The Mandalorian Has A Problem With The Helmet Rule.
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- So... are the Children of the Watch a cult of shut-ins or not?
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it's funny how in the book of boba fett the armorer tells Din that he's not longer a mandalorian because he broke their tradition but he had the darksaber so the armorer also broke their tradition by not following their leader
I think if he pushed the darksaber point, she probably would've accepted it, but I also think that's also not really in his character. He broke a rule of a tradition that's incredibly important to him, so he also personally feels he needs to atone by way of that same tradition, and not just breaking those traditions further by assuming and using a rulership position he has no desire for. That's just how it reads to me anyway.
Mark my words, Grogu's first words are going to be a cult mantra (this is the way) and it will be treated as a cheerful moment instead of a somber one.
* shudders *
Y'all gotta let go of your hangups with supposed "cults"
@@cbankla Make me.
I know I already made a comment about this but like... WHY are the Children of the Watch a "cult" and not a normal religious group? Because they hide parts of their body in public? Because they repeat certain cultural mantras of holy significance? There's lots of real legitimate religions that do both of those things. You don't see people calling "may the Force be with you" a cult mantra, for example. The Jedi indoctrinate kids into their order, too! If it's just because they don't accept other Mandalorians, that conflict is resolved in Season 3. I genuinely don't understand what I'm supposed to be seeing here.
@@holylolydiver Are you new to the internet? People have been calling the Jedi a cult too for a good while.
I can't help but feel that a major reason for this shift in how the helmet rule was portrayed is because it became iconic in the fandom. A lot of the audience didn't get what the first two seasons were saying and unironically thought that always wearing a helmet was super cool without understanding the in-universe issues with that. Rather than challenge that part of the audience, Disney chose to pander to them for the sake of profit., even if it got in the way of previously-established themes.
im pretty sure they say in the episode that the terminal is scanning you to check if you are wanted by the empire, not that you are imperial, which is definitely a convenient excuse to take off his helmet, but thats why the others say they cant go in in the first place, because their faces are known, while his isnt
I have a feeling that season 3's decision to not have Din remove his helmet is because of 2 things:
First off, it's possible that Pedro Pascal was just not available. He was working on The Last of Us, and could only provide voiceover.
Second, I have a feeling that Din knows that his Creed is flawed, but still believes in the genuinely good values it espouses. For while the Children of the Watch are a fundamentalist group, they are the people who saved his life as a child, and do possess moral values. I mean, look at Paz Vizsla and his son Ragnar.
I feel like for the movie, we will see a time jump, and Din will be able to finally more easily accept removing his helmet. He seems to be committed to his second duty, after all: Being a father.
the first reason is very plausible
He does say, "Without the creed, what are we?".
Its obviously because Pedro Pascal pretty much only is the voice actor of Mando and they have to write around this.
as far as I knew he wore the suit and all just didn't do stunts
I felt the whiplash of the move in S3 to get Din back in the Children's good graces and keep his helmet on, but I didn't fully understand why. The explanation of how the story set up his helmet as a barrier to overcome makes it all make sense; the show really was preparing me to want him to walk away. I grew up in a culty fundie religious context myself, so I thought it was possibly my own bias in wanting to see him reject all that. (Much as I see the Jedi's emphatic denial of attachments.) It's also probably inevitable coming and going, because the way to make a cultural taboo interesting is to make it a source of conflict, which is why Mando has to wrestle with it in the first place.
Of course, the return to the status quo in the technically-Book-of-Boba-Fett episodes was weirdly compressed regardless even aside from helmet issues. One detail I felt made little sense is that Din has no intention to try to go get Grogu back at the time Peli replaced the droid port in the N-1 with a Grogu seat, and doesn't until after Grogu has already come to Tatooine by other means. Then in Din and Grogu's first mission out with the N-1 in S3, they have to return to Peli first to have the droid port back in. So the Grogu bubble could have been shown for the first time when Din and Grogu leave Tatooine together at the end of BoBF, or even a few episodes into S3 after the trip to Mandalore, but instead it shows up in episode 5 of BoBF as this looming presence of the inevitable return to status quo by the end of the season.
Thank you for the comment! I agree!
I'm so glad that you understand the choice that Grogu made! He will live for a very long time, and can return to the Jedi or not, as he chooses once his father dies.
- I think the showing of different religious factions coexisting is important. I understand that you want Din to be the one to "walk both worlds" and when he fell into the deep pool in the living waters, Din didn't see the Mythosaur. Bo-Katan did. In the first season, the armorer said that the return of the mythosaur would herald a new time for the Mandalorians, and we are minded of this when she tells Bo_Katan to take off her helmet - I see this as a well developed point.
- I think the issue of Grogu never getting to see his father's face again can be worked out For example, I see Ezra Bridger coming to visit Bo-Katan to report on the fate of Sabine Wren. Like Ashoka, he would be able to feel Grogu's thoughts (which I imagine would include disgust at everyone recognizing Yoda in Grugu, which would make Ezra laugh a lot), and he could address the armorer on this issue on behalf of Din Grogu.
- While I really like the faceless person - autism makes me uncomfortable with a lot of verbal and face oriented social cues - the problem that I really have is not story based, but the fact that the man who is really behind the mask is not getting the credit he should be - being an actor is really hard, and this double is doing the non-verbal acting so very well that I want him to get more recognition.
Thank you so much for sharing your POV!
Great video. You're the only "canon" channel, I actually enjoy watching. Unfortunately, you're spot on. This approach is why since TFA, I can't invest in any new star wars material. I just have this crawling feeling that just like with superhero comics, as long as a character proves popular and profitable, they will never be allowed a conclusion or a change that would reduce their appeal. Just like how sequels rushed to return to old power dynamic of rebels vs empire.
I'd also add that although the helmet decision was likely based what you said, there is an interesting convergence here with mandalorian (culture, not show) fandom which from my experience, has a more than unhealthy obsession with armor, equipment etc and at least some of these people that I know, reacted positively to going back to helmet stays on approach.
Definitely true on Mando culture!! Your comments about content post-TFA is actually one of the reasons I like the sequels, funny enough lol. I think The Rise of Skywalker offered a pretty interesting ending and change to the status quo, especially with Ben’s death and Rey’s decision to be a Skywalker. I think Rebels has also had a pretty solid ending, but Ahsoka has rescinded a little bit of that. I guess pretty much the only way we get firm endings anymore is with character deaths, and unfortunately with multiverse storytelling for superhero stuff that’s not even the end anymore. Here’s hoping Star Wars can realize the power of good endings!
I think we have to remember that Din showing Grogu his face wasn't the point where he becomes an "apostate", the people he really took his helmet off for first were Imperials. I feel like people really overplay the "cult" thing. He seems totally capable of showing love and support to his son without showing his face, I mean just look at Paz Vizsla and his son! Like, the whole point of Season 3 was the Children of the Watch learning to recognize other Mandalorians as valid. Why can't we as an audience give the same grace to the Children? They don't wanna take their helmets off, that's fine. That's their religion. It's when you start to impose that on others that becomes a problem. They shouldn't do that, and neither should we.
That’s fine in a vacuum. But as Central explained the show really presented the helmet as an obstacle for Din to overcome, and the ideals of the Watch to be dehumanizing and constricting. The whole Bill Burr episode in S2 is all about that, drawing a parallel with his experience during the Empire, and the Ahsoka episode drawing a parallel with the Jedi forbidding attachment. So it feels very jarring for BoBF and Mando S3 to go back on all S1 & 2 established. There’s so much that could have been done with these themes, as you say, but they’re all done very clumsily and don’t come across at all.
@@kaankaraca2001I don’t think it was presented as an obstacle to /overcome/. I think it was presented as important to Djinn but becoming not as important as his son. Like idk a devout catholic having to eat meat on a Friday in order to save their child.
How dare you question his religious beliefs?! You've got really good points, mando s3 felt to me like they were trying to pivot "the mandalorian" to "a mandalorian" in Bo Katan. Who can be sure what they were thinking.
The mandalorians relation with the helmet could have even been used as a mirror for the Jedi and their attachment. With how Luke gives Grogu the CHOICE of going back to his loved ones or train as a Jedi. Luke figured out how to subvert jedi teachings in a healthy way. And there was so much potential to connect that to the Mandos removing their helmet 😔😔
3:24 I do like how the Clone Wars often subverted these stereotypes
I’m so glad I found this channel.
Thanks so much for saying that :)
great video, man! gonna share this with a bunch of my star wars buddies and see what they think.
Thank you so much!!!
Agreed, this is just another example which shows that the writer has reached some kind of dead end with the end of season 2. I wish wouldn't have reset the whole show in a spin-off show by bringing Din and Grogu back together in the Book of Boba Fett.
I would have loved it when we would have gotten a normal season of the Mandalorian whithout Grogu and with Boba as a buddy and mentor to Din. This could have worked much better. First it wouldn't have nullified the end of season 2. Second it could have been a really good opportunity to further develop Dins charakter by using Boba as a mirror and a teacher since Boba is the most Mandalorian someone ever could be and he just doesn't care. (I really love how the Mandalorian season 2 solved the issue of Boba being a Mandalorian or not because I never liked the idea of Boba being a Mandalorian like he was in Legends. On the other hand I also really disliked Geoge Lucas's approach that Django is just a very skilled non-mandalorian who somehow managed to get a full set of Mandalorian armour. So I love the compromise that Django is a Mandalorian through and through and Boba just not identifing himself as one.) So Boba could teach Din that there is more than the one way and that Din should choose his own way and not getting it dictadet by others.
But I also don't want to bee too negative aboute the third season because I actually like it more than most Mandalorian fans.
Again great Video 🤩
Thank you very much!!!
Some (mainly Overlord DVD) report rumors from the inside of Disney that Kathleen Kennedy peronally pushed to reuinite Din and Grogu to the story's detriment for the sake of merch. Some rumors go so far as to say that she did it specifically because she hates John Favreau (for whatever reason).
I don't know how true these rumors are, but regardless of motive, if the story was digressed for march alone, it was a stupid decision. With the return of Luke Skywalker, Disney could've easily sold toys with Luke and Grogu and made a series or a movie about them.
lol isn’t that Doomcock?
I have come to report that this video is indeed another banger! Mr Star Wars Centralized has done it yet again! Thank you for this!
Thank you so much Joe!
Hey! Can I just say thank you for all the videos you make. You post the most thought provoking Star Wars videos on youtube. Keep it up!
Thank you so much!!! This means so much
As someone who had recently left a cult when Season 3 came out, seeing Din re-embrace the cult and even inducting Grogu into it made me sad.
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The Mandalorian Season 3 was actually the first time I came out of a Star Wars thing going "...this actually sucked" (yes, even Rise of Skywalker, don't @ me, I have a high tolerance with SW, also no the Holiday Special doesn't count :v). The fact that they fumbled the basic themes here as you describe is just so baffling and really does seem like they decided to screw the story over for marketability.
Like firstly... yeah, it's not inherently bad to wanna keep your helmet on, sure. But like, the issue is that it's a RULE that can't be broken. You can follow the tradition, but to say you're not a Mandalorian cuz you took off your helmet is just rigid. As you explained, the arc I saw WAS Din learning to be less rigid with the beliefs he was raised in. He was sheltered and never saw much of the outside world (some of which is understandable given the circumstances of the Galaxy but still), I was holding out hope in S3 that there was going to be some kind of subversion and Din's quest to be redeemed would be in vain... but nope, it's played completely straight. There's an easy compromise too - you can keep the helmet on most of the time if that's part of the creed, but if it's necessary, then it's okay to remove it (I mean, imagine if they tried to eat together for once lol).
The whole different Mandalorian sects coming together thing was a good idea in theory... it's just they never explored in-depth how it happened. It's all very surface level, so when we see Nite Owl types with Watch types it doesn't feel earned despite it supposed to be being a good message of accepting differences and what unites us is more important than what divides us. Like, we see people like Axe Woves talk about blood purity and look down on foundlings as a result, and suddenly he adopts Ragnar? Even if you wanna focus on more than the Children of the Watch, it's just super rushed and not earned or thought out at all.
It really wasn’t that bad though, it had some good episodes in it but the overall story juts felt fumbled but I would’ve mostly enjoyed the season if they didn’t screw up the ending
Honestly the real message of Mandalorian is religious factionalism being ridiculous and destructive. Din's helmet rule winds up so inhibiting he is forced to break it and then pretend he didn't. Bo's obsession with Mandalore has led to nothing but death and defeat. Ironically Boba has the right idea about choosing his own path rather than adhering to things that hurt them. The Jedi get their power from their faith, and even then dogma causes mistakes. For the Mandalorians, these cults are the reason they're nearly extinct, and none of them want to admit that.
There are things I agree with. Din should be able to take his helmet off with his people. In legends, Mandalorians only spoke Mando'a amongst Mandalorians, so only taking your helmet off with them makes sense.
But I fully, completely, wholly disagree with you in that "helmets are bad and should not be worn." No. You're objectively wrong. Completely, wholly. The man without a face is what built Mandalorians. Boba Fett's helmet is what makes them what they are. Take it away, they're just random people shooting guns. Your argument will lead to the Halo TV show. Master Chief wears his helmet for a whole of five minutes in season 1.
No.
I always figured that the helmet rule they made was more an excuse so Pedro Pascal couldn't take his helmet off constantly. Din Djarin was Jon Favreau's Boba Fett OC both which play off the mysterious stranger character archetype; part of makes them cool is you never see their face and they could be anybody. Pedro especially once Mandalorian became popular wanted to take his helmet off so his face would get the fame of Mando, (they had to changed the infection in the Last of Us LA so Pedro wouldn't have to wear a face covering mask.) However, that would ruin the motif of the character. So, they made so new lore to make sure he couldn't take his helmet off at whim and to stop asking.
Before that, yes most Mandalorians always wore their helmets, but that was more because they were unimportant characters they didn't want to create faces for in Kotor, Swtor, and CW-Rebels. While important characters would take their helmets off. Which made it awkward when Bo-Katan became a main character. A Mandalorian of the ruling family that is closest to being the new Mandalore who almost never wears her helmet outside of combat.
If you want to see a show that didn't have a rule like this, look at Halo LA. The second they let the main star playing Master Chief take his helmet off. He does everything to make sure he never has to wear it again and takes it off as quickly as possible when he has to put it on. Even in combat.
Of course it has problems. As the lore wasn't well thought out and contradictory. As well as once Pedro realized he wasn't going to be allowed to act constantly with his helmet off; he stop caring about the show and move onto other projects that wouldn't cover his face.
"Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back."
I think this dumb "writing choice" was solely made because Pedro stopped being available to come to set
honestly, i like the "idea" behind the creed of the watch. not as "something that should be followed" but the concept of a corruption of the Resol'nare the six actions. The Mantra that defined what a mandalorion was in legends
Ba'jur bal beskar'gam,
Ara'nov, aliit,
Mando'a bal Mand'alor-
An vencuyan mhi.
Education and Armor
Self defense, our Tribe
Mando'a and Mand'alore(our language, and our leader)
all help us survive
being mandalore meant following these actions and teaching it to your children, be their of your own blood, or adopted(which was a thing in legends already), this is how the culture survived despite having no unifying species or anything like that.
the helmet rule (and nearly every rule we see in the show) IS a perversion of one of the six actions, "armor". The original meaning of the six actions didnt call for always being coverd, but the helmet had a special meaning in mandalore culture, as it(and the armor) was the great equalizer. whatever man or women, human, Zabrak, or anything, with your buy'ce, your helmet, you are all equal before each other. There is a reasson why in legends the symbol of the Mand'alore was, at least for a time, the helmet of the Mand'alore and not a weapon.
Weapons are meere tools, but a helmet represents the person itself.
And at the end i undertstand HOW they got so twisted. Beyond the obvious cult part... the helmet is pretty much all they have left.
The tribe(as in mandalorians as a whole) is splinterd, the language seems to be less and less in use, the Mand'alore dosnt exist currently, and self defense alone does not a mandalorian make
so its only education, and armor.. And they take those EXTREMLY serious as we can see. Those are the last remnants of the original Six actions the children of the watch managed to preserve, even if in a twisted fashion.
They are still obviously a cult and wrong in going around it this way, but i get WHERE they are coming from beyond the "its a cult" part
The people that are down here defending Mando season 3 have me wondering if we really watched the same show.
I think you're on the money about Din's potential development being tossed aside due to capitalism, btw. I also wanna add that TBOBF came out around the time Bob Chapek was the CEO of Disney, and he really likes money, so maybe that has something to do with how things turned out, I don't know that for sure, though.
From what it looked like, they really wanted Bo Katan to be the main character alongside the Mandalorian and Grogu, and it just doesn't work. No Katan has always been a side character in all of SW media, and doesn't have a strong enough presence. It would be the equivalent of trying to make Admiral Ackbar the main character or Mon Mothma. Din being the one to unite the people and becoming the Mandalorian would have worked significantly better. Bo Katan being his vassal would have been a better use of her character.
Mon Mothma a main character? Who would do something like that. Certainly not Andor
@@DefaultProphet Dude, Andor is the main character. Mon Mothma is important but she is not the main character.
@@jharmo2 In a book Mon Mothma would have multiple POV chapters apart from the other characters. So would Luthen Rael, Dedra Meero, and Syril Karn. They’re all main characters.
Like if you want to say they’re major characters and Andor is the main that’s fine I guess but your pronouncement about Mon Mothma still doesn’t hold up.
@@DefaultProphet there's a difference between being a major character and the main character. The main characters purpose is to serve as the central point of the plot and also be a driving force. I don't think Mon Mothma would be able to pull that off. She is the leader of the rebellion, but she's never actively involved in battles. The way I see it, she's basically Charlie from Charlie's Angels.
@@jharmo2 Not being directly involved in battles in your line? Thats strange.
Being faceless isn’t a bad thing, it’s central to Din’s connection with his religion. I really don’t think it’s about capitalism, it’s about Din recognizing that he is a part of a very sheltered religion but still identifying with that religion. Deciding to take off the helmet wasn’t about connection with others or an obstacle, it’s about showing devotion to a religion.
I think season 3 was showing that the two sects can coexist. It also shows that Din can love Grogu and be committed to his religion which is the key to his character growth.
Just wanted to say I really liked your video even if I disagreed with certain aspects of it. Good work!
I hate how season 3 and bobf went back on the ending of mandalorian season 2. The ending of season 2 felt like they definitively had din chose love over the cult that had raised him to hide this emotions behind a mask. But then bobf and season 3 just have him go back on that decision just for him to have the best of both world with them accepting him and having grogu back. Having Din mature would have been so much better.
Yes, this... spot on. I always felt The Mandalorian was telling the tale of a man stuck in a cult that prevented him from connecting with anyone or anything beyond the cult itself. He was in a complicated spot, since it was thanks to the cult that he had survived in the first place. But then something happenes that opens the world up for him, yet this new world also demands him to question his dogmatic beliefs. You also highlighted beautifully how all of this is framed by love and intepersonal relations instead of showy spectacle and "coolness". And, of course, I fully agree that it is Disney's catering to the demand by the crowds of "cool Star Wars immagery" (translated into markeatable profitmakers) that ended up killing all the meaning sustaining the soul of the series. The sad thing is that so many wievers were happy to just go with it, to accept the corpse of The Mandalorian, a series gutted of its core meaning and converted into a meandering aimless spectacle for the sake of "coolness".. one were, like you so well pointed out, nothing can ever trully change.
Sometimes I even get a really bad afertaste from the later Mandalorian. I think about people who actually have survived cults ang gotten out and immagine that erasing Djin's progress as a character in relation to the cult must feel like a slap on the face.
16:56 Are you saying Star Wars wasn’t always about selling toys? Oh wait, it ALWAYS has been.
I enjoued mando s3 but it has big problems and was a big step down from seasons 1 and 2. I think your video perfectly highlighted some problems with it.
Lets hope that the primary motivr for not showing Din's face was just Pedro's availability and we can go back to showing his face in impactful moments.
Mandalorian was great for the first two seasons. Unfortunately they didn't let Grogu go, because they realized leaving him with Luke would lead to the logical conclusion that Kylo and the Knights of Ren would murder him. Which was one of the biggest problems with sequel trilogy, it robbed us of a new, diverse Jedi Order dealing with different problems from the old Jedi order. Instead it just repeated the same story beats, and crippled every attempt at progress between VI and VII.
Beautiful analysis. I never thought about the helmet as character development 😅 I just enjoy the shows lol but this makes me like the season 2 ending now.
Truth be told, I never saw the Mandalorian being about Din departing from the Creed. Bo Katan being the one that leads the way makes sense as well, because if you remember; when Din stepped into the waters, he was drowning and became unconscious. While he was under, he did not see the mythical creature that literally makes up the insignia of the Mandalorians, whoever sees this monster is as great as Mandalore the Great and it signifies that that person will unify Mandalore. Bo Katan comes from the Kryze family which ruled Mandalore, although not by the Black Saber, which was old tradition, since Bo Katan's sister was all about the future where violence was not permitted. She was a hardcore pacifist, now I understand not many might know this.
I take it that only hardcore Star Wars fans would know but Bo Katan's dying wish was always to unify Mandalore. Whereas Din and the rest just lived off world in peace, not really interested on starting again on the planet of Mandalore, because no one even went there to see if it was habitable. Until Din went, of course. But truth be told, I am glad it was not Din who unified everyone.
It is not in his character, he is your lone wolf and I like him that way. Bo Katan being the one that walks both ways and uniting everyone is far more fulfilling, if you know her backstory and what she is all about. True she is not an angel but she redeems herself in the end.
Now I do agree that perhaps Din should have removed his helmet at the end, when no one was looking. Questions like that is not really answered, like how do families even partake in day-to-day activities. Eating, sleeping, making love? Does the helmet stay on, lol?
I feel like they should make it a rule that you are only allowed to show your face to loved ones, this way it could have worked a lot better for Din in the long run.
Here's my two cents:
*1) Mando wanted to return to the Children of the Watch, even knowing of their creed, after being excommunicated because they saved him from being killed by Separatist battle droids and became his new family after his orgiinal one was killed in the Clone Wars. As a result, being excommunicated from the cult was effectively the equivalent of being disowned and because there's a way to rejoin them and make amends for a lack of a better word he took it. After all, they're his family, they took him in, treat him as one of their own, and give him and their members a sense of community and belonging. No one wants to give that up especially if they're not forced to.
*2) Bo-Katan being the main one who gets all other Mandalorian factions/groups to join the Children of the Watch (CTW) is because up until the convert, she was one of them; an outsider who viewed the CTW as cultic weirdos. She has the most experience and knowledge of non-CTW Mandos and was picked to be the one to unite the Mandalorians to retake Mandalore because of it (also she was planning on retaking it and the CTW were the first to join after the Nevarro-Pirate incident). By contrast Din has limited experience with non-CTW Mandos and isn't exactly ambassador material either.
But that's my two cents.
I really hated that thing where a Mandalorian whom achieved glory was able to sit by the fire while the rest of them fucked off to eat in the cold by themselves. What the shit is that? Aren't they supposed to be a tight-knit group? But they wall themselves off as much as possible all the time even among their own. If the helmet thing was about not being viewable by non-Mandalorians I could kinda get it, but it was set up in the dumbest way.
This is video is exactly how to do constructive criticism, especially the luke grogu part from Book of Boba Fett. But yeah while I don't hate Season 3 of Mando in fact I do like it the way it is, I do have problems with it like Din Djarin not being the one uniting mandalorians and give the darksaber to Bo-Katan (who failed twice in a leadership position although she is good/cool character so I wasn't that angry that much and I don't her being the main character of this season.) I always thought then what was the point giving Din the darksaber in season 2 in the first place. About the Children of the Watch for some reason I always thought they were going to BE the Bad Guys?
Now I know that our modern usage of the word cult is completely different as how it was used in the ancient world such as in Greece, Rome, or even in Judea the same way that the word dictator is different from our modern day usage? but for some reason I always get the vibe that The Children of the Watch were originally intended to the bad guys for season 3, especially in their appearance in Book of Boba Fett and to a lesser extent the first two seasons of Mando? Along with them banishing Din Djarin for taking off his helmet at front of Grogu? Speaking of which I do agreed with you here I think they should have reunited for the end of Season 3 not Book of Boba Fett,
Like I said i like Season 3 of the Mandalorian the way it is such as the general outline of the story and the retaking of Mandalore If i do want to fix this season problems is adding a little more episodes like 13-15 and maybe making the retaking of Mandalore a lot of more grander like adding more mandalorian clans besides the Watch and Night Owls given this is an important event for the Mandalorians the ending of their exile/disapora period?
There is one practical reason why Din returned to keeping his helmet on: Pedro Pascal was busy. It is that simple. But honestly, I liked the story twist of season 3. Bo Katan who thought the children of the watch as somewhat backwards, finds herself accepted by them when she loses her home. The "cult" she looked down on, takes her in, and shows her acceptance and respect. And after she selflessly saves Paz's son, Paz becomes a supporter of her and Din. And then we see something really great - the armorer shows, that the "cult" can evolve, see the greater picture, and help to unite all Mandalorians. It's a wonderful arc there. And while the united Mandalorians follow different creeds, they keep practicing theirs individually. Meaning, Din doesn't need to denounce his believes, to be part of the wider Mandalorian nation. Of course all viewers who would like to see religion as branded "backwards" and "unnecessary" will be disappointed. I would have liked a "Din as the Mandalore" story arc, but I liked Bo Katans story arc a lot too.
I think the problem is that people are trying too hard to give a concrete idea of how Star Wars should be written - ruclips.net/video/XtArKawnWNI/видео.html
Not a fan of that video. I love the sequels
@@StarWarsCentralized You haven't really said why. Since my comment, though, I have also considered the comments of @michaelkaduck1915, @holylolydiver, and @underconstruction6436, while acknowledging the pitfalls of season 3; Rise of Skywalker was no ray of hope, with everything afterwards production-wise having to connect back to it, but I've felt that Star Wars truly went downhill with Din Djarin taking up nearly HALF OF BOBA FETT'S SHOW - it should be worth noting that Tarr Vizsla was both Mandalorian and Jedi - and season 3's failures to properly utilize the Mythosaur or bathe every Mandalorian in the Living Waters before relighting the forges.
Very interesting video indeed. It causes mixed feelings in me because I totally get where u r coming from, but also I think s3 doesn't contradict s1-2 at all if we look at it from a different angle. The mandalorian helmets to me seem really similar to smth like hijab in islam with how different mandalorians treat the need to wear it. In our world some people (mostly non muslims) r sure that hijab is evil, and while I disagree with such position there r legit places on this planet where women who don't wear it r in danger. And I think the issue with such places isn't that most women there wear it, but that u don't have a choice but to wear it. Still, I know some muslims personally and some of them almost never wear hijab, some of them wear it from time to time and some of them choose to wear it always. And I think what s3 is telling us abt the helmets which can represent any religious tradition (not just hijabs) is that there's no right way to wear them. All of the ways r right ways as long as u get to choose ur way. The development of Din is not erased (imo), because previously he walked the way because he knew no other life, now he does it by choice. And that choice is solitified in mandalorians of different beliefs uniting. Now any new mandalorian child can get a choice. And if Din Djarin ever wants to take his helmet off, he can. He'll just need to bath in the waters. As an all-believer this season deeply connected with me on a personal level because of all that I said. Though I agree that s1-2 were setting up a different path for Din. To me it's similar to what was set up in EpVIII vs what actually happened in EpIX. That being said, I still loved ur video. Probably for the 1st time in my life someone (u) critiqued part of Star Wars that I love and I felt like it actually came from a genuine place and from someone who cares. It's a really nice feeling.
Thank you for the insightful and thoughtful comment!
While I agree that Season 3 fumbles a bit, I do think it focuses more on Grogu's development more than Din. I believe in the future Grogu is going to become the next Tarre Vizsla, and become a Mandalorian Jedi. I also believe there is potential for the mask to come off in the Mandalorian movie. Pedro Pascal is most likely going to be on set and I can't really see him doing that if he didn't get some face time on screen. I hope at least.
I hope he becomes a Jedi Mandalorian, yeah!
@@StarWarsCentralized Yep. Would be a good way to get more butts in seats for a Rey movie.
I feel like the helmet thing wasn’t presented as an obstacle to overcome and move past but as something Djinn cares deeply about spiritually but on his journey he comes to care more about his child. He’s uncomfortable taking his helmet off with IG and later on the Imperial base and would very much rather have not had to do either BUT does so to save his boy. It’s like idk I did a real religion example in another comment but that didn’t feel right so it’d be like a Jedi using the dark side to save their padawan. Do they want to tap into that? No and it marks them as other in the eyes of the Jedi but they do it to save the person they care about.
In the whole of the show his helmet isn’t a detriment to his growing friendships with the cast of side characters, it’s just Djinn’s culture.
Does that make sense?
I think season 3 works with this, but not season 2 in particular
Season 3 was trash. The only canon Star Wars media are the original trilogy and the first 2 seasons of mando, and that’s it
The mando does not have problem with helmets it has a heroe's jorney with helmets which by your discription we are ib the middle of... Like being a RWBY fan i'm used to peolple saying x is ruined because they have 0 pathicne for good TV story telling.
I hate Filoni and Favreau so much, Acolyte and Andor are the only good SW shows
Capitalism is what makes these shows like Star wars even possible for you to enjoy.
Never use something that's a positive in a negative way. It destroys the very soul of the concept.
Capitalism is amazing and pro-life.
You’re generally right, and your profile picture tracks with this opinion- but also modern capitalism when it comes to entertainment values things never ending, hence my point about Din and Grogu having the same dynamic in perpetuity