... I... I actually wonder if there is any actual piracy in One Piece. Not that there needs to be or anything, it's just like that "There's no paper in Star Wars" factoid.
@@HolyDeviant1 there is piracy in One Piece, it’s just usually done by other pirate crews off screen since the Straw Hats are too chill to do that usually. On the rare occasion the Luffy does decide to steal some stuff, but at the end of an arc so the locals were about to give him more than he ends up taking as thanks.
Didn't the Straw Hats steal some of the gold from Skypeaia after defeating Enel? I could be remembering it wrong since it's been a while but I could've sworn they did
Stoked you guys found your footing enough to feel comfortable doing this again. Glad life has kinda stabilized for you! Super cool to hear Geoff's retrospective on past material. That kind of 'behind the scenes' look into content creation is always super cool. Oh, and congrats on the new place!
Hating on part skippers is a big meme in the JoJo fanbase so a lot of people just automatically hated on the idea of the video without watching and those that did watch were just looking for stuff to complain about in their own videos
Yea, and it's weird. I remember the video dropping, and the take away I got from it is really something I agree with. Jojo is really good, every part ( except 6) tells a self contained story that you need little to no context from prior parts to understand, so watch the one that seems the most interesting. If it hooks you watch others
I appreciate the info about kissanime at the beginning, bc it’s literally the first I’m hearing of it. Also, so much respect for the direction you took with having a change of heart. I’m all for the ethical consumption of literally everything, but that does require a level of class privilege. In the early days, Adobe never cracked down hard on people pirating their software bc they knew those same people would be paying users eventually. I pirated photoshop 15 years ago just so I could make custom sprays for counter strike. In my professional career, I’ve been paying Adobe for over 8 years now so I think they’ve broke even lol
@@airplanes_aren.t_real more like they knew that students would pirate their software and learn to use it. Later, they would ask their employer to use Adobe software - and it's way more risky for a medium-sized company to pirate it.
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Unis tend to form conventions with certain companies to allow the students the use of their software knowing that they will prefer their services once they start working. It's always good to see what conventions your school has.
I found you as a teenager. At that time I was very much into the ragebait 'SAO is trash' content. Now I am old enough to think I am an adult, and i've come to appreciate the much more nuanced roast videos, and the kinder vibe of your content as a whole now. Coincidence or not, its almost like your content and I have matured together.
Less a thing Geoff was wrong about so much as predictions that didn't age well, but I'd love to see a follow-up on series that you were SURE they'd stick the landing only to fall flat on their face, like Babylon and KADO. (The latter of which still stings.) It's really nice that your perspective continues to grow and change and that you're willing to reconsider points you've argued before, so thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to more podcast hangouts. As somebody that's been around for all of these takes, good and bad (god, I think since your Undertale review, which fucks me up to no end), super excited to see where you both go from here!
This was something I was actually expecting from the podcast, though as you correctly pointed out, they were less Geoff being wrong as much as predictions that didn't really pan out. In a future episode I would really like to hear Geoff's take on the rest of Babylon, which at this point is definitely something that won't warrant its own video.
@@RFieth What do you mean it won't warrant its own video? I NEED a rant about Babylon's fall to move on one day, because I'm still mad and unable to put into words just how many things went wrong with that 😂
Big big big respect. Comes across as someone who genuinely considered other perspectives to his own. What frustrates me is when people just change their mind solely because they got clapback and just concede even the good points that they had because they want to appease people. You have to be able to stick to your guns when you need to but recognise when you need to take a step back. Always bear this balance in mind
Thats such an honest and unambiguously good take on piracy! I didn’t know all the negatives of those streaming sites, but I also struggle to pay for streaming services, and Ill die on the hill of supporting fan manga translations. Thanks for revisiting!
Profiteering off piracy is definitely scummy but piracy itself is morally fine in my eyes because as the famous quote from Gabe Newell goes "piracy is a failure of service." I buy media when the service meets my needs and makes me feel like I actually own it. Streaming sites come and go as well as routinely lock away stuff that didn't used to be premium (looking at you CR). When it comes to videogames I only buy on Steam/GOG for PC because I don't trust other platforms to not take away or shut down my games.
As someone who got into modern anime after discovering and loving Kakegurui, and who remembered feeling pretty called out by your video(s) on it... AND as a current Rent-a-GF enjoyer, this episode's breakdown of your modern approach to roast vids has persuaded me to stop ignoring the Rent-a-Roast. Cheers, folks.
No disrespect but I couldn’t help but laugh that Kakegurui of all animes was the one that got u into the modern stuff. As for rent-a-garbage, that shit is fucking trash and deserves all the hate, I read the entirety of the manga and watched the anime. Of course I don’t really care what you like, you’re free to enjoy whatever the hell you want, I just thought it was funny.
@@The_Lightless Saying "you can enjoy whatever you want" and then going on to shit on his taste is preety dick move and trying to pretend you are not being a dick. I also don't love both the anime mentioned above but I think you should probably keep some thought in your mind. Just an advice.
I love Rent-a-GF. I think I'm the biggest fan of it ever. I would still recommend to anyone who likes it to watch the roast, not because I agree with the points, but in order to understand what people are seeing and missing in the show that makes them dislike it.
This was a dope video for a couple of reasons 1. It’s always cool to me to see RUclipsrs revisit old videos and takes either for a good laugh or to re-evaluate what they said and address them as their present selves. 2. You actually feel differently and have grown into a different person/content creator and can give us different opinions on these things and even tell us a bit about how you felt in that moment as opposed to now. 3. You have a bit of a behind scenes look at how you thought about generating content and engagement 4. I had no idea the backlash for certain videos ever got that bad. That’s the dark side of RUclips or social media in general most people will never see because their platform is nowhere near as big as yours but despite what you may have done to rile them up it sounds like they went too far. Way too far. No one should have to deal with that. Glad to see y’all both have pushed through those bad times and are still doing well. Thank you both for the great content.
I’ve been following you for about a year and this is the first time I’ve seen you interact with your wife and she’s incredibly charming and funny and smart and I love your dynamic. Definitely subscribing.
I mean your Black Clover video got me to read the manga actually, didn't expect it to be quite as good as it was but even when you're flaming something you manage to make at least some good points clear
I just want to say that I think both you guys are great. I know negativity not only stands out more, but also has that tendency to snowball and just overshadow everything else. So, yeah, just wanted to make it clear, I've been watching on and off since those early SAO days and I think both of yall are a bright spot on this youtube landscape.
I get that man. My dad passed recently to and it does leave you with that hollow feeling but it does really help that my family don’t keep a stigma of not talking about him and keep him close to heart through humor and remembering his words
My main bit of feedback is the volume fluctuation as you move your mouths towards and away from the microphones are a bit distracting and make it hard to hear sometimes, which sucks because all the topics you discuss are really interesting!
Agreed. And since many times they look at each other while monologuing (& esp when responding to each other), it’d make sense for the mics to be placed btwn the two. (It might make eye contact awkward tho.)
Your piracy discussion gave me flashbacks to when I had an entire argument with my high school economics teacher about why piracy is fine actually. I personally disagree with some parts of what you said about piracy (at least what could be picked up from how you put it, you obviously didnt go into too much detail), but I also only pirate stuff that literally isn't available elsewhere unless you buy it from Apple or Amazon or whatever, and in the cases I do pirate I know getting it legitimately would help corporations more than creators. I also make sure to spread word-of-mouth about anime I like because I want as many people as I can get to know and support good anime. I have the same thought for games. Why would I buy a game that's out of print for a thousand bucks that all goes to some random nobody when u could just... get it for free? Piracy is a tricky topic but in my opinion there are definitely reason to pirate media.
Yeah, I also have no issue with pirating stuff that I paid for when it was new but no longer have for a variety of reasons (giving things away, moving like 50 times, downsizing over and over, etc)
Piracy is my gateway to realizing how regional pricing and global currency exchange, despite being as balanced as it is, is bound to f**k someone over. Even harder realizing many of the creators are the primary victim of it.
Call me crazy but I think kakegururi is like Sherlock Holmes. The reader/watcher isn’t supposed to be afraid for the protagonist but be in awe of how they use their wiles to outsmart their opponent.
The tension in Kakegurui doesn't come from whether Jabami will win - she WILL win. It comes from the fact that she doesn't actually care about the consequences, she just enjoys the thrill of possibly losing. Ultimately, she can't be trusted not to put all the people who depend on her on the line just for the thrill of it, to keep pushing the stakes higher, and potentially to fuck them over if it makes the game more interesting for her. Yes she ends up saving the day, but she does so because she's an addict, not a hero, and therefore can't be wholly relied upon. (Some versions of Sherlock Holmes also take this approach, so I think the comparison is apt, there's just more to it. It's also notable that they are both ostensibly from the perspective of a relatively passive character who is swept up into the actual protagonist's world)
@@Ceighk I also love that, unlike many other gambling anime, the main character NEVER cheats. In fact, the one match that's rigged in her favor makes her actively angry. It's great
@@Ceighk This makes me remember the one Sherlock anime set in Kabukicho and were Moriarty is actually a younger man who's part of the neighborhood that Sherlockl lives in. So the tension isn't that Sherlock or Moriarty will die, but when/how/why Moriarty will shift/why he's in the "good" side at the start.
Coming from your latest video on media preservation and your more nuanced take on piracy and community fostering, it's so good to see how much a person can grow up on their views and stance on certain subjects as they gain more knowledge on the matter or simply by having more time to re-valuate their core values. This was a nice down to earth podcast episode Geoff.
Yay, it is back, and welcome to Alberta! I really loved the podcast during the lockdown, and I fondly remember sitting down playing NetHack with yall in the background to waste away slow evenings ^___^
Love to see you both back! 💙 I gotta say, I love how Geoff's videos evolved to make it to what they are today. The Roast format is great, it never feels like you're making fun of people for liking something, and in general I love that there's a lot more positivity and pointing out the good stuff even when you're making a critique. You really get to the meat of what works and doesn't work about a particular anime. P.S: WHAT A CUTE CAT 💕
Definitely really loving the new Roast format and the better, more positive content you've been putting out, but I have to say a part of me is a bit sad to see some of the old more critically focused content go. There were definitely stuff in there that was way too mean, although I enjoyed seeing you go into some of the criticisms there. Honestly, your Alicization video is one of my favorites, and while I know you're done with SAO, it's a bit sad we'll never see you cover part 2 or Progressive, since both were properties that did interesting things I was curious to hear your thoughts about. Maybe one day.
Glad to see the channel's return! This video offers some great insight on how someone who's been in the RUclips game for long enough can change their style and behavior, not to mention the absolutely horrible side of dealing with hateful comments. Everyone always says they can brush aside the hate thanks to seeing all the great comments left by others, but the Jojo debacle (which I had been completely unaware of) can prove that it can be hard to do that sometimes. Others have already made the same comment about turning away from the mics, but there's also the occasional overlap of voices due to the way the mics are pointed. I don't know how manageable this is in your new apartment, but the Dead Meat Podcast's old setup of the two facing each other from across the table (i.e. mics pointing right at their mouths but away from each other) seemed to work really well for them. They also have a cat who likes getting up on the table while they record, so you'd even have room for Bobby and Junkrat to interrupt!
I just found the main channel recently, and I found it through positive content. Which makes me happy because if I found it through the negative I would just block the channel and go on with my life. So I just want to say that the decision to focus more on making positive content is the right decision. And another thing. One of your videos is on my list of “top videos of the internet”. Which is the list of videos that I always recommend to people. So yeah, I love your videos. Keep focusing on the positives, you have no idea how it helps people going through rough times.
If it makes you feel better Geoff, I actually started with Diamond is Unbreakable like a year prior to that video and totally agreed with you lol. Granted I also was kinda used to syndicated TV where I started FMA:Brotherhood on episode 30 on toonami and still loved it, so I had similar experiences with early anime as you guys
It's a really respectable thing to do stuff like this. I'd like to hope that I'd be able to post a video like this in their shoes. People admitting when they're wrong or have made mistakes should be encouraged!
This is really interesting to watch from a production perspective. Understanding what drives engagement is an important aspect of business, especially regarding online content creation. I also enjoy the “then and now” ideas and arguments put forth. Generally I prefer Geoff’s polished content on the main channel, however the informal vibe and brainstorming model presented here are both very rewarding. It’s a bonus to see two people interacting in a way that is productive and healthy as well. This conversation is very different than the types of conversations I’ve had with my bf for the past two years roughly. The way both people’s inputs are organically received and reacted to is very refreshing. I knew my current relationship was on the way out, but this really hammers home what I could have had, but didn’t as a result of clinging to a dying, destructive relationship.
It's good to see this back. Longer form, but less formal podcast has a certain place that scripted videos don't fit. This made me look back and scroll through all the Mother's Basement videos I've missed which made me notice all of the anime I have missed in the past few years and also feel a little old.
I liked the Kaiji video, I never had the impression that Geoff hated Kakegurui and I want to watch both shows partly thanks to those videos. I also love hay Jazy helps him express himself better in the appologies and regrets :3
Awesome video! Haven't seen one of these before but if figured this was a great one to start with. Nice to hear how you've grown! Keep up the amazing work!
I was so excited to see this pop up on my feed!! I swear two days ago I was just checking in to see if any new content was posted so this really couldn't have come at a better time :)
Oh yeah watching anime in the US was very close to the same as you guys said. You watched whatever was on toonami that day and you were happy with it. If you got some in order cool but yeah what was on was what was on and that’s what you get.
Geoff, I appreciate the walk-back on the piracy thing even if it took a while. I've resubscribed to you and subscribed to this channel and Best Girl's channel. Looking forward to seeing both of your work.
RUclips deleted my followup comment but you're still right about KissAnime, and profiting off of piracy is widely regarded to be a bad thing. This is part of why a lot of people don't like Crunchyroll.
Contentwise the podcast was good. I think that having a theme or main subject to give direction to the conversation helps a lot. There was a lot of audio issues, but I hope that those have gotten ironed out. Both of you keep being awesome!
With Alberta (specifically Calgary) being the only province in Canada I've ever really visited and explored, I have to say kudos for the move. I really enjoyed my time there. I know living and visiting are two very different things, but I hope Alberta is kind to you both.
I just want to say that your and Super Eyepatch Wolf's videos got me to watch Kaiji and I will be forever grateful to you both for that, but I will also forever hate you both for making me suffer through the freaking Bog arc. It lived up to its freaking name. Dear god.
I agree a lot with your take on piracy - for me, the only thing that pisses me off is that some people just don't wanna pay for shit but act like you're taking away their rights if you don't let them have it anyway. Especially when they're using that justification to pirate stuff by indie creators or torrenting charity bundles.
Also, because of the more depressing topics talked about in this episode. In the interest of spreading positivity, I just wanna say that both of you are my favourite anime youtubers, and Geoff's videos in particular have helped me be more critical of the shows I watch, and helped me develop the skills I have now to actually critique media in a meaningful way. And I really love the podcast and I hope to see more!
So, I’m late. Bokksu is fantastic. I’m working my way through my Matsuri Nights box and I think it is the best so far. Edit: I love you both. [signed] Nana
I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone could ever call Yazy fat, she is incredibly tiny right now and imagining her actually being read as fat is impossible to my tiny brain
This podcast provided quite an interesting stance on internet preservation & actually made many agreeable arguments in regards to why internet preservation through peer-to-peer methods are beneficial. Thanks Geoff & Yazy - I’m glad y’all made this, helps widen my perspective! :))
The other reason to pirate that people don't think of is internet connection. In rural areas, internet speeds are pure garbage and Crunchyroll literally doesn't work on it. A download may take forever on that internet too, but once its downloaded, it at least plays smoothly 😂
Geoff, I'm curious to know if your opinion on Black Clover evolved further over the last two years. The elf arc is one of the best new gen arcs. And 80 chapters in you barely scratch the surface of that arc.
I'd love an updates ethics on piracy video because this was really interesting. I still remember the original video which really stood out. This time the video could be a little more exploratory and less trying to convince.
so glad y'all are on here again! you can totally skip parts; i got bored with, and skipped part 3 part way through (ba dum tss) because it was all over the internet, and so i knew the 'important' information. to say nothing of the fact that there's always summarizing if things are relevant later.
I wonder if we'll ever get a Symphogear video from you, I do recall you watched it a bit and didn't follow up. Maybe around the time Symphogear LIVE 2022 rolls around.
reasons black clover is like naruto: MC wants to be the best guy and the leader reasons black clover is like blue exorcist: there are two twin brothers who are orphans raised in a church. the older one is taller, handsome, calm and quiet, and is conventionally talented and powerful; while the younger one is short, loud, extremely physically strong, and his power is extremely unconventional and relies on the power of a demon that they are related to. both brothers are members of an organization where they have to climb the ranks of knighthood to reach the top (even the ranks themselves are basically identical), with the younger brother getting stuck with a band of misfits, and the older brother getting to rub shoulders with the eccentric powerhouses of the upper ranks of the org
As someone who has pirated a lot of anime via torrents in addition to buying a LOT of physical media and subscribing to multiple legit anime streaming services, I was really confused at first about you mentioning being "wrong" about pirating while standing behind the bashing of the pirate streaming sites. I watched and LOVED your "How Much Money-" video and remember agreeing with you on virtually every point! Seriously it's one of my favorite videos you've ever done (outside of the amazing anime-from-a-cult video series). But then I guess the really "bad take" video was one that was taken down before I ever had a chance to watch it. Well, I suppose I'm both sad and glad that I didn't watch it while it was up. I'm happy that you've developed a more nuanced view on media piracy!
On the topic of watching anime out of order; That's exactly how I watched FLCL, and I believe worked very well. It remains my favorite anime even though my friends shit on it lol
As a Basement fan that started within the last 8ish months, glad to see that this is running to add more content to watch / listen! (also side note, what mic stands do you use??)
as someone that used to watch a lot of anime back i the day and barely does anymore my biggest issue with the stance all piracy is bad was the fact that sometimes places like cruchyroll just decided not to have the show available where i lived so it'd i couldn't watch it there even if i wanted too
so idk how im just finding this channel and this pod, but i rmbr that jojo stuff so clearly. and i rmbr so clearly being on your side about the idea of picking and choosing where to start jojo if that's what it takes to get more people to enjoy this series. sucks to hear u somehow ended up being the apologetic one in that scenario. overall great pod tho. i didnt realize how many of these takes i was actually here for...
Hey, welcome to Alberta, it kinda sucks, but is also kinda great at the same time. It's weird here. We have a lot of Jeff's, seriously, every school I've ever been too and every job I've ever had, there's always been at least one other Jeff. Clearly you have to change your name, there are too many of us. ;p On another note, it's cool too see you look back and talk about regrets and stuff. While I'm sure videos like this are less popular, I personally think it's really good to see. In terms of Reki, personally, I've always thought he just got famous too early. The original SAO was... meh, but it was a really cool concept stuffed into a format that didn't suit it. Then he got super famous without the time to really develop as a writer. At least that's my educated guess about why the Alfheim arc exists. Having read most of his SAO stuff, I do see him improving as a writer, especially with the Progressive books. Is it amazing, no, but I still rather enjoy it despite it's flaws.
The podcast is reaply good! I'm looking forward to new episodes and the other videos you both decide to make, you both have gotten me into some manga I never would've given a chance if you hadn't made videos on them
Black Clover reads to me like a what if Naruto replaced Ichigo in Bleach with with a lot of the story issues of the latter. I gave it a second shot when the buzz picked back up on it, but it really felt like when Bleach was more about finding out what everyone’s Bankais looked like rather than telling a real story.
I mean, as a Black Clover fan, I think your video about its first few episodes was entirely fair. It was a poorly paced adaptation of a manga that honestly doesn't hit its groove until like the second or third major story arc with a bunch of production issues that hadn't been figured out, an inexperienced lead actor who was overdoing it to the point where it was a legitimate reason to drop the show, and a hype machine from Crunchyroll that only served to magnify its flaws all the more. That being said, I'm happy to say that both the manga and the anime hit its stride and it's a very fun action romp as long as you don't think about the setting and lore too hard.
I've been through the whole pirating thing, and so on both with music, videos and anime. There's a lot of facets to it, and I think a lot of fans are assholes about it, but in general, I have been exposed to more stuff and bought more physical media because of my piracy. Since current trends are about lost media, I repeat the same things I did back then, which is that people should buy physical more often and keep physical media...
Really interesting video, it definitely seemed like a window into how you used to make videos and how you've grown and changed. Thanks. Thats really hard to do, specially admitting when you've been wrong.
4 years ago: hates piracy
1 year ago: watch one piece
1 month ago: says that piracy is not so bad.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Geoff should do a ethics or piracy video but the piracy is the piracy in one piece
... I... I actually wonder if there is any actual piracy in One Piece. Not that there needs to be or anything, it's just like that "There's no paper in Star Wars" factoid.
@@HolyDeviant1 what the fuck. This is all I'll be thinking about for the rest of the week.
@@CluelessAnon The piracy or the paper? I'm actually not sure if the paper one is still true (haven't caught up with current SW) but it might be!
@@HolyDeviant1 there is piracy in One Piece, it’s just usually done by other pirate crews off screen since the Straw Hats are too chill to do that usually. On the rare occasion the Luffy does decide to steal some stuff, but at the end of an arc so the locals were about to give him more than he ends up taking as thanks.
Didn't the Straw Hats steal some of the gold from Skypeaia after defeating Enel? I could be remembering it wrong since it's been a while but I could've sworn they did
So what I'm hearing is you had a year of couples therapy following the Erased argument
Stoked you guys found your footing enough to feel comfortable doing this again. Glad life has kinda stabilized for you! Super cool to hear Geoff's retrospective on past material. That kind of 'behind the scenes' look into content creation is always super cool.
Oh, and congrats on the new place!
I never realized that the JoJo backlash was that serious. Really sorry that happened to y'all. I hope that something like that doesn't happen again
Anitwit is nothing if not ready to flip an absolute tit over innocuous opinions
also i think it was made a looot bigger since big ani-tubers tweeted about it and said NO or shit like that
Hating on part skippers is a big meme in the JoJo fanbase so a lot of people just automatically hated on the idea of the video without watching and those that did watch were just looking for stuff to complain about in their own videos
Yea, and it's weird. I remember the video dropping, and the take away I got from it is really something I agree with. Jojo is really good, every part ( except 6) tells a self contained story that you need little to no context from prior parts to understand, so watch the one that seems the most interesting. If it hooks you watch others
Jojo is garbage, however if someone else likes it, then power to 'em I guess.
I appreciate the info about kissanime at the beginning, bc it’s literally the first I’m hearing of it. Also, so much respect for the direction you took with having a change of heart. I’m all for the ethical consumption of literally everything, but that does require a level of class privilege.
In the early days, Adobe never cracked down hard on people pirating their software bc they knew those same people would be paying users eventually. I pirated photoshop 15 years ago just so I could make custom sprays for counter strike. In my professional career, I’ve been paying Adobe for over 8 years now so I think they’ve broke even lol
So adobe basically gave free samples because they trusted on the service?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real more like they knew that students would pirate their software and learn to use it. Later, they would ask their employer to use Adobe software - and it's way more risky for a medium-sized company to pirate it.
@@tms725 oh okay that makes sense
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Unis tend to form conventions with certain companies to allow the students the use of their software knowing that they will prefer their services once they start working. It's always good to see what conventions your school has.
@@emmanuelguerrerohernandez9353 Thanks for the tip, it makes a lot of sense and can actually be applied to a lot of things like phones and brands
I found you as a teenager. At that time I was very much into the ragebait 'SAO is trash' content. Now I am old enough to think I am an adult, and i've come to appreciate the much more nuanced roast videos, and the kinder vibe of your content as a whole now. Coincidence or not, its almost like your content and I have matured together.
Less a thing Geoff was wrong about so much as predictions that didn't age well, but I'd love to see a follow-up on series that you were SURE they'd stick the landing only to fall flat on their face, like Babylon and KADO. (The latter of which still stings.) It's really nice that your perspective continues to grow and change and that you're willing to reconsider points you've argued before, so thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to more podcast hangouts. As somebody that's been around for all of these takes, good and bad (god, I think since your Undertale review, which fucks me up to no end), super excited to see where you both go from here!
This was something I was actually expecting from the podcast, though as you correctly pointed out, they were less Geoff being wrong as much as predictions that didn't really pan out. In a future episode I would really like to hear Geoff's take on the rest of Babylon, which at this point is definitely something that won't warrant its own video.
@@RFieth What do you mean it won't warrant its own video? I NEED a rant about Babylon's fall to move on one day, because I'm still mad and unable to put into words just how many things went wrong with that 😂
So basically, “do bad endings ruin good anime, part 2” ?
@@UGNAvalon Endings? The whole "nah, this girl is magic and bad" was a trainwreck in Babylon from day one.
@@UGNAvalon When was KADO not a slog?
How am I supposed to believe this is the basement household if there is not ecchi artwork plastered all over the wall?
Big big big respect. Comes across as someone who genuinely considered other perspectives to his own.
What frustrates me is when people just change their mind solely because they got clapback and just concede even the good points that they had because they want to appease people.
You have to be able to stick to your guns when you need to but recognise when you need to take a step back. Always bear this balance in mind
You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away and know when to run
Thats such an honest and unambiguously good take on piracy! I didn’t know all the negatives of those streaming sites, but I also struggle to pay for streaming services, and Ill die on the hill of supporting fan manga translations. Thanks for revisiting!
Profiteering off piracy is definitely scummy but piracy itself is morally fine in my eyes because as the famous quote from Gabe Newell goes "piracy is a failure of service." I buy media when the service meets my needs and makes me feel like I actually own it. Streaming sites come and go as well as routinely lock away stuff that didn't used to be premium (looking at you CR). When it comes to videogames I only buy on Steam/GOG for PC because I don't trust other platforms to not take away or shut down my games.
As someone who got into modern anime after discovering and loving Kakegurui, and who remembered feeling pretty called out by your video(s) on it... AND as a current Rent-a-GF enjoyer, this episode's breakdown of your modern approach to roast vids has persuaded me to stop ignoring the Rent-a-Roast.
Cheers, folks.
No disrespect but I couldn’t help but laugh that Kakegurui of all animes was the one that got u into the modern stuff. As for
rent-a-garbage, that shit is fucking trash and deserves all the hate, I read the entirety of the manga and watched the anime. Of course I don’t really care what you like, you’re free to enjoy whatever the hell you want, I just thought it was funny.
@@The_Lightless
Saying "you can enjoy whatever you want" and then going on to shit on his taste is preety dick move and trying to pretend you are not being a dick.
I also don't love both the anime mentioned above but I think you should probably keep some thought in your mind. Just an advice.
@@riynu7774 I said it deserves the hate and that it’s bad. He’s free to like it though who cares.
I love Rent-a-GF. I think I'm the biggest fan of it ever. I would still recommend to anyone who likes it to watch the roast, not because I agree with the points, but in order to understand what people are seeing and missing in the show that makes them dislike it.
@@The_Lightless this is really helpful discourse thanks
This was a dope video for a couple of reasons 1. It’s always cool to me to see RUclipsrs revisit old videos and takes either for a good laugh or to re-evaluate what they said and address them as their present selves. 2. You actually feel differently and have grown into a different person/content creator and can give us different opinions on these things and even tell us a bit about how you felt in that moment as opposed to now. 3. You have a bit of a behind scenes look at how you thought about generating content and engagement 4. I had no idea the backlash for certain videos ever got that bad. That’s the dark side of RUclips or social media in general most people will never see because their platform is nowhere near as big as yours but despite what you may have done to rile them up it sounds like they went too far. Way too far. No one should have to deal with that. Glad to see y’all both have pushed through those bad times and are still doing well. Thank you both for the great content.
Imagine threatening someone's life and harassing their loved ones over the watch order of an anime. People are deranged.
the watch order of what is for the most part arguably multiple anime placed in the same universe...
I’ve been following you for about a year and this is the first time I’ve seen you interact with your wife and she’s incredibly charming and funny and smart and I love your dynamic. Definitely subscribing.
I mean your Black Clover video got me to read the manga actually, didn't expect it to be quite as good as it was but even when you're flaming something you manage to make at least some good points clear
the fact that you can admit your wrong is why you (and Yazy) are some of my favorite reviewers. Much love to both of you!
I just want to say that I think both you guys are great. I know negativity not only stands out more, but also has that tendency to snowball and just overshadow everything else. So, yeah, just wanted to make it clear, I've been watching on and off since those early SAO days and I think both of yall are a bright spot on this youtube landscape.
Peak content returns after an extended hiatus, and still before Togashi. Love to see it
I get that man. My dad passed recently to and it does leave you with that hollow feeling but it does really help that my family don’t keep a stigma of not talking about him and keep him close to heart through humor and remembering his words
Torrents are rough when there are no seeds. Especially when you want to pick up vintage stuff.
My main bit of feedback is the volume fluctuation as you move your mouths towards and away from the microphones are a bit distracting and make it hard to hear sometimes, which sucks because all the topics you discuss are really interesting!
Hello! I didn't expect to see you here. Not going to go off on a tangent because it's not relevant to this video, but I love your content.
Agreed. And since many times they look at each other while monologuing (& esp when responding to each other), it’d make sense for the mics to be placed btwn the two. (It might make eye contact awkward tho.)
Oh hey, a Skyen in the wild.
I am somehow not at all surprised that you watch Basement household content xD
Your piracy discussion gave me flashbacks to when I had an entire argument with my high school economics teacher about why piracy is fine actually. I personally disagree with some parts of what you said about piracy (at least what could be picked up from how you put it, you obviously didnt go into too much detail), but I also only pirate stuff that literally isn't available elsewhere unless you buy it from Apple or Amazon or whatever, and in the cases I do pirate I know getting it legitimately would help corporations more than creators. I also make sure to spread word-of-mouth about anime I like because I want as many people as I can get to know and support good anime. I have the same thought for games. Why would I buy a game that's out of print for a thousand bucks that all goes to some random nobody when u could just... get it for free? Piracy is a tricky topic but in my opinion there are definitely reason to pirate media.
Yeah, I also have no issue with pirating stuff that I paid for when it was new but no longer have for a variety of reasons (giving things away, moving like 50 times, downsizing over and over, etc)
Piracy is my gateway to realizing how regional pricing and global currency exchange, despite being as balanced as it is, is bound to f**k someone over. Even harder realizing many of the creators are the primary victim of it.
Call me crazy but I think kakegururi is like Sherlock Holmes. The reader/watcher isn’t supposed to be afraid for the protagonist but be in awe of how they use their wiles to outsmart their opponent.
The tension in Kakegurui doesn't come from whether Jabami will win - she WILL win. It comes from the fact that she doesn't actually care about the consequences, she just enjoys the thrill of possibly losing. Ultimately, she can't be trusted not to put all the people who depend on her on the line just for the thrill of it, to keep pushing the stakes higher, and potentially to fuck them over if it makes the game more interesting for her. Yes she ends up saving the day, but she does so because she's an addict, not a hero, and therefore can't be wholly relied upon.
(Some versions of Sherlock Holmes also take this approach, so I think the comparison is apt, there's just more to it. It's also notable that they are both ostensibly from the perspective of a relatively passive character who is swept up into the actual protagonist's world)
@@Ceighk I also love that, unlike many other gambling anime, the main character NEVER cheats. In fact, the one match that's rigged in her favor makes her actively angry. It's great
@@Ceighk This makes me remember the one Sherlock anime set in Kabukicho and were Moriarty is actually a younger man who's part of the neighborhood that Sherlockl lives in. So the tension isn't that Sherlock or Moriarty will die, but when/how/why Moriarty will shift/why he's in the "good" side at the start.
This is wonderful. I love the dynamic between you two and the casual, unscripted vibe.
Coming from your latest video on media preservation and your more nuanced take on piracy and community fostering, it's so good to see how much a person can grow up on their views and stance on certain subjects as they gain more knowledge on the matter or simply by having more time to re-valuate their core values. This was a nice down to earth podcast episode Geoff.
Yay, it is back, and welcome to Alberta!
I really loved the podcast during the lockdown, and I fondly remember sitting down playing NetHack with yall in the background to waste away slow evenings ^___^
This was really fun! Didn’t know this podcast existed!
Love to see you both back! 💙
I gotta say, I love how Geoff's videos evolved to make it to what they are today. The Roast format is great, it never feels like you're making fun of people for liking something, and in general I love that there's a lot more positivity and pointing out the good stuff even when you're making a critique. You really get to the meat of what works and doesn't work about a particular anime.
P.S: WHAT A CUTE CAT 💕
Definitely really loving the new Roast format and the better, more positive content you've been putting out, but I have to say a part of me is a bit sad to see some of the old more critically focused content go. There were definitely stuff in there that was way too mean, although I enjoyed seeing you go into some of the criticisms there.
Honestly, your Alicization video is one of my favorites, and while I know you're done with SAO, it's a bit sad we'll never see you cover part 2 or Progressive, since both were properties that did interesting things I was curious to hear your thoughts about. Maybe one day.
Glad to see the channel's return! This video offers some great insight on how someone who's been in the RUclips game for long enough can change their style and behavior, not to mention the absolutely horrible side of dealing with hateful comments. Everyone always says they can brush aside the hate thanks to seeing all the great comments left by others, but the Jojo debacle (which I had been completely unaware of) can prove that it can be hard to do that sometimes.
Others have already made the same comment about turning away from the mics, but there's also the occasional overlap of voices due to the way the mics are pointed. I don't know how manageable this is in your new apartment, but the Dead Meat Podcast's old setup of the two facing each other from across the table (i.e. mics pointing right at their mouths but away from each other) seemed to work really well for them. They also have a cat who likes getting up on the table while they record, so you'd even have room for Bobby and Junkrat to interrupt!
I just found the main channel recently, and I found it through positive content. Which makes me happy because if I found it through the negative I would just block the channel and go on with my life. So I just want to say that the decision to focus more on making positive content is the right decision.
And another thing. One of your videos is on my list of “top videos of the internet”. Which is the list of videos that I always recommend to people. So yeah, I love your videos. Keep focusing on the positives, you have no idea how it helps people going through rough times.
If it makes you feel better Geoff, I actually started with Diamond is Unbreakable like a year prior to that video and totally agreed with you lol. Granted I also was kinda used to syndicated TV where I started FMA:Brotherhood on episode 30 on toonami and still loved it, so I had similar experiences with early anime as you guys
It's a really respectable thing to do stuff like this. I'd like to hope that I'd be able to post a video like this in their shoes. People admitting when they're wrong or have made mistakes should be encouraged!
Really appreciated the transparency of process in this.
This is really interesting to watch from a production perspective. Understanding what drives engagement is an important aspect of business, especially regarding online content creation. I also enjoy the “then and now” ideas and arguments put forth. Generally I prefer Geoff’s polished content on the main channel, however the informal vibe and brainstorming model presented here are both very rewarding.
It’s a bonus to see two people interacting in a way that is productive and healthy as well. This conversation is very different than the types of conversations I’ve had with my bf for the past two years roughly. The way both people’s inputs are organically received and reacted to is very refreshing. I knew my current relationship was on the way out, but this really hammers home what I could have had, but didn’t as a result of clinging to a dying, destructive relationship.
It's good to see this back. Longer form, but less formal podcast has a certain place that scripted videos don't fit.
This made me look back and scroll through all the Mother's Basement videos I've missed which made me notice all of the anime I have missed in the past few years and also feel a little old.
I liked the Kaiji video, I never had the impression that Geoff hated Kakegurui and I want to watch both shows partly thanks to those videos.
I also love hay Jazy helps him express himself better in the appologies and regrets :3
Awesome video! Haven't seen one of these before but if figured this was a great one to start with. Nice to hear how you've grown! Keep up the amazing work!
I was so excited to see this pop up on my feed!! I swear two days ago I was just checking in to see if any new content was posted so this really couldn't have come at a better time :)
Recently discovered your content and love all of it, whether I agree or not. Keep it up. You two are awesome!
Missed you guys! I’m so glad that you’re back! I hope the uploads are regular now, but even if they aren’t, I’m happy you’re here!
This was like listening to a confessional from the anime pope, which is a moniker I hope Geoff is still using
honestly, I'm so glad you made this.
that pirate video had always left a bad taste in my mouth. and now it's gone.
can't wait to see more episodes :D
Okay but can we talk about Yazzy's nails though??? They're so cute!!
Oh yeah watching anime in the US was very close to the same as you guys said. You watched whatever was on toonami that day and you were happy with it.
If you got some in order cool but yeah what was on was what was on and that’s what you get.
Geoff, I appreciate the walk-back on the piracy thing even if it took a while. I've resubscribed to you and subscribed to this channel and Best Girl's channel. Looking forward to seeing both of your work.
RUclips deleted my followup comment but you're still right about KissAnime, and profiting off of piracy is widely regarded to be a bad thing. This is part of why a lot of people don't like Crunchyroll.
Glad the podcast is back and congrats on the house!
Contentwise the podcast was good. I think that having a theme or main subject to give direction to the conversation helps a lot. There was a lot of audio issues, but I hope that those have gotten ironed out.
Both of you keep being awesome!
i never watched the podcast back in the day but i liked this. i’m glad you’re back to making it again
With Alberta (specifically Calgary) being the only province in Canada I've ever really visited and explored, I have to say kudos for the move. I really enjoyed my time there. I know living and visiting are two very different things, but I hope Alberta is kind to you both.
How have I not heard about this until today! You two are awesome!
Inuyasha constantly resetting the clock on itself is why I have trust issues with broadcast television series lol
I just want to say that your and Super Eyepatch Wolf's videos got me to watch Kaiji and I will be forever grateful to you both for that, but I will also forever hate you both for making me suffer through the freaking Bog arc. It lived up to its freaking name. Dear god.
Really enjoyed the special guest podcaster very quiet but still brought Alot to the table. 10/10 would recommend making him a regular special guest
I agree a lot with your take on piracy - for me, the only thing that pisses me off is that some people just don't wanna pay for shit but act like you're taking away their rights if you don't let them have it anyway. Especially when they're using that justification to pirate stuff by indie creators or torrenting charity bundles.
if in perfect world, you could pay a reasonable price to watch what ever you want, I'm sure piracy wouldn't be a thing, at least not a big thing.
Lol
YEEEESSS THE THING I DIDNT KNOW I WAS WAITING FOR
I'm glad you're back with the podcasts! I can't wait for more!
Also, because of the more depressing topics talked about in this episode.
In the interest of spreading positivity, I just wanna say that both of you are my favourite anime youtubers, and Geoff's videos in particular have helped me be more critical of the shows I watch, and helped me develop the skills I have now to actually critique media in a meaningful way.
And I really love the podcast and I hope to see more!
So, I’m late. Bokksu is fantastic. I’m working my way through my Matsuri Nights box and I think it is the best so far.
Edit: I love you both. [signed] Nana
I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone could ever call Yazy fat, she is incredibly tiny right now and imagining her actually being read as fat is impossible to my tiny brain
It's back! Not watching til tomorrow cause this is the kinda shit that gets me through work days but I am thrilled you guys are back
Watched one piece and changed your mind on piracy 😂
This podcast provided quite an interesting stance on internet preservation & actually made many agreeable arguments in regards to why internet preservation through peer-to-peer methods are beneficial.
Thanks Geoff & Yazy - I’m glad y’all made this, helps widen my perspective! :))
Hi Harley!
I thought your SAO videos were hilarious, but that’s good on you for growing as a person!
The other reason to pirate that people don't think of is internet connection. In rural areas, internet speeds are pure garbage and Crunchyroll literally doesn't work on it. A download may take forever on that internet too, but once its downloaded, it at least plays smoothly 😂
Sometimes this looks and sounds like a mother coaxing her 6 year old son to apologize to the neighbors 😂
did you ever acknowledge that whole "nekopara bad" arch when the month prior to it you were its biggest fan?
Geoff, I'm curious to know if your opinion on Black Clover evolved further over the last two years. The elf arc is one of the best new gen arcs. And 80 chapters in you barely scratch the surface of that arc.
I'd love an updates ethics on piracy video because this was really interesting. I still remember the original video which really stood out. This time the video could be a little more exploratory and less trying to convince.
Mom and Dad are divorcing and they're making me choose code Yazy or code Basement
so glad y'all are on here again! you can totally skip parts; i got bored with, and skipped part 3 part way through (ba dum tss) because it was all over the internet, and so i knew the 'important' information. to say nothing of the fact that there's always summarizing if things are relevant later.
A very reflective podcast. Anime Tube needs more honesty like this
I wonder if we'll ever get a Symphogear video from you, I do recall you watched it a bit and didn't follow up.
Maybe around the time Symphogear LIVE 2022 rolls around.
reasons black clover is like naruto: MC wants to be the best guy and the leader
reasons black clover is like blue exorcist: there are two twin brothers who are orphans raised in a church. the older one is taller, handsome, calm and quiet, and is conventionally talented and powerful; while the younger one is short, loud, extremely physically strong, and his power is extremely unconventional and relies on the power of a demon that they are related to. both brothers are members of an organization where they have to climb the ranks of knighthood to reach the top (even the ranks themselves are basically identical), with the younger brother getting stuck with a band of misfits, and the older brother getting to rub shoulders with the eccentric powerhouses of the upper ranks of the org
Gambling Nose Man was one of the first anime I watched. Best determined grimace in anime.
Yay, Basement Life. Very cool video. R.I.P. George.
THEY’RE BACK
As someone who has pirated a lot of anime via torrents in addition to buying a LOT of physical media and subscribing to multiple legit anime streaming services, I was really confused at first about you mentioning being "wrong" about pirating while standing behind the bashing of the pirate streaming sites. I watched and LOVED your "How Much Money-" video and remember agreeing with you on virtually every point! Seriously it's one of my favorite videos you've ever done (outside of the amazing anime-from-a-cult video series). But then I guess the really "bad take" video was one that was taken down before I ever had a chance to watch it. Well, I suppose I'm both sad and glad that I didn't watch it while it was up. I'm happy that you've developed a more nuanced view on media piracy!
Catch me going full detective mode to find out who you're talking about at. 49:50 🧐🧐🧐 ps love the KFP and Takodachi representation
It was Joey the anime man
Thanks. With the context of only the vid I was thinking it was Nux Taku.
On the topic of watching anime out of order; That's exactly how I watched FLCL, and I believe worked very well. It remains my favorite anime even though my friends shit on it lol
I'm glad Geoff is to the point he can joke about it :)
As a Basement fan that started within the last 8ish months, glad to see that this is running to add more content to watch / listen! (also side note, what mic stands do you use??)
as someone that used to watch a lot of anime back i the day and barely does anymore my biggest issue with the stance all piracy is bad was the fact that sometimes places like cruchyroll just decided not to have the show available where i lived so it'd i couldn't watch it there even if i wanted too
so idk how im just finding this channel and this pod, but i rmbr that jojo stuff so clearly. and i rmbr so clearly being on your side about the idea of picking and choosing where to start jojo if that's what it takes to get more people to enjoy this series. sucks to hear u somehow ended up being the apologetic one in that scenario.
overall great pod tho. i didnt realize how many of these takes i was actually here for...
Hey, welcome to Alberta, it kinda sucks, but is also kinda great at the same time. It's weird here. We have a lot of Jeff's, seriously, every school I've ever been too and every job I've ever had, there's always been at least one other Jeff. Clearly you have to change your name, there are too many of us. ;p
On another note, it's cool too see you look back and talk about regrets and stuff. While I'm sure videos like this are less popular, I personally think it's really good to see. In terms of Reki, personally, I've always thought he just got famous too early. The original SAO was... meh, but it was a really cool concept stuffed into a format that didn't suit it. Then he got super famous without the time to really develop as a writer. At least that's my educated guess about why the Alfheim arc exists. Having read most of his SAO stuff, I do see him improving as a writer, especially with the Progressive books. Is it amazing, no, but I still rather enjoy it despite it's flaws.
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The most important thing I took from this video is
I need that Takodachi shirt
That's really cool that you live in Alberta now, now there's a chance that we're neighbors lol
My wife started on part 4 and is a huge Jo-bro
Regarding watch order and from the beginning. I have one word, Firefly.
Yes the pod is back
The cat content is truly special
The podcast is reaply good! I'm looking forward to new episodes and the other videos you both decide to make, you both have gotten me into some manga I never would've given a chance if you hadn't made videos on them
Black Clover reads to me like a what if Naruto replaced Ichigo in Bleach with with a lot of the story issues of the latter. I gave it a second shot when the buzz picked back up on it, but it really felt like when Bleach was more about finding out what everyone’s Bankais looked like rather than telling a real story.
So you could say the previous discussion was _erased_ from existence?
Yay! You’re back!
I mean, as a Black Clover fan, I think your video about its first few episodes was entirely fair. It was a poorly paced adaptation of a manga that honestly doesn't hit its groove until like the second or third major story arc with a bunch of production issues that hadn't been figured out, an inexperienced lead actor who was overdoing it to the point where it was a legitimate reason to drop the show, and a hype machine from Crunchyroll that only served to magnify its flaws all the more. That being said, I'm happy to say that both the manga and the anime hit its stride and it's a very fun action romp as long as you don't think about the setting and lore too hard.
I've been through the whole pirating thing, and so on both with music, videos and anime.
There's a lot of facets to it, and I think a lot of fans are assholes about it, but in general, I have been exposed to more stuff and bought more physical media because of my piracy.
Since current trends are about lost media, I repeat the same things I did back then, which is that people should buy physical more often and keep physical media...
Really interesting video, it definitely seemed like a window into how you used to make videos and how you've grown and changed. Thanks. Thats really hard to do, specially admitting when you've been wrong.