Easily Comply With Remote ID | Dronetag Mini and Beacon
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2023
- Remote ID is coming up quick, only a few months away. Fortunately you can easily comply with Remote ID. A few weeks ago I purchased the Dronetag Mini, just to be ready for remote ID. Both the Dronetag mini and beacon are extremely easy to setup and use, and will ensure you're complying with the FAA Remote ID requirements.
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Hello Rich, thanks for covering our product in this video, we appreciate your feedback. I am always pleased when someone mentions that our product is super easy to use. Thanks, Lukas
Lukas, we'll be doing another video in the field in the near future. And yes, the Dronetag Mini was super easy to setup. I always dread setting up new hardware, but this was super easy.
Hey, Lukas. How to add to the DJI go 4 ap?
I could get a pixhawk 6c for the price of this product... Do you see the issue with this statement, for the price of one gps that reduces a drones performance and and widely broadcasts ones location is almost as expensive as a flight controller that flies a drone.
@@Shadeaflame DroneTag's gonna dislike this comment, but you mention PixHawk so I have to point you to the *$38* HexCube, ID a (much!!!) smaller answer for those of us in Ardupilot. GetFPV has em in stock, I'll slap one on my VTOL Ranger and see how well it handles crashes lol
Another company over charging customers because of something that has to be done to comply with Government regulations
I think non compliance is the best option
Like many other drone operators, I'm not thrilled about Remote ID. I have concerns that requirements will expand over time. While it's just broadcast id now, I could see it evolving into network ID down the road and I'm not thrilled about that. Here's my issue when it comes to compliance. We've been building a successful drone business, and things are just getting better. I don't want to risk losing all of the progress we've made by not complying. My clients depend on the work we're doing for them, and my long term contracts extend through the launch of Remote ID. So we've decided to comply with the broadcast ID to keep flying for our customers. We'll be watching the evolution of remote id closely for sure.
Agreed
With all of the drone videos on your channel, it seems like you would want to comply.
@@The_Real_Patrioteer We are complying. We got the Dronetag mini weeks ago because I wanted to be ready. With the amount of flights we're doing presently I can't afford to not comply. I've left other people's comments up on this one to give channel visitors a look into the issue from other sides as well. Had to delete some comments that were really not nice as well. Very hot topic at the moment, and some folks are pretty wound up about the whole issue. This is my first video where I've had to moderate unfriendly comments.
@@AZ-Drone Sorry, Rich. I agree with you 100% and have been following your comments here and in the group. My reply was meant for the gentleman who stated, "I think non-compliance is the best option." He has absolutely no drone videos on his channel, so no skin in the game. Just giving him a little sarcasm. I find that many who are making comments against compliance show no evidence of using a drone for business purposes. I understand the frustration of those who use drones as a hobby, and I hope they will understand that we have to do what is best for our businesses and our clients. I'm finally getting started with my business and want to be legit all the way. As always, I really appreciate all of your input and hope to see you in the group again soon.
But the FAA keeps telling us our remote ID will cost 50 bucks. This thing is 300 bucks. The FAA keeps adding requirements related to FRIA's.
I know, it still seems like a moving target on the FRIAs. And yes, I read that they'd like a $50 unit , but I haven't seen one yet. I wonder if we'll see a delay in RID launch.
@@AZ-Drone The FAA and whoever else can just listen for our already active telemetry, maybe with the addition of a $20-$50 gps and there you go. A gps added to a UART on our modern transmitters could be able to transmit the pilot location. Is any of this useful in solving any actual problem/s. Crickets, only Crickets and embarrassing FAA dramatic and false representation of who and what model aviation is and stands for.
@@spartan3299 I'm not quite sure what the FAAs guidelines were for remote id. What the actual transmission requirements would be.
Cannot negotiate with tyrants,do not comply on Mass with tyranny if you want this to go away ❤
$38, currently works with Ardupilot, 10g: Hex Cube ID. Lots of stock at the normal stores. I've ordered a pair, I imagine BetaFlight and iNav compatibility will be moments away
I think if you have a part 107 you need a unit for each drone not suppose to switch between units.
That's my understanding now too Mark. Thanks for your comment as well.
Thank You! I have just bought a Dronetag Mini and Beacon. But it is on backorder!
What drone are you getting it for. I ask because DJI will be offering firmware updates for several more drones. Check my video from today about their remote I’d firmware for the Mavic 2 Pro, Phantom 4 Pro V2, and a few others.
I am building a Drone Rig. Tarot 650 Sport Quadcopter with a Pixhawk.
Thanks for your information…but if your a part 107 pilot don’t you need a separate module for each RC !
I don't believe you need more than one. After getting the Dronetag Mini I went over to the FAA Drone Zone site. I registered the unit which does the broadcasting. The device itself is registered, and I can move it between drones. Not 100% on this, but that's my understanding. If I'm wrong please let me know. All of this might be moot with DJIs latest announcement on July 1st.
forum.dji.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=293343&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Dtypeid%26typeid%3D815%26typeid%3D815&fbclid=IwAR0UodkjVl9SBBJjFmSPG2q85NQDj1qcebcG9Nsd-ipNxCFMhtbultcIflA
@@AZ-Drone Update: I am 99.9% sure that only rec drones can share a remote id module. Any commercial drone will need its own remote id module, unfortunately.
Thanks for the info great job on explaining!! I was just wandering I have not updated my DJI Mavic Pro 2 since I got it. I found some few users had big flight problems after updates. We are not doing much flights anyways but good to get compliant. Thinking to get beacon to comply also heard DJI will ground some drones before the initial release of RID on Mavic 2 pro ( if any updates will happen) in Dec 2023 which I think wont happen as expected your thought? Thank you!
I'm personally hoping that DJI comes through and adds Remote ID to the Mavic 2 Pro. Since I fly commercially I'd need to get another remote id module in addition to the one I have. Looking at DJI's list, the Mavic 2 Pro should be updated soon. Here's hoping!
my dronetag only displays dronetag id and location on 3rd party apps not my drone information even though I've setup everything there still is no drone information nor type or serial
I would check in with their support to see if anything is missing in your setup. When looking at the 3rd party RID app I see my dronetag module, location information, etc. With the dronetag app I'm getting Status info, Telemetry info, and a category called "other". The Serial number doesn't show up in those 3 windows, just controller location, drone location, heading and speed, height, altitude, location accuracy, and speed accuracy.
Thanks for doing the research - I had this on my list of things to do this summer. Any reason you went with the Mini since network ID isn't required in the U.S.?
I wanted to try everything out just in case, including the network side. They give a free trial of the network option, so just wanted to be able to see if everything worked easily. But for most everyone, the Beacon will do nicely.
Thanks top
You bet
I waited 4 months for a drone tag, and got one that won't pair or broadcast anything
I'm sorry to hear that. I've heard from several other drone operators who went through the long waiting period, but hadn't heard that they had setup issues.
Great video, they offer a free trial for the network. Should I select this? I don't want to be charge any kind of monthly bill once the trial ends. With the blue tooth only are we compliant with the FAA to fly? Jim
You don't need to do the network side. The bluetooth (broadcast id) is what we need to comply right now. Sometimes after singing up for a subscription to test with I forget the end it.
Hey Richard!... Did you find that updating the firmware update 3.0.3 from about a week ago, and find that once you turn it on, then you don't have to do the "quick click" to start flashing all white?
Woah, I haven't updated the firmware yet. Looks like I'll need to do that today! Thanks for the heads up!
@@AZ-Drone Please advise that this is the case after the update. You should be able to just turn it on, wait a few seconds, and then you should get all white flashing lights.
@@AZ-Drone Richard.. I've also contacted development in the Czech Republic about the options screen. On my iPhone 13, the X (exit screen button) is right behind the battery level indicator, making it almost impossible to exit out of that screen.
Can these be used on numerous aircraft, or is it assigned /registered to only 1 Aircrafts?
Yes, you can use one device on multiple aircraft. Pop it off of one, and affix it to another. The "Dual Lock" velcro is very sturdy, so when it's on, it's on. 😀
The device is movable but if I remember correctly per the FFA...The registration number of the RID unit has to be registered to the serial number of the drone to be used on. You can change the registration at any time but I don't know if the $5 charge is for each one or multipal like the recreation license is. Something to check into for sure. Also using the removable module you are limited to some of the things you are allowed to do with the drone unlike it being already installed.
You can attach a module to a registered aircraft by using the settings edit feature. This can be done without paying the 5dollar registration fee. Or you can register the module itself, which does require the registration fee. Which will generate a FA number for the module itself. Depends on how you intend to use it.
Thanks big time for this video Rich! And for the fact that you can use it for multiple drones. Does attaching it to the Mavic Mini affect flight because of its weight?
Glad the video was helpful. It looks like if you're a Part 107 drone operator you will need one module for each drone you need remote ID on. While the module can easily go from one drone to another, it seems the FAA wants a module for each drone (which is crazy). I'm not an authority on the FAA's policy, so double check first. Also, I don't know how it will impact the Mavic Mini. I've tested on one of my Mavic 2 Pros and it seems "ok".
I believe the mavic minis do not need a beacon.
would've been helpful to provide a step by step connection video...can't get my beacon to connect...
Apologies for that. If I have time in the next few days I'll see about putting one together.
Added the Dronetag DRI and now OSD does not show in my goggles. If I unplug the unit OSD comes back.
I'd definitely contact their support to see what's happening.
I just got my dronetag Mini today, after waiting 4 months... :( I am not happy that it requires a 15 Pound Sterling subscription fee (I'm in the US, so not sure why they list the price in British Pounds), and the instructions are absolutely awful..... Still not sure if the thing is working, or how it even works.... NOT HAPPY WITH THIS. Why can't they have some clearcut instructions on how to use the dang thing? If anyone knows how to get this thing to work, please let me know.... Thank you
Remote ID is the precursor to confiscation.
Let's hope that's not the case. I keep wondering if it will get pushed out last minute.
What do you mean? That the FAA is using this as a way to take away everyone's drone?
That thing is HUGE! I did not expect it to be so large??? WTF??? I can't believe it - - or we are just unlucky that the circuit board and the hardware to support remote id is or has to be so large.
There are others on the market too and some smaller sizes as well. Also lower prices as well.
@@AZ-Drone Any recommendations?
@@genjitsu7448what did you find?
@@NickzAndMikz Well, not much that I like! A side note: I have been working 6 days a week over 12 hrs per day and I have been fully cashed so I have had zero time to do any extra research - i actually fell asleep right when I got home yesterday around 4PM and slept until about 10PM, then awake for a bit but back down...
So Now I have a couple hours and I was going to read up a bit more. I am looking into taking the TRUST test, that is an easy one to comply with and I am thinking I will comply with everything that I can unless I think it compromises my safety or is an invasion of privacy, etc... I have heard of people "tricking" the RMID system... Bardwell has a video on it and so do some others. I think they broadcast a whole bunch of fake locations at the same time and they are saying "you didn't say that I can't broadcast these signals" or something like that. I like this kind of idea!!!
Have you found anything? I was really hoping that a RMID would be small like an ELRS receiver or something. I think I found one for under $50 that was not ridiculously large but I can't remember where the heck I saw it! I am looking at my internet history to see where I was... so frustrating that I am spending the very little free time I have on a nonsense issue.
Hex Cube ID, $38, only for Ardupilot right now but it's a serial device, only 10g as it uses your existing GPS sensor's data
That thing weighs 1/2 of the weight of my Quad!!!!
There are a few other modules out there from other manufacturers now. I tested this one out as it was the first to be approved by the FAA, and several other RUclips drone pilots also checked it out as well. Also because I could transfer it between drones. But there are other modules available now. There just isn't a big selection of manufacturers at present. Several seem to be setup for FPV drones.
No link to the product. Why?
Sorry about that. No link to the product because I forgot to include it. dronetag.cz/products/mini/
Seems ridiculous to have to spend $200-$300 for a module for a $150 fixed wing foam airplane. The Dronetag modules are on backorder for who knows how long.
There are other manufacturers out there and other styles of modules. Some are small wire harnesses which need to be installed on your aircraft. For a foam plane, there are other solutions for you.
300 bucks and it will break on an FPV Drone first crash. Not a good solution for all
In my testing I haven't put it through a "rough landing" yet. It is very light to be sure, and your comment makes me wonder how rugged it is. Now I'm trying to figure out how I could test it's durability out. Thanks for the comment, very thought provoking. 😀
You only need the $200 version and it’s likely very durable. Czech people make great stuff 👍🏽
This remote id is approved by FAA?
Yes, the Dronetag Mini and Beacon are FAA approved. According to their marketing materials "Dronetag devices Mini and Beacon are the first FAA-approved drone Remote ID accessories listed in a Declaration of Compliance"
@@AZ-Drone Thanks 👍
Glad to be of help!-
Not so easy when they are all out of stock till October 2023 at the earliest.
Ouch! That's a long waiting period.
Respectfully, @9:41 you mention how the device is _"already tiny",_ I would submit that you *hurt me, Sir. Cut me to the quick.* I cry FatShark flavored tears, flung to and fro from 5" props.
To my cinequads, this RiD solution looks like the monolith from 2001: Space Odyssey. It's not ungainly for those that can spare the cubic feet, but alas not the perfect solution for the _cool FPV kids._ There's hope, though, (a silver lining anyway), for the DIY crowd in the form of Non-Self-Contained modules. Please look at the Hex Cube Id, a $38 module that integrates with flight controllers, using the existing GPS sensor data over serial, or Canbus.
Apologies for cutting you to the quick. When I did this video it was geared not toward the FPV community, but the commercial drone camera market space. We do a lot of construction progression work, and I was interested in modules that would work with our Mavic 2 Pros and Phantom 4 Pro. Thanks for the info on the Hex Cube as well.
@@AZ-Drone I will not accept that apology, Sir! As there was no reason to give it. I was pulling your chain, and trying to be helpful with a solution juuuust nearing the horizon for all of us, even you money guys lol!!!
Happy Flying, AZ, and happy bureaucracy-navigation!
Ah Lol! Sorry, I've gotten a lot of comments on this post and one other regarding remote id. It's such a difficult topic at times! And yes, we'll continue with our flights while navigating bureaucracy! I think RUclips will be very busy with drone posts come the middle of September.
@@AZ-Drone We've been through this before, when the 250g rules and registration came into effect, I was that guy in my group of _Kwad Bois_ that built a couple 250g RemoteID equipped camera ship. I won't be flying it, likely, but I'll have it at the ready. If _They_ come.
(looming hurricanes and work-at-home lunch hour leaves lots of time for youtube lol - sorry for the book!)
@@GhostRyderFPV LOL! Work at home lunch hour does leave some extra time for RUclips. Good luck with the hurricanes. I grew up in Florida, and remember the storms! No worries on the "book" either. You've watched some of my videos, I tend to go long too!
I'm looking forward to mid-September coming and going. Hopefully we'll all get through this. I did my Part 107 Recurrent exam last week, just to get a jump on things before Remote ID hits. Looming chaos and all that.
We'd like to get into FPV more at some point as well. Got the Avata last November and declared it fun. I know, an FPV with training wheels on, but still fun.
To big to heavy. Non compliance is the way.
Imagine trying to attach something like this to a 251g DLG (discus launch glider). That's a hand launched glider with very streamlined aerodynamic design, made to float on the lightest thermals. It's just not a solution at all. This is a convenient package for larger planes and drones that don't mind the weight or aerodynamic disturbance, but I see no feasible solutions for light fixed wing and even multirotors that are just above the 250g weight. The FAA is making compliance impossible for many hobbyists.
I think the Dronetag folks make other units as well that aren't a bulky block like the one I got for my Mavic 2s and Phantom 4. Not sure what's required to use their other units. The whole remote ID issue has been trying to say the least for all of us.
They have a monthly fee which is a deal breaker for me.
The mini has broadcast remote id and network (which requires a subscription). The Beacon only does broadcast id and is all we need currently and requires no subscription.
Too bad we have to use something that adds weight to the drone. Along with Anti Collision lights its cumbersome
Agreed
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Thanks for your input.
It’s far easier to not comply with tyranny,mass non compliance because only the weak and fearful comply ❤
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Remote ID app should be free for registered pilots and charge the public Karen’s. It should also allow the pilot to see who viewed them while in flight. It’s about safety. That looks very heavy for a part 107 tiny whoop. FAA is out of touch.
I like the idea of the equipment being free! I'm not thrilled about Remote ID either, and maybe it will be delayed. I still needed to get ready for my business, as I have contracts through this whole year, and can't be grounded by remote id. Oh, and yes, I don't see that unit fitting on a tiny whoop at all.
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My Take - NOTE: Don't take me wrong, not wanting to lay this over on camera drone operators. These devices are already being RID enabled. Its not their fault a newbie real estate agent or ambulance chased grabbed a camera drone, with NO prior model fight experience at all, and the Drones of today made them think they were Top Gun. Try This FAA --> Reorganize what "drones" are required to comply. Camera Drones with full access gimbals, gps, return to home, autonomous flight should comply. Has a free style or racing drone spied on a family bbq or hovered over and airport runway? No. Fixed camera facing up. Tiny Whoop? No. RC Fixed wing planes with simple radio electronics? No. Un powered RC Gliders / Slope Soar / Thermal Gliders? No. RC Heli with standard flight electronics? No. RC Paragliders? No. 1 pound RC Foamy plane? No. All that have been classified as "drones" are not always true drones, nor do they have the ability to be bad actors as drones. First was "voluntary registrations" then mandatory registration". Then there was education that was going to save everyone. Then there was apps that would make it safer. Then there was Network RID, then broadcast RID, but network RID is still not dead and keeps coming up. This was totally a poor risk assessment sold on fear, media drama, and movie DEATH DRONES.... based on NO DEATHS. Then an overbearing engineered plan created by the committees of Full Access Camera Gimbal GPS Autonomous Flight Drone Manufactures and Lobbyists that have money and access to congress and the FAA. What could possibly go wrong? Make the punishment fit the crime? Full Access Camera Gimbal GPS Autonomous Flight Drone have shown up at Airports, back yard bbqs, your daughters bedroom window, sports domes and large commercial gatherings. How about start there, get that under control, look for the "problems that may have been missed" once you are solid with the first most serious risk gap. Common sense Risk mitigation instead of a "I have a hammer and everything looks like a nail" mentality, which government 3 letter agency that WANT FUNDING do. Control ALL = easy button, more funding, broad brush paper pushing and regulations over what could or might happen.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
How about, NO. Especially not for the absurd price they are demanding them.
Hey, Rich: Thanks for the info. QUESTION: I have the beacon and registered with the FAA and created an account with Beacon. Then attached to the Mavic Pro 2. Is there anything that I need to do on the Ipad when flying the mavic pro 2? I cannot seem to get the DJI Go 4 ap to recognize any remote ID Even though the beacon is on. ANY help most appreciated. TwoBirdDay. Donna
I don't think there is anything you need to do further. I don't think the Go4 App integrates with the module at all. My understanding is that once you've registered it and turn it on, that's it. You might want to double check with Dronetag just to be sure. They're pretty good at answering questions quickly in my experience.