Cicero and the Secrets of Persuasive Oratory

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  • Опубликовано: 8 янв 2025

Комментарии • 131

  • @MyRealName148
    @MyRealName148 5 лет назад +96

    He’s so persuasive, I didnt have to hear a thing he said, but I’m sold...

  • @ozag2
    @ozag2 8 лет назад +38

    A wonderfully clear, entertaining and illuminative presentation to Cicero"s strategies of persuasive and successful oration. Bravo!!!

  • @inifin8
    @inifin8 5 лет назад +248

    Another, very important point in oratory : volume and audio system both of which is missing in this piece 😂

    • @badtexasbill5261
      @badtexasbill5261 4 года назад +2

      Zing!

    • @oldpublickcoffeeroasters8975
      @oldpublickcoffeeroasters8975 3 года назад +15

      Did you watch longer than 30 seconds? I had no trouble hearing him.

    • @1oxyoke
      @1oxyoke 3 года назад +6

      @@oldpublickcoffeeroasters8975 You are delusional for disputing something that is without question. The sound was horrible.

    • @artemt1987ify
      @artemt1987ify 3 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @pillbilly8761
      @pillbilly8761 2 года назад +3

      @@1oxyoke your hearing is horrible

  • @pauls7056
    @pauls7056 2 года назад +2

    I've seen this video so many times and every time I watch it I learn something new. Dr Aldrete is a born communicator and effortlessly leads the audience through this fascinating topic. Thank you for posting, Emory University.

  • @grahammiddleton74
    @grahammiddleton74 5 лет назад +31

    The volume needs boosting on the audio

  • @ABC_DEF
    @ABC_DEF 3 года назад +6

    4:24. "He even collected the letters that he wrote to other people, family and friends, and assembled these into books and published those." This is a really bad mistake. Cicero's letters were assembled into books and published only after his death. The letters to Atticus were not published until 100 years later.

  • @johnnycasteel7
    @johnnycasteel7 3 месяца назад +1

    One of my favorite professors of history and also explains it very well with nice insight.

  • @seabrain1212
    @seabrain1212 3 года назад +10

    Ironic that we are gifted with such an insightful lecture that we are rendered unable to hear. I feel the pain of every scribe who could not read the handwriting of a source needed for the publication of a paper which, should the source have been decipherable, been worthy of study for centuries.

    • @LeonardWaks
      @LeonardWaks 2 года назад +2

      I used an app to turn up the volume. No problem.

    • @him4440
      @him4440 2 месяца назад

      @@LeonardWakshow was it?

  • @Richard.HistoryLit
    @Richard.HistoryLit 3 месяца назад

    I have no idea yet, how much of this is accurate but it is very very interesting and meaningful ! I am appreciating it.

  • @wabdatl
    @wabdatl 4 месяца назад +2

    The volume gets louder this speech is worth listening to if you want to understand Cicero and his ideas of persuasion

  • @fraternitas5117
    @fraternitas5117 4 года назад +29

    the speaker needs to show more chest hair, just to prove his point.

    • @hoodiehat7126
      @hoodiehat7126 3 года назад +3

      Nah that black goatee with the reverse fade iced his points.

    • @ttacking_you
      @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад +2

      He seems to be precluding the crucial gold medallion adornment?

  • @susanmcdonald6879
    @susanmcdonald6879 8 лет назад +10

    thank you Dr. Aldrete, I have your Great Course, "History of the Ancient World: A Global Perspective", we need History more than ever : we tend to think that with our technological & informational skills & access, that we are somehow smarter than the ancients..... don't think so...

  • @BlackBitsBananas
    @BlackBitsBananas 4 года назад +3

    Man I feel bad for people with a bad speaker. Excellent lecture, I guess I cannot expect you to to be good at everything. Just hook up some speakers it’s worth listening to.

  • @matchedimpedance
    @matchedimpedance 7 лет назад +9

    Great lecture. Thank you. I wonder, did Cicero ever write anything in which he addressed the question of whether it is ethical to use false statements for rhetorical purposes? Did he ever defend that the ends were justified by those means?

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 6 лет назад +1

      Its called "Realism".

    • @volimNestea
      @volimNestea 6 лет назад +3

      Don't know if he actually did, but I think he would have justified it as ethical because what he hoped to accomplish with it was supposedly a just cause, like his favorite "saving the republic". Though, coming from him, I wouldn't buy it for a second. We're talking about the guy who falsely accused someone of a conspiracy and had them executed without trial just so he could brag for the rest of his life about how he "saved the republic".

    • @shaunkerr8721
      @shaunkerr8721 2 года назад +1

      I know that he regularly appealed to Pathos to win court cases, esp. nationalism instead of leaning on Logos.

  • @jceepoker3256
    @jceepoker3256 2 месяца назад

    That Universal gesture means something different in Latin America, more specifically Colombia. They have a very detailed and unique set of gestures. Wagging your eyebrow up like this would not mean recognition, but instead interest, intrigue, surprise and maybe even “wow look at that!"

  • @kangakid5984
    @kangakid5984 6 лет назад +3

    That was brilliant. Truth is what can be argued for some but does this reflect virtue ? Imagine if Cicero and Machiavelli got together.
    Wow, it is possible to identify these strategies with our politicians. This is mind blowing. Thank you so much I really enjoy listening to your presentations.

  • @tehufn
    @tehufn 7 месяцев назад +1

    This is very strange and very different than what I read in his texts and studied in my time... Cicero famously wrote on ethics, and how it was important to rhetoric. Quintilian, who praised Ciceronian style in rhetoric, famously defined rhetoric as "a good person speaking well." The "good person" part means he claimed that the rhetoric by definition was concerned with ethics. In that light, this is a fascinating speech for me.
    I wonder, now, about the actual history of his speeches and how they contrast with his writing.

    • @Account.for.Comment
      @Account.for.Comment Месяц назад

      I don't study Cicero but I admire the man, however, "desparate time calls desparate actions". Cicero may held these ethics in his heart, but his career advancement and his survival relied a lot on his ad hominem. The ethics in his speech is I believed, he said what he believed is correct or at least essential in his survival.

  • @babyforestwhitaker7114
    @babyforestwhitaker7114 8 месяцев назад +3

    So Cicero basically invented all the logical fallacies that get used in politics today

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 2 месяца назад +1

      No he didn’t invent them he just utilized them. Fallacies will always exist and you will fall for them over and over again because you are human and not a logic robot

  • @caffeineandphilosophy
    @caffeineandphilosophy 8 лет назад +2

    And on the skill of defamation, the presenter demonstrates a final point, in addition to insinuation and guilt by association, which Cicero himself was not credited with: understatement. Well played.

  • @victoriacrain7146
    @victoriacrain7146 3 года назад +2

    This was fabulous. Thank you. Studying Cicero with my kids.

  • @speedlink910
    @speedlink910 8 лет назад +12

    wow this amazing and very well put together. Everything necessary and totally hitting the spot. thank you very much !

    • @ryanmay3022
      @ryanmay3022 7 лет назад +1

      dude, sound sucks on this video

    • @carlmarl6531
      @carlmarl6531 3 года назад

      @@ryanmay3022 No it doesn't.

  • @mutinyonthekitkat
    @mutinyonthekitkat 8 лет назад +6

    34:10 I saw Obi Wan Kenobi use this very technique in the first Star Wars film.

    • @Michaelatkins15
      @Michaelatkins15 5 лет назад +1

      mutinyonthekitkat such an underrated comment; you made me laugh for a sec lol.

  • @NeverStopTRK
    @NeverStopTRK 3 месяца назад

    Trump was taking notes. Also for the ones who can't hear..
    Ever heard of turning on closed captions?

  • @pieinthesky4106
    @pieinthesky4106 14 дней назад

    Excellent presentation.

  • @nivagcomicsreviews7074
    @nivagcomicsreviews7074 3 года назад +1

    The Robert Harris Cicero books were great

  • @trojanthedog
    @trojanthedog 2 года назад +1

    All that will remain of us is what is written down.

  • @ttacking_you
    @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

    The "resolution" to the dialectic he outlined at the end is a matter of basic taxonomy. One merely has to extrapolate into further strata of existence. Thus, _ontologically_ the superordination of ethics over results is essential. But _Teleologically_ the results _speak for themselves_

    • @ttacking_you
      @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

      I incorporated that bromide to provide my exposition of conceit with a healthy apportionment of jocularity so as not to appear to be pedantic.🧐

    • @ttacking_you
      @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

      And preemptively stifle any corollary accusations of overly grandiloquent logorrhea

    • @ttacking_you
      @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

      Not quite "provide my exposition" but substantiate pre existing perceived jocular subtext, rather

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 2 месяца назад

      Ah yes very basic I concur indubitably a child could have figured this out good chap!!

    • @ttacking_you
      @ttacking_you 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Black_pearl_adrift Yeah, I was on meth when I wrote this crap. I'm not even gonna see if it makes any sense!? 😕

  • @BlueBaron3339
    @BlueBaron3339 4 года назад +2

    Pity about the audio. Greg's lecture is much better viewed on The Great Courses Plus. Problem there is their parser. You can use the word, phallus, in a review but clitoris is flagged as profanity 😅 😂 🤣 Greg, however, is simply outstanding!

  • @myvibe3893
    @myvibe3893 2 года назад +4

    Cicero was a Professional Academic Elitist Bureaucrat who’s skills included making bad decisions, and giving magnificently delivered speeches. Despite being a Lawyer, he had little ethics and was morally incompetent. These characteristics more than likely sealed his fate . He created “Today’s Group Think”. He never admitted fault. He believed he was exempt from serious repercussions, but in Cicero’s case, Death by Assassination, was his fate. Thanks for your talk Emory University.

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 2 месяца назад

      Proof that being a good orator only gets you so far.

  • @pasquino0733
    @pasquino0733 5 лет назад +2

    Volumes too quiet on this

  • @kerebaka
    @kerebaka 2 года назад +1

    If the gloves don’t fit, you must acquit!

  • @karenhodges7545
    @karenhodges7545 3 года назад

    That was fun and informative. Thanks

  • @jrb4935
    @jrb4935 Месяц назад

    Why do they put these cartoon images on it?

  • @EricTitterud
    @EricTitterud 4 года назад +11

    This is literally trumps playbook

  • @hhhbgg982
    @hhhbgg982 2 года назад

    well to summarize all of this. is to have a charismatic tic sociopath character

  • @chrisgray7320
    @chrisgray7320 7 лет назад +8

    So Cicero was a typical lawyer then, results over truth, but claim to be honourable.

    • @volimNestea
      @volimNestea 6 лет назад +1

      Just like every successful politician ever.

    • @noname_whatsoever
      @noname_whatsoever 5 лет назад +2

      This is completely wrong. You have clearly not read any accounts of his life or his philosophical works.

    • @Whoami691
      @Whoami691 4 года назад +3

      He was an amazing politician and statesman. While the entire roman republic was crumbling he was the only one fighting to hold it together. In the end he was killed for his conviction.

  • @chopsonyou2007
    @chopsonyou2007 6 лет назад +1

    He’s Hopping around like Rodney Dangerfield

  • @sakunamanussa9876
    @sakunamanussa9876 4 года назад

    excellent lecture

  • @Satvik_Biradar
    @Satvik_Biradar 4 года назад

    15:18

  • @planetvegan7843
    @planetvegan7843 3 года назад

    Cant hear.

  • @lukang72
    @lukang72 3 года назад

    Cicero seems like the Al Sharpton of his day.

  • @henriomoeje8741
    @henriomoeje8741 2 года назад

    Hitler must have studied the classics. Very demonstrative when speaking, whipping this Nazis into a frenzy.

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 2 месяца назад

      This is described in William L Shrier’ “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” Hitler studied a lot of history and was something of a history buff. But he wasn’t interested in the actual facts but on the lessons of the past.

  • @FERNANDOPENAS
    @FERNANDOPENAS 8 лет назад +15

    Cadeline was probably... what the f... this dude is lying..

  • @michaelhebert7338
    @michaelhebert7338 8 лет назад +3

    Well done thanks for sharing

  • @DissentOrConcur
    @DissentOrConcur 2 года назад

    I CANT HEAR YOU

  • @Ourdirtytwo
    @Ourdirtytwo Год назад

    no audio

  • @frankm3214
    @frankm3214 6 лет назад +3

    This is the level of scholarship we've sunk to. Does everyone have to grind their axe?

  • @aaronvaunts41
    @aaronvaunts41 3 года назад

    Mild surprise a reaction to gasping :O you’re closing the mouth

  • @Oscuros
    @Oscuros 3 года назад

    "Humanistic Studies", because humanities is tough to spell for Americans.
    You guys can never call a spade a spade, can you. You always have to call it something different, like a shovel instead, even though a shovel is for picking up cinders from the ground, not for digging holes like a spade, and anyway, you call it calling a cigar a cigar there for no reason.

  • @shaunkerr8721
    @shaunkerr8721 2 года назад +1

    Cicero's idea of appealing to Pathos is what is missing in bridging the gap of climate change deniers and the anti vaxx crowd. We are appealing to Logos for the mob too much these days. We need a classical Greek Sophist style communication to win the masses over.

  • @oasissands8584
    @oasissands8584 4 года назад +5

    Sleepy Joe Biden

  • @badtexasbill5261
    @badtexasbill5261 4 года назад +1

    I need you to fix your collar.

  • @fourtoes412
    @fourtoes412 3 года назад

    The irony of this video - barely audible!

  •  6 лет назад +2

    The Roman Republic died due to a cancer called 'Oligarchy'.
    Today we would call it corporatism.

  • @TurnerEarl-e3i
    @TurnerEarl-e3i 4 месяца назад

    White Ruth Gonzalez Mark Smith Ronald

  • @ttacking_you
    @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

    Cicero sounds like a a more cynical and mendacious version of Demosthenes. Chronologically, how far apart were they? Because that would have bewn a debate for the ages

  • @EmmieAfra-y5l
    @EmmieAfra-y5l 3 месяца назад

    Robinson George Hall Amy Taylor Matthew

  • @tanyapapoutsakis5213
    @tanyapapoutsakis5213 5 лет назад +1

    To Gregory Jones. Hi Greg, it is pronounced Chichero, like ch for chocolate both times, the first Ci and second ci.
    The best thing to pronounce something right, ask a person who speaks the language, as in Italian as is the case.
    I wish ALL young persons ask, especially where foreign language pronunciation is concerned. Regards Tanya.

    • @atticus3532
      @atticus3532 4 года назад

      We say the same thing about 'Aluminum' but it's an endless complaint

    • @badtexasbill5261
      @badtexasbill5261 4 года назад +2

      We can't possibly go through every word that has been anglicized and trace it back to demand the original pronunciation. As you know, the evolution of language has many stops along the way which are legitimate for the time and place. Cicero as "kickero" is one example. Cheers!

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 2 месяца назад

      This is not how it is pronounced in America or Canada he is correct for his context

  • @HelenBrown-s1j
    @HelenBrown-s1j 3 месяца назад

    Smith Eric Thomas Barbara Brown Angela

  • @SammyCee23
    @SammyCee23 7 лет назад +1

    I didn't know many believed Cicero was the greatest orator of the all time...

  • @manishaweeraddana5452
    @manishaweeraddana5452 6 лет назад +1

    Perfection !

  • @wdgz56
    @wdgz56 3 года назад

    Someone needs a pink slip

  • @peterenestrom
    @peterenestrom 4 года назад +2

    Very relevant in the Trump era

  • @EquipteHarry
    @EquipteHarry 3 месяца назад

    Williams Robert White Sandra White Brenda

  • @Wittgenstein.
    @Wittgenstein. 3 месяца назад

    All I hear is conversion on aristotelian rhetoric composed of ethos pathos and logos.

  • @isabellavernes9116
    @isabellavernes9116 3 года назад

    Oh no. Plump Trump must be a descendent.

  • @ttacking_you
    @ttacking_you 8 месяцев назад

    Well, I've alway preferred Demosthenes imperatives.

  • @DrE2555
    @DrE2555 7 лет назад +10

    This has Trump written all over

    • @gasjuice390
      @gasjuice390 7 лет назад

      Hello Eduardo

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 6 лет назад

      To make our system immune to Cicero's emotional populism local governments may be voted on, but governors are selected in a merotratic way (who has the best results), and then the president is the best governor. This is sort of what China is doing, but we need to do in a way that is less top-down.

    • @tiarnan76
      @tiarnan76 6 лет назад +6

      as opposed to when Barack Hussein Obama used to shed crocodile tears after shootings? Dickhead...

    • @jbweld6193
      @jbweld6193 6 лет назад +5

      @@tiarnan76 ding ding ding!! Winner! That is exactly what the charlatan Obama did.

    • @pandaprrr995
      @pandaprrr995 6 лет назад

      Yes exactly

  • @SoCalLoanMatchmaker
    @SoCalLoanMatchmaker 7 лет назад +1

    Great insights! Thank you Sir. But I was distracted by the gestures that seemed random, the bouncing head and the open shirt with the hair on the torso showing.

  • @John-Adams
    @John-Adams 6 лет назад +1

    He looks like Penn Gilette with AIDs

  • @ykim2337
    @ykim2337 2 года назад

    Check out my episode 'Rhetoric & Snake Charmers ' YKim