🧙 Robb Stark's Resurrection and Revenge | The Winds of Winter
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Cut from Game of Thrones, the undead Catelyn Stark aka Lady Stoneheart has been an integral and fascinating part of the ASOIAF books. Her reign of terror over the Riverlands after taking over the Brotherhood Without Banners from Beric Dondarrion is just getting started with The Winds of Winter. Perhaps another Red Wedding is on the table, and a chance to reunite with her long lost son. And definitely hang a lot of Freys.
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... Completely random crackpot theory.
What if the first White Walker was a mistake by the Children of the Forest. What if Resurrection magic had been unknown to them until they saw, or heard about a human performing a similar rite? Could it be possible that the Children of the Forest attempted to do similar, with the intent on binding the one they raised to their cause - or perhaps raising one that had been supportive to their cause in the first place? Imagine their surprise, when they pray for the life to return to the fallen Man, and rather than Fire responding... Ice does - a perversion of the rite.
It turns out that too much time had passed since the fallen man's death - and the life in question had passed from the domain of Fire, and into that of Ice - and such was the birth of the first White Walker. What if Lady Stoneheart was raised at some point between the two states? If raised immediately, she would have retained much of her mind - but after three days, much of what made her human was unrecoverable. If they had waited, say... a week, or a month, or even longer - would ANY attempt at raising her make her into a White Walker, or something near to it?
Stoneheart hates ALL those that were involved in the red wedding - she hates the fact they remain alive - with no respect to the level of responsibility each one holds, she wants them ALL dead. She doesn't discriminate - if they were involved even by *proximity*, they need to go. If they had waited longer, would she have returned with a hatred of even more? Would she have blamed her family for not being there, or the Knights even from her own house, for failing in their duty? How much longer would it have taken before she simply blamed all that lives for the crime of... living, when those she cared for had passed?
What if... thats what the Walkers are? The first was raised after too much time had passed, and its hatred was strong enough that it simply blamed... everyone? If the Children were somehow excluded from their rage, it could be that they simply stepped back, and let the Walker do what it did?
Hi Chrissy, it's Tam Hutchins! It's been really long! I hope you are doing well and that your people are safe and healthy 💖
It occurs to me there's precedent regarding body preservation: Maester Aemon's body is currently preserved in a cask of rum. Maybe Walder Frey did the same to Robb's body to mock the Stark funeral customs.
Man my fan fiction from 2014 was that Rob came back with the head of a wolf, named the wolf king
Him an Jon in a way
Robb returning has been a popular fan fiction for a long time, I just decided to see if it was possible
Because Robb and Grey Wind were warg-bonded, a wolf-headed Robb could possibly work, as they are kind of the same "person"
@@bronhaller would be awesome
@@bronhaller Why should they be the "same person"? When Bran controls Hodor, he doesnt become Hodor, Hodor is still in there, terrified.
I love this theory. If Robb was brought back, it would probably be as some kind of Frankenstein-like creation, kind of like Gregor Clegane. One has to wonder how stable he would be after being dead for such a long time...
Frankenstein! Yas!
"and how do you propose that you'll harm me or my brother jaime, you're just a dead man walking, a living corpse in shambles" the young wolf glared at the queen, his milky dead eyes getting colder the longer he stared. Colder than the wall, until they looked like balls of frozen saphire in his head, piercing cersei's soul. "your grace. Winter is coming" He managed to gargle through his decayed throat, sounding like death itself speaking. He reached out and grabbed his crown made of swords to place it upon his head, but when it touched the dead king's head, it turned to ice. "WE. are coming",his cold,leathery, rotted lips curling and pulling away from his teeth, his mummified skin being pulled back and stretched on his gaunt dead face as he spoke. Drawing his sword, mist coming off the blade as if it were made of ice on a cold winter's morning; he raises his sword, sunlight catching it, and refreacting like the sun hitting the wall on a cloudless day and in a flash that icy bright light was coming down upon cersei, aiming like to split her down the middle with one stroke. The mad queen jumped awake, fully alert in a fit of terror. Sitting in a pool of her own sweat in her bed, she glanced at the mirror to reassure herself that it was all just a dream. But there she sat, mouth agape upon seeing the mirror. Her scalp was cold and frostbitten directly in the center. Cersei touched the area, bits of frozen hair snapped into hundreds of bits, and fell off the queens head, revealing a bald spot in the shape of a scar, like those of knights who've tasted the bite of another man's steel, tho many who do seldom ever live to tell the tale.
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@@tamihellsing5045 honestly, it would be a fuckin roller coaster of a well set-up well thought out and kick ass deus ex-machina for rob to become the night king. Kinda like jon in the show and the books sorta becoming the defacto azor ahai reborn/ prince that was promised...until the show fucked it all up. Jons obvs still dead in the books, but george did confirm that jon snow is basically the george bittersweet ending hero, with him being the son of rhaegar and lyana and being destined to kill the night king. George has stated previously that he doesnf change his plans when ideas get leaked, cuz then its obvious they were right, and loves to leave them guessing until they read it themselves. My prediction, *if* rob becomes the nights king, and thats a big if, jon will definitely end up having to kill him. Probably in an end fight against kings landing, ala dany. Like rob's undead army massacreing innocents, to the point that dany and jon have to step in. Drogon gets downed with dany on his back, swarmed by undead. The crash killed the undead, but not dany...not fully. Crushed under the weight of her own child that she fought so hard to give life, she begs jon to kill her and put her out of her misery. Jon does it, with a heart filled with sorrow, whilst feeling like it's being ripped apart (gonna go ahead and make J+D official head canon, cuz it just makes sense. The books dany wouldnt mind sharing a throne and ruling side by side with a non-mad targaryen. In fact it'd make it wayy more fucking emotional if she was pregnant during the battle, but not like 6+ months, early enough that should could feasibly ride a dragon. Reason why: cuz that mcguffin witch's mcguffin curse was literally meant to be broken, and jon seems to be...gifted enough to make it a reality lol). Jon plunges longclaw into dany's heart, all the way to the hilt, transitioning from holding the sword to holding his now deceased beloved. That thing, assaulting the gates... It isn't rob anymore, and it killed the only woman he's loved besides ygritte. A look of silent, burning, rage, like molten steel overclouds jon's eyes (his eyes are literally steel colored in the books). His eyes, seeming to be rising in climbing in heat by the looks of it. At first looking like lightly charred steel fresh from being tempered in a smiths forge. The longer he holds dany, the hotter the color of his eyes become; grey, black yellow, orange, red, blue, white, then to a searing of vibrant violet. In his raging eyes exists only violence now. They burn, and begin to visibly emit small whisps of steam. His eyes began to singe parts of his skin, jon looked to the sky and screamed not just in pain but in rageful anguish. His eyes ceased to singe his skin. They, startled instead, to crackle. Like violet-hot lightning in bottle, the small cracks coming off of his eyes sounding like a raging crackling fire. Standing up, jon withdrew his sword from his beloved. Drawing his sword, it engulfs in flames, before enveloping jon. He could feel his skin cry out in pain, but he did not care. One thing was on jon's mind, killing the night king. Jon takes a step, the fire that has enveloped him, begins to subside, being contained to his hair, beard and clothes, eyes still letting off sparks of violet lightning. The flames of the sword and on jon growing hotter and hotter, until both are like white fire. The fire burnt off all of his actual hair, leaving behind charred sinders on the ground as he walked towards the dead king. Tho his hair burnt off, strangely the fire was not subsiding, instead replacing his actual hair, but not burning him only reddening his skin, as if the north raised prince were merely sunscorched. As jon walked, rhaegal flying over his head, he sees robs decayed corpse and the monster it has become. "face me, rob. You will pay for your crimes here today" jon said, pointing the flaming longclaw at rob. "bastards can't harm kings jon." The corpse king gurgled in that decaying, leathery, fleshy voice of his. "MY NAME IS JAHAERYS TARGARYEN, THIRD OF MY NAME, AND I WILL NOT LET YOU SLAUGHTER ANYMORE PEOPLE.". "Very well." the corpse king seemed to chuckle, like a raven with it's throat torn out croaking for more corn. The nights king raised his hands, and all of the dead within and without kings landing began to rise once more. From crypts, graves, buriald, the streets, the gutters even blackwater bay. Then a great and terrible roar boomed out from behind jon, as drogon rose once more, with ice of cold blue fire. Drogon, flew over to the night king before jon could reach him, "lets see if the dragon prince can fly" croaked the corpse king once more. The dead dragon took for the skies, master in tow. Jon immediately mounted rhaegal, and took off after the night king. The two clashed in skies, arya could see. But she forced herself to look towards her goal, the red keep. All of the dead, now noticing arya's existence, she broke off into a full sprint, dodging, blocking and parrying attacks whilst dashing past numerous amounts of undead. She knew she could dodge, block and parry all of their attacks if need be. However in the skies, jon and rob continued to clash, as if they were holding a tourney in the sky. Truly a dance of dragons and a feast for crows...no, no. It was a song of ice and fire as they clashed in the sky, until Jon unseated the dead king in a stroke of luck. Rob began plummeting to the earth, and rhaegal seized the moment of his dead brothers confusion to engulf him in dragonfire,destroying the dead dragon. As soon as it had been over, rhaegal went into a steep dive to resch the ground faster, before pulling up last minute and landing. Jon jumped off of rhaegal, long claw still burning hotter in his hand than his own hatred for this monster. The dead wolf stood up "and so it begins" croaked the corpse. "no, now it ends" said jon, the words felt like hot coal rolling off his tongue as he spoke, with such a certain rage and contempt filling his voice. Ser jaime, began climbing the steps of the tower of the hand, frantically, searching for his beloved cersei. Fighting off undead all the way up. When he reached near the door he heard cersei sobbing, and a handful of undead gnashing their blades into the door, like to render it to splinters. Ser jaime, slew them just as easily as the rest of the dead. " *the dead arent very good at fighting" he thought to himself. He pounded on the door. "CERSEI! ITS ME, WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE!". Cersei immediately swung open the door, upon hearing her brothers familiar voice. Arya's needle met the mad queen's throat, its insides and the other part of its outside and it delicatley slid into her throat. "the north remembers, your grace" said arya, pulling off the mask to reveal her own face. The mad queen died, gurgling and choking on her own blood. The two kings clash, perfectly matched in strength. They both lose their swords, as they grapple. The corpse king seemingly gaining the upperhand pummeling jon as he lay on the ground. Until join instinctively cried out the phrase "DRACARYS". Immediately rhaegal belted fire on them, the dragonfire began melting away the night king's frosted flesh, until rhaegal ceased, and jon frantically grabbed both his and rob's old sword, one coldee than the iciest winter and the other, hotter than the sun. With both arms he drove the two swords through and through rob, making him burst into thousands of bits of ice and whisps of steam, along with the rest of the dead. "its over" jon thought to himself. But, he had not yet finished the mission, the mad queen is still like to kill him, especially now that the dead are gone. Who knows what tricks she hids? Jon rushed the red keep, bursting into the throne room, seeing arya sitting upon the iron throne, ser jaim's skinless head, and cersei's head mounted on swords either side of arya on the iron throne. "what do we do now?" asked jon. "someone has to rule the seven kingdoms. it has to be you. You're the rightful heir, always have been." arya said. "I don't want to be king. I just want her back" jon's eyes began to well with tears. Longclaw ceased to be in flames as the flames on jon's own head began to die out as well. "I JUST WANT HER BACK" Jon said, falling to his knees and bursting into a fit of sobbing. He felt as if his whole world, his whole purpose in life was gone now. He isn't the prince who was promised anymore. He's just jon snow again now, known as ned stark's nephew/adopted son. "I'm not fit to be king" he said. "bran will do a better job than me, he's always been wiser than me, despite being half my age. He will be a good king. Not me. I don't know what to do now. I suppose I might go north past the wall...what remains of it, to live out the rest of my days with the wildlings". (ten years pass). "..and thats how I defeated the night king" jon told naeddard, named in honor of his uncle neddard stark. "right. Now off to sleep, no more stories tonight" he said. "daddy, who is danaerys?" little ned asked. "she was... A someone very close to me, she died in the fight against the night king...I..loved her, before I met your mother" jon admitted. "I miss mommy " said little ned. "as do I, but she gave her life so that you could come into this world. Now get some sleeep before you make her spirit stir from wherever she is" jon said. In the crypts of kings landing, danaerys targaryen's tomb sat, though something began to stir inside the tomb. Inside, the dead queens body saw no signs of decay. Her feet and legs began to seemingly mend, her pale dead skin showing the damage beneath plain as day, slowly reversing, though her flesh staying cold and dead. Then Danaery's eyes snapped open with eyes like blue saphire, and the night's queen pushed off her tomb's lid and and arose to her feet. For not even death will stop her from being with her beloved, jon snow. For nothing is so powerful as a song of ice and fire.
@@tamihellsing5045 I did my best on the second one not to make it cringe lol, yoir welcome btw
A huge part of me wants Robb to come back as a Wolfman hybrid. It would be a huge change up and a seriously interesting aspect to the story itself.
I never thought about Lady Stoneheart bring Rob back. I guess I just thought he was to long dead.
It's not possible. You need to be fast after the death, otherwise not much will come back. They even explain this in the book :)
@@umwha I just think that all the realistic theories have already been covered when the show was still a hit. Now youre only left with people who believe A Dream of Spring will ever be released and people who liked the show, so, obviously we theorize in crazy ways :D
Anyway his head could be on Robert Strong’s body way out there shot but maybe
@@umwha 6 months is more than enough to reduce somebody to bones. Plus I’m sure he got dumped in the river which speeds up decomp even faster. I just can’t see much being left of Rob
Robb is toast. His head is gone. Game over.
I think this would be great but at the same time I don’t want Robb to suffer
a bit late for that!
Robb was legit my least favorite character. He couldn't act very well. Or maybe it was his story I didn't like. Either way. Least favorite character
@@lookItUp91 we’re talking about the boooms here brother
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Robbs acting was amazing besides the parts with his wife!
I loved Robb but him just giving in to love and risking it all just seems out of character for him.
He sacrificed THOUSANDS of soldiers on the riverrun battle to get jaime and in character he should have also killed Jaime because 1st The anger 2nd It would have been the right move to kill a lannister for a stark
@@davidryan7386 LMFAO 😂
I think that she will give Jon the kiss not Robb. It's just the kind of retribution that GRRM writes about. She was horrible to Jon in life, so she will give him life and finally be a "mother" to him. She knows that Robb named Jon his heir as they think that Bran and Rickon are dead.
Hmm. Maybe Jon’s body will be preserved by the cold of the wall?
@@MikeWasHere_1 it will have to be soon because if he wargs into Ghost he might be gone forever
I think it's the opposite it's the fact that he wargs into Ghost that means he can be dead for a while but come back without the drawbacks of having been dead just a bit wolfie!
Completely agree with you Mel seems most likely but I really hope it's Stoneheart because of the relationship between her and John in life. There would be something poetic about Catlyn giving John life.
Cat doesn't seem to be heading towards the wall at all and she's shown no interest in going there and seeing Jon.
this theory of resurrecting Robb Stark is very interesting, in the house of the immortals Dany saw a king at a banquet, with a wolf's head, and he was dying and not dead, maybe you are right.
He’s head was cut off no he’s dead for good
@@billybobsac4421 He will be like Gregor Clegane
@@artysarryn9111 Gregor clegane didn’t have his head cut off so no and he was saved by science not magic
@@billybobsac4421 you just watched the series, the book is different. In the book he was beheaded and his head was sent to dorne, Qyburn practices magic in the books, and the chapter that has Kevin Lannister’s point of view everyone says that "Robert Strong" (the mountain) doesn’t eat, breathe or sleep, and has no head behind the gap in his armor helmet.
@@artysarryn9111 I have read the entire book series 5 Time,it’s not gregors head
- the whole lady stoneheart thing is kind of insane. So much of the magic in the show is subtle but then you have a legit zombie queen terrorizing the lands. It would of been crazy to see them try to do that story in the show.
You know what…that’s why the show didn’t do Lady Stoneheart. The show was going in on the WW and wights so they didn’t need a Cat zombie.
I agree. Shame as it was to cut Lady Stoneheart out, I do see why they did it. It would have telegraphed Jon's resurrection too much, and it would also have been pretty crazy to actually watch play out.
Wow .. so if sewing her father and brother’s heads back on their bodies and reanimating them is why Arya’s chapters have so much emphasis on her sewing I will be SHOOK.
Might be
…damn
Hmm. She's terrible at sewing that looks nice, but maybe she learned a basic blanket stitch. But I think she uses her other Needle, to stick various people with the pointy end.
I'm not sure how easy it is to sew bones back together, though.
Eww, imagine if Rob Zombie's off-putting head & neck area visible woundings are his neck being flaccid and his head flopping over to the side all the time 😬
I'm not sure LSH is going to die. I think she might slink off deep into a forest and exist for decades. Once in a while, hunters, soldiers, and travelers will see her and tell tales. She'll become a legend.
Having her haunt the woods forever would be terrifying. Do. Not. Visit. Those. Woods.
I think it would be amazing for Euron to sense Robb's return, and regard him as a rival to being harbinger of the end times. There's evidence that Euron is a skinchanger, and that Shade of the Evening is a sort of inverted Weirwood Paste, so it would likely amplify his abilities when he takes it. So he may sense Robb in his dreams just like Jon can sense the other Direwolves through Ghost.
Also, this resurrected Robb would likely be a creature so filled with animalistic rage, hatred, and a burning desire to kill and feed, that it may willingly join the Others. There's a theory I believe, that the Others use an advanced form of skinchanging to resurrect the dead. If that's true, than Robb could detect their attempt to seize his corpse, and embrace it.
Robb coming back as a being like Coldhands would make me so happy.
I desperately want Lady Stoneheart to bring Jon back, it would parallel what Dondarrion did for her and she’d die the true death finally released from her guilt.
If I 'm' it wrong, they re is a theory about a Testament or a document making Jon Snow the legitime heir of Rob and Lady Stoneheart is in the search of this document.
This would imo be the best way for Jon to return. Catelyn after learning about his true parentage and maybe the azor ahai prophecy redeems herself by bringing him back, the child she always hated. Also the document proclaiming Jon as Robbs heir is still with maege mormont, and Catelyn is fully aware of it and its contents. The only problem is shes in the riverlands which is like 1000 miles from the wall :( maybe she could travel there but she wouldnt even know hes dead and if she did it would take probably half the book just getting there.
If Jon is dead in the books, which is still unknown
@@umwha And Mance was burned alive. I don't think Jon died, but rather a glamoured Tormund
@@svilendenchev9984 He is both dead, yet still alive. He is in Ghost now, we didn’t get all that info about Varymir Six Skins and a wargs second life in the prologue for nothing.
That’s great! You’re awesome in the way that 10 years after the last book you’re still able to come up with new mindboggling intriguing theories. It’s hard to read new theories these days which are not 1000% tinfoil. This sounds crazy, but at the same time isn’t so crazy at all.
However, Jon could have dreamt of Robb, simply because he had a close relationship and his death was fresh on his mind.
It would be awesome if somehow jingle bells came back to haunt Lady Stoneheart. Like Brienne having a pair of jingle bells on her as she confronts Stoneheart.
Dude!!! There haven’t been many new ideas come out of the fandom that could actually happen in the story and not just something fun to speculate on and talk about but this makes so much sense from a characters perspective. I mean a lot of us thought Robb would be the hero of the story after Ned died which made his death hit home so hard but it was be just amazing story telling if somehow he came back and was the leader of the white walkers or something. I’m all for this theory lol
Grey Winds Head.
Rob Starks Body.
The Dread Wolf-King.
That would be a hell of a twist if the Night's King in the books ends up being a resurrected monster version of Robb Stark. Catelyn/LSH has pale white skin and blue eyes as well, right?
Cat has burning red eyes
GRRM is a gardener. He sows seeds, some may grow, others wither...I doubt I shall still be alive to find out how his garden grows.
I want LSH to bring back Jon, redeeming her. Then Jon technically fulfilled his vows by giving his life to the nights watch. To then become King in the North.
"Ryman's lady friend" LOL
Was that the “Queen of Whores”? It’s been a while since my last reading
Yeah, I just didn't want to say it
@@JoeMagician smart move. I’m laughing because I imagined The Dude besieging Riverrun
I think that if Robb comes back, he'll have Grey Wind's head. It's sewn on, after all, and his consciousness is in there.
💯 that’s the only way I can see it working.
I like this idea.
If Walder Frey is keeping Robb's head, it would be more likely that he would have it packed in salt. The tar slows decay in outdoor situations, but I would guess Walter would want to have a head that was easy to display in his solar. Tar is messy and sticky, salt would create a mummified head Walder could pull out to admire. The mummified head would hold its features better than tar.
Honey could be another option, and in RL it was poured into coffins to preserve corpses.
I get the feeling that it's going to be Lady Stoneheart, and not Arya Stark who kills Walder Frey in the books.
And his death is going to be grizzly 😬
Always appreciate a callback to The Princess Bride.
Me, coming here after AltShiftX theory of Rob dying twice (with only a smidgen of hope): Aweyeaaaah. Gimme the good stuff.
Maaaan this is fresh. Great work Joe, I’m hyped for a Robb and Grey Wind return as one flesh.
There’s always talk about the names of the dire wolves spelling the fate of the Stark children. I’ve always found Grey Wind the hardest to fit to a fate.
Will he be the Grey Wind of Winter? Not dark, not light and good, but some sort of Grey force in between, the goodness of Robb tormented like Stoneheart by the trauma of his death and undeath, and no longer a force for good, but some kind of bad actor in the plot?
I want to see Rob reanimated by the Night King and fight against the "Good Guys"
At the beginning I thought no way this could happen but this was a fantastic video. Even if this doesn't come true you've done a great job. God these books are just incredible.
Also the story of the Night's King says a woman was his downfall, just like a woman was Robb's downfall. I'm surprised you didn't point this out.
You know what would be epic, imagine the others able to march down to riverrun reviving the dead, when they see robb stark’s body as a trophy with the wolf’s head and revive him
One problem I'm having regarding the resurrection and/or last kiss.
Nobody seems to die, when they resurrect quickly after the person died, but Catelyn could only be resurrected by Beric dying, which makes this sort of a "Only death pays for life" trade and not the last kiss to be fair.
Great video! 👏👏👏👏👏
I wasn’t aware of this theory before you brought it up, but you totally bought me.
Freys keeping Robb’s body as a trophy is a great catch. I would see Walder displaying it at a great event such as the Lannister wedding to serve them as a cautionary tale. It actually reminds me of don Ferrante of Naples who used to mummify his dead enemies, dress them nicely and expose their bodies at dinner so people will think twice before betray him.
I like the idea of Catelyn trying to bring Rob back but it goes horrible. He is horrendous, showing the limits of resurrection. A fully functioning Rob does not coincide in my mind with George criticizing Tolkien's Gandalf revival
Agreed, whatever happens it will be the worst version of it for effect on the audience. You all want Robb Stark back? Okay, he's a horror movie monster now.
Anyone who can still put videos like this together after Season 8, you're hard core.
Never mind A Dream of Spring, the last book in the series will be called "I was a Teenage Undead Werewolf ..."
Lady Stoneheart gives me the shudders and listening to your very well done delivery on this theory (never heard of/ considered this very interesting!) I have serious heebie jeebies. Talk about horror. Robb has been dead for presumably a few months, maybe years now? But that would be a moment to read! I like it.
This is the first I've heard of this theory. While it is sad I love it. It will even be more heartbreaking if we get something like a Jon vs Robb fight.
I had an idea years ago that the white walkers would breach the north and the armies of the living would meet them and the twins becomes surrounded stuck in the middle, so Walder gets to feel the fear of what he is witnessing. Robb with Greywinds sewn head rises again and kills Walder.
That would be a song of Ice and fire. A fire Wight leading army of ice zombies.
One thing though, for Rob to lead the others, his body has to reach beyond wall. That logistics part is very tricky. Something has to happen at the very beginning of twow.
The theories in this video are so good. Even if they don't end up becoming cannon in the story, what a creative list of ideas!
That's half the fun!
Another thing to note is that Robb Stark has been stated by GRRM as being heavily inspired by Edward IV of England, the man that won the war of the roses which 'A Game of Thrones' is primarily inspired by. In history Edward IV would be betrayed by his brother and closest advisor for his choice in marriage, being forced to hide and flee, before organizing an invasion that would reclaim the throne that was taken from him. If Robb where to be revived as the Night King it would also not only make sense thematically, but it would give the threat of the 'Night King' Robb a clear motive, as perhaps the person most wronged by those south of the wall, and power as a being closely connected to the white walkers and other old magic of the first men through his stark ancestry while also being remembered as the man, who in life, never lost a battle.
I had never thought of Rob being the King of Night oh my. Now IVe got to read again thanks Joe 😛
Well, because in the book there is no night king :)
The Nights King and the Night King are two different people and nowhere related.
I'm still mad at Catelyn for kidnapping Tyrion, Ned gave her instructions & she didn't take heed one of the things she was supposed to do was inform some of the Northern Lords to be prepared for war which gave the Northern army a head start over the Lannister army. Yes Cersei Jamie & Joffery did try to kill Bran but Catelyn played a roll in starting this war
This is the first video of yours to popup in my lists, and I cannot fathom why. I have watched dozens of GoT lore/theory vids by this point, and this is amazingly the first time I've even heard of this theory. Love it, you have a new fan!
As for Robb, I don't know how Stoneheart would do it, but you gotta figure if Qyburn could reawaken Robert Strong surely there has to be something for Robb...but who says the power that revives Robb need be good? Oh, I can almost see a retelling of that fight where Beric blockades the door so Arya can run...except now it's Stoneheart, and she's keeping Nights King Robb away from Arya. I cannot wait for WoW.
What if Robb will be resurrected with the wolf head still attached? Would be kinda symbolic.
Yoooooo. I just bought all the books, this shit really go crazy. I wish D&D should have just followed the freaking source material.
Awesome video essay! It gave me goosebumps just like your "The Killing of a Ranger".
These videos have me salivating like a dire wolf for TWOW already!!
I'll never forget the day I watched The Red Wedding episode. I was so glad I found a show that was perfect in every way. I was late in the GOT game and gave it a chance and I hung on every scene. I am always the one that sees shit coming, predicts the unpredictable, and when that went down I swear I didn't breathe, and I remember the end like it was yesterday, the credits rolled up with the perfect silence. Like they knew breaths would be held in. Since then, until HOTD, I can not watch anything but reality based shows. Survivor, Big Brother, stuff like that. Nothing can ever come close to ever doing that again and my respect was won forever.
Now I'm watching Joe Magician's videos, and he's catching shit, like about Larys using the rats to see like the Wargs... and like it's unbelievable..like every part of every scene matters in some way. Each word, phrase, is so carefully worded. I mean you have to take everything in. What a great find I found in this channel. I can enjoy this now at such a higher level and just the live show after was just as good listening to the other fans interact. Like it brought up my reading game leaps and bounds. Like I read everything different.
This will have a negative effect when I go watching other shows and think the writing and production is at this level. Next I need to find other shows like at this level. I mean the way the show production must be organized is so well done. Like obviously fron the books there is so much they can do..I mean they could do three episodes every week if they wanted to like Raw wrestling...then you have to have someone in charge of editing to put all these pieces together, and you think wow, that was dumb...like the rats...I seen them everywhere and I just was them showing the conditions back then that rats were everywhere. 😂 Thank you so much this channel is great.
I watched at radio Westeros video in which Gwen pointed out how ghost notes he still has 5 living siblings he only mentions a dead sister thoughts
I don’t know why I’m getting this video suggestion a year later, but so thankful I did. Awesome content!
I read a very long fan-fiction tale of Robb’s resurrection years ago that could have been from GRRM himself and I’ve held on to the theory that it could be possible to see Robb return in some form. Seeing all the possible evidence that could be used for it, and knowing that George regrets not using Robb more in the story gives me hope!
Thank you! These are the best on RUclips!
Glad you think so!
I’m more interested to see what Stoneheart would do when she hears Jon is back at Winterfell (post-mortem) and possibly Rickon if Davos finds him. Would she make her way north and hand over Robb’s crown?
It might cause a situation similar to the First Blackfyre Rebellion, since post-resurrection Jon could be a mix of Daeron II and BloodRaven while Rickon post-Skaagos would be a mix of Bittersteel and Daemon Blackfyre!
Robb Stark could become the Night King.
Omg. I’ve never heard this theory before. I love it!
Bro this thumbnail is insane, great job. Havent even started the video, just awestruck how effective that thumbnail was
Finally got around to watching this - great job! 👏 👏👏 How fun to have a new theory to ponder now! Thank you!
As several other people say, I definitely think it's worth noting how lady stoneheart is far more different from Catelyn stark than Beric was following his own resurrection. Being dead for more than a few moments or being revived repeatedly degrades your "soul" or whatever you want to call it. You don't keep all of yourself after death, just parts
Awesome video! Thank you, so much for the content. 👍
Not sure if I buy it, but this is definitely a very cool theory. I just wanna read Winds 😭
I often think about what's left of A song of ice and fire, somehow It makes me believe that G. R. R Martin wants it to be released after he's dead, maybe as a way to be free from the fandom's complaints if the ending does not fulfill their expectations (maybe what happened with the TV series made him believe that people would look down on his work or maybe he's actually working as hard as it's possible to deliver something memorable even if he dies first as a way departure from the awful thing that was the Hbo's adaptation)
In the letter to Jeoffrey it says a pair of wolf pelts. With the Bolton’s involved that statement could be taken literally. This theory makes me even more eager for the release of TWOW. It would be a great way of dialing up the horror over the first red wedding. Here’s to hoping it comes true.
"I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime."
Leman Russ, the Wolf King. Might be relevant.
Wonder if grrm is a warhammer gamer
Excellent video, I always thought Dany's vision wasn't quite right for the red wedding. Never thought Rob would be brought back, but it makes a lot of sense. LS' own Ser Robert Strong of sorts. Could be what causes her to cross the line, with a lot of the BwB refusing to follow, as some already express doubts over what they are now doing. But at the same time, as monstrous as a corpse with a wolf's head might appear, if it scares the crap out of their enemies, she may get enough support as they walk back north to Winterfell. Arya on the other hand... "stick em with a pointy end" at Lady Stoneheart's stone, I think.
Imagine jon and rob both return and join each other in the coming war. The white wolf of winter and the king of the north!
Jon deserved to be Robb's counselor way more than Roose!
A great video. I hope the prediction comes true! I can't claim that I came up with the same idea, but the vision of Dany always haunted me, with the wolf head's eyes following her path. I thought there might be something weird there. I am also wondering if Greywind's wolfish savagery will have rubbed off on Robb, so that wight-Robb is even more savage and vengeful than Lady Stoneheart, if such a thing is even possible! The idea of a resurrected Robb also brings to my mind the idea of a Wendigo, a native American undead creature with animal properties that hungers and thirsts for the blood of the living.
There is another thematic connection with heads and kisses, and bringing the dead to life with the Brotherhood without banners. Lem Lemon cloak is theorized as being ser Richard Lonmouth. Ser Richard disappears when he is young and Lem is an older man who has no backstory or explanation why he is with the Brotherhood, but there are more connections. Ser Richard was Rhaegar's squire and supposedly died at the Trident. He was never found but he was thought to be dead. The sigil of his house is red lips on yellow, quartered with yellow skulls on black, and he's called the knight of skulls and kisses. The identity with these characters comes when the Ghost of High Heart speaks to Lem: "A skin of wine for my news and for my dreams a kiss from the oaf in the yellow cloak, his lips will taste of lemons and mine of bones." So if Lem is Lonmouth, then he too is a man returned from the dead and kissed by a woodswitch and his sigil is kisses and skulls, which implies a connection to lips and resurrecting the dead.
There’s also the theory that Ser Richard/ Lem may have been the one to fish out Rhaegar’s body from the Trident as it was never found and they believe it drifted down stream. IIRC he “died” and floated along with him but neither bodies were ever found, and then in one chapter he retrieves a bird from the same area in the Trident and cradles it back to shore. There’s a video on it with more clues but I can’t recall who did it.
The war of the five kings is not over. Stannis (the Mannis) is still in it and very well could win at Winterfell. And Justin Massey is on his way to Essos and get him 20,000 sellswords.
The mannis will win back the North from its usurper
Holy shit... I absolutely love this theory! The True Night King in the North!
I'm left wondering two things.
1) Is Aeron Damphair actually reanimating his drowned men and not simply performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation?
2) If Rob had a brief second life inside Greywind, what happens when his body/head is reanimated? Would it just be a husk like Khal Drogo? Is his spirit yoinked back from wherever?
Imagine Rob back from the dead raising the Starks in th crypt
this was one of my favorites. wow.
Can you imagine how Jon would react seeing all his brothers and sisters safe and sound, and then Robb shows up as an undead dullahan with Greywind as his head
That would be an awkward reunion / hug
The freys turning over Robb's body so she wouldn't kill them only to have fur zombie Robb kill them seems like classic GRRM to me
Sansa was always accredited with amazing sewing skills. Must be one of the inherited traits Catelyn passed down to her Lady like daughter.
I think Arya completes her training and gets sent by the Faceless Men to kill oh somebody in Westeros, somehow ends up in the Riverlands. She connects with Nymeria and her pack, who bring her back to herself, Arya. She figures out who Alayne really is, hooks up with Lady Stoneheart, and reassured that not all her children are dead, she lets Arya kill her.
Great video! Fun fact, the still at 2:18 allows you to see the special effects blood drip around Cat's neck just before the slice.
There is also the chance that he had skinchanched into his direwolf after dying, only to be killed again minutes after.
ffs. this is horrifying, yet so insanely awesome. i never paid much attention to the story of ser clarences' heads, but considering how much time GRRM spent on such a seemingly useless story, and how entwined Brienne and Catlyns storylines are, it is shaping up to be a wild ride. amazing video, my only complaint is you dont have a hundred more. you should collab with preston jacobs if you havent already
Catelyn coming back just for revenge would be awesome to see
Robb = Night King? I dig.
After all, Stark kings were called Kings of Winter huh...
There is no Night King in the book, that's all from the show. The mentioned Nights King is another person and not at all related, as he is not the founder of the others, but married one that already existed.
Thanks for this video. I've been wondering where Robb's body went.
I hate that you convinced me that Robb is the leading candidate for being the book Night King...and damn George may have some Ragnarokesque things planned..brother vs brother (and both as wolfmen) wow man, just wow.
In the book there is no night king, this was a change purely for TV. GRRM wanted a faceless evil, like global warming, not an evil king, but for TV it's just easier and more fun to watch.
@@olivertoth4122 dude I know. I'm saying if George wanted a figure to lead the Others a resurrected Robb may just work as per Joe Magician's theory here
@@alanthompson2753 Exactly, but the reason that I pointed this out is: the white walkers have no leaders and shouldn't have, because this would give the evil a face and that contradicts what George said about what he wants them to be.
@@olivertoth4122 I agree with your point, but technically Robb is faceless 🤣, which is also a nice tie in to the many faced God
@@alanthompson2753 Yeah, usually beheading also kinda takes your face :D I'm actually still on team Jaime is Azor Ahai, so I also have my crazy theory going for me :D
I always said “the roose is loose” lost it when you said loose roose 😂😂😂 love your videos man, well earned sub :)
My little tinfoil to go along with the Red Wedding 2.0 is that a song of Robb Stark will be played during the wedding, to mirror the Rains of Castamere. Songs are a re-occurrence in Robb's story, not just with the Rains of Castamere but with Catelyn repeatedly speaking about songs being sung for him when he's dead.
For example:
"The singers make much of kings who die valiantly in battle, but your life is worth more than a song. To me at least, who gave it to you." -CATELYN IV, ASOS
And:
"There's a song," he remembered. "'Jenny of Oldstones, with the flowers in her hair.'"
"We're all just songs in the end. If we are lucky." -CATELYN V, ASOS
So with Tom of Sevenstreams in Stoneheart's service, I think it's very likely she's had him write a song for Robb. And I think this song will be played at the Red Wedding 2.0 to signal the attack, much like the Freys using The Rains of Castamere.
There's also already a song of Robb's victory at Oxcross:
Rymund the Rhymer sang through all the courses, sparing her the need to talk. He closed with the song he had written about Robb's victory at Oxcross. "And the stars in the night were the eyes of his wolves, and the wind itself was their song." -CATELYN VI, ACOK
So whether it be an already existing song about Robb, or one Catelyn has Tom write specifically for her vengeance, I think one will play at the Red Wedding. It would be perfect revenge. Just like the Red Wedding 2.0 is a reversal of the first (Freys are guest and Tullys are hosts), the songs will be reversed. As Freys and Lannister celebrate their victory, singers will sing of how the North Remembers, telling them that it is Robb Stark that is being avenged.
This is just pure tinfoil I came up with but I love this idea. (I mostly just really want a song for Robb lol)
Also “I sent two thousand men to their deaths today”
“They will write songs about their bravery”
“Aye, but the dead won’t hear them.”
I even have an idea for the title of the song: "The Grey Wind of Winter"!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je ooh I like it!
This sounds terrifying... and does have a certain GRRM feel to it ! Thanks for the consistently great content!!
My mind just got BLOWN🤯
I think she shud get her own little chapter so we can see what the fealings of a dead person are
Brienne & Jamie (it’s implied) both have the blades to vanquish this necromancy. Hopefully Oathkeeper or Widow’s Wail (what a douchebag name) can grant Stoneheart peace
“What did he name it”
“Widow’s Wail”
“He truly was a cunt”
The only thing about undead Rob being the Night’s King. Who rose the white walkers other than him. Who is taking Crastor’s sons. We haven’t seen him because there hasn’t been a pov character to see him. Other than that I can believe everything else about Rob being resurrected in the book. Also we know Jon is going to be resurrected too. So long George is able to finish Winds.
Martin has apparently confirmed that several fan theories are correct but as to which ones, he's kept his silence (no duh). I think Red Wedding 2.0 will occur.
Red Wedding 2.0, R+L=J in the books, fAegon being a Blackfyre and Euron being BloodRaven's failed apprentice are all but confirmed!
Dope, Fire, Hot, I ran out of things my kids say. Loved it!
Is there a chance that Robb can be reanimated with the wolf head attached. He does have a warg bond with his wolf after all.
This channel is such a good find. Automatic sub, automatic thumps up. And as a side note, you sound so much like one of my favourite RUclipsr's.
If they brought Robb’s body back with the direwolfs head on it, it would be like a werewolf type Robb.
What if "winter is coming" was not originally warning of an outside danger, but a threat like "fire and blood"?
"and how do you propose that you'll harm me or my brother jaime, you're just a dead man walking, a living corpse in shambles" the young wolf glared at the queen, his milky dead eyes getting colder the longer he stared. Colder than the wall, until they looked like balls of frozen saphire in his head, piercing cersei's soul. "your grace. Winter is coming" He managed to gargle, in a tone of voice that sounds like death itself speaking. He reaches out and grabs his crown made of swords to place it upon his head, but when it touches the dead king's head, it turns to ice. "WE. are coming", his cold,leathery, rotted lips curling and pulling away from his teeth as he spoke. He draws his sword, mist coming off the blade as if it were made of ice on a cold winter's morning. He raises his sword, sunlight shining directly through it, and refreacting like the sun hitting the wall on a cloudless day and in a flash that bright light was coming down upon cersei, aiming like to split her down the middle with one stroke. The mad queen jumps awake, fully alert. Sitting in a pool of her own sweat in her bed. She glanced at the mirror to reassure herself that it was all just a dream. But she sat there, mouth agape upon seeing the mirror. Her scalp was cold and frostbitten directly in the center. Cersei touched the area, bits of frozen hair snapped into hundreds of bits, and fell of the queens head, revealing a bald spot in the shape of a scar, like those of knights who've tasted the bite of another man's steel and lived to tell the tale, tho seldom any ever do.
did I capture the writing style of Lord George RR of house martin, king of the nerds and the realms of fantasy?
Reign of Terror?
You mean Reign of Justice!
If Lady Stoneheart gives a last kiss, it will be to Aegon Targaryen. That's just story 101.
I'm feeling the same sensation I felt when I watched the show before the new seasons. I can't explain it but it's such a special sensation of mystery and wonder, but also I feel sad because the shows ending maybe ruined this legacy