at least to an engineer or a tech freak).
@@unmountablebootvolume it's cool to watch videos of on RUclips. It's the opposite of cool to own and maintain one. Ask me how I know..
Volkswagen Phaeton: Comfortably numb
Buying a Maserati - A momentary lapse of reason
Peter Bustin lol good one
@@peterbustin2683 old Maserati shits on the new ones
Love that the Phaeton plates read JettaXL 😆
The road to villa/country border comparison was great :)
Not changing a low cost belt is just Insane to me.
I love the vanity plates you guys opted for. Well done!
Keeper quote of the video: "Smells like Maserati"
Nice video. VW Phaeton is the vehicle I would choose for that trip.
The first thing I did when I bought my Phaeton, 2 years ago this week, was to drive it from Indy to Bend, Oregon. Paul is right: 100 mph is an absolute non-event.
Also, the A/C is absolutely phenomenal. You could hang sides of meat in there.
I mean.... I paid for the whole speedometer; i want to use as much of it as I can.
How is the car holding up now and is maintenance expensive on it
@@itsintheword2818
Well, it started overheating on me last March, so I bit the bullet and got a lot of things done at once. New timing belt, pulleys, tensioner
New water pump
Blueprinted injectors
New RS coil packs
New filters
Trans oil changed
New rotors all around
Lowered 35mm with links
Couple other things
About 3,000 dollars all told.
It's still very reliable. And I don't have a car payment.
@@theprojectproject01 ...not having a car payment is huge. I'm just sceptical about the maintenance..I see one where I live that has just over 100 ,000 miles on it
@@itsintheword2818 Take a serious look at it. I bought mine at 100K, so everything I've said would apply to your case. Mine just rolled over 130, and I'm gonna keep it as long as I can.
Finding a good independent mechanic is key. If I were you, I'd find one in your area before I went and bought the car. And insist on a prepurchase inspection.
"I don't want to move it because I don't want something to come off in my hand" LOL! I'm loving this Big Sedan series.
I have a 98 A8 4.2, that I figure is a lot like the pheaton, its really a beautiful car. On the highway its so smooth and relaxed. And despite what I thought, we have not been hit with anything crazy repair wise. Great great cars , the anxiety that something expensive will break is real though
I bought a very well maintained 2001 S8 D2 2 weeks ago and I'm really happy with the car overall
I have to admit that I'm one who was/is always paranoid to every new squeak, squeal, or hesitation when I'm traveling, even when I drove a brand new VW every 2-3 years. But in 47 years of driving, the only time I had a major problem was in a Mustang driving back to college in NW Arkansas after a visit to my parents. Late 70s, Sunday afternoon, on I40 about 60 miles from Fort Smith (destination Fayetteville, another 50 miles or so). The car suddenly began to run really rough, could not drive more than 30MPH. Could not find any place open. Fortunately it limped all the way back to school but I was worn out from the anxiety! My VWs, the only problem I had on a road trip was in a Golf. Just topped off oil when I got gas; got a sudden check engine light. Pulled over, took a look at engine and found I'd left the oil filler cap off and was still sitting in top of the engine cover. Put it back on, check engine went off.
If you like the A8, and want comfortable- get a Phaeton. An A8 is NOT as good, doesn't matter the year. Look up Phaeton chassis rigidity. Look up the SSP on Phaeton suspension...and all the other Phaeton SSP for that matter.
I bought an 04 Phaeton with 21k in o7 and I totally agree with your comment about nothing has surpassed it I absolutely loved mine.
As I work my way toward becoming an Everyday Driver aficionado I am arriving at a conclusion, that this specific video may be the best one with regards to the editing banter between Todd and Paul. For example, Todd makes some commentary about how Paul is barely awake and then it cuts to Paul yawning and shaking his head...masterful. This offering has a such a sense of fun and friendship and being about the journey. Well done gentlemen! Again, one of my personal favorites.
Glad you enjoyed it. We have more of these big road trip videos coming with our latest long-term cars (300zx and 928). No matter what, we're glad to have you watching!
People also say horrible things about the V10 M5/M6 but with 121k miles, I am still doing rolling burnouts and 180mph pulls "in Mexico" and it has been good to me since I bought it for $11k two years ago. One of the freeing things is that the worst thing that can happen is it blows up and I end up parting it out to recoup most of the money. I maintain it properly but I don't have to really care enough to go easy on it. I drive it like a maniac every time I get in it and it loves it.
I bought a $3,700 02 Sequoia with 260,000 miles on it two years ago. It now has 310,000 and the CEL came on for a vaping fuel filler tube. Beyond throwing new tires, brakes, battery, fluids at it after purchase, i've just done basic maintenance. I've taken it to Michigan and Florida from Kansas with no sweat and no stress. It's an amazing machine.
Been following this channel for years and I'm still captivated by the videos like I'm watching you guys for the first time. Your style is so special and for me, hasn't been replicated by other car people on RUclips. So many videos I find myself wanting to be in the cars you're driving on the same roads. Now I want to road trip in my Civic.
We’re glad you’ve bee watching for a while and still feel this way. We consider your thoughts huge compliments! Thank you.
@@EverydayDriver You're welcome! Thanks for the great car enthusiast videos! And the reply I wasn't expecting that. Thank you.
You guys mentioned gong for top speed- be aware the Phaeton is artificially limited very low unless you tune the ECU. The car is capable (and happier) the faster you go...but you have to delimit it.
Yeah, it's limited to 155 IIRC but was built to cruise at 190+. Really crazy how well engineered that thing was and how much they dumped into the R&D of it.
It’s actually limited to 130mph on cars originally sold in the States. This is due to them being sold with all season tires when new
"the ignore the noises game" is how my Passat W8 with 260k miles has been living the past few years 🤣
My W8 is at 209k and doing the same! 😂 I try to give her whatever she wants
Considering that I just bout an ‘04 Phaeton with 112,000 on the clock a few days ago... I am excited to see the car do so well on a long trip without any issues
You'll likely have lots of excitement.
It still amazes me that the VW hasn't forced Todd to take out a second mortgage! and that anxiety Paul feels about the Maserati is palpable. You can see it in his eyes. Great episode fellas!
Re: the steering wheel adjustment motor, I had the same problem recently. But I realized eventually that it actually >was< working, just suuuuuper sloowwwwly. You almost can’t detect it, but it would take several minutes to go through the full range of motion. Give it a try. Interestingly, after I did that it fixed itself and now works normally, which is another weird thing with the Phaeton-it seems to heal itself.
Is it me? Or when you have a older car and just enough extra money or you save enough money to add those new tires, or get the A/C working, put new hoses clamps, wiper motor what ever it needs or something you added like a better entertainment or paint all of a sudden the car becomes your baby and you just fall deeper in love. I had back in 1990 a 1986 Chevy Sprint 3 cyl. In excellent condition for a winter beater. I put my 63 Lincoln and 83 GT Conv Stang away. I only planned to drive it for a few months. 60K miles and $700 I paid. I kept that car for 4 seasons and continued to drive it all year round paying $3 a week in fuel. I loved that Car put 48K on it and sold it for $1400. I had recovered the seats and did a little rust repair and painted the rims and the people who bought it just loved it. I kicked myself for selling it when I still seen it on the road 3 years later. These were friends of a friend. I love Todd when it lets his masculinity down it always makes me laugh. I think Paul and Todd are Perfect as a Team!
Old luxury cars can be the perfect road trip cars, as long as they are well maintained! 2009 Hyundai Genesis here - 285,000 miles and nearly perfect.
I have always loved both of these. I almost bought the W12 when it came out because I recognized the commitment VW put into it. We were living in Wiesbaden at the time and I was really excited. But in the end I got the 740iL. Believe it or not it was the Color of the interior that made the decision. 👍😁🙃
E38 was an amazing machine! But that m62 engine is trash with the plastic chain guides
just purchased a 2002 Lexus Gs300 really wanted to go with Lexus for luxury and reliability....the last quote about the road trip experience, truly inspiring, I hope I'll create some good memories
I bought a 2000 chrysler cirrus for $350 with 246k miles on it at the time, now with close to 310k, that I would trust over either of these cars ANY day.
This has been the best series besides the TV show they do because it makes you wonder maybe these cars aren't as crazy and unpredictable as people makes them out to be.
Glad you’re enjoying it. Thank you for watching!
I am here for the phaeton. But the Maserati makes me feel like I need the phaeton
Love this video. Reminds me of my 560SEL Merc. Much more like a classic car wich significantly less miles than either of those two, but still the same mix of easy and comfort sprinkled with the extra bit of ‘will something break’ angst. So far, nothing ever did during a drive, but I had my share of repairs. Then again, It’s a 31 year-old car.
Keep this up. Love these episodes.
Have a 99 W140 and those are very nice in road trips too.
Old Benzes are unbreakable as long *as you do your preventative maintenance.* I'm on my third W124 and i'd drive it anywhere in a heartbeat. (OK, it needs new tires because I bike commute and have done for 5 years!)
I love my car!
@@mogumede8211 yes, preventative maintenance is the key. I have another 1993 W201, 2.3 with 315000 miles and still drive it weekly. I used to have a 1995 W124 E320 but sold it.
Just did 650 miles across France in a 2002 Merc CL500 at nearly 30mpg. I'd like to have joined your roadtrip. No lights nothing broke.
Always liked them both but I actually looked for a Phaeton a few years back.
I looked, then I remembered it was a VW and decided not to get into the cost or maintaining it
The way he describes how nice that cruise is in that Phaeton...you'd think it was built on a Bentley platform or somethin...! Haha
You guys should do reviews of their big brothers, the Phaeton W12 and the Quattroporte Sport GT-S.
“LS swap the Maserati” ok Paul, I know I’m weird, but I hate how LS engines feel to drive. The engine/gearbox is the only aspect of the Maserati that intrigues me.
Agreed. There are so many cars that feel engaging and special to drive, but how many attainable cars come with a Ferrari-derived V8? I have long thought about about putting that V8 into a different car and scrapping the rest of the Maserati, not the other way around.
At that point just get a ctsv or a chevy ss lol
While I fully agree with you on the engine, I would always spend the extra money to get the eight speed in one of these. That F1 transmission is horrific. Everyone I’ve driven has been that way. And I totally agree, LS engines are overplayed and not very nice.
i have a phaeton 2012 ( 31000 m on clock) it does not miss a beat - i have driven it only on long distances which is why i bought - its wonderful on the motorway just gobbles up the motorway everything works - i have added a dab radio - had it 2 years this october
Maserati all the way. I just love the style of this barge over any S class, 7 series or A8 but I would be shitting bricks over the long term maintenance of this beast.
It would actually cost less to maintain the Maserati
Right after buying my Phaeton, I drove 4000 miles in Europe in a month. Nothing broke:) Fantastic car.
Later I had to get a new rear door because someone drove into it. The insurance paid 4800 USD for that. Not including all the interior. You really don't want things to break on a Phaeton.
I remember reading as many car reviews as I could find on the Phaeton when it first came out. The one that stood out was a review of the car experience on the German Autobahn, and the reviewer was praising it for the ease at which it ate up the miles at high speed. It was effortless and extremely comfortable. I still like the Phaeton's look, just so German! Now, I have to admit that the Maserati's design makes it still look like a late model car, not one that's over fifteen years old. Very sleek and sexy, very Italian
Yep. The entire point of the Phaeton was to be the best possible high speed Autobahn cruiser, and when it came out it basically was.
Found your channel recently and LOVE you guys and also the series you put together with these cars! I would absolutely love to drive a Phaeton, I never got a chance to but definitely remember when they were new and oh so expensive. So cool you are giving these away! Cheers, Rich.
This cast is just great, loved it. Can't waiting for the next videos with Maserati ! :-)
I'm literally so happy you made it!
"I have a check engine light. That's because it's a Volkswagen." :D
Sounds more bmw esque....
As usual great video. Greets from Poland.
4000 rpm at 85 is a straight fail for a GT
Not really. There's something about the US where we simply *hate* high rpms, even in so-called performance cars. We may geek out over a car that has a 15k redline, but we want to *drive* at about 1500rpm or we're apprehensive.
I agree. That’s insane for a modern car. Higher rpm = higher maintenance and lower fuel economy. I guess that’s how they do it in Italy? Or “if you can afford a Maserati you can afford the maintenance”?
Eh, on the Maserati the engine doesn't make a lot of power down low, so it's geared to keep the RPM's higher to keep it in the powerband. Same goes with my BMW, it has a small inline 6 that needs to rev to make power so it's geared to spin at 3500 at 85.
Keep in mind flat-plane crank V8s don't start making power really until they are above 3-4k RPM, including the Shelby GT350 which will also cruise at higher RPMs. Think of it like a honda 4 cylinder that is designed to take that kind of load for long periods of time.
@@epbrown01 Shelby GT350 is a notable exception here.
Beautiful scenery!
That part were he said sharp corners and not quite doubling it I doubled it today just cruising that way. Haha
Even if you maintained both of these, surprise expensive repairs will still be there
This long-term review is fantastic. Great cars! I love me some VW and the looks of that Maserati, perfect.
I love my Volkswagens, what I wouldn’t give for a Phaeton!! 🤤🤤🤤 I search for them all the time, literally my dream car. I will hopefully own one one day!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 love this and this road trip, subscribed so I can see more when it comes out, phaeton ALLLLL day 😍😍
A VW thinks it's running lean... yeah, been there, done that. LOL!
Y’all should of gotten the e38. For handling and composure and blend of sportiness with luxury, it cannot be beat in that era
I love the Phaeton, all the small details and gimmicks. I'm opting to buy one with lpg, since fuel is pretty expensive in Germany. It's just hard to find one out of good hands with trusty service history.
Is the LPG tank a separate tank?
Get the TDI!
The V10 is nightmare to maintain, but miracle to drive, and the milage is amazing, doing a 160km daily commute on a highway (at the mentioned non-event speeds) and it still uses "only" 8-9L/100kmh
The V6 is easier on the wallet for maintenance, but not much better on fuel.
I'd get a V6 TDI after the first facelift. No enormous issues like the V10 plus they're really common. And LPG is always a meh idea aftermarket because it burns at higher temps than gas.
@@vincentchazal3895 agree! Though every engine has its own demons, the difference is trouble and expense fixing it. I had to retire the first V10 after 380 000km, hoping the second one won't be the same case, 290k now.
@@anzew88 lol that's the highest I've ever heard. What spec is yours? Do you have a 4 or 5 seater?
Love this road trip. It’s so entertaining.
Just love this series. do more of "old" cars. SAAB 9-5? keep up the good work. :)
I'll admit, I LOL'ed at the Maserati's plate number when I finally saw it.
I owned a W8 VW Passat I drove it for five years put 10867miles and took it to a VW dealer ones every two months never had a problems loved these car
I see what you did there. 6x/yr dealership visits.
So you put 2k mi/yr and went to the dealer 30x? You're joking, right?
I had the opportunity to drive a Phaeton 4.2 brand new, must have been around 2005, it is the most underestimated luxury sedan in my opinion. I might just buy one.
Loving this series, can't wait for the next episode!
I remember being impressed with the Phaeton. And even looked at used cars...but not SERIOUSLY looking at used cars. Boring looks, but seems capable enough. Ultimately. I bought a used SUV which seems more practical, gets better gas mileage, and has Less people room and fair cargo room (2010 Santa Fe) and fair exceleration (7.2 sec 0-60). I probably will never gp back to a normal car...and ive driven an 89 Acura Integra. 84 Dodge Daytona turbo 1, 86 Olds Cutlass, 72 Impala, 90 Camry, 69 C10 (327 v8), 05 Chevy Blazer, and my Hyundai.
Once you go SUV, why go back? 😂
Great video! Love the scenery. I can't believe these cars still work!
The Phaeton is gorgeous.
Almost everyone who criticizes Maserati never owned one. Quattroporte is an awesome car, one of the best cars I owned, despite what some people said, very reliable
First time watcher, this a brilliant style, thinking a quatrapote, crazy purchase used but fun to think about.
You should post the directions for the road trip you took. The scenery was wonderful!
The audio is great on this! What brand and model Lav mics are those?
Love the channel, personally I would have gone with a D2 S8, best of both worlds wrapped in aluminum.
Try using Thermalweld for the head gasket, worked great on my Northstar inside of my 99 Eldorado
I want a VW Phaeton so bad now!!
Awesome vid guys! We can feel that anxiety hahaha
Love the custom plates!
even though it's a divided four-lane limited access interstate, route 70 from it's western terminus, which i assume was close but not exactly where they got on, to denver is a beautiful drive.
it's not always the case, but i was grinning through most of this video. good one!
Such a fantastic choice of cars! Love them. Both have wonderful interiors. And the Maserati is so good looking. I would choose the maserati everyday, between this one and a tacky Mercedes model year 2020.
Hahaha "low lever anxiety... did the trans just struggle? Is that a new squeak?..."
I know the feeling since I ownened my first Phaeton. But now I got to the point I use it for daily commute (100 miles/day).
Love these cars!
Btw if you need any (non engine) parts for the Phaeton, just hit me up, I'm parting out my first Phaeton, but it's a diesel.
Quattroporte is a reliable car and a good one too.
I love that Quattroporte. I dream of them
Love you guys... but why are we always riding in the left lane? Is this a function of being in the left to film the other car that's in the right?
LOVE THIS SERIESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
They’re talking about being concerned of driving these cars and I drove a $50 1988 Toyota Camry on a 800+ mile road trip for the heck of it
Love the plates on both cars! LOL
18:47 JETTAXL 😂
Great video. Thank you guys. I needed this little respite. Be well.
Interesting you ask why we haven’t moved on.....and I ask the same question. My first BMW was a 1996 5 Series Touring and I believe it was a better built and riding car than my last BMW, a 2016 3 Series Touring. And the ‘96 Touring had twice the miles on it.
You guys are the best. Keep it up love your 🎥
For full experience comparison,you should've added Lexus LS460. But then,it would've been flawless and put the rest of the two for shame, right?
Love the license plates !
Great choices on vanity plates, fellas.
It is common for the oil cooler on the Phaeton to start leaking and sadly it is an engine out service to replace at about $3500.00
This is such a good episode. I just bought a cheep r50 mini that has been perfect and I love it. I have to sell it and it's going to be a sad good bye. Cheep good cars with bad reputations ftw
I needed a cheap car, i work doing appliance deliveries, i ask a customer for a parked phaeton if he wanted to sell it, he said give me $3,000 and its yours, i went running to the bank, came back, handed him the cash, it happens that its a second owner car whit only 65,000 miles, clean car fax, new tires, new bateries, only issue it has is paint damage, from being in the sun, i took the car from N. carolina to new york and back, twice, and the car is perfect, so i took it to a great mechanic shop for maintanance, all breaks, rotors , pats, labor $1,300, cabin filters,engine filters, gas filters, $224, engine belt, $167, they recomended doing timing belt at a cost of $1,747 labor included, and spark plugs $344 labor included, so by the time i paint the car and up grate the stereo ($600) to be able to play my iphone or some tablet for entretaiment, i declare my car the cheapest phaenton in the country, lets see how long will last!
I always giggle when i see an older generation quattroporte on the road actually driving. I get curious to know about what level of insane the driver or owner is
You brave heroes.
ok, the phaeton might be boring to look at, but gods the maserati is fugly af
Phaeton is, for all intent and purpose, is a Bentley with a different badge: US$5000 for a 212mph car - which other car can give you that sort of value for money?
Surprised nobody has figured out how to manualize the Cambiocorsa in the Maserati.