Nice on Ian! I've finally started listening to the podcast. Not sure why it took me 8 years, but I fell like I'm finally ready to tackle mastering properly.
Great video Ian. It's nice to see everything come together. I also want to give you credit for how you, unlike many other videos, managed to in an an easy and understandable way explain some acoustic phenomena that you want to take care of. Like, node and how and why bass frequencies tend to build up in a corner. Many other videos I've watched haven't been able to describe this in an understandable fashion. Many people seems to me like that what it to be more complicated than it actually is. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's not rocket science. Hats of for you Ian! Keep it up!
Hey Ian. Thanks a lot for making these videos. Quick note, Rigid fiberglass like the OC 703 and 705 is actually stiff, not fluffy. It's similar in effectiveness but easier to work with because it holds shape.
Here in the US we have Owens 703 Special order or Rockwool, Rockwool is more commonly used because of price as of today Rockwool is about 15.00 a bag and 703 is 67.00 plus 50 for shipping.
Hi Ian,nice video, thanks for sharing! Actually, your idea with the panels at the center is good, but it's more useful for recording session than for mastering. With some acoustic instruments inside the room, being recorded, that would be better to balance the reflections between half and the second third of the room. For mastering the focus goes more to early reflections and issues with the back. Basically this, I think, congrats! 🔊🎶👏☺
Owens Corning 703 is made out of fiber glass and it is different from rockwool which is made of rigid mineral wool. Roxul Rockboard 60 is the equivalent of Owens Corning 703 the rockboard is easier to cut and safer to handle since the fiber in owens corning can cause irritation to ones hands.
I know that I'm a little late to the party. Could this series be applied to a mixing / listening room as well? Thank you for sharing your time and expertise. Peter
And: For your case you should also think of disposable aborbers directy behind you taking away the that amound of sound which is not taken away by your body and would hit the wall. This helps you to get around some issues cause by this too small room. I would place them at that point where the window (left) and the door (right) end and form a line.
Maybe unusual. But reasonable. Most of the sound coming from the monitors hits a place somewhere in beneath the corners, especially the high freqs. This is the number one place to treat. BTW it is not that unusuall as I found today, another producer of sound modules has a video exactly showing a diffuser closely behind the listener.
GIK panels are excellent, I used one of the room kits for my own studio! I don't know about the UK division but in the states they offer ceiling mount kits now that make putting up clouds a breeze. Do you plan on adding any diffusion to your room?
Hi Ian. Seeing the size constraints of your space, have you considered, after trapping, using ARC? I've found it a God-send. Really enjoying the vids. Thanks
Hey Ian, great videos. I have a question. How important is the vertical placement of the monitors. I noticed yours in the video were quite low compared to most setups.
Hi Great video! Hey! I have a question about bass from speakers in home studio that unfortunately disturbs the neighbor below me. Living in a house from the 20th century with wooden floors. How do I handle it. It is responsive in the house, but it has a lot of absorbers in the room where I sit, which slightly dampens. The song is not heard very much but it is more bass frequencies, (everything from as low as 20 up to 150 I think) Do you have any good ideas that can contribute to a much lower sound down the floor from the speakers? The loudspeakers now stand on a stand with an absorbent between speaker and stand in metal. Incidentally, would I also be able to use a stone plate, 60x60 cm between speaker and stand, between stand and floor, will it also help? I will avoid building a floating floor. Grateful for answers // Peter
I went to GIK for my acoustic treatments as well … they are very nice to work with. While I had mechanical limitations that kept me from suspending a cloud overhead, the corner TriTraps along with 244s at the first reflection points on the sides made a huge difference in the usability of my room. One query: your mockup shows only one trap in each corner, rather than stacking them two high to reach the ceiling as I did. Was that at GIK's suggestion? Or is your ceiling perhaps a little too low for a stack?
Glenn Kuras I see. Yes, that matches with my recollections of the recommended configuration, thanks Glenn! And I can add that, even with the horrible dimensions of my control room (12' x 12' with an 8' ceiling) and the issues with hanging anything overhead, those stacked front corner traps plus the pair of 244s at the reflection points on the sides have transformed the sound of my room more dramatically than I had ever dared to hope for at the outset. I'm confident that Ian's going to report the same thing when he is done.
hi thank you for videos. i am producing music and want ot build a home studio in a shed of decent enough size, i will do some basic mastering in it but will hand to a professional masterer for final product, so would it be essential for what i wnbat to do in my studio to be to go to the lenthgs that you have done with the double walls and floor insulation etc or just home kit in a shed that will be plasterboard with standart sound insulation between the walls? thankyou
Thank you for the video and guidance.There's a room on the roof top of my apartment,it's mostly like your room,with another window similary on the other side of room.The roof has like 30' angel.The are aluminium doors in left and right side of the lady picture in the room,on of them has a window next to it.No plane wall!Do you think it could be the room?
Oh ok ignore my comment in part one about that small window being by the first reflection point,you are the other way round. But it looks like you have a big window behind your monitors like me. Have you noticed any issues with that?
***** Thanks Ian ive got to stop asking questions before the videos up!, Good to know your reasons for lowering the speakers especially considering they are infront of a similar size window as well. A friend of mine built my stands and accidentally made them a few cm's too high :( Looks like i can't get away with it. Im building my traps and only have first reflections and a couple corners up so far. Really useful seeing the importance of the cloud and those mondos in a similar home set up. :) Thank you for the videos.
i highly recommend experimenting not fixing it in a program design. Of course no absorbed vs absorbents , no brainer , but position of them can deviate from perfect design to youre specific room , so experiment . Sealing thing is probably the best advice , but same thing for the bottom , if you dont have a carpet use one
Regarding 7:42 : The reflection points are totally wrong. Please have allok at the 30 angle of the monitors. The frist point will be at the side walls in your long room and even the second points will be. In generall you should have shortend the room by approaching the rear wall as close to the rear window as possible, fill it with rock wool and thus avoid the 2:1 modes issue. Instead of read absorbers, use diffusers. And place them non parally towards the wall.
Hello Ian. Brilliant series by the way. Love your YT channel. A question or two if I may. At what distance from the floor and what gap size from the wall did you place your panels. And, what gap size from the ceiling in so far as your cloud panels are concerned. Thank you for sharing your time and experience with us. Much appreciated. Peter
Thanks Ian, really helpful. I enjoyed your mastering course last year too. My room is roughly the same size as yours, but as I have a recording booth at one end I sit close to a corner at the other end. One monitor is about 700mm from a corner and the other is about a third of the way along the longest wall. Mackie HR824 Mk2 monitors have some individual adjustments for bass response, etc, any suggestions on balancing things up for accurate monitoring? Thanks.
***** Yes that sounds like a good idea - the problem is, there's a door at the end of the room. I'm facing the longest wall, with my corner-most speaker just under a metre from the end wall. Behind be is a bookshelf with staggered books - reminds me of one of the bass traps I've seen. I'm thinking of a way I can graphically diagnose the frequency responses for a bunch of common frequencies, and adjust audio damping position and thickness on my left (end wall) to balance the Left and Right speaker responses out.
Ian, thanks for your videos - they helped me a a lot! What is your opinion about the dome shape of the studio? I am going to build my studio on my land and have heard that the dome shape gives best sound for monitoring because there is no corners. What is your opinion about that?
sorry i meant to say, i make electronic music, the only live recording i do is recording objects with a mic , no live instruements or anything. i use keyboards but through the computer , so my needs would be for basic mixing and basic mastering but i will send my final copies to a pro to master, thank you kindly, good channel by the way
***** hey thank you ian for the reply! great stuff, i will follow that so, its a wood shed and my neighbours are ok but it would be best to do the more insulation then i reckon!!
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Good effort... But this is definitely not appropriate for Mastering. Even most of the Mixing Rooms will have more treatment and more bass trapping... How u gonna Master those Mixes if your Room is worse?
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Why is there a girl standing in the room? Are you a woman with a man's voice?
Nice on Ian! I've finally started listening to the podcast. Not sure why it took me 8 years, but I fell like I'm finally ready to tackle mastering properly.
Thanks Ian. I’m in The process of redoing my studio and found this super helpful.
Great video Ian. It's nice to see everything come together. I also want to give you credit for how you, unlike many other videos, managed to in an an easy and understandable way explain some acoustic phenomena that you want to take care of. Like, node and how and why bass frequencies tend to build up in a corner. Many other videos I've watched haven't been able to describe this in an understandable fashion. Many people seems to me like that what it to be more complicated than it actually is. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's not rocket science. Hats of for you Ian! Keep it up!
Very interesting and timely info for me.. Can't wait for the before and after sound clips!
Hey Ian. Thanks a lot for making these videos.
Quick note, Rigid fiberglass like the OC 703 and 705 is actually stiff, not fluffy. It's similar in effectiveness but easier to work with because it holds shape.
I'm glued to these videos, Ian. Did you ever think of calling Studio SOS? ;)
Here in the US we have Owens 703 Special order or Rockwool, Rockwool is more commonly used because of price as of today Rockwool is about 15.00 a bag and 703 is 67.00 plus 50 for shipping.
wonderful video. really enjoy your channel. keep giving us great info.
we're checking out the gik panels now. thanks
You're my hero, Ian! These vids are ace! :)
Hi Ian,nice video, thanks for sharing! Actually, your idea with the panels at the center is good, but it's more useful for recording session than for mastering. With some acoustic instruments inside the room, being recorded, that would be better to balance the reflections between half and the second third of the room. For mastering the focus goes more to early reflections and issues with the back. Basically this, I think, congrats! 🔊🎶👏☺
Did you consider having the two side panels turned horizontally? That should get you better coverage at ear level in the mix position.
My ceiling ascends from the wall. Should my cloud panel ascend, rising with the ceiling or should it just be at one level?
Owens Corning 703 is made out of fiber glass and it is different from rockwool which is made of rigid mineral wool.
Roxul Rockboard 60 is the equivalent of Owens Corning 703 the rockboard is easier to cut and safer to handle since the fiber in owens corning can cause irritation to ones hands.
No problem sir you have provided us with a lot of great information just want our folks here in the states to know what to look for
I know that I'm a little late to the party. Could this series be applied to a mixing / listening room as well? Thank you for sharing your time and expertise. Peter
Thank you so much for this, some invaluable advice.
And: For your case you should also think of disposable aborbers directy behind you taking away the that amound of sound which is not taken away by your body and would hit the wall. This helps you to get around some issues cause by this too small room. I would place them at that point where the window (left) and the door (right) end and form a line.
Unusual suggestions.
Maybe unusual. But reasonable. Most of the sound coming from the monitors hits a place somewhere in beneath the corners, especially the high freqs. This is the number one place to treat. BTW it is not that unusuall as I found today, another producer of sound modules has a video exactly showing a diffuser closely behind the listener.
Thank you, this was very educational and useful! :)
GIK panels are excellent, I used one of the room kits for my own studio! I don't know about the UK division but in the states they offer ceiling mount kits now that make putting up clouds a breeze. Do you plan on adding any diffusion to your room?
Hi Ian. Seeing the size constraints of your space, have you considered, after trapping, using ARC? I've found it a God-send. Really enjoying the vids. Thanks
I found ARC to be quite poor in it's results in comparison to Dirac Live. I recommend checking our Dirac. They have a 14 day trial.
Hey Ian, great videos. I have a question. How important is the vertical placement of the monitors. I noticed yours in the video were quite low compared to most setups.
Cool thanks. I'm using some behringer 2031p with dampening mods. Off axis response is pretty damn good so I suppose I'm fine.
is there a final part of this series? Part 4? ;-)
***** Awesome, thanks a lot for all your videos .. You're doing a great job sir!! :-)
Hi
Great video!
Hey!
I have a question about bass from speakers in home studio that unfortunately disturbs the neighbor below me. Living in a house from the 20th century with wooden floors.
How do I handle it. It is responsive in the house, but it has a lot of absorbers in the room where I sit, which slightly dampens.
The song is not heard very much but it is more bass frequencies, (everything from as low as 20 up to 150 I think)
Do you have any good ideas that can contribute to a much lower sound down the floor from the speakers?
The loudspeakers now stand on a stand with an absorbent between speaker and stand in metal.
Incidentally, would I also be able to use a stone plate, 60x60 cm between speaker and stand, between stand and floor, will it also help?
I will avoid building a floating floor.
Grateful for answers
// Peter
I went to GIK for my acoustic treatments as well … they are very nice to work with. While I had mechanical limitations that kept me from suspending a cloud overhead, the corner TriTraps along with 244s at the first reflection points on the sides made a huge difference in the usability of my room. One query: your mockup shows only one trap in each corner, rather than stacking them two high to reach the ceiling as I did. Was that at GIK's suggestion? Or is your ceiling perhaps a little too low for a stack?
Glenn Kuras I see. Yes, that matches with my recollections of the recommended configuration, thanks Glenn! And I can add that, even with the horrible dimensions of my control room (12' x 12' with an 8' ceiling) and the issues with hanging anything overhead, those stacked front corner traps plus the pair of 244s at the reflection points on the sides have transformed the sound of my room more dramatically than I had ever dared to hope for at the outset. I'm confident that Ian's going to report the same thing when he is done.
hi thank you for videos. i am producing music and want ot build a home studio in a shed of decent enough size, i will do some basic mastering in it but will hand to a professional masterer for final product, so would it be essential for what i wnbat to do in my studio to be to go to the lenthgs that you have done with the double walls and floor insulation etc or just home kit in a shed that will be plasterboard with standart sound insulation between the walls? thankyou
Thank you for the video and guidance.There's a room on the roof top of my apartment,it's mostly like your room,with another window similary on the other side of room.The roof has like 30' angel.The are aluminium doors in left and right side of the lady picture in the room,on of them has a window next to it.No plane wall!Do you think it could be the room?
+Ian Shepherd That's what I had in mind.I'm just gonna take the first steps.
Oh ok ignore my comment in part one about that small window being by the first reflection point,you are the other way round. But it looks like you have a big window behind your monitors like me. Have you noticed any issues with that?
*****
Thanks Ian ive got to stop asking questions before the videos up!, Good to know your reasons for lowering the speakers especially considering they are infront of a similar size window as well. A friend of mine built my stands and accidentally made them a few cm's too high :( Looks like i can't get away with it. Im building my traps and only have first reflections and a couple corners up so far. Really useful seeing the importance of the cloud and those mondos in a similar home set up. :) Thank you for the videos.
Are the speakers going to be placed below the ear level?
Great Tutorials THANKS!
i highly recommend experimenting not fixing it in a program design. Of course no absorbed vs absorbents , no brainer , but position of them can deviate from perfect design to youre specific room , so experiment . Sealing thing is probably the best advice , but same thing for the bottom , if you dont have a carpet use one
Regarding 7:42 : The reflection points are totally wrong. Please have allok at the 30 angle of the monitors. The frist point will be at the side walls in your long room and even the second points will be. In generall you should have shortend the room by approaching the rear wall as close to the rear window as possible, fill it with rock wool and thus avoid the 2:1 modes issue. Instead of read absorbers, use diffusers. And place them non parally towards the wall.
Sorry, I completely disagree with all this, and so do GIK, who make the panels.
Hello Ian. Brilliant series by the way. Love your YT channel. A question or two if I may. At what distance from the floor and what gap size from the wall did you place your panels. And, what gap size from the ceiling in so far as your cloud panels are concerned. Thank you for sharing your time and experience with us. Much appreciated. Peter
what was the answer to your questions i need to know too thanks
Thanks Ian, really helpful. I enjoyed your mastering course last year too. My room is roughly the same size as yours, but as I have a recording booth at one end I sit close to a corner at the other end. One monitor is about 700mm from a corner and the other is about a third of the way along the longest wall. Mackie HR824 Mk2 monitors have some individual adjustments for bass response, etc, any suggestions on balancing things up for accurate monitoring? Thanks.
*****
Yes that sounds like a good idea - the problem is, there's a door at the end of the room. I'm facing the longest wall, with my corner-most speaker just under a metre from the end wall. Behind be is a bookshelf with staggered books - reminds me of one of the bass traps I've seen. I'm thinking of a way I can graphically diagnose the frequency responses for a bunch of common frequencies, and adjust audio damping position and thickness on my left (end wall) to balance the Left and Right speaker responses out.
Great videos Ian, thanks for sharing! Is your listening position at 2/3 of the room? And is it wise to place the speakers in front of the basstraps?
***** Does that also apply for nearfield monitors?
Ian, thanks for your videos - they helped me a a lot! What is your opinion about the dome shape of the studio? I am going to build my studio on my land and have heard that the dome shape gives best sound for monitoring because there is no corners. What is your opinion about that?
Thank you Ian!
Good video... i have almost the same room, and i find the flutter echo really annoying, hope you can tell me you have that problem too.
Sorry for my bad english haha what i meant to say is:
Do you have the same flutter issue?
Thank you for the response.
So, flutter is gone at the listening position after you installed the panels?
Thank you for the answer!!!
What's the dimension of the room?
sorry i meant to say, i make electronic music, the only live recording i do is recording objects with a mic , no live instruements or anything. i use keyboards but through the computer , so my needs would be for basic mixing and basic mastering but i will send my final copies to a pro to master, thank you kindly, good channel by the way
*****
hey thank you ian for the reply! great stuff, i will follow that so, its a wood shed and my neighbours are ok but it would be best to do the more insulation then i reckon!!
U Have add to my knowledge thanks
Nice video, thx man.
how much did that cost?
hi, what is your room size??
Thanks man!
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@@laurabrown6073 Thank you very much, I will add these aswell 👌🏾 Appreciated ✌🏽
Good effort... But this is definitely not appropriate for Mastering.
Even most of the Mixing Rooms will have more treatment and more bass trapping...
How u gonna Master those Mixes if your Room is worse?
Why is there a girl standing in the room? Are you a woman with a man's voice?
***** Oh, right! My bad.
@ How are you speaking without a mouth?