The simple way to make your music sound HUGE

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  • Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025

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  • @michaelkonomos
    @michaelkonomos Год назад +20

    Love this. As a visual artist, we learned in school a lot about "negative space" and how it defines what you show on a page as much as what you are actually drawing.

    • @vvcv__00
      @vvcv__00 Год назад

      Perhaps some negative space, to render more movement, for juxtaposition in this passage. Ahh....art school.

  • @daynemin
    @daynemin Год назад +2

    It's a nice mental reframe, instead of thinking that you are not playing, to thinking I am playing silence or a rest.

  • @elitefitrea
    @elitefitrea Год назад +2

    This principle is what got me into bonsai

  • @clamato54
    @clamato54 Год назад +1

    I'm imagining someone trying to tell a story without breathing, and then remembering to be alive in the moment while they tell it

  • @daverogersjams318
    @daverogersjams318 Год назад +15

    Great stuff. I appreciate your application of classical training to electronic music. Staying tuned for more.

  • @IvoSiem
    @IvoSiem Год назад +4

    The Lost Art Of Surrender makes me want to hear more of this approach from you. It has a dark vibe and just the right amount of distorsion and industrial edge while you as a composer can be heard through the synthlines, the treatment of the drums and the phrases for the vocals.

  • @StefaanHimpe
    @StefaanHimpe Год назад

    On the importance of silence, I feel this quote is somewhat related: "Perfection is achieved when there's nothing left to take away" (attributed to Antoine de Saint-Exupéry).

  • @garygimmestad4272
    @garygimmestad4272 Год назад +7

    Well said, as always. Sequencers, arpeggiators, looping, and beat-making in general, foster perpetual ostinato structures and, as you suggest, an additive process. We get stuck in the loop and we have to interrupt the continuum to create different forms and narratives. I'm in a constant state of tension with my machines because they do prioritize sequencing and looping. Not that it's a bad thing. It's super fun, and it's a great way to discover new ideas. I can get lost for hours just messing with sound design, knob twisting and automating modulation. But I'm currently trying out a different lens, viewing sequences as episodes or middle ground (like orchestral ostinatos) rather than as foundations or scaffolds. It's liberating.

  • @billyruss
    @billyruss 6 месяцев назад

    "Music is rhe space between the notes" - Debussy.. Never heard a clearer example of this than the one illustrated from 3:00 onwards. Lovely to hear the Chopin played on a real piano at the start of this video, too - a contrast from the usual 🙂

  • @lrgstmrg
    @lrgstmrg 3 месяца назад

    Awesome tip. One of the most underrated SynthTube channels out there. Thanks for making these.

  • @Fedor_Tkachev_Music
    @Fedor_Tkachev_Music Год назад +1

    I think of the "Lost Art Of Surrender" often, as of something I could do eventually.

  • @BubbleFilms
    @BubbleFilms Год назад +7

    Love this. I often improvise long pieces with multiple synths (with added live looping) and the next step is always the question "what else does it need to feel finished?" Well, it often needs less things and I have to constantly remind myself of that. Also, the clip of your upcoming "haven't had time to work on this in two years" project sounds fantastic. Something about the vocal treatment and musical choices in that clip gave me strong Peter Gabriel "Darkness" vibes (and that's a great thing, if you haven't experienced it--the studio version from the 2002 "UP" album, specifically). Well done!

  • @jonathanparham
    @jonathanparham Год назад +1

    good lesson. Space, contrast, and breathing.

  • @electropunkzero
    @electropunkzero Год назад

    The same concept applies at a micro and macro level. Little rests between small phrases as well as large rests at the end of a Prechorus before chorus section hits.

  • @ozboomer_au
    @ozboomer_au Год назад

    Although I'm not really a composer, per se... I've used this technique in a lot of situations, most frequently when writing (documents). I have been using mind maps for decades and the idea is to just 'brainstorm' and let the associations run free, no filtering, no selection.. but only for a short time. Then, come back and bring like things together.. start to develop the main points (themes, maybe) and then 'slice'n'dice' to simplify everything down to the basics. You then have a lot of already sorted, 'suitable' ideas to 'enhance' the main points (or 'motifs', themes, etc in music) and so you build the document (music) to the point where it 'perfectly' suits your purpose.

  • @1UpBebop
    @1UpBebop Год назад

    Way back in the day Victor Wooten used to have lessons on his website. He might still, not sure. One that stuck out to me was how he described silence as the most important and impactful note and how learning silence is the key to creating grooves and musical passages. How all scales can be transformed with a simple interesting usage of rest. I just looked up a book review for a recent book, and sure enough the summary is "a key part is how silence in a groove can push your musicianship forward."
    Just a nice contrast that the bass player that can slap arpeggios at like 250bpm tells people to study silence.

  • @J-MLindeMusic
    @J-MLindeMusic Год назад

    Dynamics - they're pretty neat.

  • @pthelo
    @pthelo 11 месяцев назад

    WOW - Your "Lost Art of Surrender" track "Departure" sounds killa, Jameson! Liked and followed on Spotify, and excited to check out more tracks. 🤘

  • @vvcv__00
    @vvcv__00 Год назад

    Couldn't agree more. A bit of 'smaller' or 'nothing/rests' is always something people try to use in 'popular music' circles where they call it a 'hook'. Great hooks can literally give tunes that 'magic' to go straight to the top of the charts.

  • @Modwaev
    @Modwaev 2 месяца назад

    Oooo, the super top secret bit there sounds awesome!

  • @melsplaining4156
    @melsplaining4156 Год назад +1

    I get so hung up on what I don't know about music that I forget its similarity to visual narrative (film editing and comic books), which for whatever reason feels more native to my brain. So this helps me reach for that lateral connection (if that makes any sense). Thanks!

  • @johnhawkins191
    @johnhawkins191 Год назад

    I bought a Polybrute and then watched your video about how that is wrong. I agree with you about the Prophet 6. Now I use my polybrute as a keyboard controller for my prophet 6 desktop.

  • @CristinaMarshal
    @CristinaMarshal Год назад

    Never Knowingly Undersold, as your reflections are utterly fab!

  • @Alckemy
    @Alckemy Год назад

    This is a segue into transitions which also gets in to giving a listener clues on where your arrangement is going. One of the easiest things to do outside of well, silence is to use a gradually climbing high pass on your build before the main idea comes. Or swells. Lots of stuff.
    I think you should do a follow up video though, and go further into detail for different times contrast plays a big role in making things work.
    A great example someone gave me is (for bass music) big drums, more subdued bass, big huge basses, smaller drums. Riddim, although a genre I don’t vibe with is an excellent testament to the latter, where heavy drum n bass with Noisia drums are very meticulous with spacing and phrasing.
    Contrast really is a gateway to making your arrangements come to life

  • @bricelory9534
    @bricelory9534 Год назад +3

    The art of space is one of the most powerful and tricky elements to master. It is effective*especially* in such a noisy day and age as this one, where everything is fighting for attention, is moving about and making noise.
    I love the term subtractive arrangement - and I find myself gravitating that way for my own work as well. In some pieces I record 4-5 sequences looping together and then later chop out the structure of the piece: a "break" is formed when I take out all but one of them, things like that. I think I don't explore enough true silences yet and I like the idea of adding an arrangement pass where I pay specific attention to "where do I need to breathe" - where does the classical music inhale happen?
    I also really loved your synth rock example. Really great textures and sound. Is that work that has been published anywhere?

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +1

      Thanks! Yeah I have three singles out on all streaming platforms under the Lost Art of Surrender moniker.

    • @bricelory9534
      @bricelory9534 Год назад

      @@JamesonNathanJones awesome!!

  • @pollyon
    @pollyon Год назад

    i feel this can apply to improv on an instrument, always wondered what separates those beautiful improvs vs mindless playing that doesn't offer any kind of meaningful story if that makes sense, id love to hear your thoughts on improv and how create something that makes sense

  • @DerekPower
    @DerekPower Год назад

    I first learned about contrasts from good ol’ Ludwig van. Hell, his Fifth starts with a silent downbeat. And the beauty of silence I learned from Arvo Pärt, whom I consider my musical godfather. Other artists I like reinforce the importance of contrast and I wish more could take advantage of silence.
    I’ve done some of these things in my own work. A really good recent example of this was “Spectre” in You Make Your Future Like You Make Your Music. There are two instances where there is a measure of silence. The funny thing, looking back on it, was I did this in much in the same way you did it in your own livestream composition. It was a small move that made a big difference in the overall feel of it.

  • @kailaine3974
    @kailaine3974 Год назад

    This is definitely one of the most useful things I've learned in production. Funnily enough, the thing that got me to realize this was playing in marching band. The biggest impacts are always preceded by a rest for the whole hornline, if not the entire ensemble.

  • @ianflurrance8438
    @ianflurrance8438 Год назад

    One of the best to ever do it! Chopin still has much to teach us.

  •  Год назад

    That might be just what I need in the song I’m working on right now. Thanks!

  • @charleszaman7666
    @charleszaman7666 Год назад

    Really got back into guitar and just playing old rock music so I haven’t looked at any of your videos or similar in a while. Just saw this come up and I forget what an absolute gem you are

  • @andycordy5190
    @andycordy5190 Год назад

    Papa Haydn next with his attention grabbing opening chord?
    Excellent illustrative examples. You and Chopin are absolutely right.
    If we're listening to a lecture or simple instructions, we are much more likely to get it all down when there are spaces which allow time for our brains to process what we just heard before moving on.

  • @niko6248
    @niko6248 Год назад

    Please, please, PLEASE release the 3:20. That was gorgeous.

  • @dtreestudio
    @dtreestudio Год назад

    WOW!!! YES! Thank you.

  • @irradix213
    @irradix213 Год назад

    I could have sworn i saw you do this a week ago, i realized I have to treat the last three unreleased tracks on my current EP this way to get them done and out, they came out as full walls instead of progressing stories like the other five, I love that side stuff stuff and hope you can get back to it

  • @MarteenMayjer
    @MarteenMayjer 9 месяцев назад

    I’ve been soaking up all of your knowledge for the past two weeks. You’re definitely one of the better (if not the best) music RUclipsr I’ve come across. Really appreciate your no bs approach to everything. Thanks for making this stuff available. Also cool to see a fellow southerner in the music production/composition space 🙌🏼
    Can’t wait for your course to drop ☺️

  • @LivasMusic-LVS-rd1cp
    @LivasMusic-LVS-rd1cp Год назад

    brooooo, 5:50 are you kidding me? Major Massive Attack vibes, that sounds so sick!

  • @davidsanfeliumarco9664
    @davidsanfeliumarco9664 Год назад

    You are a star! Thank u so much!

  • @michaelperks4416
    @michaelperks4416 Год назад

    This is fantastic advice and its something i'm trying to incorperate into the songwriting for my band atm. I've been in a bit of a rut for providing actual riffs and parts for the songs but what I have been able to do is supply some sort of idea of how we can make the songs more dynamic and create an impact instead of the whole song being completely full on from beginning to end. Really enjoying the content man and feel very fortunate to have discovered your music (through The Proper People's Channel)

  • @thebobbycovert
    @thebobbycovert Год назад +1

    Very nice video. This is something that I needed to inherently learn for my own music (the idea of subtractive arrangement). My style is to create a few sequences and arps and let them run through the entire recording and then remove things and add layers in the daw. I think there is something special about trying to do as much as you can "live" into the daw (lots of reasons for this, not least of which it helps deal with latency). Setting sequences and arps in motion allows the performer to tweak the synths in real time as the song is happening. It might not be the best workflow for everyone, but it really helps me to hear how everything will interact with each other in real time and then extenuate, deconstruct, and add elements after the fact.

  • @scotty-sh7jq
    @scotty-sh7jq Год назад

    I so enjoy your posts Jameson. And that dystopian track. gorgeous

  • @Heselbine
    @Heselbine 8 месяцев назад

    I think you might just be my new favourite RUclipsr

  • @VitorGuerreiroVideos
    @VitorGuerreiroVideos Год назад

    Nice one! I really love this idea of Contrast (with capital C xD) bc the coolest thing about it, is how important it is in everything related to human perception - Silence to provide the illusion of loudness is probably one of the most used psycho-acoustic tricks for when you want to sound design some sweet explosions. Puzzles, trading hubs, inventory management between action sequences is the same for games in general, if you want to pull the eye of a viewer to a specific area of your composition in a painting you paint light surrounded by shadow, an impactful moment in a story line can only be impactful if you get to know the characters daily life first, etcetcetc.

  • @michael999michael999
    @michael999michael999 Год назад

    I really like your videos. Informative, cogent and pleasant (you have a nice/calm voice).
    I’m 1yr into production and these tutorials are very helpful to me. Thank you!

  • @pthomas36
    @pthomas36 Год назад

    A short while ago I looked up whatever there was on Spotify of Lost Art of Surrender. I think there's like 4 tracks on there. I listened to them and was impressed. There's a distinct NIN vibe to it that I really like and I think you should definitely make more of that music if you're ever inspired to do so. It's really good.

  • @andthensoclear
    @andthensoclear Год назад

    Great video. Again. I think it also applies to when you have several instruments/tracks and take away one for a bar or two - that will give the listener a chance to re-discover that instrument/track.

  • @divisiona3974
    @divisiona3974 Год назад

    Very interesting. Cheers

  • @LouisSerieusement
    @LouisSerieusement Год назад

    nice. Thank you !

  • @TheHorseValse
    @TheHorseValse Год назад

    Thank you!

  • @chambre466
    @chambre466 Год назад

    thank you very much for the masterclass, simple yet brilliant

  • @joyboricua3721
    @joyboricua3721 Год назад

    Very impressed with a simple theme while incorporating how it applies a broad spectrum of genres in this vid.
    Furthermore, this concept is very efficient in sound effects; for instance: the Witch King's beacon at Minas Morgul in TLOTR: TROTK & the seismic charges in SW e2 Kudos mate!

  • @RobertOBlivion
    @RobertOBlivion Год назад +1

    Great video. Such a good technique I feel I've neglected recently and will now be more conscious of implementing. Thanks!
    Your tracks sound great btw. Punchy with a contemplative edge. I might have to add some to my writing playlist

  • @el-bov8034
    @el-bov8034 Год назад

    Musical hang-time! Great video, and love the bits of your music that are peppered throughout. Cheers :)

  • @striker1992
    @striker1992 Год назад

    Very insightful, thank you. And wow that song with the geometric visuals was so damn cool! Reminded me of Flume somewhat

  • @irauchimax
    @irauchimax 8 месяцев назад

    We all gotta admit he's extremely talented and skilled on the keys, almost digusting 😅

  • @QuasiAndTheGargoyles
    @QuasiAndTheGargoyles Год назад

    ❤ Complete your album please 🥹

  • @swanofnutella4734
    @swanofnutella4734 Год назад

    Very cool. I think I subconsciously do this already at times. But I think I might have to go back to some recent tracks in my current project and (without over-doing it) see if I'm missing some opportunities to apply this where this might be really called for ...but is currently absent. Thank you so much. Always presenting not just cools sounds, but cool ways to look at what we're doing and why we're doing it.

  • @NigelMerrick
    @NigelMerrick Год назад

    What a great concept, and beautifully explained as well, Nathan. I'll definitely bear this in mind for future projects, especially in my tension tracks where impact is so important at various points in the track. Awesome job, as always 🙂

  • @jockcooper8888
    @jockcooper8888 Год назад +1

    very instructive, great video. Love your channel

  • @in.stereo
    @in.stereo Год назад +2

    Imagine if Chopin had access to a DAW

  • @mark-yj5sg
    @mark-yj5sg Год назад

    Your advice reminds me of Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Relax, Don’t do it, when you want to go to it

  • @kugelblitz5229
    @kugelblitz5229 Год назад

    Thanks for this. I've learnt a lot of little things like this from you, and its added up to a lot, and I feel like it's really helped me on my music journey.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +1

      Glad it’s been helpful :) Thank you for watching

    • @kugelblitz5229
      @kugelblitz5229 Год назад

      I've decided I'm going to start my own channel of me just faffing about with making music with the goal of making a full song and uploading it to soundcloud as the end goal of each episode.
      You've inspired me to do that. Except instead of being good at it, my thing will hopefully appeal to people like me who are in the "pit of despair" in the dunning-Kruger curve. About how there is no shortcut, and to embrace sucking at it, and laughing instead of giving up.

  • @finderrio
    @finderrio Год назад

    we love chopin!!!

  • @despot666
    @despot666 Год назад

    Hey man, really enjoy your videos! Would you mind sharing what 88key controller you use and why? Cheers!

  • @MrKrisstain
    @MrKrisstain Год назад

    Thanks for this, friend.

  • @edgardvera3132
    @edgardvera3132 Год назад

    Thanks for the lesson, professor. And there’s no sarcasm in my comment. I actually mean it.

  • @YoureNowOnTV
    @YoureNowOnTV Год назад

    .
    Got it coach 😉👍

  • @korneliusoderso
    @korneliusoderso Год назад

    man you remind me so much of venus theory. great video!

  • @krazywabbit
    @krazywabbit Год назад

    Less is more.
    Thank you for attending my JNJ talk. Pick up your free shorts on the way out.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +1

      But they have to have been featured in a video to be authentic “RUclips Shorts” 🩳

  • @samprock
    @samprock Год назад +1

    ……. right!

  • @barakus82
    @barakus82 Год назад

    🙏

  • @HenningUhle
    @HenningUhle Год назад

    Great idea. Just leave something out of your piece to make the climax happen. There is no magic behind the fact that some composer like Chopin or Bach will always have their place. The dudes were perfection in terms of arrangement. Thank you for bringing this to the table.

    • @garygimmestad4272
      @garygimmestad4272 Год назад

      Your reference to Bach raises an interesting historical perspective. A whole lot of Bach’s music is continuous. In his contrapuntal textures, contrast is made with the coming and going of independent voices, including their shape, register, density with number of voices in play, etc.
      A big chunk of Bach’s music is set as perpetual motion. The steady stream of notes must have been be a key factor in W. Carlos’s choice of music for Switched On Bach. The perpetual motion pieces, in particular, can be easily mapped onto a sequencer. And it’s famously amenable to a wide variety of instrumental settings. Bach’s independent voices can be mapped to individual synths and synced. And that’s way easier now than it was for Carlos. The Brandenburg must have been a bear! The first thing I did when I got my Moogs was to sequence the C-minor Prelude from the first book of the WTC. I was elated! I had a blast with the EG and the filter creating an amazing variety of ‘instruments.’
      I’m guessing there are a few post-grad papers on historical uses of ‘motivic’ silence, and how it becomes more prevalent as the Baroque morphed into Classical, and on to Romanticism. I wonder when the Grand Pause and //became a thing. And now we have The Drop.

  • @relaxmax6808
    @relaxmax6808 Год назад

    In France , 70's pop artist Serge Gainsbourg said that " Chopin was is biggest influence " .😉

  • @Emily_M81
    @Emily_M81 Год назад

    you're doing the Lord's work.
    ...er, uh, and Chopin's work. You're doing Chopin's work.
    lol thanks for sharing!

  • @chuckcrunch1
    @chuckcrunch1 Год назад

    less is more , the drop .

  • @KevinJohnsrude
    @KevinJohnsrude Год назад

    Thelonious Monk during a live performance once got up from his piano, walked over to the soloist and said , "Play the rests." 😅

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +1

      I wonder if he also had a masterclass with Dr. Nagel 🤔😂

  • @captnoplan3926
    @captnoplan3926 9 месяцев назад

    +1 making it to a 1000 likes ; )
    I'm a total newbie and all these tips are great.

  • @genuinefreewilly5706
    @genuinefreewilly5706 Год назад

    Much agree. it is a lot of effort putting in particular rests and empty areas
    Obviously Chopin was not using a DAW and writing scores for TV and Film
    Might be inventing and improvising on the fly for theatre and live audiences, which is a lost craft for the most part

  • @BrentODell
    @BrentODell Год назад

    I think Ricky Tinez talked about something like this with the techno/EDM stuff he does: create the big climax part of your track first, and then take things out to create the intro, outro, build, etc. Really cool stuff

  • @DanielBlock
    @DanielBlock 10 месяцев назад

    The simple way to make your music sound HUGE

  • @nanocyde_artist
    @nanocyde_artist Год назад

    You sly dog, reintroducing people to the old ways!

  • @0711RC
    @0711RC 3 месяца назад

    Thanks

  • @kenb7540
    @kenb7540 Год назад +1

    Love this. So smart and insightful 👏👏🎶. Albeit at times you did sound somewhat like a counsellor on sexual dysfunction “…so, if you are having trouble with a climax….” 😂

  • @GizzyDillespee
    @GizzyDillespee Год назад +1

    What's the scientific name for the fear of "digital 0"? Somethingaphobia...
    There's something comforting about a noise floor, or a drone, something sustaining always. I know it's good to have space. Weirdly, I hate sleeping to a TV or anything with an aperiodic rhythmic cadence. Steady sounds are okay for that, though. Can't stand it when the house is too sterile, too, like no-one lives there. We should keep more undeveloped musical spaces, though, instead of always backfilling them with drones or ear candy. Can't argue there.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +1

      I think that kind of sterile feeling is just another tool in the toolkit. You’re right, it’s a little unsettling, but if that’s the effect you need - perfect. Like anything, it can be overused, but that’s where taste comes in.

    • @Citizen-1a
      @Citizen-1a Год назад

      Sedatephobia

  • @Lynx33PL
    @Lynx33PL Год назад

    After watching this video till the end, I have one important question. Am I really one of your favourite people of all time?

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  Год назад +2

      Abso-freakin-lutely. Anyone who can look at my face for that long is automatically inducted.

    • @Lynx33PL
      @Lynx33PL Год назад

      @@JamesonNathanJones Knew it!
      Seriously, though, I do appreciate your videos. I'm hooked ever since, that one about "content" (which really resonated with me). Keep rocking!