Bike culture on youtube needs more DIY carbon parts! It's certainly not for everyone but I believe doing something yourself is a fantastic way to learn and appreciate the things you have.
Kudos for not making a 20minute video including how to move the saw back and forth, and opening a glue package with 3 mins dedicated to knife safety. Great rack!
Inspirational video thanks. I’m mid build on mine but have added front stays and plan on using metal bars to attach to the seat stays on my Giant Revolt. I did but a £10 drill bit which enlarged the eyelets without needing heat treatment. I also bought JB Weld for the epoxy.. and as per another comment, I’m planning on using Loctite 222 on all the threads to give a secure rattle free fit. I am grateful for the links to purchase the Carbon tubes, eyelets and threaded inserts. Living in NZ, I have to say Ali Express have upped their game on shorter delivery times. And a subtle bend on the eyelets as my rack width is 12.5 cm but parallel.
Nearly complete, just have to shape the ends of the 2 cross members for the rack. I do have a Giant seat stem mount on order but my prototype is attached to the seat stay inner mounting holes (why the F on the inside of the seat stays?) with 10x4 mm Alloy bar. It seems very stiff and strong so far. Once all complete I’ll assemble it with thread lock.
I've just finished my initial design with a 3d printed seat-tube mount. I was worrying about rattling and will definitely use loctite as well. However, from my testfit I found that it comes together under a little bit of tension, which per geometry leads to rattle free montage :) - lucky benefit and works well! My only concern now is how to fit my daily backpack on there. I'm thinking of a pouch or just straps with a bit of cloth, so I can strap together whatever I want to take. Like a basket, but flexible..
Just remember that these carbon tubes are constructed by wrapping crossed plies around a mandrel, which is important. Some carbon fiber tubes are 'pultruded', which are cheaper, and fine for some applications, but those tubes can be crushed easily. Don't skimp on the tubes to save a few extra bucks!
Short, to the point and with everything we need nonetheless, that's brilliant! Not sure why so little views, this deserves definitely more! Here is my contribution to the algorithm. Keep up the good work, you just earned a subscriber.
Wow! I had a similar idea using carbon tubes for a rack, but joints are made of larger diameter aluminium bent tubes (the principle is much like old Cadex frames) But your approach is something! So neat and simple! Absolutely love the idea! Thanks for sharing it ❤
Really nice video and a great diy project! Small note on the drilling of the eyebolts: they are probably not hardened so drilling them out should be no problem with a normal hss drill. But dropping red hot bolts in oil gives them a nice black finish with a tiny amount of rust protection. So there you go
instead of the m6 eye modification, a 5mm thick 135 mm long allen key wheel skewer might work. it will make it heavier but there's something cool about potentially using an off the shelf bicycle part for this
I had a similar idea recently for the gravel fork that only has mudguard eyelets, but seems to be sturdy enough to hold less half a kilo on each side. Now this video is a good rerefence for that build :)
Can't wait to try this. Also, just watched your "paper music video" video, very cool work. Would love to see more of whatever you're working on. Cheers.
Oh cool. RUclips send me the guy doing what I wondered if anyone did do. Tho what would be really grand is a frame mounted front bag/rack fairing that's huge and doubles as bag. And aero of course. Aero for the size and space on offer at least, taking into account it's making wind flow over the rider. Basically turning a bicycle into a Suzuki Hayabusa, kinda.
Awesome design. The end joint tricky part could maybe improved/simplified more with soldering? or just strong epoxy in that area too, since epoxy is used in the center cross bars.
Присоединяюсь к предыдущим комментариям, спасибо что поделились этой простой и крутой идеей. Я как раз искал нечто похожее для своего Scott addict, надо придумать как крепить стойки, так как у меня нет отверстий для багажника…
You can skip the hardening part, since the eyelids are stainless steel it won't do anything to the hardness. Would work if you had plain steel with more than 0,2% carbon in the alloy
Thanks for the inspiration and links to parts. Have to say drilling holes in carbon did not worked smoothly so used round file which in my case worked so much better and I could really fine tune the angles (not that it worked as planed though). Also at some point (when i get new ones) will have to drill bolt eyelets at some angle to have less tension on the construction. Or maybe for the next rack I'll cut tube at the angle...(did not do it this time). Since I wanted to have weight to be as low as possible went with factory rack mounts on seatstays on my Kynesis, which alas were in my opinion poorly placed and interfered witch rack construction, so had to bend bolts to make it work, which ain't perfect and still working on my metal workmanship skills...anyhow. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. The rack did not fall apart on the first ride (no load) but poor gravel roads so now on final stretch to get rid of small bugs and then figuring out the bag for this rack. Thanks again for great video and inspiration.
@@cincas I've now taken mine on an 800k loaded ride so I'm confident it won't fall apart. The cross braces fell off, but it didn't affect the strength or stability so I think they may be superfluous.
@@SladeTakalaLamey well, now that i think I should have spent more time sanding the joining surfaces. The time will tell :) Will put mine at the end of the week with some load on top and will let you know how it went.
This is great! Just built up a vintage frame, and I can't find a pannier that fits the bill. May just be a mish mash of parts and some inspo from this, making use of the carbon rods
@@CemlynGriffiths that's brilliant. My last bike was a recycle centre build, so I feel your pain. Good luck! Please send me a pic. I'm trying to convince everyone to send me their efforts for a follow up film.
@SladeTakalaLamey parts are en route, going to make a carbon plate front rack. Drill a bunch of holes for mounting. So I most certainly will send you a few photos. Love the channel btw!
So nice diy "tailfin" rack. Am building a rack my self, Think i will glue some wrap fabric "Carbon fibre tape 125 g/m² (unidirectional) 10 mm" around the connection of the smallest tube and waste the dowels . Am thinking these connection you have is a weak spot. But in all so content you have put out with this rack.
@@SladeTakalaLamey Sure eye bolt will go nowhere, it was only the two smallest tubes where you masked the tubes with tape. was ment as an idea if you got issues. Was so happy to see you work, and you got a new subcriper.
Also ordered some rods and want to try to put them together with 3D-printed Nylon Sleeves. Those have still to be designed and I hope it will work as imagined.
@@kneeslidergurkeI definitely considered that option. Ended up playing to my strengths and went lo-fi. Please send me pics when you are done, I'm trying to build a collection of people I've inspired.
Did you have to bend the eyelets to get angles from the seat clamp and then again at the ajoining brace at the rear? Parts ordered, great weekend project just the right amount of space to take my gym kit. Inspired!
Thanks. I ordered some thicker gauge 9mm OD aluminum tube to add to the internal of the bracing instead of wooden dowels. Once again this is a great project thanks for sharing
I'd love to see an *even longer* form video on this explaining: -What tools (ex. hacksaw blades?) you used, and why -How you could potentially improve your pannier rack in a V2 -Some basic safety tips like: wearing a mask applying water to your carbon(with a spray bottle or something) before cutting - to getting a cleaner cut, saving your lungs, and prevent itchy carbon dust from irritating your skin
I just did it and didn't know about the water trick - thanks. But its actually really easy and I just used a common FFP2 mask from the pandemic and it seems really fine. Its cool he made the video look easy, since it actually motivated me^^. But thanks again for the extra tips!
Hey, excellent video! embarking on making one myself. quick question though, the 2 bolts that screw the carbon poles together at the back and top, and the 2 that go into the rack adaptor, what size are those bolts? cheers
Cheers, Glad you liked it. The bolts that go into the frame and adapter are standard M5. The bolts that connect the carbon crossbar are M6.... Tip, I bought some Ti M5 bolts they are really cheap on Ali and much less likely to sheer under any strain.
@@SladeTakalaLamey cheers, will order some now! Gonna try video me doing it. Will make sure to share end results. Depending how well this goes I might also attempt a front rack at some point
@@SladeTakalaLamey 60-70% complete, I tried to enlarge the eyelets but couldn't make it work. I instead ordered some rivets in M5 which i'll tape and epoxy into the tubes to fit. The end of the M5 rivets fits perfectly into the carbon tubes without falling through.
Hey there! I went ahead and built one for myself. It works pretty well with an 8l drybag, however the screws rattle quite a bit in the rivet nuts. How is that on your side? I'm thinking about cutting some aluminum tubing to size and tighten the rods onto those to mitigate it.
I filled the bolts with enough red locktight that they are solid for me. Please can you send me a picture, you are the first to get back with a complete build, so congrats.
I would like to recreate this on my Scott addict. It has rear fender mounting holes and threads, but I am scared that they will not hold the weight of the pack. Has anyone have experience or advice on how to to this best?
Even the big heavy duty pannier racks are only screwed into those mounting holes, they are stronger than you think. I would suggest getting some steel or Ti bolts though. You are strong enough to break an aluminium M5 bolt just by screwing it in too light.
Squirt some thinner on tissue and just wipe the excess epoxy off. ...and make sure you change wiping spots on the tissue otherwise you'll smear the previous thinner-epoxy mixture back on to the surface.
@@piratepete1475 I tried it stationary with 22kg, I am looking for feedback from people who have attempted it. I've got lots of pictures from the people who have made their own. If you are right, I await the hate mail.
It's one of the inexplicable mysteries in cycling that no one makes carbon racks, except for the very expensive tailfin, and there only for the rear. Or fenders-mudguards, which would be even easier. Drives me nuts that the stays provided with even the expensive floppy plastic fenders are the same old thick pot-metal stays in use for half a century, that dont like to bend, but oh do they love to flail around... Even cold cured carbon would be better than floppy plastic....
@@SladeTakalaLamey awesome…. have been thinking for years about giving it a go…. your video may have finally motivated me to maybe do something, maybe…. :) it would be a great little business…. I think the tailfin guy started in his own garage….
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Bike culture on youtube needs more DIY carbon parts! It's certainly not for everyone but I believe doing something yourself is a fantastic way to learn and appreciate the things you have.
What other things would you suggest?
Kudos for not making a 20minute video including how to move the saw back and forth, and opening a glue package with 3 mins dedicated to knife safety. Great rack!
Bravo mate. This is one of the best 'diy/bike hack' things I've seen on youtube in years. Criminally underrated channel.
Thank you for being generous with your time and expertise!
@@petert8931 my absolute pleasure.
Unfortunately I can't upvote this video twice:(
But I'll keep trying.
Thanks brother.
This has just the right amount of detail. Nice.
Inspirational video thanks. I’m mid build on mine but have added front stays and plan on using metal bars to attach to the seat stays on my Giant Revolt.
I did but a £10 drill bit which enlarged the eyelets without needing heat treatment. I also bought JB Weld for the epoxy.. and as per another comment, I’m planning on using Loctite 222 on all the threads to give a secure rattle free fit.
I am grateful for the links to purchase the Carbon tubes, eyelets and threaded inserts. Living in NZ, I have to say Ali Express have upped their game on shorter delivery times.
And a subtle bend on the eyelets as my rack width is 12.5 cm but parallel.
Amazing congratulations, I'd love to see it. Please can send me a pic. I'm trying to collect together completed racks for a video.
Will do.
Nearly complete, just have to shape the ends of the 2 cross members for the rack.
I do have a Giant seat stem mount on order but my prototype is attached to the seat stay inner mounting holes (why the F on the inside of the seat stays?) with 10x4 mm Alloy bar.
It seems very stiff and strong so far. Once all complete I’ll assemble it with thread lock.
I've just finished my initial design with a 3d printed seat-tube mount.
I was worrying about rattling and will definitely use loctite as well. However, from my testfit I found that it comes together under a little bit of tension, which per geometry leads to rattle free montage :) - lucky benefit and works well!
My only concern now is how to fit my daily backpack on there. I'm thinking of a pouch or just straps with a bit of cloth, so I can strap together whatever I want to take. Like a basket, but flexible..
Just remember that these carbon tubes are constructed by wrapping crossed plies around a mandrel, which is important. Some carbon fiber tubes are 'pultruded', which are cheaper, and fine for some applications, but those tubes can be crushed easily. Don't skimp on the tubes to save a few extra bucks!
Superb! I chopped down a standard aluminium rack to save weight for a bike packing rack bag. I love it but your carbon version is next level!
Been waiting for a video like this while watching my usual crazy priced Carbon rack. Awesome.
Loved the original video being straight to the point, supplemented with this.
Sick- great work. The mind boggles with possibilities! Would love to see you have a crack at a carbon porteur rack.
It's very tempting.
Amazing. I've got the Tailfin setup with panniers but your design looks just as awesome. I guess creating some type of quick release would be tricky…
bro you hyped me so much. thanks for sharing.
Short, to the point and with everything we need nonetheless, that's brilliant! Not sure why so little views, this deserves definitely more!
Here is my contribution to the algorithm. Keep up the good work, you just earned a subscriber.
Wow! I had a similar idea using carbon tubes for a rack, but joints are made of larger diameter aluminium bent tubes (the principle is much like old Cadex frames)
But your approach is something!
So neat and simple! Absolutely love the idea! Thanks for sharing it ❤
Really nice video and a great diy project! Small note on the drilling of the eyebolts: they are probably not hardened so drilling them out should be no problem with a normal hss drill. But dropping red hot bolts in oil gives them a nice black finish with a tiny amount of rust protection. So there you go
instead of the m6 eye modification, a 5mm thick 135 mm long allen key wheel skewer might work. it will make it heavier but there's something cool about potentially using an off the shelf bicycle part for this
It's a great idea. You could even get a some M5 nuts and smaller tubes to keep it all stiff.
I'm in, ordered the parts from your links. Kudos to you for your ingenuity and for sharing. Game changer!
I had a similar idea recently for the gravel fork that only has mudguard eyelets, but seems to be sturdy enough to hold less half a kilo on each side.
Now this video is a good rerefence for that build :)
Great work, thanks. Theres a lot here I wouldn't have thought of.
Short and to the point! Love it!.
Can't wait to try this. Also, just watched your "paper music video" video, very cool work. Would love to see more of whatever you're working on. Cheers.
This is fantastic content, I look forward to seeing more of your videos
Thanks very much! There's a 360 mount add-on that I'm working on as we speak.
Thanks for making this. Really love it... might have to have a go at that at some point. Love the simple concept and how far it could be pushed. 😊
Oh cool. RUclips send me the guy doing what I wondered if anyone did do. Tho what would be really grand is a frame mounted front bag/rack fairing that's huge and doubles as bag. And aero of course. Aero for the size and space on offer at least, taking into account it's making wind flow over the rider. Basically turning a bicycle into a Suzuki Hayabusa, kinda.
Please keep us posted.
Great project, thank you! I really appreciate your effort and creativity. Subbed.
happy to have discovered you, great work, now you have a new subscriber
Awesome design. The end joint tricky part could maybe improved/simplified more with soldering? or just strong epoxy in that area too, since epoxy is used in the center cross bars.
Присоединяюсь к предыдущим комментариям, спасибо что поделились этой простой и крутой идеей. Я как раз искал нечто похожее для своего Scott addict, надо придумать как крепить стойки, так как у меня нет отверстий для багажника…
Awesome job, great bike hack! Would love to make my own!
Well done mate. I am curious what's coming next.
Training for a 1000k race, so lots of adventure.
You can skip the hardening part, since the eyelids are stainless steel it won't do anything to the hardness. Would work if you had plain steel with more than 0,2% carbon in the alloy
Watch out Tailfin! 👊
You can use also plastic dowels inside the tubes
You are welcome to adapt the design as you see fit. I had some wooden dowel lying around.
Thanks for the inspiration and links to parts. Have to say drilling holes in carbon did not worked smoothly so used round file which in my case worked so much better and I could really fine tune the angles (not that it worked as planed though). Also at some point (when i get new ones) will have to drill bolt eyelets at some angle to have less tension on the construction. Or maybe for the next rack I'll cut tube at the angle...(did not do it this time). Since I wanted to have weight to be as low as possible went with factory rack mounts on seatstays on my Kynesis, which alas were in my opinion poorly placed and interfered witch rack construction, so had to bend bolts to make it work, which ain't perfect and still working on my metal workmanship skills...anyhow. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. The rack did not fall apart on the first ride (no load) but poor gravel roads so now on final stretch to get rid of small bugs and then figuring out the bag for this rack. Thanks again for great video and inspiration.
@@cincas I've now taken mine on an 800k loaded ride so I'm confident it won't fall apart. The cross braces fell off, but it didn't affect the strength or stability so I think they may be superfluous.
@@SladeTakalaLamey well, now that i think I should have spent more time sanding the joining surfaces. The time will tell :) Will put mine at the end of the week with some load on top and will let you know how it went.
@@cincas good luck. Please can you send me some pics. 🙂
@@SladeTakalaLamey I will. Got some ideas how to solve some issues that came up, so will send with comments as well.
great video, just happened onto your channel the other day. still exceedingly to the point, especially for the "in detail" version haha
This is great! Just built up a vintage frame, and I can't find a pannier that fits the bill. May just be a mish mash of parts and some inspo from this, making use of the carbon rods
@@CemlynGriffiths that's brilliant. My last bike was a recycle centre build, so I feel your pain. Good luck! Please send me a pic. I'm trying to convince everyone to send me their efforts for a follow up film.
@SladeTakalaLamey parts are en route, going to make a carbon plate front rack. Drill a bunch of holes for mounting. So I most certainly will send you a few photos. Love the channel btw!
@@CemlynGriffiths amazing. Good luck!! 🍀
This is awesome, thanks for making this!
New here: very nice build !!
Thank you so much. Great instructions and awesome video quality!!
Great stuff. Cheers from Brazil.
Amazing work and thanks for sharing!!!
Fabulous !
I just received all the geaIs it possible to have the plan of the bags please 😊?
@@maximevilladary there's a video coming out in the new year with plans to boot.
@SladeTakalaLamey ouh yes 😍
And merry christmas 🫶🏼
So nice diy "tailfin" rack. Am building a rack my self, Think i will glue some wrap fabric "Carbon fibre tape 125 g/m² (unidirectional) 10 mm" around the connection of the smallest tube and waste the dowels . Am thinking these connection you have is a weak spot. But in all so content you have put out with this rack.
I tugged with all my might on a piece of string tied through the eye bolts, no movement. I await to see what 1000k of vibration will do to the epoxy.
@@SladeTakalaLamey Sure eye bolt will go nowhere, it was only the two smallest tubes where you masked the tubes with tape. was ment as an idea if you got issues. Was so happy to see you work, and you got a new subcriper.
Carbon rods ordered!! 😊
I’m hopefully gonna make it compatible with ortlieb panniers, 🤞
@@matthewsouthall1286 best of luck. Please let me know how it goes and send pics when you are done.
Will do
Also ordered some rods and want to try to put them together with 3D-printed Nylon Sleeves. Those have still to be designed and I hope it will work as imagined.
@@kneeslidergurkeI definitely considered that option. Ended up playing to my strengths and went lo-fi. Please send me pics when you are done, I'm trying to build a collection of people I've inspired.
Finished it last week, sent the pictures through to your instagram. 😊 but you haven't seen it. You want me to sent them through on something else??
Excellent explanation - thank you!
Thank you so much for the explanation! This is awesome!
This is brilliant
Did you have to bend the eyelets to get angles from the seat clamp and then again at the ajoining brace at the rear? Parts ordered, great weekend project just the right amount of space to take my gym kit. Inspired!
Well spotted, it's the part of the video I missed. Yes, 'like Jeremy Clarkson', with a hammer!
Thanks. I ordered some thicker gauge 9mm OD aluminum tube to add to the internal of the bracing instead of wooden dowels. Once again this is a great project thanks for sharing
This is great! Thanks for sharing
I'd love to see an *even longer* form video on this explaining:
-What tools (ex. hacksaw blades?) you used, and why
-How you could potentially improve your pannier rack in a V2
-Some basic safety tips like:
wearing a mask
applying water to your carbon(with a spray bottle or something) before cutting - to getting a cleaner cut, saving your lungs, and prevent itchy carbon dust from irritating your skin
I just did it and didn't know about the water trick - thanks. But its actually really easy and I just used a common FFP2 mask from the pandemic and it seems really fine. Its cool he made the video look easy, since it actually motivated me^^. But thanks again for the extra tips!
Thanks for making this! The affiliate links aren't working for me just fyi
Me neither
+1
All fixed, thanks for the heads up!
Blueprint link not working for me, help
I love this!! I want to make one. I wonder how long it would last on a gravel bike off road?
I'm doing a 1000k race in a few week, so watch this space
Excellent, I'll have a teeshirt too if you want to sell' em.
Brilliant
Thats so cool!
I might do this for my brompton ^^.
They make one for Brompton, it's where I got the inspiration for this.
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Thanks for sharing!
good job, thx for sharing !
this is amazing
Beautiful! What was the maximum load it survived so far? I mean in real ride, not those 40lbs.
I just did a 120k off road full of camera batteries and clothes, but I didn't weigh it sorry. It's still solid as a rock.
Thanks so much!
Hey, excellent video! embarking on making one myself. quick question though, the 2 bolts that screw the carbon poles together at the back and top, and the 2 that go into the rack adaptor, what size are those bolts? cheers
Cheers, Glad you liked it. The bolts that go into the frame and adapter are standard M5. The bolts that connect the carbon crossbar are M6.... Tip, I bought some Ti M5 bolts they are really cheap on Ali and much less likely to sheer under any strain.
@@SladeTakalaLamey cheers, will order some now! Gonna try video me doing it. Will make sure to share end results. Depending how well this goes I might also attempt a front rack at some point
@@ollieknight45 good luck! Make sure you share your results. I'll do a comment style reply!
@@SladeTakalaLamey 60-70% complete, I tried to enlarge the eyelets but couldn't make it work. I instead ordered some rivets in M5 which i'll tape and epoxy into the tubes to fit. The end of the M5 rivets fits perfectly into the carbon tubes without falling through.
@@ollieknight45 Cool! keep me posted.
Legend!
Just a nerd.
@@SladeTakalaLamey nerd of legendary status!
Brilliant 👏
Awesome!!!
Hey there!
I went ahead and built one for myself. It works pretty well with an 8l drybag, however the screws rattle quite a bit in the rivet nuts. How is that on your side? I'm thinking about cutting some aluminum tubing to size and tighten the rods onto those to mitigate it.
I filled the bolts with enough red locktight that they are solid for me. Please can you send me a picture, you are the first to get back with a complete build, so congrats.
@@SladeTakalaLamey Now that the loctite dried, mine is stable too. I will send you some photos soon ;)
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I would like to recreate this on my Scott addict. It has rear fender mounting holes and threads, but I am scared that they will not hold the weight of the pack. Has anyone have experience or advice on how to to this best?
Even the big heavy duty pannier racks are only screwed into those mounting holes, they are stronger than you think. I would suggest getting some steel or Ti bolts though. You are strong enough to break an aluminium M5 bolt just by screwing it in too light.
Could this be adapted to hang panniers?
I don't see why not. I'd maybe add a triangle in the sides.
Squirt some thinner on tissue and just wipe the excess epoxy off.
...and make sure you change wiping spots on the tissue otherwise you'll smear the previous thinner-epoxy mixture back on to the surface.
Doesn't that delaminate the carbon? Isn't it held together with the same stuff?
its a nice idea..but its not going to take a heavy load
@@piratepete1475 I try to pack as light possible. What are you carrying?
@@SladeTakalaLamey i have 2 rear panniers about 8 kg in each
@@piratepete1475 I tried it stationary with 22kg, I am looking for feedback from people who have attempted it. I've got lots of pictures from the people who have made their own. If you are right, I await the hate mail.
Is anyone else having trouble downloading the plans? I cannot download them.
Send me an email sir!
Genius
What bank account do I pay and where do I sent my delivery address 😃?
The whole point is that you can make it yourself now! 😁
It's one of the inexplicable mysteries in cycling that no one makes carbon racks, except for the very expensive tailfin, and there only for the rear.
Or fenders-mudguards, which would be even easier. Drives me nuts that the stays provided with even the expensive floppy plastic fenders are the same old thick pot-metal stays in use for half a century, that dont like to bend, but oh do they love to flail around... Even cold cured carbon would be better than floppy plastic....
This all started because I saw they make a very similar product for Bromptons, and I realised it would not be a stretch to upscale it for grown ups!
@@SladeTakalaLamey awesome…. have been thinking for years about giving it a go…. your video may have finally motivated me to maybe do something, maybe…. :) it would be a great little business…. I think the tailfin guy started in his own garage….
What length M6 eye bolts did you use?
I used 80mm (to clear the frame at the bottom) and 25mm everywhere else (but I should have used 30mm).
Silca would charge $500 for the rack and $200 for the bags smh
you amazing mf, this is what real communism looks like
Oh no all that work and you put wood inside it?
amazing work.
Love the lack of "proper" engineering. it will work. or it wont.
It probably will :)