The Celts of King Arthur's Britain
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2018
- So the BBC aired their new show called "King Arthur's Britain" in which they look at Britain during the time of the mythical King Arthur i.e the Early Middle/Dark Ages. Some tweets which weren't happy with the "aversion" to calling and the "airbrushing out" of the Celts who were instead, and more accurately in my opinion, referred to as "Britons" and "British."
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Fun fact: in Greek, France is still called Gallia (Γαλλία).
Plot Twist, Hilbert Is Merlin.
The word for foreigner in Irish is actually Gall, not Gael. Yes the words are similar and there may be a connection but still they are different.
“Keltoi” is what Greeks in the colony of Massalia (now Marseille) called the Gauls. This comes from what the Gauls called themselves. Julius Caesar wrote as he described Gaul, “All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, those who in their own language are called Celts, in ours Galli, the third.”
The aincent irish kingdoms where really fractured and out of touch with each other .they all agreed they are from the same island and spoke its language but couldn't agree on a name for themselves .... causing a wide range of names to appear like .. gaelach , múnteoir na hÉireann , gael , fír bolg , gallaibh, duine gaeilge, Éireannach, gallaimhe, etc etc
Hey Hilbert. Big fan. You touched on it at the end there- the general consensus within the 'Welsh Twittersphere' (if there is such a thing) was that for a programme titled "King Arthur's Britain", they never once discussed anything outside of England. The 'airbrushing Celts out' remark was likely in regards to this (in this case, "Celtic" referring to the people of Wales, Ireland and Scotland, who barely got a mention). There's a famous quote by politician Gwynfor Evans that reads: "Britishness... is a synonym for Englishness which extends English culture over the Scots, Welsh and the Irish". The Anglo-centric 'English-washing' of the King Arthur story in this programme is what infuriated many. Happy to discuss more!
Proud to be half welsh half German decent. Yes I do argue with myself
In Irish the word Gael didn't mean foreigner in the Viking Period. Gall meant foreigner, 'Cogadh na gael re gallaibh' meaning the war of the Irish and the foreigners is from the period where the Irish kingdom of Munster under Brian Boru fought the norse kingdom of Dublin. So, you're saying Finn Gael for norse and Dubh Gael for Danish, but it's actually Finn Gall and Dubh gall, which is where you get place names like Finglas in North Dublin and personal names like Doyle.
I don't speak Irish but I think that Gall and Gael are two distinct terms with distinct etymologies
The word "keltoi" (pronounced kelti) was not meant to mean "foreigners of the north", because there were other foreigners of the north like the thracians and scythians that the greek recognized as different than the celts
We Welsh( that means foreigner as well ) NEVER referred to ourselves as "Celtic" We were the "Brythoniad" the land was called' Prydain".
henogledd = hen gogledd = welsh for "old north"
If you avoid the word "Celtic" because the groups identified as such can be further subdivided by local genetic and cultural differences, then do you feel the same way about terms like "Scandinavian," "Ethiopian," or "Slavic," of which the same can be said? As you allude to yourself, "Anglo-Saxon" is obviously used to describe an amalgamation of diverse and ill-defined peoples. I would think that term would be far more objectional, based on your stated reasoning. Yes, Gaul and other places with a formerly Celtic identity have long been absorbed into or replaced by other cultures and languages. Does that mean that modern Greeks should not identify as "Greek" since Magna Graecia, Asia Minor, and many other formerly Greek areas have been absorbed or replaced by other cultures? I'm not following your reasoning.
Excellent video as always Hilbert. I'd just like to clear up a few points as i sense that your knowledge of the West Country is not as hot as the North of England! Dumnonia was Cornwall AND Devon (plus a little slither of Somerset too) The West of Dumnonia was Cornu = the "horn of Britain" and the east (Devon) was Dyfnaint. Obviously Devon was consumed by the Saxons and just left the rump state of Cornubia which became Cornwall. Another 'Wealas' you missed was Cornwall which is a combination of British and Anglo-Saxon words. When you pointed out the gene-pool map of Britain you said there were several genetic groups in Cornwall to be seen but it appears you think the whole of the Western Peninsula is Cornwall! It's not! Cornwall is only the thin (and mostly pink) bit at the very end. The larger blob before the thin bit is Devon which was mostly blue in the DNA map which is fascinating because is shows Devon to be genetically distinct from both England and Cornwall whereas most might have assumed they would be similar to Cornwall. Sorry to rant on but being a Westcountryman it is a topic i am very passionate about! Lastly Tintagel is pronounced Tin Taj ul as opposed to your Tin Tay jel!! You don't want to rile the Cornish!! All the best and keep up the great work.
I think you've mixed up two Irish words there, 'gael' usually exclusively refers to the Irish as a whole whereas 'gall' refers to foreign peoples, hence fingal in English is derived from 'fionngall' - because of norse presence (blonde foreigners) or donegal (Dún na ngall - keep of the foreigners). Common mistake for non Irish speakers or learners. Really good video, love when you focus on celtic groups within Britain
Perhaps while trying to avoid the word Celt, as it is inaccurate, think upon the term British Isles, also inaccurate.
Hilbert stop apologizing (please). You do a great job researching and presenting your video posts. No matter what you say or do there will be people that find fault and rant online. Ignore them. A certain subset of humanity lashes out in anger at anything they don't understand or dis-agree with. So save your time (and breath) and continue to make videos.
As a general rule at least in French a word that starts with a w in English starts with a g so for example ward becomes guard, Walter becomes Gaultier so it would not surprise me if Gaul is the same as Wall. Now that we can study genomes using DNA facts concerning migration history are coming to light. One of which is the further west you go in Britain the higher the percentage of the genome that goes back to the Mesolithic inhabitants with Ireland as a whole being around 85% from that gene pool. So the idea that Celtic is an ethnicity is probably kind silly, and should only be used to describe the culture and language of a people.
I don't agree with the etymology of celt, Caesar wrote in the de bello gallico, I: "quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra
History With Hilbert, you are wrong about the name κέλτοι being a greek term that meant foreigner, according to hecataeus the milesian(first one to ever mention celts) and julius caesar, the galli of the area of modern france called themselves κέλτοι in their own language. Pliny the elder also wrote that the celtici of iberia called themselves celtici(we also have modern archeological epigraphic evidence for that). On the other hand no writer ever mentions britons as celts or them calling themselves celts, so you are correct on all the rest.