You offer the most credible perspectives on many topics about college football. College football is a highly passionate entity on many levels. This season has been a dramatic one, driven by social and cultural influencers. I truly appreciate your willingness to mention these factors, Thank you for helping NCAA fans to express all opinions, and to advocate for us to .maintain integrity to this magnificent sport.
I wanted Travis Hunter to win, and I have followed his career from high school. If he didn't win, I wouldn't hate on the winner. It is hard to judge players from different positions, conferences, and schedules.
Both players are absolutely amazing and they will immediately be effective for any of the teams at the top of the draft. Jenty might be day one scary like AP.
Yeah people really acting up about this for no real reason. I think jeanty should have won the award but I’m not gonna sit here and discredit Travis Hunters incredible performance this season. People are saying some wild things out there on both sides of this debate instead of appreciating the two generational talents that we watched
Yeah but tbh many running backs have accomplished 2,000 yards. No player in history has dominated both sides on the ball. In almost every game he had ova 100 snaps. I’m not talking special teams & wide receiver or cornerback & special teams. Starting Wide Receiver on Offense & Starting Cornerback on Defensive. His only rest is special teams 🤣. That running back is the new Beast Mode 2
Just my perspective but I think JEANTY had the best season in college this yr but at the same time is not the best player in college football. Both players are deserving of the award but I think that Travis is the best football player in college. It can't be ignored that nobody in the History of college football has done what he has. You could argue JEANTY isn't even the best running back in college football. It's very subjective but you could argue Dylan Sampson for Tennessee is a better running back because of all the SEC defenses he had to face every week. They are all great players.
Travis Hunter has super sane and he been the best player on the planet when he comes to college football and it’s not even close and it’s OK to appreciate greatness
For those who never played football please don’t take offense to this because it’s not meant to be that way. The simple fact the he played BOTH SIDES of the ball at the college level/ half of the games at altitude IS AMAZING in and of itself. The mental and physical toll that takes on the human body is beyond amazing. NOW, he did that at a HIGH level which make this argument of did he deserve it null and void. The level of conditioning and athleticism and then mental preparation it takes to do what he did is nothing short of unbelievable.
Not arguing that, but it’s still tough to argue IMO that a guy who isn’t the best player at either of his positions is somehow the best player in the country. He’s just not.
@@bluemarlin8138This take is dumb and doesn't make sense because you're talking about something that hasn't been done before at this level. He doesn't have to be the best at each position. If he's top 3 at each position then he's the consensus number 1 player in the country. That was the casual take that he was talking about.
Josh I’m glad you take the time to make these types of videos!!!! Sometimes people need some medicine of look I the mirror or self reflection. Or just understanding alternate views other than one’s self
Travis Hunter literally locked done half of the field, cause they won’t even troll the ball and the side he is on That’s how dangerous this man is. I need that. We have never seen a football player like this.
Travis Hunter is the best player on the planet and he didn’t gotta go to school with all five star players from top to bottom actually went to a school that wasn’t winning and still he is him
As a diehard Colorado football fan born and raised and now a student, I would not have been mad if jeanty won the heisman. All this snubbing stuff is a load of crap. I texted my groupchat Saturday morning and said no matter what happens we will see one of the best runner ups in recent heisman history. The narrative of attacking another player and his character and play, and the legitimacy of an award just because it was as close as it is cowardly. Had jeanty won, I know I wouldn’t be on social media attacking him and the voters, I’d give him his flowers and appreciate that I got to watch both of them play
Imagine working your ass off on your craft since you were four years old, taking immense risks and betting on yourself to reach the top, doing something that’s never been accomplished in your field at an elite level, receiving the highest honors from your peers and coaches, and then having a bunch of dudes on a couch who never played a snap of competitive football tell you that you scammed your way to your honor. Shameful. Think if this was your son or daughter what you would feel. Lift everyone up. Jeanty is a beast, Cam fought hard for what he has, Gabriel is the captain of the best team in the country. They’re all champions and gonna get that NFL bag, but only one can win an individual trophy. All deserving, but to say Hunter isn’t is just pure hate.
It’s sad to be honest . I honestly blame the media , not all media but some . I’ve watched them start a narrative about Travis hunter and from that time everything went up in flames . People are questioning his character , calling him arrogant .. I been following the kid since he was in highschool . Anyone who knows him , has played with him and been close with him will tell you he’s the most genuine person . He literally does with he says , plays football , plays videos games and fishes , that’s it’s and that’s all . I think prime and the whole Colorado thing also played a part , people really just don’t like what Colorado has going on . People don’t like prime , he’s bold and flashy . I knew things took a turn when people started calling Travis “ average and mid “… like let’s be serious here .. I don’t think he would be projected a 1st round pick if he was “ mid “. We have to keep in mind NFL scouts were at his every practice and game , dissecting every play . They don’t just go off stats without context and highlights , that understand the talent he is . And unfortunately it’s too many casuals online and hate thrives and goes viral on social media very easily . I guarantee you not one person on here can go on twitter/X , search “ Travis hunter “, and not find people talking negatively about him as if he’s done something to them personally .. sad mad
Ask nebraska fans that question and you will get a Very different answer. He let the mask slip both times they played us, he blamed everyone but himself when we whooped him, even though he had 6 drops
@TheWayWeTalk90 The last sentence was written for you … … “people (are) talking negatively about him, as if he’s done something to them personally .. sad mad”. What happened in your life that damaged you so badly that you make up stories about someone who has no effect on your life?
@@JK-hm1sd he has done things that are negative, he is getting special treatment, he is a good talent, but there is legitimate reasons people have for why he should not have won it. Like disappearing in the biggest stages for Colorado when they needed him most, like against nebraska kstate and Arizona where he had no impact and was a liability at times. Jeanty NEVER had a game under 126 and never let his team down and carried a barely above average graded of line to the playoffs and will forever be all over the record books and I do think that that SHOULD have been talked about more and I think the only reason it wasn't was because they were propping up hunter
@@JK-hm1sd the way he treated certain opponents and situations does tell me he is immature, like that deal with the transfer who talked about how he was kicked out and Travis talked bad on him, or the wanting to fight nebraska, twice. Or Travis talking crap about nebraska and then refusing to talk about it after getting blown out. He is immature and I think will be brought down to Earth when everyone in the media isn't always in his corner like it has been
I hate that when we argue for another dude to win an award people think we are tearing down the other person. How do you argue someone is better than the other than? This world is weak minded
The 2 backup running backs at Boise State averaged 7.0 and 6.0 yards per carry. The fullback averaged 4.5 yards per carry. Boise St, has a great offensive line and they ran the ball more than they passed. And they forced fed Jeanty. Any starting running back from the SEC would’ve put up similar numbers at Boise State. Numerous 2,000 yard running backs didn’t win the Heisman. And for people calling this a popularity contest, a lot of people in the media have been hating on Colorado all year. So how good did Hunter have to be for some of them to still vote for him. They could’ve easily given it to Jeanty.
Travis and Ashton were clearly the two best players in the country. If I had a vote, I would have given them half a first place vote each. The part I don't get was why there were any first place votes that went to someone OTHER than those two. Anyone whose first place vote didn't go to either of them should have their ballot invalidated and lose the right to ever vote for Heisman again.
Darren McFadden should have won his Sophomore year. When he didn't, I stopped paying attention to who wins. Runner up twice? Okay... Heisman is a relic. Only journos and gamblers care anymore.
Generation of win people already did better than him. We have already seen that Travis Hunter is doing stuff that we haven’t seen in the game for as long as football exist. He’s special.
Round of applause 👏🏾., You said everything that needed to be said about this., Like him or not., HE IS SPECIAL and so is Jent., love how u worded all of this.
I think Travis Hunter should definitely been in the conversation for simply attempting the feat of playing both ways and then actually pulling it off. Honestly a lot more very high caliber CBs or WRs could play both ways many even do earlier in their college careers, but the injury risk and fatigue (which further increases injury risk) frankly doesn't make it worth it. So definitely major props for that sheer feat of athleticism! Additionally I agree that he deserves no hate or personal shots, that is just gross and egregious and probably a knock-on effect of the Deion hate which I also can't get behind... however, I do think it is also pretty clear that Jeanty should have won the Heisman. Historic levels of production that carries his team to the playoffs, no need to get any fancier than that. I do wish you'd take some time off on fighting the culture wars or whatever it is you think you are doing. I used to think it was cute, but its just the same story over and over again at this point. Sure the hate is ridiculous, but its so old hat for the internet at this point we don't need to go over it. Its also reasonable for football-minded people to call Jeanty not winning a "snub" without taking anything away from Travis Hunter. Thinking Jeanty should have very clearly won is not necessarily a casual take and is not a shot at Hunter which you appear to conflagrate.
Josh kept it 💯 % real on this take. You don’t gotta put Travis down just to lift Ashton up. Take Travis log outta ya az then you think straight. You hear me boy?
I agree that your team should be in contention to win the Heisman, but in this case, Hunter may have been the "best" American college football player, and that is the standard
Somehow Baseball fans who zealously observe numbers and records like biblical scripture were less psychotic about Shohei Ohtani doing something that was effectively extinct from baseball since the 1920’s than CFB fans acted over Travis Hunter.
You're right the casuals have taken over college football once Deion became a coach. The toxicity of that fan base is unreal. We celebrate players who put up the historic season not tear them down because they don't play for your guy.
i see everyone saying Ashton Jeanty didn’t play anyone, well they faced a top 10 rush defense in the MW championship. the top defense they faced they only lost by a TD. the top defense Travis Hunter faced they lost by 18 points. the dude stat pads yet y’all don’t accuse him of it but do with other players. you can’t have it one way over another
Those stats won them games, so please stop being a hater. I am so tired of all of the hate, is it impossible for anyone to show any kind of love or is it that it doesn’t exist much anymore?
An educated person would understand, for ANYONE to break or set a record. The team is padding their stats! Jenty included, he has been force-fed all year. Damn near 40 carries a game, stop it. In your mind, i bet that's not padding stats, yeah, right.......
That’s kind of a silly argument. Did you forgot about the first time they played that same team you’re referring to(UNLV)? He ran it over 30 times at 3 yards a carry. If anything it just proves how freezing temperatures can affect a team like UNLV.. Jeanty is a great running back and he’s really fun to watch, but Travis Hunter is hands down the best college football player in the country. His impact on both sides of the ball was immense, and he wasn’t getting the ball handed to him on every other play like Jeanty. If Travis was padding anyone’s stats it was his fellow receivers and db’s, because teams were doing everything they could to keep the ball away from him! I hate you weren’t able to understand and appreciate how truly special and the one of a kind talent Travis Hunter is.
@@Jj6004-n1eHis numbers speak for themselves. No one in the history of the sport has done what he just accomplished. Hate on. This man just listed every valid point and you completely came to troll and ignore everything he mentioned.
@ no 14 other people have done what he has and many more then just the 14 that are listed you know why there’s barley any listed is bc it’s not an achievement
It’s not that I think Jeanty is overrated; but could he do what he’s doing at Tennessee or at Washington? I think Travis Hunter played incredibly well; I think for the first time in a while, it boiled down to just talent between the finalists.
The heisman vote, yeah, there's a legit argument for Hunter, simply because Woodson won it, and Hunter had a much better season than Woodson. The voting travesty, in my opinion, was him winning the belitnikoff award. He did not deserve that award, and I will die on that hill.
They both were deserving of the award, but I understand why Hunter won the award. We don’t see anyone rush for 2400 yard either. Name the last guy. You are really down playing what jeanty did in this day and age age.
Thank you for speaking on this the discourse around this race has been so jarring, it’s almost turned into some kind of political thing and it’s dishwashing to see
CFB has not been conventional since 2020… Maybe you’re on to something, Josh… This entire season was uncomfortable… Conference realignments, powerhouses not as powerhouse.. ish, NIL, the playoff committee, and on and on…
Ginty deserved the Heisman. He was the most outstanding player in college football. But that's not what the now irrelevant trophy is about or has been about for decades. It's about who gets the most publicity.
Josh, I heard Ashton Jeanty's comments right after the award ceremony shows he is a massive "Head Case". He is unable to acknowledge or recognize that a 2-Way player that was dominant at both positions will always beat out a 1-way player running back. Ashton Jeanty truly ignorantly believes he should have won over 2-way star Travis Hunter. Let that sink in. If I were an NFL owner or GM I would NOT draft him. He lacks the intelligence, maturity to recognize something that is good or great outside of himself. If there were only 1-way players i.e. QB's, Running Backs in the Heisman Race he could make a successful argument he should have won but dominant 2-way players will alway outshine and win against 1-way players and the fact that Ashton Jeanty does not have the intelligence, the humility to understand that and move on is why I believe he is a "Head Case"/.
Tell nebraska fans, who he talked smack to the fist time they played, and then blamed everyone but himself when they got blown out. He said someone who was having a prayer was disrespectful. He talks a big game, but he got shut down 4-5 times this year so I do think he is overrated. Only one of these two guys is going to be forever in the history books, and it's not travis
@TheWayWeTalk90 … Since joining the B1G Ten in 2011, it took less than 5 years for ALL of the teams and fan bases in surrounding states to learn that Nebraska and their fans are trash! … Before that, the same was known to be true when they were in the Big 12. What is it about Nebraska that makes their fans such pieces of crap?
@@TheWayWeTalk90Which games did he get shut down? I already replied to one of your other 50 comments talking about Nebraska. If you watched or did a simple Google search you'd know he missed most of the K. STATE GAME AND THE ARIZONA game!
Who has been top 5 at both positions ever in the history of the game. He is the first 1st team all American on 2 sides of the ball ever. Please stop hating on this kid. Do you realize how hard it is to do that?
I felt Hunter deserved it, felt Ashley fans had an argument. Couldn’t hate if either won. This Travis is not a good player argument is just a non starter when it comes to football.
Both equally deserve it. Jeanty is a beast who almost single-handedly, has led his team to a CFP berth and is close to breaking Barry Sanders record. Meanwhile Trav is a unicorn who was 2nd in TD’s, 6th in receiving yards, while tallying 4 ints and 11 deflections. He was also ranked as the 3rd best corner and the 5th best receiver by PFF. In one season he was top 5 at 2 positions. Nobody has ever done that. Him winning the Biletnikoff and Bednarik was highly questionable. But in regard to the Heisman, he was deserving of it by being a player we have never seen before and by having the stats to back it up. Also W/L doesn’t matter. Tebow, Lamar, and many others have won it with 3 losses. Whether Travis or Jeanty won, it would’ve been valid. I’m not a big fan of Deion and Colorado, but I think peoples negative opinions on Colorado seeps into peoples opinions of Travis.
Totally agree with what he said but that Jeanty boy got just as much shit all year so lets not pretend its all one direction 😂 The comment sections on both of their highlight vids all year were a $%^& show
Travis Hunter is a unicorn. That being said, he undoubtably was the beneficiary of all of the hype that ESPN and FOX put on PRIME. Had it not happened, most of the country would not have ever heard of Travis Hunter, which would have been it's own travesty. To say that he wasn't a recipient of the Deion hype machine, is just in-genuine. This doesn't mean that he wasn't worthy of the hype and the Heisman, but had Jeanty been as well marketed by a celebrity such as PRIME, the outcome could have been different. It's not hate. It's just fact.
BS (utter BS) need I remind you, college football fans, athletes, alumni, aficionados (like yourself) made their own decision to pick up the remote control, tune in to the COLORADO game and get this… ON EVERY PLAY watch the screen to see what Travis Hunter was about to do. Read that again. EVERY PLAY. His stardom is not a byproduct of only being coached by Prime, but being ELITE on both sides of the ball. EVERY PLAY! It’s funny because some of yall sound like the clowns in the 90’s who HATED the fact that Prime was not only ELITE on the football field, but was a damn good baseball player as well. Let these Kings live their lives… appreciate it why you can
Decisions have positive and negative consequences… positive = Jeanty balled out in the Mountain West. Let you tell it, negative = he didn’t play for Coach Prime
He was a five star coming out of high school and ranked number 1 player in the class of 2022. If he didn’t meet didn’t meet prime he was probably gonna playing for a bigger school 😭.
The amount of people I’ve seen call Travis Hunter average on both sides of the ball is insane. And screams casual. Then when I point out he’s top 5 in nearly every major statistical category at receiver and db. They just deny that he is despite it being a verifiable fact.
Dude, have you seen the level of competition (or lack thereof) that he did it against? He not only played in a glorified G5 league, but also didn’t face the top 3 teams in said league. He’s also disappointed in CU’s biggest games over the past 2 seasons. Oh, and he had probably the first overall pick in the draft throwing him the ball. Having top 5 stats does not necessarily mean he’s in the top 5 players at the position, at least under these circumstances. And before anyone talks about Boise’s strength of schedule, (1) it’s not much worse than CU’s, and (2) Jeanty balled out when they faced Oregon. Hunter hasn’t done well against top completion.
@@bluemarlin8138Which games did he disappoint other than when he was hurt? Please don't be a casual and say K. State and Arizona when he barely played in either of those games. He had over 100 yds against Nebraska and Kansas. So please state those disappointments?
Race card? He literally said, “some of you subconsciously don’t like Travis Hunter because he didn’t go down the route you wanted he take.” Josh is right… Some of y’all are telling on yourself… the comment didn’t even include Jeanty.
The Heisman should be picked after the Naty Tittle decided there always someone who comes up in playoffs think Dylan Sampson deserves it especially if he leads Tenn to Natty he should have at least been considered!
Honestly worst take I’ve heard, the fact hunter won both the defensive player of the year and that wide receiver award was definitely bias no matter how you see it, he definitely should have been runner ups in those, but there were better wide receivers and defensive players than hunter, it extends to the heisman too, Jeanty got mad robbed, to see a running back to even come close to the rushing record and lead in every single stat is a generational talent and should definitely win the heisman over a good two way player that leads in no stats. Bringing the story of Hunter into this is also wild, Jeanty literally started playing football in Italy, went to America, played both ways in high school, got little to no offers cause he only broke out his senior year, went to Boise, killed it his sophomore year, turned down millions dollar offers from most powerhouse programs, and stuck with Boise, and will likely break the single season rushing record in the playoffs
I can’t respect a heisman winner that does “dog piss” celebrations (that players used to get flagged for mind you) while up multiple scores against a 3-8 team
I think a case can be made for DG winning... Great stats but even better is what he's accomplished. First year at Oregon, first year in the B1G, 13-0 and winning the title. Also, how is it that Lanning didn't win HC of the year? First year in the B1G going 13-0 and winning the title. What more does a coach have to do?
Dillon is 35 yrs old and a 10th year senior whom has started every possible year he could play in college, played at a high level at UCF and OU and still came back another year. Dude has had a whole NFL career in college with pretty much similar stats since he was at UCF. So of course he was supposed to be successful at Oregon.
Big 12 Bias!!!!!!!!!!?????? First round byes and a Heisman!?!? Mountain freakin’ west as runner up? My God the infamous “they” REALLY tried this year… but we need more spots because we had a heisman and a runner up. Arizona State and Boise… Insert Batman slapping Robin They’re not fooling anybody or making anything better by creating a WWE Cinderella story and forcing it on us. And they can’t believe the garbage coming out of their mouth. Ok so who shoulda got it? IMO, Gabriel. Why? He lead his team all the way through the BIG 10. Beat Ohio, Michigan, Penn State, apparently Indiana was in it… Beat them too. Has beaten 3 playoff teams. Just ONCE you need to show the SEC and Big 10 some love lol! Guess it’s all about the little schools. Huh!?
Travis is a great player, but he wasn’t good enough to win the Heisman this year. What Jeanty did this year was comparable to what Barry Sanders did in his Heisman campaign. Just saying.
Go look up the definition of what the Heisman is really about. It doesn't say the player with the best stats. Most outstanding player, recognizing excellence in performance, integrity, and hard work. Not anywhere in the actual definition does it say the award goes only to the #1 player in his position with the #1 stats. The award looks at the player overall and as a whole. That's why it's objectionable for those who get to vote.
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Great segment Josh. You said everything I was thinking about the matter too. Was so frustrating seeing people tear down Travis for no good reason
He didn’t deserve this will go as the worst heismen winner of all time
You offer the most credible perspectives on many topics about college football. College football is a highly passionate entity on many levels. This season has been a dramatic one, driven by social and cultural influencers. I truly appreciate your willingness to mention these factors, Thank you for helping NCAA fans to express all opinions, and to advocate for us to .maintain integrity to this magnificent sport.
I wanted Travis Hunter to win, and I have followed his career from high school. If he didn't win, I wouldn't hate on the winner. It is hard to judge players from different positions, conferences, and schedules.
Both players are absolutely amazing and they will immediately be effective for any of the teams at the top of the draft. Jenty might be day one scary like AP.
Yeah people really acting up about this for no real reason. I think jeanty should have won the award but I’m not gonna sit here and discredit Travis Hunters incredible performance this season. People are saying some wild things out there on both sides of this debate instead of appreciating the two generational talents that we watched
Yeah but tbh many running backs have accomplished 2,000 yards. No player in history has dominated both sides on the ball. In almost every game he had ova 100 snaps. I’m not talking special teams & wide receiver or cornerback & special teams. Starting Wide Receiver on Offense & Starting Cornerback on Defensive. His only rest is special teams 🤣. That running back is the new Beast Mode 2
@@meriodaniel All eyes on 12 every snap
Just my perspective but I think JEANTY had the best season in college this yr but at the same time is not the best player in college football. Both players are deserving of the award but I think that Travis is the best football player in college. It can't be ignored that nobody in the History of college football has done what he has. You could argue JEANTY isn't even the best running back in college football. It's very subjective but you could argue Dylan Sampson for Tennessee is a better running back because of all the SEC defenses he had to face every week. They are all great players.
Perfectly said, jeanty had the best season but hunter was the best football player@@lancewebb8671
Derrick Henry would've had 3000 rushing yds vs mountain west defenses . Only 1 travis hunter
Best take I've heard !!
Travis Hunter has super sane and he been the best player on the planet when he comes to college football and it’s not even close and it’s OK to appreciate greatness
For those who never played football please don’t take offense to this because it’s not meant to be that way. The simple fact the he played BOTH SIDES of the ball at the college level/ half of the games at altitude IS AMAZING in and of itself. The mental and physical toll that takes on the human body is beyond amazing. NOW, he did that at a HIGH level which make this argument of did he deserve it null and void. The level of conditioning and athleticism and then mental preparation it takes to do what he did is nothing short of unbelievable.
Not arguing that, but it’s still tough to argue IMO that a guy who isn’t the best player at either of his positions is somehow the best player in the country. He’s just not.
@@bluemarlin8138he’s considered top 5 at both, it’s the combination of both factors not the one.
@@bluemarlin8138This take is dumb and doesn't make sense because you're talking about something that hasn't been done before at this level. He doesn't have to be the best at each position. If he's top 3 at each position then he's the consensus number 1 player in the country. That was the casual take that he was talking about.
Both players. We're great. Ashton chases a record. Travis set a record. Celebrate them both.
Happy Happy Travis Hunter Won !!
Josh I’m glad you take the time to make these types of videos!!!! Sometimes people need some medicine of look I the mirror or self reflection. Or just understanding alternate views other than one’s self
Travis Hunter literally locked done half of the field, cause they won’t even troll the ball and the side he is on That’s how dangerous this man is. I need that. We have never seen a football player like this.
A lot of the commentary is driven by people’s disdain for all things Deion and Colorado, I’ve never seen this much vitriol towards a Heisman result
Bc rewards aren’t meant to be a popularity contest
Henry vs McCaffrey and Ingram vs Gerhart were also highly debated
@@Jj6004-n1e It wasn't about a popularity contest.
GREAT TAKES, on football related issues!
Travis Hunter is the best player on the planet and he didn’t gotta go to school with all five star players from top to bottom actually went to a school that wasn’t winning and still he is him
As a diehard Colorado football fan born and raised and now a student, I would not have been mad if jeanty won the heisman. All this snubbing stuff is a load of crap. I texted my groupchat Saturday morning and said no matter what happens we will see one of the best runner ups in recent heisman history. The narrative of attacking another player and his character and play, and the legitimacy of an award just because it was as close as it is cowardly. Had jeanty won, I know I wouldn’t be on social media attacking him and the voters, I’d give him his flowers and appreciate that I got to watch both of them play
I’ve never heard of Josh Pate, but he just gained me as a follower/subscriber. Excellent segment! 👍🏾
This was one of your best segments
Outstanding commentary Josh.
Imagine working your ass off on your craft since you were four years old, taking immense risks and betting on yourself to reach the top, doing something that’s never been accomplished in your field at an elite level, receiving the highest honors from your peers and coaches, and then having a bunch of dudes on a couch who never played a snap of competitive football tell you that you scammed your way to your honor. Shameful. Think if this was your son or daughter what you would feel. Lift everyone up. Jeanty is a beast, Cam fought hard for what he has, Gabriel is the captain of the best team in the country. They’re all champions and gonna get that NFL bag, but only one can win an individual trophy. All deserving, but to say Hunter isn’t is just pure hate.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. This is the perfect explanation that I wouldn’t have been able to put into words myself
It’s sad to be honest . I honestly blame the media , not all media but some . I’ve watched them start a narrative about Travis hunter and from that time everything went up in flames . People are questioning his character , calling him arrogant .. I been following the kid since he was in highschool . Anyone who knows him , has played with him and been close with him will tell you he’s the most genuine person . He literally does with he says , plays football , plays videos games and fishes , that’s it’s and that’s all . I think prime and the whole Colorado thing also played a part , people really just don’t like what Colorado has going on . People don’t like prime , he’s bold and flashy . I knew things took a turn when people started calling Travis “ average and mid “… like let’s be serious here .. I don’t think he would be projected a 1st round pick if he was “ mid “. We have to keep in mind NFL scouts were at his every practice and game , dissecting every play . They don’t just go off stats without context and highlights , that understand the talent he is . And unfortunately it’s too many casuals online and hate thrives and goes viral on social media very easily . I guarantee you not one person on here can go on twitter/X , search “ Travis hunter “, and not find people talking negatively about him as if he’s done something to them personally .. sad mad
Ask nebraska fans that question and you will get a Very different answer. He let the mask slip both times they played us, he blamed everyone but himself when we whooped him, even though he had 6 drops
@TheWayWeTalk90 The last sentence was written for you …
… “people (are) talking negatively about him, as if he’s done something to them personally .. sad mad”.
What happened in your life that damaged you so badly that you make up stories about someone who has no effect on your life?
@@JK-hm1sd he has done things that are negative, he is getting special treatment, he is a good talent, but there is legitimate reasons people have for why he should not have won it. Like disappearing in the biggest stages for Colorado when they needed him most, like against nebraska kstate and Arizona where he had no impact and was a liability at times. Jeanty NEVER had a game under 126 and never let his team down and carried a barely above average graded of line to the playoffs and will forever be all over the record books and I do think that that SHOULD have been talked about more and I think the only reason it wasn't was because they were propping up hunter
@@JK-hm1sd the way he treated certain opponents and situations does tell me he is immature, like that deal with the transfer who talked about how he was kicked out and Travis talked bad on him, or the wanting to fight nebraska, twice. Or Travis talking crap about nebraska and then refusing to talk about it after getting blown out. He is immature and I think will be brought down to Earth when everyone in the media isn't always in his corner like it has been
@@JK-hm1sd it's not made up, all of it is on RUclips
I'm so glad Travis Hunter was selected because he's a storyline in itself
one of the best college football shows out there. probably the best
I hate that when we argue for another dude to win an award people think we are tearing down the other person. How do you argue someone is better than the other than? This world is weak minded
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Great take
This and on3 are the best takes I've seen.
The 2 backup running backs at Boise State averaged 7.0 and 6.0 yards per carry. The fullback averaged 4.5 yards per carry. Boise St, has a great offensive line and they ran the ball more than they passed. And they forced fed Jeanty. Any starting running back from the SEC would’ve put up similar numbers at Boise State. Numerous 2,000 yard running backs didn’t win the Heisman.
And for people calling this a popularity contest, a lot of people in the media have been hating on Colorado all year. So how good did Hunter have to be for some of them to still vote for him. They could’ve easily given it to Jeanty.
Travis and Ashton were clearly the two best players in the country. If I had a vote, I would have given them half a first place vote each.
The part I don't get was why there were any first place votes that went to someone OTHER than those two. Anyone whose first place vote didn't go to either of them should have their ballot invalidated and lose the right to ever vote for Heisman again.
Good Shyt Josh! Great segment…
Could it be the realest thing you ever wrote
Darren McFadden should have won his Sophomore year. When he didn't, I stopped paying attention to who wins. Runner up twice? Okay... Heisman is a relic. Only journos and gamblers care anymore.
I'm shocked anybody could act like Hunter didn't deserve it he had a hell of year on both sides of the ball did things we've never seen before.
Generation of win people already did better than him. We have already seen that Travis Hunter is doing stuff that we haven’t seen in the game for as long as football exist. He’s special.
Round of applause 👏🏾., You said everything that needed to be said about this., Like him or not., HE IS SPECIAL and so is Jent., love how u worded all of this.
From ducks fan I love your show josh
He will return Punts & Kickoffs in the NFL.
I think Travis Hunter should definitely been in the conversation for simply attempting the feat of playing both ways and then actually pulling it off. Honestly a lot more very high caliber CBs or WRs could play both ways many even do earlier in their college careers, but the injury risk and fatigue (which further increases injury risk) frankly doesn't make it worth it. So definitely major props for that sheer feat of athleticism! Additionally I agree that he deserves no hate or personal shots, that is just gross and egregious and probably a knock-on effect of the Deion hate which I also can't get behind... however, I do think it is also pretty clear that Jeanty should have won the Heisman. Historic levels of production that carries his team to the playoffs, no need to get any fancier than that.
I do wish you'd take some time off on fighting the culture wars or whatever it is you think you are doing. I used to think it was cute, but its just the same story over and over again at this point. Sure the hate is ridiculous, but its so old hat for the internet at this point we don't need to go over it. Its also reasonable for football-minded people to call Jeanty not winning a "snub" without taking anything away from Travis Hunter. Thinking Jeanty should have very clearly won is not necessarily a casual take and is not a shot at Hunter which you appear to conflagrate.
Josh kept it 💯 % real on this take. You don’t gotta put Travis down just to lift Ashton up. Take Travis log outta ya az then you think straight. You hear me boy?
I would love to see Josh in a European barber shop for a Messi/Ronaldo debate 😂😂
Two simple ways Boise State Road I could’ve won Heisman score some special teams tds or break Barry sanders records before voting ended.
I agree that your team should be in contention to win the Heisman, but in this case, Hunter may have been the "best" American college football player, and that is the standard
There should be a trophy named after Travis Hunter…I mean, the level at which he played is unbelievable 🙏🏾🙏🏾💪🏾💪🏾
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Somehow Baseball fans who zealously observe numbers and records like biblical scripture were less psychotic about Shohei Ohtani doing something that was effectively extinct from baseball since the 1920’s than CFB fans acted over Travis Hunter.
Hi handsome, great channel,video,vocabulary & introduction.
You're right the casuals have taken over college football once Deion became a coach. The toxicity of that fan base is unreal. We celebrate players who put up the historic season not tear them down because they don't play for your guy.
Everybody calling everyone a 'casual' they disagree with is going to make watching college football channels unbearable. lol
i see everyone saying Ashton Jeanty didn’t play anyone, well they faced a top 10 rush defense in the MW championship. the top defense they faced they only lost by a TD. the top defense Travis Hunter faced they lost by 18 points. the dude stat pads yet y’all don’t accuse him of it but do with other players. you can’t have it one way over another
Those stats won them games, so please stop being a hater. I am so tired of all of the hate, is it impossible for anyone to show any kind of love or is it that it doesn’t exist much anymore?
MW championship game ain’t play nobody of course they got a top defense 😂😂😂
Stat padding? ALL Bosie, does it hand the ball to #2. That's literally the whole game plan...... if that ain't stat padding. RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT!
An educated person would understand, for ANYONE to break or set a record. The team is padding their stats! Jenty included, he has been force-fed all year. Damn near 40 carries a game, stop it. In your mind, i bet that's not padding stats, yeah, right.......
That’s kind of a silly argument. Did you forgot about the first time they played that same team you’re referring to(UNLV)? He ran it over 30 times at 3 yards a carry. If anything it just proves how freezing temperatures can affect a team like UNLV.. Jeanty is a great running back and he’s really fun to watch, but Travis Hunter is hands down the best college football player in the country. His impact on both sides of the ball was immense, and he wasn’t getting the ball handed to him on every other play like Jeanty. If Travis was padding anyone’s stats it was his fellow receivers and db’s, because teams were doing everything they could to keep the ball away from him! I hate you weren’t able to understand and appreciate how truly special and the one of a kind talent Travis Hunter is.
Hunter was the best player this season.......Period. Full stop.
Lmao that’s hilarious this will go down as the worst heismen candidate everyone knows rewards aren’t meant to be a popularity contest
@@Jj6004-n1eHis numbers speak for themselves. No one in the history of the sport has done what he just accomplished. Hate on. This man just listed every valid point and you completely came to troll and ignore everything he mentioned.
@ no 14 other people have done what he has and many more then just the 14 that are listed you know why there’s barley any listed is bc it’s not an achievement
Josh Pate is always making sense of this crazy college football world. Bravo, sir.
Wait…Barber Shop 🤔
It’s not that I think Jeanty is overrated; but could he do what he’s doing at Tennessee or at Washington? I think Travis Hunter played incredibly well; I think for the first time in a while, it boiled down to just talent between the finalists.
Well tbf the strength of schedule between Travis and Jeanty were nearly identical
How did Hunter win the Heisman and the award for best defensive player, but wasn’t a finalist, for the Jim Thorpe award? That’s the real travesty.
They know what a fraud he is.
The heisman vote, yeah, there's a legit argument for Hunter, simply because Woodson won it, and Hunter had a much better season than Woodson. The voting travesty, in my opinion, was him winning the belitnikoff award. He did not deserve that award, and I will die on that hill.
Which player with better stats had the record to back it up or improved a team to be in contention for a CFP spot? I'll wait..
Jeanty best in 10 yrs, what stat was Hunter best in, this yr?
They both were deserving of the award, but I understand why Hunter won the award. We don’t see anyone rush for 2400 yard either. Name the last guy. You are really down playing what jeanty did in this day and age age.
Average heisman winning wr
1989 yards/season
173 yards/game
17.5 TD
SOS:8.5
The heisman winning cb
8 ints
SOS:12
Travis hunter
1,152 yards/season
96 yards per/game
14 TD
4 ints
SOS:71
Bowl game: Valero Alamo bowl
Average heisman winning RB
5.8 yards/carry
140 yards/game
1900 total yards
22 TD
SOS:13
23 carries/game
Ashton Jeanty
7.3 yards/carry
192.1 yards/game
2,497 total
29 TD (28 rushing)
SOS:78
26.9 carries/game
Bowl Game: Playoff quarter final
Non of those players did both at a high level 😂
@@kungfukhi2378nor did he, do I need to pull up Devonta Smith stats from his heisman season?
@@loganpinner5212yeah you do! Show me Devonta’s defensive stats since we know what he did on offense
@@loganpinner5212why it’s not relevant Travis won it’s done.
@ I would but he had a real receiving season and didn’t need it
Oh boy, more heisman discussion. 🙄
It’s become a freak show….IMO!
If Shauder Sanders was invited would that have split the vote more between him and Travis...and Jenty wins running away
Thank you for speaking on this the discourse around this race has been so jarring, it’s almost turned into some kind of political thing and it’s dishwashing to see
CFB has not been conventional since 2020… Maybe you’re on to something, Josh… This entire season was uncomfortable… Conference realignments, powerhouses not as powerhouse.. ish, NIL, the playoff committee, and on and on…
Ginty deserved the Heisman. He was the most outstanding player in college football. But that's not what the now irrelevant trophy is about or has been about for decades. It's about who gets the most publicity.
Cryyyyyy 😂
Josh, I heard Ashton Jeanty's comments right after the award ceremony shows he is a massive "Head Case". He is unable to acknowledge or recognize that a 2-Way player that was dominant at both positions will always beat out a 1-way player running back. Ashton Jeanty truly ignorantly believes he should have won over 2-way star Travis Hunter. Let that sink in. If I were an NFL owner or GM I would NOT draft him. He lacks the intelligence, maturity to recognize something that is good or great outside of himself.
If there were only 1-way players i.e. QB's, Running Backs in the Heisman Race he could make a successful argument he should have won but dominant 2-way players will alway outshine and win against 1-way players and the fact that Ashton Jeanty does not have the intelligence, the humility to understand that and move on is why I believe he is a "Head Case"/.
This was the weakest Heisman race I can remember. Jeanty was the best man.
You should have a vote Josh
Tell nebraska fans, who he talked smack to the fist time they played, and then blamed everyone but himself when they got blown out. He said someone who was having a prayer was disrespectful. He talks a big game, but he got shut down 4-5 times this year so I do think he is overrated. Only one of these two guys is going to be forever in the history books, and it's not travis
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@TheWayWeTalk90 … Since joining the B1G Ten in 2011, it took less than 5 years for ALL of the teams and fan bases in surrounding states to learn that Nebraska and their fans are trash! … Before that, the same was known to be true when they were in the Big 12.
What is it about Nebraska that makes their fans such pieces of crap?
Well said...Is Coach Prime the first African American Head Coach to have a Heisman?
@@Divatherapeutics he isn't a heisman winner, lol
Too bad he won, get over yourself. Or get some help.
Heisman aside - Do you think Hunter was also the best WR and the Best Defensive player in the country ? He also won those awards.
Best receiver yes (please do not bring up Nick Nash), best defensive player no.
@@shawnrucker441 the best wide receiver shouldn't be shut down for 1/3 of the games tho... And need garbage time to put up stats
@@TheWayWeTalk90Which games did he get shut down? I already replied to one of your other 50 comments talking about Nebraska. If you watched or did a simple Google search you'd know he missed most of the K. STATE GAME AND THE ARIZONA game!
Who has been top 5 at both positions ever in the history of the game. He is the first 1st team all American on 2 sides of the ball ever. Please stop hating on this kid. Do you realize how hard it is to do that?
I felt Hunter deserved it, felt Ashley fans had an argument. Couldn’t hate if either won. This Travis is not a good player argument is just a non starter when it comes to football.
Both equally deserve it. Jeanty is a beast who almost single-handedly, has led his team to a CFP berth and is close to breaking Barry Sanders record. Meanwhile Trav is a unicorn who was 2nd in TD’s, 6th in receiving yards, while tallying 4 ints and 11 deflections. He was also ranked as the 3rd best corner and the 5th best receiver by PFF. In one season he was top 5 at 2 positions. Nobody has ever done that. Him winning the Biletnikoff and Bednarik was highly questionable. But in regard to the Heisman, he was deserving of it by being a player we have never seen before and by having the stats to back it up. Also W/L doesn’t matter. Tebow, Lamar, and many others have won it with 3 losses. Whether Travis or Jeanty won, it would’ve been valid. I’m not a big fan of Deion and Colorado, but I think peoples negative opinions on Colorado seeps into peoples opinions of Travis.
There was no best player on the best team This was going to be a toss up.
Totally agree with what he said but that Jeanty boy got just as much shit all year so lets not pretend its all one direction 😂 The comment sections on both of their highlight vids all year were a $%^& show
Memaw always right
Rare Pate L. It happens.
Travis Hunter is a unicorn. That being said, he undoubtably was the beneficiary of all of the hype that ESPN and FOX put on PRIME. Had it not happened, most of the country would not have ever heard of Travis Hunter, which would have been it's own travesty. To say that he wasn't a recipient of the Deion hype machine, is just in-genuine. This doesn't mean that he wasn't worthy of the hype and the Heisman, but had Jeanty been as well marketed by a celebrity such as PRIME, the outcome could have been different. It's not hate. It's just fact.
Shhhhhhh... The men are talking
Most of the country wouldn’t have heard of the number one ranked player coming out of high school?? You know how idiotic that sounds right???
BS (utter BS) need I remind you, college football fans, athletes, alumni, aficionados (like yourself) made their own decision to pick up the remote control, tune in to the COLORADO game and get this… ON EVERY PLAY watch the screen to see what Travis Hunter was about to do. Read that again. EVERY PLAY. His stardom is not a byproduct of only being coached by Prime, but being ELITE on both sides of the ball. EVERY PLAY! It’s funny because some of yall sound like the clowns in the 90’s who HATED the fact that Prime was not only ELITE on the football field, but was a damn good baseball player as well. Let these Kings live their lives… appreciate it why you can
Decisions have positive and negative consequences… positive = Jeanty balled out in the Mountain West. Let you tell it, negative = he didn’t play for Coach Prime
He was a five star coming out of high school and ranked number 1 player in the class of 2022. If he didn’t meet didn’t meet prime he was probably gonna playing for a bigger school 😭.
Travis should’ve won in a landslide. That’s the only controversy lol
The S.E.C sucked so bad .they needed G5 stats to keep up with Hunter ..talk about that ..when was the last G5 player up for the heismen ..
Before the ceremony I would have loved to see college football first co- Heisman trophy winners.
SOMEONE SAVE TRAVIS HUNTER FROM HIS GOLD DIGGING GIRLFRIEND
The amount of people I’ve seen call Travis Hunter average on both sides of the ball is insane. And screams casual. Then when I point out he’s top 5 in nearly every major statistical category at receiver and db. They just deny that he is despite it being a verifiable fact.
Dude, have you seen the level of competition (or lack thereof) that he did it against? He not only played in a glorified G5 league, but also didn’t face the top 3 teams in said league. He’s also disappointed in CU’s biggest games over the past 2 seasons. Oh, and he had probably the first overall pick in the draft throwing him the ball. Having top 5 stats does not necessarily mean he’s in the top 5 players at the position, at least under these circumstances.
And before anyone talks about Boise’s strength of schedule, (1) it’s not much worse than CU’s, and (2) Jeanty balled out when they faced Oregon. Hunter hasn’t done well against top completion.
@@bluemarlin8138Which games did he disappoint other than when he was hurt? Please don't be a casual and say K. State and Arizona when he barely played in either of those games. He had over 100 yds against Nebraska and Kansas. So please state those disappointments?
2:13 your grandma was a very based lady Josh
I'm confused about the race card, because they're the same??
Race card? He literally said, “some of you subconsciously don’t like Travis Hunter because he didn’t go down the route you wanted he take.” Josh is right… Some of y’all are telling on yourself… the comment didn’t even include Jeanty.
Most undeserving heismen winner there has ever been it is a disgrace to reward rewards aren’t popularity contest they made a mockery of cfb
The Heisman should be picked after the Naty Tittle decided there always someone who comes up in playoffs think Dylan Sampson deserves it especially if he leads Tenn to Natty he should have at least been considered!
Who is complaining about Travis Hunter winning the Heisman? Who gives a shit?
You hiding under a rock?
With celebrity backing and a few friends over at ESPN you too can be a heisman trophy winner
You are absolutely right . 🤡
Honestly worst take I’ve heard, the fact hunter won both the defensive player of the year and that wide receiver award was definitely bias no matter how you see it, he definitely should have been runner ups in those, but there were better wide receivers and defensive players than hunter, it extends to the heisman too, Jeanty got mad robbed, to see a running back to even come close to the rushing record and lead in every single stat is a generational talent and should definitely win the heisman over a good two way player that leads in no stats. Bringing the story of Hunter into this is also wild, Jeanty literally started playing football in Italy, went to America, played both ways in high school, got little to no offers cause he only broke out his senior year, went to Boise, killed it his sophomore year, turned down millions dollar offers from most powerhouse programs, and stuck with Boise, and will likely break the single season rushing record in the playoffs
I can’t respect a heisman winner that does “dog piss” celebrations (that players used to get flagged for mind you) while up multiple scores against a 3-8 team
Good thing that Heisman winner ain't even close to being worried about your sorry opinion.
For the record, that wasn’t him and they did throw a flag for that. That was actually an ex OSU DB player. Who is a Dawg! Casual comment at its best.
bust
I think a case can be made for DG winning... Great stats but even better is what he's accomplished. First year at Oregon, first year
in the B1G, 13-0 and winning the title. Also, how is it that Lanning didn't win HC of the year? First year in the B1G going 13-0
and winning the title. What more does a coach have to do?
Dillon is 35 yrs old and a 10th year senior whom has started every possible year he could play in college, played at a high level at UCF and OU and still came back another year. Dude has had a whole NFL career in college with pretty much similar stats since he was at UCF. So of course he was supposed to be successful at Oregon.
Big 12 Bias!!!!!!!!!!??????
First round byes and a Heisman!?!? Mountain freakin’ west as runner up?
My God the infamous “they” REALLY tried this year… but we need more spots because we had a heisman and a runner up. Arizona State and Boise…
Insert Batman slapping Robin
They’re not fooling anybody or making anything better by creating a WWE Cinderella story and forcing it on us. And they can’t believe the garbage coming out of their mouth.
Ok so who shoulda got it? IMO, Gabriel. Why? He lead his team all the way through the BIG 10. Beat Ohio, Michigan, Penn State, apparently Indiana was in it… Beat them too. Has beaten 3 playoff teams.
Just ONCE you need to show the SEC and Big 10 some love lol!
Guess it’s all about the little schools. Huh!?
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Travis is a great player, but he wasn’t good enough to win the Heisman this year. What Jeanty did this year was comparable to what Barry Sanders did in his Heisman campaign. Just saying.
Go look up the definition of what the Heisman is really about. It doesn't say the player with the best stats. Most outstanding player, recognizing excellence in performance, integrity, and hard work. Not anywhere in the actual definition does it say the award goes only to the #1 player in his position with the #1 stats. The award looks at the player overall and as a whole. That's why it's objectionable for those who get to vote.
@ in all of those categories, Jeanty is the choice.