And in next week's episode of Antiquarian Gardener's World, Mr WC21 meets Sidney Smith who unearthed a previously unknown, but intact Roman fort as he was digging up his potatoes. That was a fascinating and informative vid. Huge thanks to David and Carole for allowing you to bring the story here for all to enjoy.
Cheers Paul. It’s a really interesting find in an area where we probably thought the road network was understood. Hopefully we can get this in front of David Ratledge and co and see what comes of it.
I think you are both spot on. David needs to get a team in to dig down a bit for definitive result. But I think you are right. Beautiful house too. Thanks for sharing.
Splendid effort, not only the historical content but also the nice interior shots. Marvellous William Morris curtains, and, as always, beautiful clothes.
Hi Darren, what an intriguing video this was, big thanks to David for getting in touch and showing you his find and for allowing the WC21 film crew to clamber all over his house too. One thought I had is that they might have started the route in an extended dry period and didn't consider the flood plain or simply underestimated it, and then got fed up of rebuilding it each year. Then they built the crossing where David indicates and the road that can clearly be seen. In order to further back up David's find I have checked on railmaponline and can find no evidence of an abandoned railway, tramway, or industrial line or even a canal (no, really, I have!!). Be amazing to see a small excavation across the field, I have a spade, should one be required!! Ribchester looks like a wonderful place to walk around, those columns give the impression of an important town. Very enjoyable video, well done!! All the best!!
Thanks David and thank you for checking the railway line angle! Having looked at so many Roman roads now, the likelihood of changes over nearly 400 years of managed use seems, er, likely! I lean towards this road being a link, enabling travellers to bypass Ribchester. By virtue of that, it’s probable it came later. And I think you’re right about the river crossing having potentially moved due to problems on the floodplain. This one is definitely to be continued!
Thank you Baz - much appreciated. Noted re length and I’m working to make them a bit longer, but this one was very much determined by the story. Hopefully, though, we’ll get to do a follow up here. Cheers.
I was really excited when I sent the flying camera up and that very clear road appeared on my screen! You're right - it often takes a leap of faith to see these lost roads.
Fancy that, good on David and Carol...and your good self...best wishes from a wet windy wirral peninsula...adjacent to Roman road in deepest Prenton....E...😊😊😊
Thanks Stuart. Hopefully we’ll be able to progress this - David has already identified another possibility from reviewing the video! I struggle to succinctly describe the allure of Roman roads for me. It’s something to do with them being the first planned network (not repeated until the 18th century turnpikes); their huge afterlife and the mix of survivors and lost! Something like that!
Thank you for another superb and thought- provoking video. I absolutely love learning more and more about Roman roads and I wish you well with further investigation of this one. NB. Kudos to you and your guest for braving the rain 🌧️
Thanks Christine! It's difficult to define what's so intriguing about Roman roads in Britain. The fact they built this incredible network and some of it has survived and some of it hasn't. The afterlife of the network, is in some ways, more fascinating than its original creation. It was fantastic to be invited to see this new discovery and we're hoping the video will help David and Carole to secure engagement from the R.R.R.A who, I am sure, will be able to follow up on the ideas to help us determine what this road was. We'll keep you posted and hopefully the weather will be better for any follow ups!
hello again Darren, this was really interesting, what a find , find some treasure , they will be interested then lol, i love David's house, i enjoyed this video , well done and thank you 😊
Thanks Davie. My excitement level cranked up when I saw the road on my phone screen as I took the flying camera up. Very clear. Hopefully we’ll be able to do a follow up - there’s a Roman road mystery to be solved here!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd indeed yes. Our country has had people living on almost every square foot so finding some trace is inevitable almost everywhere you dig.
A very interesting video! I think David has something indeed. You also have a beautiful home there in that venerable old inn! Gorgeous. The Romans were smart about where they built things and certainly would have recognized a flood plain when they saw one. You know they scouted the river before selecting a site. They certainly would have taken notice of evidence of a river crossing being in David's spot from time immemorial. Perhaps they even had input from the locals as to the lay of the land and the traditional crossing sites. Of course, it would be interesting, to say the least, to see a map of the supposed position of the river during the Roman occupation. Would that not tell a lot?
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it. I’ve seen the LiDAR data that indicates the movement in the river which has led the Roman Roads Research Association to their bridge location. That shows the river to be in the same place as now where David’s crossing is. I think the stability of the river there points to its suitability as a bridging point. We will do an update on this one once we’ve got more info.
When the Lode Star pub closed a couple of hundred yards up the road all the live bands moved to the De Tabley Arms. There has been documentation uncovered in the Herculanium Scrolls about when the upheaval happened. My dad is mentioned as he propped the bar up at both.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd preston had the highest concentration so i believe. Its a real shame. My childjhood memories are full of pubs i frequented the lodestar and detabley unofficially quite often
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Another interesting video as always. Very intriguing, and as you say, maybe a bypass. Perhaps David and Carol could consider inviting a local Archaeology group to do some excavations 🤔. Thanks to David and Carol for inviting you to make this video
Thank you and yes, we’re hoping the video will help us secure the engagement of those with resources to take the investigation further. We’ll keep you posted.
Jolly good. I’m sure a local Archaeology society would be interested if approached ,if they haven’t already been. Unfortunately there is no funding available for professionals and radio carbon dating is expensive for amateur society’s
Hello Darren. Such a compelling argument by David. Very difficult to understand why it’s not being looked at in detail by the RRRA. Fingers crossed that someone can come along and prove the existence of David’s Roman Road. Brilliant episode sir. 👏👏👍😀
Exciting stuff! A very thorough and compelling case, very well presented by both your good self and David. Your "fake drone" was worth its weight in gold there for showing the road, really very striking from the air. It seemed particularly fitting to me that David's house was a former pub, and you can imagine an ancient inn (taberna?) on that site at that potentially important road junction. Good luck with the video, this really does feel like important stuff and let's hope it "blows up"!
Thanks Tweedy! Glad you caught the excitement - it is really interesting to find this in an area where we probably thought the road network was fully understood. My heart skipped a beat when the fake drone revealed the road on my phone screen! Yes, the pub being located next to all those old river crossings on a Roman road does make you wonder… We’ll keep you posted!
Is it my imagination or did David's accent (to my Canadian/American ear) sound very like Stewart Ainsworth from Time Team? (They even look summat alike!) In any event, I vote to go with David's assessment; the Roman Army Engineers (as modern Combat Engineers) were thoroughly trained to "read" the land and build where structures would last. Just my thoughts, for what they're worth. Cheers! from a North American with DEEP UK roots, now in the Willamette Valley of the Oregon Country.
Thank you. I had to look up where Stewart originated from and it was West Yorkshire - as opposed to David living in Lancashire. I don’t know where David comes from originally, though. The way he reads the landscape is similar too, isn’t it?!
Wow, what a fascinating find and video. You will have a tough time getting the experts to admit that they may be wrong. This could even get your channel noticed if it becomes more widely discussed. Let's hope so for all the work that you put in.
Cheers Ron! The video has already prompted a response from the R.R.R.A and I do have enormous respect for them. However, they're of the view that it's not a Roman road. I'm considering next steps and I do think there's more we can do to test this further. Regardless of the arguments about the current alignments and river crossing points, it remains clear to me that David and Carole have something in their garden that very much looks like a Roman road! Given the proximity to such an important Roman site, with so many roads radiating from it, I think the find is worthy of further analysis. Hopefully the BBC will pick up the story!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I am sure that the local amateur archaeological society would jump at the chance to investigate. David could give permission to excavate a small section of his land to see what lies underneath. If successful then carry on. Then the experts will flood in and claim it for their own as was done with a certain Saxon hoard.
Davids flood plain reasoning is sound and he definitely has a Roman road in his back garden and i'm glad smeone finally listened to him. But as far as your Channel being the new Time Team....Tony Robinson could only ever Dream of being cool enough to pull off Head to toe Tweed. Excellent Entertainment as per usual!
Thank you on many counts! I think that’s a Roman road in his garden and the sheer number of old crossings on that short stretch of river seems to suggest it’s long been recognised as a good place to get over the river!
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Thank you and yes absolutely. We’re hoping to attract the attention of the Roman Roads Research Association. David had tried, but had no luck. I think it’s a Roman road and needs to be understood!
This is excellent work. The “experts “ don’t like to be proven wrong by amateurs, however don’t be surprised if, sometime in the future, an expert discovers this 😂.
Thank you! You are absolutely right, they don’t like us upsetting the established conventions. Hopefully - because the Roman Roads Research Association do great work - we can get them to engage. We’ll see! I’m convinced David’s got an unknown Roman road in his garden!
In my experience the Roman roads association aren't interested unless its part of a major route. I contacted them about several Roman era roads discovered around Wakefield, I was told there are "no Roman roads there" despite the archaeology saying different.
Cheers and that’s a shame. Here I think the problem is that they think they’ve settled the network around Ribchester and this new discovery doesn’t fit. They’ve done great work, but I think a new discovery has emerged in David’s garden and it deserves to be investigated. We will persevere!
Could be my aging eyes but I'm pretty sure the ditches can still be seen running away from camera in the middle of the field at 11:48 ? Very entertaining vlog as always Darren 👍
I did and I initially thought the same, but I think that field is pretty much ploughed out. This is the thing with Roman road hunting - I regularly “see” them - and then “unsee” them! Thank you and I’m glad you enjoyed it. We will do a follow up if we get any further with it.
would this road have been paved and if so with what. I'd like to hear more about what it would have looked like. A slow merge from a current day shot into what it would have looked like in Roman times, everyone loves that kind of thing, sparks the imagination it does. Start with simple photos and build up your skills until you get that drone panning around and showing us all the Roman stuff from different angles like we were really there, anyway do that, cheers
In this area it could have been paved or it might have been a crushed stone surface. To resolve this one, we'll probably need to dig to find it. I really like the sound of those graphics! Leave it with me!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd i'd help you but unfortunately i don't have the skills. I'm sure you must have fans by now who could get involved. We're going to need a bigger team.
If David's right about having two Roman roads meeting on his property, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been a pub in that spot for a very long time indeed.
Forget Time Team, you do do and episode of Grand Designs in that house. Is it possible that over 300 years of Roman occupation there was more than one road built? After all just think of how often we have rerouted roads in more recent times.
Yes I think that’s the issue. The roads were managed here for 350 years - things would have developed and changed. To me, David’s road is a likely later enhancement to provide that bypass. Same with the river crossing - very reasonable to assume that may have changed. Thank you for your nice comments. I like being compared to Grand Designs!
Given the Roman propensity for throwing offerings into rivers at crossing points, has the river bed been swept at the suggested crossing sites for these offerings? The river looked fairly shallow.
Cheers! Next step for me is to walk up that footpath through the valley, where I think I can see something in the LiDAR that could be a terrace. We will do an update on this one.
You Brits are lucky. I wish the Romans had come to North America, (minus the slavery, we had enough problems with forced labor). I’d love to dig in my garden and find a Roman road or artifact.😊😊
And we have enough of those, in my opinion! I think the next challenge is likely to be getting it into the radar of those with the resources to investigate it further - the Roman road network there was probably considered “sorted” and this throws a spanner in the works!
I like the idea of a Roman By- pass! Now we just need to look for crop marks of out of town roman shopping centres and godforsaken industrial estates to confirm this hypothesis😜 AI is trained on social media input ergo its all millenial stuff. Spews out images that have passed us Gen X'rs by...(They do have some middle aged AI voices but not many🤣) In other news Ribchester looks worth a visit and Dave has a cool livingroom!
Cheers! I know the idea of a bypass seems a bit odd, but it has been identified elsewhere - there's an example up near Penrith. I lean towards that being what this road is. I love hammering antiquarian stuff into the TikTok friendly AI! Yes, Ribchester is definately worth a look. You can see some fort earthworks there and a bathhouse too.
@@ianmaddams9577 Hi Ian, that is the next step that David and Carole are considering. We’ll do an update on this once we’ve got more info to share. Cheers.
Don’t see the issue. Flood planes are not flooded most of the time. So why shouldn’t a bridge also be on a flood plain if it saves travelling time and adds convenience. Also wooden causeways were used from the Bronze Age on into Roman times so there may have been one there too.
Hi Darren, bet you the "experts" will secretly "discover" this road and claim the glory- hate to be proven wrong dont they? Like all so called academics snooty looking down their noses at the real people with the common sense- nought changes! 🏴🇬🇧😁
Cheers Carol! I'd like to think the R.R.R.A won't be like that and that the video will help us to secure their engagement, but I understand exactly why you say what you do. Let's hope, on this occasion, David and Carole end up getting the recognition they deserve for this exciting discovery!
Well, that is an interesting question. I frequently get challenged nowadays about what I wear. It seems to make some people nervous, insecure or even feel threatened. In a supposedly free country, I find that many people are bound by the rules “of the norm”. With dress, it’s ironic that the “norm” is determined by marketing people. The most “punk” thing one can do nowadays is to choose to wear a tie, it seems. I suspect I’d have worn a Georgian wig in the 1930s!
And in next week's episode of Antiquarian Gardener's World, Mr WC21 meets Sidney Smith who unearthed a previously unknown, but intact Roman fort as he was digging up his potatoes. That was a fascinating and informative vid. Huge thanks to David and Carole for allowing you to bring the story here for all to enjoy.
Thank you Phil! Yes, David and Carole were great and the discovery deserves to be recognised and investigated. Will keep you posted!
That’s my grandfather!
I’m very interested in how the romans would build their roads and buildings.
David was great and his ideas about the road in his garden are solid!
Fantastic work all at WC21 UK Productions ltd. The team at RRRA are a cracking bunch, I would absolutely send this across to them. Well done Darren.
Cheers Paul. It’s a really interesting find in an area where we probably thought the road network was understood. Hopefully we can get this in front of David Ratledge and co and see what comes of it.
One thing that I've learned from these videos is that pretty much everyone apart from me already knew the word "agger".
That made me chuckle - cheers! Please be assured, I didn’t know it once upon a time!
Sure you have heard of the famous song about the word...... agger do, do, do, push pineapple, shake the tree.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling 😂
Wonderful! Explained with such clarity and graphics - much appreciated. Cheers to David and yourself.
Thank you and that’s great feedback - I’m glad we were able to convey it in an understandable way. Will keep you posted on what happens next.
I think you are both spot on. David needs to get a team in to dig down a bit for definitive result. But I think you are right. Beautiful house too. Thanks for sharing.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling cheers Chris. Agreed. We need to dig to take it further.
Splendid effort, not only the historical content but also the nice interior shots. Marvellous William Morris curtains, and, as always, beautiful clothes.
Thanks Jeffrey! Glad you enjoyed it. I am a big William Morris fan - such beautiful designs!
Well done David. Great find.
Thanks. Yes, David and Carole are right to highlight what they've found. Hopefully we'll be able to do an update at some stage.
Hi Darren, what an intriguing video this was, big thanks to David for getting in touch and showing you his find and for allowing the WC21 film crew to clamber all over his house too.
One thought I had is that they might have started the route in an extended dry period and didn't consider the flood plain or simply underestimated it, and then got fed up of rebuilding it each year. Then they built the crossing where David indicates and the road that can clearly be seen.
In order to further back up David's find I have checked on railmaponline and can find no evidence of an abandoned railway, tramway, or industrial line or even a canal (no, really, I have!!). Be amazing to see a small excavation across the field, I have a spade, should one be required!!
Ribchester looks like a wonderful place to walk around, those columns give the impression of an important town.
Very enjoyable video, well done!!
All the best!!
Thanks David and thank you for checking the railway line angle!
Having looked at so many Roman roads now, the likelihood of changes over nearly 400 years of managed use seems, er, likely!
I lean towards this road being a link, enabling travellers to bypass Ribchester. By virtue of that, it’s probable it came later.
And I think you’re right about the river crossing having potentially moved due to problems on the floodplain.
This one is definitely to be continued!
Excellent look at a Roman Road, you don't see this on live TV these days
Thanks Philip. I agree - I wonder why not?
Fascinating! 👍
Hi Mike, glad you enjoyed it. We've got the follow up this coming Sunday!
Fascinating.
Thank you!
Brilliant WC21 another Great Production,Pity their not a Tad longer. Well Done Fantastic Orater
Thank you Baz - much appreciated. Noted re length and I’m working to make them a bit longer, but this one was very much determined by the story. Hopefully, though, we’ll get to do a follow up here. Cheers.
This was fascinating. Loved it.
Thank you! We’ll do an update somewhere down the line when we find more. Cheers.
Thanks
Cheers Squire!
Dig it!
That looks like the next step! We’ll do an update . Very exciting find.
Fast becoming my favourite channel. So inspiring too; I was born and raised in Cirencester, so I’m often “thinking of the Roman Empire”!
Cheers - that’s so encouraging to hear!
first time i have been able to instantly see the road without having it pointed out
I was really excited when I sent the flying camera up and that very clear road appeared on my screen! You're right - it often takes a leap of faith to see these lost roads.
Fancy that, good on David and Carol...and your good self...best wishes from a wet windy wirral peninsula...adjacent to Roman road in deepest Prenton....E...😊😊😊
Thank you! Autumn seems to have arrived good and proper.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd...not quite a season of mists and mellow fruitfulness....E
Yep, pretty convincing evidence there.
Thanks Hedley! The experts don’t agree, so we’ll be doing more to investigate this. Stay tuned!
Very interesting. Nice work. With your's and Paul's videos, I am getting a new found interest in Roman roads.
Thanks Stuart. Hopefully we’ll be able to progress this - David has already identified another possibility from reviewing the video!
I struggle to succinctly describe the allure of Roman roads for me. It’s something to do with them being the first planned network (not repeated until the 18th century turnpikes); their huge afterlife and the mix of survivors and lost! Something like that!
Excellent!
Thank you!
Excellent....
Cheers Billy!
Dr. Who cameo? Excellent. Carry on.
Well spotted! Black Orchid, season 19, 1982.
@@barryconway glad someone else noticed
Thank you for another superb and thought- provoking video.
I absolutely love learning more and more about Roman roads and I wish you well with further investigation of this one.
NB. Kudos to you and your guest for braving the rain 🌧️
Thanks Christine! It's difficult to define what's so intriguing about Roman roads in Britain. The fact they built this incredible network and some of it has survived and some of it hasn't. The afterlife of the network, is in some ways, more fascinating than its original creation.
It was fantastic to be invited to see this new discovery and we're hoping the video will help David and Carole to secure engagement from the R.R.R.A who, I am sure, will be able to follow up on the ideas to help us determine what this road was.
We'll keep you posted and hopefully the weather will be better for any follow ups!
Great stuff..agree 100%
Cheers Michael! We’re going to do more work on this and we will update.
hello again Darren, this was really interesting, what a find , find some treasure , they will be interested then lol, i love David's house, i enjoyed this video , well done and thank you 😊
Thanks Davie. My excitement level cranked up when I saw the road on my phone screen as I took the flying camera up. Very clear. Hopefully we’ll be able to do a follow up - there’s a Roman road mystery to be solved here!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd very true
Wow, that road stand out like a sore thumb.
I’d like to see some geophys on this
Wouldn’t that be great! And in the field over the hedge would be very useful!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd indeed yes.
Our country has had people living on almost every square foot so finding some trace is inevitable almost everywhere you dig.
A very interesting video! I think David has something indeed. You also have a beautiful home there in that venerable old inn! Gorgeous. The Romans were smart about where they built things and certainly would have recognized a flood plain when they saw one. You know they scouted the river before selecting a site. They certainly would have taken notice of evidence of a river crossing being in David's spot from time immemorial. Perhaps they even had input from the locals as to the lay of the land and the traditional crossing sites. Of course, it would be interesting, to say the least, to see a map of the supposed position of the river during the Roman occupation. Would that not tell a lot?
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it.
I’ve seen the LiDAR data that indicates the movement in the river which has led the Roman Roads Research Association to their bridge location. That shows the river to be in the same place as now where David’s crossing is. I think the stability of the river there points to its suitability as a bridging point.
We will do an update on this one once we’ve got more info.
I like a man with a theory; interesting stuff.
Thank you. David’s passion is great. We will update on this one as more comes to light.
Very interesting. I also have a 'Roman Road' I think is wrong near me
Thanks Monty. Whereabouts is that - worth an investigation?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Near me in Mid Wales, I'll FB you about it
Top class, gold medal antiquarianing on display here. Collingwood meets Phil Harding.
Cheers Adam! You've made my day with that comparison - thank you!
Appreciate you have moved on to using colour film for your productions.
And no extra extra license fee, either!
When the Lode Star pub closed a couple of hundred yards up the road all the live bands moved to the De Tabley Arms. There has been documentation uncovered in the Herculanium Scrolls about when the upheaval happened. My dad is mentioned as he propped the bar up at both.
Thanks - a nice anecdote! So many pubs are no more...
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd preston had the highest concentration so i believe. Its a real shame. My childjhood memories are full of pubs i frequented the lodestar and detabley unofficially quite often
@@69waveydavey yep, same. My past is now like something from a different planet.
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Really appreciate the introduction - I will look out for that. 4K subs is my next goal so any help is hugely appreciated! But best is that you’re enjoying the content. Cheers!
Another interesting video as always. Very intriguing, and as you say, maybe a bypass. Perhaps David and Carol could consider inviting a local Archaeology group to do some excavations 🤔. Thanks to David and Carol for inviting you to make this video
Thank you and yes, we’re hoping the video will help us secure the engagement of those with resources to take the investigation further. We’ll keep you posted.
Jolly good. I’m sure a local Archaeology society would be interested if approached ,if they haven’t already been. Unfortunately there is no funding available for professionals and radio carbon dating is expensive for amateur society’s
Hello Darren. Such a compelling argument by David. Very difficult to understand why it’s not being looked at in detail by the RRRA. Fingers crossed that someone can come along and prove the existence of David’s Roman Road. Brilliant episode sir. 👏👏👍😀
Cheers and we're looking at next steps. Probably need to dig to find some evidence in order to secure their engagement. Will keep you posted.
Exciting stuff! A very thorough and compelling case, very well presented by both your good self and David. Your "fake drone" was worth its weight in gold there for showing the road, really very striking from the air.
It seemed particularly fitting to me that David's house was a former pub, and you can imagine an ancient inn (taberna?) on that site at that potentially important road junction.
Good luck with the video, this really does feel like important stuff and let's hope it "blows up"!
Thanks Tweedy! Glad you caught the excitement - it is really interesting to find this in an area where we probably thought the road network was fully understood.
My heart skipped a beat when the fake drone revealed the road on my phone screen!
Yes, the pub being located next to all those old river crossings on a Roman road does make you wonder…
We’ll keep you posted!
Is it my imagination or did David's accent (to my Canadian/American ear) sound very like Stewart Ainsworth from Time Team?
(They even look summat alike!)
In any event, I vote to go with David's assessment; the Roman Army Engineers (as modern Combat Engineers) were thoroughly trained to "read" the land and build where structures would last. Just my thoughts, for what they're worth.
Cheers! from a North American with DEEP UK roots, now in the Willamette Valley of the Oregon Country.
Thank you. I had to look up where Stewart originated from and it was West Yorkshire - as opposed to David living in Lancashire. I don’t know where David comes from originally, though. The way he reads the landscape is similar too, isn’t it?!
Wow, what a fascinating find and video. You will have a tough time getting the experts to admit that they may be wrong. This could even get your channel noticed if it becomes more widely discussed. Let's hope so for all the work that you put in.
Cheers Ron!
The video has already prompted a response from the R.R.R.A and I do have enormous respect for them. However, they're of the view that it's not a Roman road. I'm considering next steps and I do think there's more we can do to test this further. Regardless of the arguments about the current alignments and river crossing points, it remains clear to me that David and Carole have something in their garden that very much looks like a Roman road! Given the proximity to such an important Roman site, with so many roads radiating from it, I think the find is worthy of further analysis.
Hopefully the BBC will pick up the story!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I am sure that the local amateur archaeological society would jump at the chance to investigate. David could give permission to excavate a small section of his land to see what lies underneath. If successful then carry on. Then the experts will flood in and claim it for their own as was done with a certain Saxon hoard.
@@RonSeymour1 that does seem to be how it goes….!
Davids flood plain reasoning is sound and he definitely has a Roman road in his back garden and i'm glad smeone finally listened to him. But as far as your Channel being the new Time Team....Tony Robinson could only ever Dream of being cool enough to pull off Head to toe Tweed. Excellent Entertainment as per usual!
Thank you on many counts!
I think that’s a Roman road in his garden and the sheer number of old crossings on that short stretch of river seems to suggest it’s long been recognised as a good place to get over the river!
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Hi, I love that feedback - those are things I put effort into that are rarely acknowledged! Cheers and welcome - thanks for subscribing.
Will you let us know how this pans out as the investigation goes on. It's so interesting. Another good video btw.
Thank you and yes absolutely. We’re hoping to attract the attention of the Roman Roads Research Association. David had tried, but had no luck. I think it’s a Roman road and needs to be understood!
This is excellent work. The “experts “ don’t like to be proven wrong by amateurs, however don’t be surprised if, sometime in the future, an expert discovers this 😂.
Thank you!
You are absolutely right, they don’t like us upsetting the established conventions. Hopefully - because the Roman Roads Research Association do great work - we can get them to engage. We’ll see!
I’m convinced David’s got an unknown Roman road in his garden!
In my experience the Roman roads association aren't interested unless its part of a major route. I contacted them about several Roman era roads discovered around Wakefield, I was told there are "no Roman roads there" despite the archaeology saying different.
Cheers and that’s a shame. Here I think the problem is that they think they’ve settled the network around Ribchester and this new discovery doesn’t fit. They’ve done great work, but I think a new discovery has emerged in David’s garden and it deserves to be investigated. We will persevere!
Could be my aging eyes but I'm pretty sure the ditches can still be seen running away from camera in the middle of the field at 11:48 ?
Very entertaining vlog as always Darren 👍
I did and I initially thought the same, but I think that field is pretty much ploughed out. This is the thing with Roman road hunting - I regularly “see” them - and then “unsee” them!
Thank you and I’m glad you enjoyed it. We will do a follow up if we get any further with it.
would this road have been paved and if so with what. I'd like to hear more about what it would have looked like. A slow merge from a current day shot into what it would have looked like in Roman times, everyone loves that kind of thing, sparks the imagination it does. Start with simple photos and build up your skills until you get that drone panning around and showing us all the Roman stuff from different angles like we were really there, anyway do that, cheers
In this area it could have been paved or it might have been a crushed stone surface. To resolve this one, we'll probably need to dig to find it. I really like the sound of those graphics! Leave it with me!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd i'd help you but unfortunately i don't have the skills. I'm sure you must have fans by now who could get involved. We're going to need a bigger team.
If David's right about having two Roman roads meeting on his property, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's been a pub in that spot for a very long time indeed.
That’s an intoxicating thought - no pun intended. David is looking at a dig, so we’ll do an update on this once we have more info. Cheers.
Thanks to this video, i feel like a latte
Cheers! I enjoyed mine - it was miserable that day!
Forget Time Team, you do do and episode of Grand Designs in that house. Is it possible that over 300 years of Roman occupation there was more than one road built? After all just think of how often we have rerouted roads in more recent times.
Yes I think that’s the issue. The roads were managed here for 350 years - things would have developed and changed. To me, David’s road is a likely later enhancement to provide that bypass. Same with the river crossing - very reasonable to assume that may have changed.
Thank you for your nice comments. I like being compared to Grand Designs!
It's truly uncanny - Phil Harding could indeed be your twin.
Who'd have thought it.
I just need to sort the accent out!
Given the Roman propensity for throwing offerings into rivers at crossing points, has the river bed been swept at the suggested crossing sites for these offerings? The river looked fairly shallow.
Hi, I fully intend to do some wading! The various former bridges there were interesting in their own right. Could be productive, I think. Cheers.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Not the Ernie Wise legs on show again!
@@TheSonsofFalstaff oh yes, I forgot about that. It's not fair on the audience!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Hahahaha
If you look at the Google Earth historic aerial imagery for this area you can track the road over several fields in some of the images.
Cheers! Next step for me is to walk up that footpath through the valley, where I think I can see something in the LiDAR that could be a terrace. We will do an update on this one.
You Brits are lucky. I wish the Romans had come to North America, (minus the slavery, we had enough problems with forced labor). I’d love to dig in my garden and find a Roman road or artifact.😊😊
Thank you and yes we are. There’s history everywhere here. It’s as if every square mile has been used at some stage!
Perhaps they don’t want to do further excavation because it might spoil someone’s plans for a new Tescos…
And we have enough of those, in my opinion! I think the next challenge is likely to be getting it into the radar of those with the resources to investigate it further - the Roman road network there was probably considered “sorted” and this throws a spanner in the works!
If only we could see what was under the ground.
Yes! That’s probably going to have to be the next step. We will update on this one.
I like the idea of a Roman By- pass! Now we just need to look for crop marks of out of town roman shopping centres and godforsaken industrial estates to confirm this hypothesis😜
AI is trained on social media input ergo its all millenial stuff. Spews out images that have passed us Gen X'rs by...(They do have some middle aged AI voices but not many🤣)
In other news Ribchester looks worth a visit and Dave has a cool livingroom!
Cheers! I know the idea of a bypass seems a bit odd, but it has been identified elsewhere - there's an example up near Penrith. I lean towards that being what this road is.
I love hammering antiquarian stuff into the TikTok friendly AI!
Yes, Ribchester is definately worth a look. You can see some fort earthworks there and a bathhouse too.
It would be great to do a small excavation to see it again
@@ianmaddams9577 Hi Ian, that is the next step that David and Carole are considering. We’ll do an update on this once we’ve got more info to share. Cheers.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd great news
And david definitely has a roman nose
Someone once said I had one - what do you think of mine?
Don’t see the issue. Flood planes are not flooded most of the time. So why shouldn’t a bridge also be on a flood plain if it saves travelling time and adds convenience. Also wooden causeways were used from the Bronze Age on into Roman times so there may have been one there too.
Cheers. Yes I get that, but I do think the bridge - wherever it was - is likely to have come second, with the ford being used initially. Thanks.
Your video at 1:43 and Time Team season 1 episode 2 at 10:17: ruclips.net/video/TOFRow84szo/видео.html I thought those columns looked familiar.
Well spotted! I did that from memory, so thanks for the clip!
Have emailed the Association copying you
Thanks Richard. I will check that out now.
Hi Darren, bet you the "experts" will secretly "discover" this road and claim the glory- hate to be proven wrong dont they? Like all so called academics snooty looking down their noses at the real people with the common sense- nought changes! 🏴🇬🇧😁
Cheers Carol!
I'd like to think the R.R.R.A won't be like that and that the video will help us to secure their engagement, but I understand exactly why you say what you do. Let's hope, on this occasion, David and Carole end up getting the recognition they deserve for this exciting discovery!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtddon't hold your breath mate! 😂
Have our dress standards declined since the 1930s?
Well, that is an interesting question. I frequently get challenged nowadays about what I wear. It seems to make some people nervous, insecure or even feel threatened.
In a supposedly free country, I find that many people are bound by the rules “of the norm”. With dress, it’s ironic that the “norm” is determined by marketing people.
The most “punk” thing one can do nowadays is to choose to wear a tie, it seems. I suspect I’d have worn a Georgian wig in the 1930s!