Street Epistemology: AZ (2) | Muslim Explores Atheism (Outlierism)
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2020
- Street Epistemology Muslim Doubt Questioning God Conformity Normalcy Summary: AZ returns for another chat, where we try to establish his reasons for being around 40 percent confident that there is a higher power. And yes, "outlierism" isn't really a word. Or it is now?
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Recorded: 22 October 2019
Released: 30 January 2020
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Prelude: 00:03
Refreshing: 03:10, 07:46
Challenging: 03:48, 05:37
Consenting: 03:53
Reassurance: 04:10, 08:53, 10:46, 17:15
Skate or Die: 04:42, 08:03, 20:35, 25:42
Confidence Scale: 04:53, 10:04
Pausing: 05:31, 21:37, 24:35
Clarifying: 06:03, 07:09, 10:53, 15:16, 24:04
Repeating: 06:11, 09:15, 23:24
Justification (Why): 06:36, 07:23, 07:57, 08:12, 12:19, 16:22, 23:14
Body Moves: 09:43, 21:30
Closing: 17:59, 24:39
Questions for Me: 18:34
Outro: 25:53
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Timeline for anyone interested:
8/30/2019: Zain (1)
9/18/2019: Zain (2)
10/4/2019: Zain's atheist friend stops by
10/22/2019: My two chats with AZ and brief Zain (3) walk-by
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Skip ahead to a desired point in the talk:
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Prelude: 00:03
Refreshing: 03:10, 07:46
Challenging: 03:48, 05:37
Consenting: 03:53
Reassurance: 04:10, 08:53, 10:46, 17:15
Skate or Die: 04:42, 08:03, 20:35, 25:42
Confidence Scale: 04:53, 10:04
Pausing: 05:31, 21:37, 24:35
Clarifying: 06:03, 07:09, 10:53, 15:16, 24:04
Repeating: 06:11, 09:15, 23:24
Justification (Why): 06:36, 07:23, 07:57, 08:12, 12:19, 16:22, 23:14
Body Moves: 09:43, 21:30
Closing: 17:59, 24:39
Questions for Me: 18:34
Outro: 25:53
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Anthony Magnabosco
Hey Anthony
I felt that you couldn’t fully understand or process his request for feedback.
I think he didn’t ask about if he’s „normal“ - it was much more to learn more about himself from an outside perspective.
He probably doesn’t even know, but in the psychological training to become an airline pilot, that was an important topic: the so called Johari window: www.wikizero.com/en/Johari_window
Probably just intuitively he tried to use you to reduce his blind spot. Which is a very healthy thing to do.
He’s got every tool he needs to come to a sound methods on the quest for truth. It’s really just a matter of time he fully drops his childhood indoctrination.
Looks like learning about the scientific method helped him already a lot to drop to 40%... In his culture (and all religious cultures) he actually IS an outlier. 98% of all people believe in the same god as their parents. Having dropped already to 40% emotionally and far lower intellectually, makes him part of the 2% already.
=> if you meet him another time (or Azim, if you’re reading this yourself), you should praise him for asking for feedback. This is a very healthy thing to do.
Azim - to me you’re in the top 2% of the Bell curve. Good for you!
@@DavidHeggli where did you get that 98% number? Can you cite the source?
Rachel Clark
I think it was Pew Research. Can’t find the 98% at the moment - have to go through my files.
This is the closest I’ve found so far:
www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/generational-cohort/
...that one is interesting too, but focused on mixed religion marriages: www.pewforum.org/2016/10/26/one-in-five-u-s-adults-were-raised-in-interfaith-homes/
Okeee - it’s 2am here in Switzerland 🇨🇭 time to go to sleep..
This is the article I thought I had the number from: www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
Can’t find the number 98% though right now. So take it with a grain of salt...
While change is accelerating (especially Christianity => unaffiliated, it mighstill need some more patience 😄
Regardless of whether his God belief is right or wrong, this guy seems to have a very well grounded and introspective attitude. If only more people could be so honest with ourselves, myself included. I especially like his initial response that he hadn't really thought about whether his belief is true. It also highlights why SE is so important. No time like the present!
I really like this guy. Open minded and honest and willing to admit he may not have great reasons for something.
This guy is bright, it's good that you encountered him. Thanks for your work, Anthony. Seriously considering doing SE myself.
Please do! I think that this is the best way through dogma an indoctrination. It friendly respectful and at time effective.
Go for it!
Hey AZ, as Shakespeare wrote: "To thine own self, be true"
Don't worry that you do not conform to others' ways or beliefs when you don't. Your thought process is going to make you vey successful in life.
Thats because if you look to others, you can't look to yourself. And you find yourself waiting on others to look to. So you stagnate and can't self improve.
I hope one day, sooner than later he finds himself in a more confortable environment. It just seems to me from what he said, that so far many folks he has ha experience wth has caused alot of confusion, and he's not entirely sure what he should believe, or how to feel when he ponders these questions that confronts him. idk if I worded that right, but either way he seems like a great dude, very optimistic. I wish the best for him..
AZ: “Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty.”
― Mark Twain
I think you're more open to uncertainty than perhaps 80% of people
AZ intrigued me because I have been where he is now. He has strong doubts about his god beliefs and yet is surrounded by believers that would never question or at least acknowledge that they have questions or doubts. I think that's why he is wondering why is he different, are they not seeing some of the logical fallacies in their god beliefs.
It took me a long time to realize that I am not really that different, that my doubt in a god was justified while my self doubt, in god, life and self confidence, was not. But it was a long and lonely journey until I found like minded people, whom I call friends now, to recover my self confidence and self worth.
AZ, if you are reading this, please find people and communities that are open to your way of thinking, you are not alone. If you need help in finding people, seek out the secular communities at your university or online. If you need more information, reply here or I'm sure Anthony has excellent information. I wish you the best on your journey, take care! Cheers
Ian P so what was your reason to disbelieve in God?
Exactly what I felt from him when he said that he felt he was different.
@@selaluoposisisiapapunpresi7982 Kalau aku sih karena tidak ada bukti tuhan nyata dan juga karena banyak agama di dunia ini. Dan agama orang punya biasa tergantung di mana mereka lahir nya. Itu udah cukup untuk aku enggak percaya.
Karena sekarang aku tinggal di belanda hidup orang2 di sini beda banget dari pada di indonesia. Mata ku terbuka. Kalu saya tidak pernah keluar dari indonesia mungkin nanti saya jadi muslim.
Saya berpikir2 kenapa ya orang belanda banyak banget yang bukan muslim dan orang indo banyak banget yang muslim?
Habis itu saya nonton atheist experience di youtube untuk cari info dan logical argument. That get to where I am now.
@@Hero4fun77 bro atheist itu ngeclaim bro klo tuhan itu ga ada,,skarang mana bukti lo klo tuhan itu ga ada?
@@Hero4fun77 *Habis itu saya nonton atheist experience di youtube untuk cari info dan logical argument* gw juga sering nonton vidionya atheist mana ada yg logic?
emang di mana logic nya alam semesta ini datang tiba2?
RE: Joe Rogan and SE, it would be so cool if he had you on the show to talk about it. He's already had Boghossian.
AZ and Anthony, great interview. If only I was as open-minded and willing to examine my beliefs at your age, I would have been an atheist 30 years sooner.
Spectre Skeptic - it’s funny because when I was 4 years old my mom used to say that god created everything and then I asked her who created god. I remember she talking to my grandma about it... but only after 30 years that I became atheist... it’s crazy how long I lost believing 🤔 I feel stupid sometimes
@@saumpaulinaaaaaaa me too. 34 yo when the penny finally dropped.
So many wasted years.. 😥
And there you go AZ....you are one of the more interesting talks. :-)
No!
You are not normal.....
You are extraordinary!!
oh anthony you spoil us with videos!
It seems like he feels like an outcast for being skeptical of his beliefs. You can tell he’s not around people who are like that.
I give him a year before he calls himself an atheist
Darko Leskovšek ... I was just thinking that. I was where he sounds to be a year ago. I am now an atheist at age 61.
why call your-self anything?
@@robertjsmith well you kinda need to use different terms (it's like shorthand) if you wanna effectively communicate with other human beings
@@andreadiamond7115 good for you :)
Andrea Diamond I agree. It was so sweet because it seemed all he wanted was someone to tell him his thoughts were fine and he wasn’t an outlier because he had doubts about higher powers. So cool he went to Anthony over this matter 👍
What a fascinating guy!!! You can really *see* him thinking and he seems to have a very unique & inquisitive personality! Loved this conversation.
What a lovely guy! I could feel his discomfort. He’s been brought up in a devout household where Muslim faith and identity is important but has come to realise that the religion is unlikely to be true. This is making him feel somewhat uncertain of his foundations and NEEDS to have more conversations about alternative world views. A humanist or skeptics group may be a really good fit for him as he clearly has a good mind and wants to know what is true and live by that but is still somewhat chained to a faith he no longer has sufficient evidence to believe in.
I’ve met many people in similar positions and this stage is full of anxiety but coming out the other side is so liberating when they just dump the baggage and move forward. There are online ex Muslim groups too which might help. If I was to recommend a book by an ex Muslim you could try the ‘young atheists handbook’ which is an autobiography of someone in similar circumstances.
Another great vid 👍
what a nice conversation!! my favourie (of the ones that i watched) so far.
Michael Steinwender Oh, you’re in for a real treat if you watch more of ‘em!
@@magnabosco210 that much I know already! ty for this amazing and inspiring content
@@michaelsteinwender7837 You should watch the Maritza videos, if you haven't already. 👍
This was a great talk! AZ you have a very bright mind. Try to find yourself a community of thinkers who will recognize your value. Best of luck!
He's AMAZING. Such great follow up questions and requests for clarity!
AZ I can totally relate to you cause i used to be right where you are, you'll get through it and come out the other side sooner or later. Just keep questioning..
I would like you to go on Joe Rogan Anthony...keep up the great work!
AZ, you are fucking amazing! Great job! Your critical thinking skills are on point. This warmed my heart. Thank you also Anthony, you are brilliant.
Sorry for 3 comments! But Again I sense underlying fear in AZ.
Perfectly normal fear for a young person maybe, but the fear of being - or more importantly being perceived as being - different, is a very real fear for so many people.
Honest, intuitive, a young man of reason. Religious people often times stop themselves from digging deeper into further investigation and questions. This guy is not afraid to keep learning even if what he finds lowers his faith in his god. When he stops believing completely, I hope he finds a greater benefit to his life and his family isn't too hard on him. Another reason to doubt religious claims is in hearing about believing parents rejecting their own children due to an honest change in belief. It shows weakness, a lack of faith, immaturity, and a lack of love\compassion as if their own beliefs will be threatened and they don't believe in the power of their own gods to win their kids back into the fold. In the most strict fundamental Muslim countries, the weakness of belief goes even further to threatening people's lives. Now, look at this guy embracing science, knowledge, education, reality....he is a far bette human being.
Anthony, such good conversation!👏💞💓☮️✌️🎃
I hope AZ is doing OK. To me, and I see some others here noticed it too, he actually looks like he might be not in the best place mentally. I could be completely off, but he mentioned quite a few things that would indicate that. I got a little carried away below with some examples. I've been watching some body-language videos lately too so I have potentially biased my view. Of course, just because he's a bit nervous and a deep thinker doesn't mean the worst I know. I feel like he came back so soon because he thought he didn't do well enough on the first one and may have wanted to know the whole second chat how he compared to others, or maybe it was when Confident Zain walked past and AZ lowered his head.
@Anthony Magnabosco, might be worth keeping in mind how vulnerable some young people might be and how they could misconstrue a few challenging SE questions as validation of lack of worth or confirmation of a negative view of themselves. Maybe you should carry a few extra materials with you for some local mental health resources and hotlines and suicide prevention help etc. If you recognize an outsider like AZ, maybe have some examples of some groups like ex-Muslims, atheists, critical thinking, philosophy, SE groups on Reddit/FB etc. Especially for someone who is smart enough to see religion for the madness that it is, likely won't have any family or childhood friends to turn to. You could always ask him to hang back for a sec and turn off the video and be your usual kind and empathetic self and outright ask him or similar people if they are OK. Just a thought.
Some Examples I Thought I Saw:
His first topic to talk about in video one, at 4 mins 14 secs was, "Maybe something along the lines of just how I talk to people and treat people?". The next thing was, "Make me feel self-assured." Just watch the first video again from then but thinking that the references he uses are about himself, like 'Any kind of last hope', 'a really desperate situation', 'If I'm struggling', 'I did something and I'm in a really stressful situation', etc. At 7 mins 35 he said, "Because of a feeling, I guess, a feeling of no hope or something like that.", "Maybe it's hope that people want so they turn to something.......it could be people sometimes."
In this second vid right at the start when Anthony says, "You have resources around you that you might reach out to.", and AZ says, "Yeah. Potentially yeah.' And his first reminder of what they talked about was, "To help de-stress.....or you know, to feel more confident...maybe to do better...however it may be phrased". And at the end of the video things like, "It's weird to think that people are so different than I am, in the way the look at something.....like someone's mad at me for something very small", "It makes me wonder, what are they thinking that certain way?", "You could say it's because XYZ...bad childhood....well, I'm sure there's plenty of people, ahhh, that have had terrible childhoods, but they would not act this way.", "The big question I like always asking is, why.....Specifically to myself... is like, why am I so different?. "That's the question I like to wonder a lot".
Then at 23:37 things like "Are my responses very different from a lot of people?", "Sometimes I feel like I am very different, sometimes I feel like I'm not different at all". Which could be taken as, 'I'm weird and not like everyone and I'm not special at all'.
When Anthony says, "It's great to wonder, isn't it! (like most of us here would agree)
AZ says, "It kind of sucks sometimes." and, "Cause I focus all my time on that"
AZ, if you happen to see this, you are a smart and curious guy who's introspective thoughts and willingness to be challenged are actually quite rare. More people should be like you, not the other way round! Keep blazing your own unique path man!
Great talk! I think it's natural to wonder where you fit in when questioning the beliefs you were raised with. Just the act of questioning them can make you an outlier in some religions.
Seriously I've gotta start doing this.
It's normal for one to feel they are very different from others. This is why many people cling to religion. Religion tells people that they are unique, special and even better than others. In reality, no one is special. But we are valued by our friends and family, if we are lucky enough to have friends and family. Exploring who you are and where you fit into society is a normal part of our human journey. Keep exploring, AZ. You are actually still forming who you are and this will continue to change as you learn and experience life. Never stop questioning!
AZ you’re very honest. Thanks for your interview.
Anthony, you inspire me. This is the future of agnosticism/atheism. Just like you said in part one, I hope this is something we’re people on campuses all over the country start doing this. So many kids glide through their education not learning to examine their own beliefs. Are you planning on coming to so cal soon? If there’s a meet up I’d love to attend.
Mark Russell I might head to Los Angeles sometime this year. You’ll just have to follow my social media to keep up with it. I do think that this is the future of agnosticism/Atheism. I gave a talk at American Atheists a couple years ago now that you might want to check out.
A smart young man with lots of self-reflection. I wish I was like that when I was his age.
AZ is intellectually honest and seems like genuinely good guy. Very interesting interview.
I like the way you think AZ!
Hi Anthony.
Did you ever have interviews that changed your mind about something?
From watching your videos I figure that SE is probably a great way to learn new things and new points of view.
This is one of my faves.
AZ is one of the most honest and we'll rationalized interlocutors I've ever heard.
Okay, here he said his parents were muslim, he still has not taken that identity for himself though, thus I am still not sure about the title of the video.
This guy was very bright and refreshing. I feel like your conversation could have been much more fruitful of you didn't get so bogged down in the quantification of his confidence.
The number on the scale serves as a great introduction to begin a precise talk on this subject, but for people like this guy who is obviously fully equipped to have a highly rational conversation about the existence of God, I feel like it wastes time. This could have left the guy feeling much more confident to go further in this conversation, maybe even influence those around him positively.
This is shown by his desire to continue the conversation afterward with questions to you, you seemed to want to bring it to a close quickly, even mentioning to a passer by that you wanted to talk with them.
Your work is amazing and valuable, I think this guy was just ready for more.
This is a very smart young man!
Something baffles me! Who was the female voice at the end that said "Why did he say he returned?" Had she been witnessing the discussion the whole time?
Dave I was live broadcasting audio of the conversation through an AirPod to the discord server that somebody set up for Street Epistemology. That was a recreation of a question that somebody asked me after they listened to this conversation live.
I love the gal who walked by to snap a picture haha I wonder if she knew what was going on?
That you don't have 1 million subs reinforces my concern for the future of humanity
Hypotheses must be empirically testable. Else they're just conjecture, or proposition if you're trying to be polite.
Rather than a scale of 1-100, please consider a subjective scale of doubtful - certain
This kid has a good head on his shoulders, regardless of his beliefs. Introspective and thoughtful. I wish more people were like this.
What a nice and smart guy!
I feel like he ís different from the average in the fact that he is very open, curious and honest. Towards himself too!!
What's with the drive-by photo at 0:50?
I’d say he was definitely looking at the confidence scale in a different way. While Anthony does explain that pure agnosticism is 0% and absolutely certainty is 100%, AZ seemed to peg the hypothetical agnostic at 50%; maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. 🤔🤷♂️
So that left the devout theists at 100% and the devout atheists at 0%. So I’d say his self assessment of 40% meant his feelings weren’t _strong, but he did tend towards atheism. 🤓👍
0:50 Did she just take a photo of you?
Not to be insulting in any way, but its 'take' not 'took'. Cheers
@@ianp3112 Thanks for the correction. I always make silly mistakes like that. I am working on my grammar. :)
I thought about that as well!
@@sfaunl
You have a wonderful attitude. 👍
@@sfaunl Haha, yeah, I think you're right! :)
dang what a likeable kid. i know that’s irrelevant but couldn’t help but notice. hope he finds his path.
I catch myself doing Pavlovian “skate or die”s now. Not sure what this means.
Link to Anthony's first conversation with AZ because the link in the description is broken: ruclips.net/video/TZWMv-IJ9_E/видео.html
Connor Howington Thank you. I’ll look into that and fix it.
Was really hoping you would ask for a definition of hypothesis. I'd be curious how he was using that word, if he just meant "random guess" or using it more scientifically. And maybe go into the importance of falsification if he was meaning it in a more scientific sense.
The fact that he used hypothesis instead of theory was a good tell that he was highly intelligent, knows the difference AND is aware of the scientific method. I never got the impression that he considered it a random guess! Cheers
Alkshy Good point.
@@ianp3112 Totally agree, he seems like a really smart guy. After going back over the use of "hypothesis" in this video, it was actually Anthony that used the word first (8:53), so I think the word may have taken on a more colloquial meaning. Not doubting that he knows the difference when using the word in a scientific sense, but it seemed like the word was used more informally during this talk. 13:23 seems like an example of AZ using it colloquially when talking about how religion makes people feel throughout human history. But, regardless of how the word would be defined in the context of this conversation, the important part would be the discussion about falsifiability. A good question might be "If the "hypothesis" that people are coming to (that it is god that is giving them comfort) can't be falsified, how meaningful are these hypotheses?" Because he did seem to weigh that pretty heavily in his 40% justification for belief in god (12:55).
anthony im a big fan of your work! i have a question for you. i am not a believer by any means btw. I am changing my lifestyle at the moment adding exercise and cutting out smoking and drinking. For me these things have been a part of my life for a while and to change them i do feel like i am using “faith” in myself and my desires to change. I see in many of your videos this is often a challenging question for folks so i guess my question is would this count as faith or something else in your opinion? id like to be wrong on this one. “faith” makes me skeptical.
Kenny Mattimore Hey there. I’m glad you found the channel. I would recommend pulling up the interview that I did with a podcast called The Counsel of Trent, where we discuss faith in good detail (amongst other things).
thanks ill check it out
Enjoyed your discussion on Marriage on a tightrope podcast. Let us know if and when your coming to SLC again. This process of critical thinking is helpful for any ideas or beliefs. I am a Mormon and believe the things I do believe have given me reasons to believe its beneficial to pray and teach my children faith in God. However, these videos have helped to sharpen my faith in some ways and to burn off the dead wood of my old way of thinking and believing.
Tony I Thanks for your message. I hope you keep watching the videos and asking yourself some of the same questions that come up. Particularly, the questions that came up in my two discussions with the two LDS missionaries.
Have you thought of or have you already done some skype or online discussions? If so, I would like to do it with you and we could do it online.
Tony I Thanks for reaching out. As interesting as that sounds, I have been overwhelmed of late with requests to engage personally with others, and no longer have much time at the moment. In the interim, it might be best if you considered (if you haven’t already) one of the Street Epistemology communities where you can explore your claims (and the claims of others) with people who are interested in the SE approach. I’ll copy and paste some links below for your convenience. I hope you’ll understand, and thank you again for contacting me:
Street Epistemology Discord Server:
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Thanks for the info
An impressive young man
In this video he is 40% confident, in his 3rd video he is 10%
I think he got confused by the scale. It seemed to really bog down the conversation.
Engineer You can never assume that anyone is understanding you.
Aspee? I am getting strong high functioning Aspergers vibes. Worth it for him to look into?
Anthony seems like he was expecting more push back.
Just a short notice: the link to the first talk is broken.
Such a smart young man!
this young man seem clever and open minded. Being different is not a problem. We all are and it's a quality...and one of the beauty and wonder of the world. Only souless robots are the same.
In this case you're different of someone repeating rhetoric and sticking to what it has been told not being able to go further a template of thinking he has been mold. Sometimes being different could make feels lonely but it'll pass once you develop what make you you and you get people who will like you for what you are and not a narrow view of having mirrored minds around. Growing his personality is so much more essential than mimicking and being as other look or think they're.
Difference is being rare not being less.
His parents could be proud, whatever his beliefs or non beliefs will be he's still a free mind. That can take ages for some.
Liking this guy.
This guy was clearly not a typical SE subject. Surprising that Anthony seemed to lump him within the main part of the bell curve. Was Anthony's ego being challenged by him such that Anthony had to put him in his place?
Hey man, another great talk as always. You're doing gods work with this channel (heh). But something with this particular interview bothers me. It really is a minor thing and maybe I am missing something altogether as I'm not the one who's doing the interview face to face. It's just that (watching from the first part to this one), in the beginning of this video (part 2), you never get the robust (what) claim and there is a little bit of misrepresentation of his position from the first one, as the discussion kind of takes a turn to become one about a claim of god's existence without him really taking the conversation there. Maybe this could be misinterpreted as trying to push a worldview with eristic argumentation by someone who is willing to watch your videos with a bias? I know it's a minor thing and maybe I'm wrong altogether. Thanks again for making the videos, cheers.
Chocodrum03 I think I follow what you’re saying. Yes, more time should’ve been spent establishing the specificity of the claim.
@@magnabosco210 thanks for taking the time to respond, cheers from a fellow (amateur, still learning from you) SEer from turkey.
AZ, if you read this, I think you're more switched on than most people. I think your personality is cool and different. You're the sort of guy I'd like to be friends with but I wouldn't see you as a 'popular person'. Very similar to myself.
0:48... She took a photo...😅
I saw Karen too.
In-person seems far more effective than over-the-phone #dialogue #AtheistExperience
I recommend this young man to read Good Sense by Paul Henry Thiery Baron d'Holbach. It may be obtained through Librivox. Good Info. A must read.
Good Sense by baron d' Paul Henri Thiry Holbach
www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7319
Am I normal? Ah, the ol' normal myth. Don't tell an object such as a line, ray, or vector that is perpendicular to a given object there is a normal myth, though -- they likely won't even listen to you. AZ seems like a pretty great guy, I don't think he has anything significant to worry about in the normal department OR in the ministry of silly walks. He's got a good thinker on him. No worries.
A good guy for sure, looking for his way to be a good guy, that's cool !
Privately posted on youtube haha
Thirsty for intellectual stimulation and peer acceptance
Would the school permit you to put up a sign maybe of just your logo? Feels to me that maybe that would make people feel more comfortable to approach you.
Scott L This location is a little funny about solicitation, and something like that might cross the line in their eyes. I’m trying to keep the smallest footprint as possible.
I think he was thinking the scale at 50 was 0. Meaning his 40 expressed his doubts that there was even enough good reasons to think that it was true. He seems like he is just saying I dont know until he researches it more, like most of us do.
I agree, I think he reasoned that there's a 50% chance its true and a 50% chance its not true and the 50 mark represented not having a belief either way, and him putting himself at the 40 was basically him saying he thinks there's reason to think it's not true. That's where the confusion over the scale came from I think.
@@karlbishop8472 Said that much better than me. thanks!
It would be interesting to hear how he thinks his parents would handle him if they knew he was questioning his beliefs .
He, with his open mindedness and enquiring nature, would be an asset to any faith. But sadly, I don't think that any religion, particularly Islam, will tolerate "doubters" of his kind. He is pretty sure that "Gods of the religions" are "human fantasies" and do not exist. Now he only needs to be convinced that other "Gods" ( like "universal conscience" ) do not exist as well !
Haven’t heard of Judaism apparently?
It might be useful to introduce useful comparison on the scales. Like
10 being You believe that gravity is true and real.
blueimpulse Yeah, that’s helpful. I sometimes do that. Sometimes I don’t.
I liked him!
I really like AZ.
Everyone is different. That's why we're all the same.
AZ, if you're reading this, you're not alone in wondering why you feel different and if you actually are different. I certainly feel like a martian most of the time. And it's obvious that I'm a bit weird - just look at my youtube handle. From my perspective, you seem very bright, intellectually honest and open to questioning things. And that is a bit different in my experience but in no way a bad thing.
remember folks noone is perfect
Anthony seems off. This guy seems promising...I found his responses much different. He seemed objective and less defensive than most.
Something struck me while watching this.
How closely related do people think SE could be related to things like 'conversational hypnosis' and even therapies like CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy)
Here's an example of conversational hypnosis. ruclips.net/video/_4desQjPlEs/видео.html
Please know that I'm not in any way saying they are the same, and I know there are major differences, but just focusing on the similarities, it's very interesting the things they have in common. Asking questions about a belief system that isn't serving you well in your life.
I wonder if a lot of religious belief for example can come from, or can be rooted in fear. Fear seems to figure heavily in many of the problems we have as humans.
13:54
"I don't know, shoot you down right here on the spot?"
It's 2020, you can't say shit like that on a school campus. Whoops.
you need to go on Joe Rogans podcast
0:49 Drive-by snapshot lady
At the start of the video a girl stops and takes a photo of Anthony some people are strange if you asked her why she did this she would say he is up to know good.all she had to do is ask him.
How do you know the reason she would give for taking the picture? Is it possible she took the photo for innocuous reasons and you're assigning some malicious intent? You said "All she had to do was ask him," yet, you're guilty of what you're accusing her of.
AZ doesn't appear to have any inflexible beliefs about religious mysticism. He's introspective and this leads to his relative reasonability about faith. Not much to see here. Thankfully.
Not gonna lie, I thought the thumbnail said “Muslim explodes atheism”. Guess I better check my islamiphobia.
Maybe use the Dawkins Scale be less confusing
You must be joking;
@@magnabosco210 i wasnt hahaha 🤣
Don’t tap people on the shoulder! What was that guy thinking
@19:38 ! :)
The Student is the best and most awesome Muslim. *HE IS HONEST* he did not lie for his religion. He is a great man.
As a muslim myself, I believe he does not actually understand islam at all, but blindly followed what was told by his parents. Anthony just questioned this student who does not even know what he really believes. I hope the kid got a wake up call from this and does his research.
@@truth2151 Yes, I hope he wakes up to. I hope that research leads to Ex-Islam.
@@truth2151 Do you really believe the Quran *NEEDS* to have so many references to hellfire and the day of judgement. Like, we only believe because we are afraid of those things. That belief is what ALLAH rewards, not being a good person (the same as in Christianity and the Jewish religion) ?
Michael Crean Who are you to say what the quran needs and what it does not need? That is up to God. Also, that is a subjective reason a person may believe in Islam. That definitely should not be the reason why you believe in Islam. Islam offers the best explanation for our creator, that He is only ONE and was uncreated.
@@truth2151 I am saying you are biased in your beliefs. You believe for emotional reasons not logical. You believe whatever is written in the Quran without question. If the quran said that you had to kill your parents when you turn 30. you would do so. It the quran said that you had to have a child with your sister you would do so.
I will cosign "outlierism".
I don't think he's ever had a chance to talk about his faith from the perspective of not thinking god is a matter of fact.
AZ not Arizona
I think AZ didn't move from a 2 to 40 but he moved from 100 to 40