Was Michael Jordan The WORST Owner In NBA History?
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
- Michael Jordan finally decided to sell the Hornets. Let's go back and take a look at every bad decision he made with the Charlotte Hornets / Bobcats. Enjoy!
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his problem as an owner is he's probably only hired yes men... no one out there had the balls to tell mj what's the right thing to do 😅
Barkley tried and now they're no longer talking. Lol
@@MrZahsomeMJ should be thankful he has GOAT level talent, because his attitude would get him stuck at the end of a bench if not.
People had the balls, he just got rid of them after
Barkley tried and it cost him his friendship
😂😂
Funny enough, MJ said right after he bought the Hornets (then-Bobcats) that he will build a winner on his hometown team but unfortunately that's the one area he failed.
Baseball too
I think the only good thing MJ did was bring the Hornets back to Charlotte in 2014
That last "F you" to the Charlotte fans by not drafting Scoot was wild. He's a horrible owner but is he as bad as Sarver was to my Phoenix Suns? Or Donald Sterling was to the Clippers? Eh BUT then again just imagine if Jordan had to deal with an owner like himself when he was drafted. Would he ask for a trade or just slug it out in Charlotte for 15 years?
At least Sarver and Sterling built contenders at some point
The Suns did make the finals with Sarver in charge and Sterling started the Lob City Era.
Jordan is just unluck, and jerry krahws is just luck. Being a great owner is just being lucky or unlucky. Thats it.
It's not as bad as the Ted Stepien era Cavs. (Watch Part 1 of Secret Base's Cavs documentary for more info on Ted Stepien)
This alone makes mj overrated af.
LeBron, is that 🐐
You can chalk Morrison up to injury too. His rookie year is the only year of his career where he was fully healthy; that ACL tear in the preseason of Year 2 destroyed any chance of improvement. He wasn’t great as a rookie, but he did have flashes of potential.
Plus he’s a diabetic too, which I’m just saying it’s incredibly harder to play basketball as one.
Nah. Drafting a diabetic is a dumb decision
I was never that impressed with Morrison,
@@TheNamesDittoMax Domi is a diabetic NHL player and he would beat the snot outta ya
They've had a lot of bad NBA owners. Jordan was one of them. People act like they don't remember the Warriors before Steph, James Dolan (Knicks), Both of the Nets last two owners, T-Wolves all time, Wizards for decades, Donald Sterling (Clippers), Robert Sarver (Suns), my Pelicans (before Mrs. Benson), the Kings for 16 years. There are plenty.
You mean Abe Poilin for Wizards, He was weird..
@@JakeStevyson That's why I put Wizards for decades Abe and whoever been running them since.
@@17thNO Ted Leonisis?
To this day i'm still surprised remembering how the warriors became a dinasty
It's like saying since this year charlotte will become a contender for the next decade and will win a few titles
Can't forget about Ted Stepien(Cavs owner in the early 80s)who loved to trade draft picks at every opportunity.
As a Hornets fan, 100% yes based on the expectations for him being a former player who is arguably the greatest player of all time.
He drafted the 2 time champ Adam Morrison
On another video I watched, the narrator pointed out that Jordan as a player was all about greatness. Not settling for anything less than the best, for both himself and his teammates.
As an owner, he clung to mediocrity like a life raft. As an owner he was afraid to fail, so he settled for being forgettable.
Urinatingtree’s Hornet video perhaps
@@fortynights1513 correct
All those mistakes MJ made and he runs away with a 3 Billion dollar profit, crazy
Charlotte was supposed to become a large market with MJ at the helm if they had been good he could have made more than that. The bucks could sell their team right now and make more than that because it was once a small market no one wanted to be they managed to change this within a decade. You guys just don't like to admit MJ the owner was good awful he literally picked Michael Kidd-Gilchrist even after his scouts suggested AD. Saying this has nothing to do with his status as the goat I know that's why people are jumping through hoops to make it seem like he won in the end.
His name is what made that profit
It didnt say profit, he sold it for that price. Didnt mention how much he lost
he fumbled so many picks, very high ego are his downfall as an owner
We all see this everyday even at our workplace. A dysfunctional management builds a dysfunctional company, in this case a team. Barkley was right all along about MJ just having yes man around him.
I just want to preface my comment by stating that I recognize Jordan will be fine with his billions and his many income streams whereas I'm just some nobody with no money. With that said, Jordan's killer instinct is great on the court in a 5v5 where he can rely on himself first and foremost, but being a good manager means trusting those around you to do their jobs without micromanaging (and also letting go of perfection). It's fascinating how pure, generational talent in one area doesn't translate directly to another.
It's like all that stubbornness and iron will that made him so successful as a player is doing him zero favors as an executive. It'll be interesting to see if he can let go of it and adapt his killer instinct to work in this very different context. Frankly not holding my breath because at this point he'll keep falling upwards no matter what thanks to his incredible, well-deserved legacy.
To me the whole 'killer instinct' think is a joke. It appears in the most selfish players that see themselves above the rest. It only works if you are really goat material but it doesn't when you actually need to manage people and their personalities. Jordan probably only looked at the players potential and athleticism. He thought that if they worked hard like him, they could be great but they are not him, almost no one on this earth is a psycho like him lol @@youngminpark3173
Kiss up.
@@thunderking8925?? why would I do that here? Like I'm gonna think Jordan's gonna see my comment??? I say nice things to everyone. You should try it sometime and make some friends.
and Charles is the one who got punked...
I think there are two reasons why MJ failed as an owner. First off, as others on this thread have alluded to, he surrounded himself with yes men who never challenged him but also were terrible for front office roles. Secondly, I get the feeling Jordan wore out his competitive drive when he was a player. He was completely obsessed with winning as a player but didn’t seem to care anywhere near as much about it as an owner.
I can tell you an owner who is worse than Michael Jordan that for some reason very few people ever bring up: Chris Cohan.
He owned the Warriors from the mid 1990s until 2010 and during that time, the team only made the playoffs ONCE, which was the “We Believe” year, while the team constantly passed up future superstars in the draft and averaged low ratings in one of the biggest and most basketball-crazy media markets in North America…not to mention he was extremely cheap and never really bothered to pursue big name free agents and trades (he VETOED a trade proposal that would have sent KG to the Warriors instead of the Celtics!).
goood pick!
And changed to that horrible orange gold and navy colour scheme with a random ass lightning bolt man
Yes but atleast not bring a 7-59 team
@@mattkhannahorrible? just say ur plain and boring
@@trvspvrk funny how they went back to plain and boring and won 4 more titles 🤷🏽♂️
“He looked like a fluffy croissant” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I laughed so hard, I done dropped my beer
Lol😅😅
Didn't mention about Jeremy lin in hornets? His partenership with kemba in the 2016 season was fun to watch
😂😂it was a foot note that team was still mid af
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Overall your analysis was good but 2 things I vehemently disagree with you on.
1. Drafting Brandon Miller was a decision made by the front office not MJ. By that time, he didn’t give 2 shits about the organization, wasn’t involved with front office decisions anymore, and was ready to move on with the sale.
2. You make it sound like they drafted a bust over a superstar by passing on scoot. Both players are rookies and have not done anything yet in their careers. No way to tell whether or not they made the wrong pick until we reevaluate the draft years from now.
Honestly I have always thought that scoot was heavily overrated by fans and the media. He’s a terrible % shooter in a shooter’s league. Would not surprise me 1 bit if B-Miller turns out to be a better player than scoot.
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Brad Daugherty has been a good nascar owner tho
I’d say Donald Sterling is worse. Maybe a few others that haven’t been as open in the public too. Dolan from the Knicks too!!
Oh yeah I agree with you on Dolan. He’s the reason I eventually stopped being a Knicks fan after 25 years
Basketballwise Sterling was terrible but at leaast he made money of his players and the team. MJ's aspirations are unclear. Looking to his picks it looks like he wanted to create a all-time legendary white center from no name, either he belived he has a notion what shadow freshman has potential to break out
@@romank.5261How much money did Jordan just get selling his majority stake? I'd say that was his plan.
ted stepien is by far the worst. sterling managed to own the clippers for decades, stepien pretty much destroyed the cavaliers in 2 years. he traded 2 firsts for a guy and then cut him after like 2 weeks, and that was only marginally worse than all his other trades
Nah Sterling actually had playoff teams I don’t think Jordan made the playoffs one time as an owner
I don't think it's just the drafting that's horrible but also the development since the fact that they drafted Tobias Harris with a late pick but traded him meant that maybe some of these players would've been better if they were drafted to a different team with better development.
Mario Lemiuex is probably the only superstar generational talent that became a great owner/management of a team after he stopped playing. I really feel that LeBron would be a great owner if he got the opportunity though
As a Hawks fan, I have to say their ownership group in the 00s and early 10s was one of the worst. They were very cheap and content with being just good enough to make the playoffs. Eventually they sold the team because the group self destructed by suing each other
Jordan gives me vibes that, even if unintentionally, people around him end up being "yes men". Because they don't want to piss off or say no to the greatest player
Which is why the hornets are have always been shit 😂cant be that much of a yes man
"I think MJ is the only player to transition into an owner" *Magic Johnson literally just existing*
He had stakes in a team but never been an owner
Magic isnt a majority team owner, just stop it man.
Yeah and he showed really fucking quick that NBA players don’t need to be owners🤣
Just because you a great basketball player. That doesn’t make you great in every aspect of basketball!
Clearly lol I’d be surprised if we ever see another NBA player turned owner ever again after Jordan’s trash ass lol
This really puts into perspective how valuable Phil Jackson was to that 6rings squad.
Everyone kept saying how MJ didn't start winning until Scottie was joined and after he's ready ready, however I feel like Phil was the most crucial cog in there.
Being able to fit in Rodman for the second three-peat etc was no easy task, MJ lacks the locker room and structure and being the leader.
Phil is THAT GUY.
Huge part of MJ's 2nd retirement is also because Phil wasn't gonna get resigned and hence MJ said he'll retire. Which led to him cutting his finger with the cigar cutter yada yada.
I think Jordan and that Bulls squad was talented enough to win eventually but a threepeat let alone two? Not without Phil.
They'd probably only just win 1 or 2. Phil is just that instrumental to their success and I can't believe Jordan haters don't even use that angle to slight his legacy...
@@imfinishedgrinding638 Most of the Jordan haters probably hate Phil too, at least I'd assume so. Most of them are LeBron stans and Phil Jackson has insulted their favorite player several times.
Isn't it the reverse? They say that if Lebron had a legendary coach like Phil, he would have been able to win more? Like Lebron became a meme for forcing players in an out of the team because no one did it for him lol @@CrazyxEnigma
@@Kuroganemk2 idk maybe? I don't really see Phil brought up much unless it's discussing stuff directly related to him like the Bulls and Lakers teams he coached or greatest coaches of all time. I just remember people got really upset when Phil called the people around LeBron his posse and people cried racism when posse has no racial connotations that I know of.
People should watch the documentary of Secret Base about this topic, "the men you pay to be in shorts" or something along those lines.
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You should do a video on what happened to Ron Mercer 6th pick in the 1997 NBA draft selected by the Celtics and was great college player to be a journeyman in the NBA and retired by 28
As a NBA head from NC I’ve always passively rooted for the Hornets. During MJ’s tenure they had to All Star guards basically fall to them in Kemba and LaMelo. But other than that it’s been a whole lot of Ls. I don’t think he’s the worst owner ever but I do think he’s in the conversation. From a purely basketball decision making standpoint.
It’s Donald Sterling, for me. He was cheap, The Clippers would not get any better, and were the laughingstock of the league for DECADES until Lob City. Donald was also a racist that owned a basketball team in a predominantly black league. Look up the stories of Donald bringing in his groups to the locker room, so they could “marvel” at the black athletes bodies. I’m not making it up!
He Had The Clippers Practicing In South Central At A Community College Gym Lol
Dolan also.
Nah it's MJ
Not even close. There’s not even a lob city equivalent for the bobcats / hornets. It’s MJ.
@@ted_shelton Nahhh get outta here with your, “not even close.”
To me, I don’t think MJ is a worse owner than a racist and Donald was an awful owner as well that kept the Clippers down for longer decades. The Clippers franchise was practically begging for a new change of ownership, when Ballmer bought it.
Bill Russell did not fail as the Sonics head coach. In fact let's not forget how successful he was as the player-coach of the Celtics. For the Sonics though, he made the playoffs twice. It was after they drafted Jack Sikma and brought in Gus Williams that made the Sonics into a championship team. Not to take anything away from Lenny Wilkens but the newly added players had a lot to do with the success the Sonics had after Bill Russell was no longer coaching.
*It was before Sikma, Gus Williams and Dennis Johnson huge development.
@@lexvaza It was before those guys came in when the Sonics became a playoff team under Bill Russell and after those guys came in and Bill Russell was out the door.
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Quite sad that Barkley and MJ's friendship ended bec Jordan didn't like Barkley's criticism of how the team was run.
Would have been interesting if Jordan instead hired Barkley to fix Charlotte.
Charles Barkley doesn't need him. Didn't Jordan say "I hate that fat f*ck" about him anyway?
And yet how many remarks did he make about Jerry Krause in The Last Dance?
So I'm a Cavs fan and remember the lockout-shortened 2011-2012 year. Cavs were in the absolute dumps, win % was terrible and on track to be the worse in the NBA that year. But the one silver lining was that the Bobcats ended up having an even worse record! Thank you, Charlotte, for your sacrifice. No one remembers just how BAD the Cavs were because of you! (Everyone knew/knows we were bad, but not the extent lol)
Is that the year we lost like 27 straight or whatever it was? Also I remember a meme when the spurs swept their first 2 playoff series and it said more wins 8 than bobcats had the entire year
@@codyeble6764 lmao i'm pretty sure that's right. amazing.
Imagine tanking to get AD but drafted a bust instead at number 2
Imagine Kemba with AD...
It's too bad the NBA gave the 2012 #1 pick to the one team they owned at the time.
The Pelicans getting AD is the only reason the CP3 trade isn't looked at as highway robbery.
Barkley tried to tell him....
Fluffy croissant.
I need that on a t-shirt.
The line up with Steve Jackson and Wallace is 🔥 on paper.
As good as he was as a player, that’s how bad he is of an owner
He's bad but not the worst. For me the worst owners are Donald Sterling of the Clippers and Ted Stepien of the Cavaliers.
I think the reason for all the bad draft picks, it's because he's still thinks as a basketball player when dealing with NBA stuff, like he can't think past that he's the best and no one's better than him
Yes. Yes, he is. Some owners don't give a damn and just want to say they own a basketball team and their teams stay in mediocrity because nobody really cares. MJ, unfortunately, actually thought he was making good moves and put Charlotte perpetually in the lottery with his terrible picks, trades, and signings. It takes a whole other level to be that bad while actually trying to be decent.
It’s between Donald Sterling and Ted Stephen
Man he smacked a player upside the head on national TV. 😂
The best players always make the worst owners
Elgin Baylor with the Clippers
Isiah Thomas with the Knicks
Wes Unseld with the Bullets/Wizards
Miller is in fact currently much better than Scoot.
Cavs owner stipen back in the day was awful as well. Traded ever draft pick, that's why they came up with the stipen rule
To me he's not even remotely worse than Donald Sterling. This dude literally refused to improve his team.
Yeah he's up there with the worst owners of all time. Just further proves the point if you're really really good at a certain area, it doesn't mean you will be good at other areas.
Krauss curse...thinking it was the player that assemble the team
Donald Sterling … honorable mention Harold Katz
Nah can't knock him for that Morrison pick Andy I'm glad you chalked that one up 😅😅😅
MJ wasn’t a good owner, however he was FAR from being the worst. Donald Sterling has entered the chat. If you want to know why the Clippers have been around for 54+ years yet only made it to the WCF once and never made it to the Finals, he is the reason why.
Sterling still built good teams and drafted good players whether they won a chip or not…he had like 15 playoff teams in his tenure…Jordan in 17 seasons made the playoffs 3 times and was swept in two of those series the 1st rd and he never even built or drafted a superstar player…that’s 2 decades of absolutely nothing to show for…he’s 100% the worst owner ever
A “fluffy croissant” lol
That's bad when Larry Brown says that about Jordan. He was a players coach. He has to tolerate personalities like Iverson wit "practice" and R. Wallace and S. Jackson and many others.
$3 Billion sound like a win to me
Why it says say cheese with big smile on Kai Jones tweet
I think Charlotte is just a cursed market for the NBA. From George Shinn to Robert Johnson to Michael Jordan, it feels like this city will never have a good owner for their basketball team. The jury is still out on the current ownership but they'll need to do a lot of good to reverse that streak of bad to awful.
As for bad owners in history, before Sterling, there was Ted Steipen almost single-handedly killing basketball in Cleveland with bad trades, dumb comments, and just putting out a godawful product on the court. The NBA had to create a new rule and hand out comp picks to the new ownership just so the Cavs would be watchable again.
Funny how we believe someone who is brilliant in one thing will be brilliant in another. Magic, Vlade, Baylor, Thomas, Rambis just to name a few front office / coaches.
It's difficult to judge Baylor given Sterling was his boss and meddled in decisions.
@@CrazyxEnigma You're absolutely right, it would be hard to judge. But the fact that he worked for Sterling for 22 years... have to take some of the blame. Poor Clips, hope they have better days ahead.
I'm dead serious, there may have been some type of espionage because damn there were so many bad decisions at every turn. There's no way that you can make that many wrong decisions and stay bad for that long
Morrison led the Lakers to 2 back to back titles
Never forget
Larry brown actually got the bobcats to the playoffs one year with captain Jack and Gerald wallace
I respectfully disagree, when super stars just want to jump around and form super teams in big markets how is he supposed to build a team? All the small market teams take decades to get competitive. Once u land a decent piece they want to leave to a big market to compete.
The irony being that the NBA has only made that situation worse over the years with more and more salary restriction rules that prevent players from getting the most they possibly could in a free market; they can't even maximize the "Bird exception" contract that kept players re-signing with their original teams for years, so yeah - they go to where they can get the most winning and superstardom because they are banned from getting the most money.
Nobody's gonna miss the Jordan era of being an executive.. _very resentful._
I won’t say he’s the worst because Donald Sterling existed, but he was terrible when it came to drafting players and hiring coaches and GM’s.
Y’all keep saying Sterling but Jordan achieved less in 17 years than Sterling did in any 17 year stretch of his 40 year tenure…yall just hate Sterling cause he said midget or migger or whatever he even said
Can you do one on the Bus family after Jerry Passed Away Jim and Jeanie
Jim Buss deserves the vast majority of the blame for how the franchise plummeted after his dad died.
At least he's not that as bad as Stepien
Larry Brown and Charles Barkley have said the same thing about Jordan. There has to be some truth to it
Man, so much pain. Not just the draft picks but all these dumb trades. You forgot this one: Emeka Okafor for Tyson Chandler (nice!), who was one year later traded for Erick Dampier, (who was waived) Matt Caroll and Eduardo Najera.... Letting Felton walk for nothing.
For the draft picks, let's just pick the next player in each years draft and we get: Tyrus THomas (2006 draft was trash!), Joakim Noah, Brook Lopez, Tyler Hansborough, Jimmer Freddette (let's keep Kemba), Bradley Beal (iso MKG), Alex Len (2013 draft was trash!), Elfrid Payton (iso Vonleh),
His failures as an Owner/GM went way beyond his time in Charlotte, he was also as Trump would say the "huge brain" behind drafting Kwayme Brown.
Stepian, Sterling and Dolan.
Stepian & Sterling were so bad that the NBA had to step in, the NBA made the Stepian rule because of Stepian and the minimum cap because Sterling.
As for Dolan he took a rich & popular big market franchise who was a constant contender in the 90's and made it into a the the league laughing stock and a punching bag.
It's easy to fail as an expansion team in a small market the like Charlotte and thay didn't have a lottery luck, Jordan was pretty bad but far from the worst.
One of the worst in modern times for sure. But I’d say Ted stepien probably Is one of if not THE worst of all time. There’s a reason why the stepien rule is a thing.
agree, lots of casuals in here crying donald sterling is a ray cissss as primary reason jfknc, there were a ton in the 80s who didn't care for their franchises but putting asses on the seats
@@wobbafett2464true lots of owners and players were awful for the league
@@wobbafett2464 Donald sterling as a Owner sucked regardless whether racist or not. But Stepien was worse team wise I’d say
@@JC4.80 never said sterling wasn't a terrible owner it's just his ray cisssm has transcended everything he did more grave stuff as an NBA team owner, the question wasn't terrible human beings it's who was the worst owner of all and teddy stepien smokes 'em all by a mile but people are just gonna built a tent on donny because he's recent and was blown up by social media
@@wobbafett2464 yea that’s true. Wasn’t saying u said that. But yea they were both bad team wise. But stepien yea was def worse. Would you say he’s worse than Jordan? I’d say for sure
The turning point was that 09-10
He should kept
Gerald Wallace Stephen jackson Tyson chandler this squad made the playoffs. Then eventually draft Kemba Walker. That squad was built to be a. Contender.
I’m not sure it was the intention… but I laughed so hard during the video, their draft and trade decisions are so terrible, how this man ever won six championships is a mystery
I will always say...How do you watch MKG shoot a basketball and draft him?
Dawg I ain’t even know Vince Carter played with d Howard on the magic
There are far worse owners than Jordan. Has there been any dramas of him as an owner off the court? He just basically hired people that wouldn't have audacity to say 'No.'
I disagree, in my opinion, Ted Stepien still holds the worst NBA team owner of all time, trading away their first round picks in multiple yrs for a mediocre player resulting to NBA to step-in just to save the Cavs from falling apart.
Jordan never even tried to fix his shitty ass teams at least Stepien put in effort…Jordan literally bought the team and sat in the booth with a cigar on auto pilot smh worst owner ever
The most interesting thing he did was trading with Golden State
stepien for me and it's not even close
Trading a young prospect for a aging player who retired a year later is crazy 😂😂
Nowhere near as bad as Donald Sterling, not even close, but seeing the irreversible damage he's done to Jerry Krause image, its kinda satisfying to see Jordan fail to put a team together. Now, I'm not saying Jerry Krause was an angel by any means, but Jordan had a hand in tainting the image of the person who put those Chicago teams around Jordan.
This title is wild like Donald Sterling didn’t exist lol
Hey we all can agree that we did not think Adam Morrison would be that horrible 😂
Frank Kaminsky could have been solid but never given the real opportunity. His stats for 36 mpg, would have been 15 ppg 7 rpg.
Jordan is far from the worst owner, that fact is sad asf and gives you an idea of how low the bar is.
His hiring of his brother being VP of Player Personnel is still baffling
I wish MJ should had learn a lesson or 2 to Pat Riley on how he'd managed the Miami Heat nicely and created a great culture on the organization. But now it's too late for that one and he'd already gonna sell his team to maybe Me. Beast? 🤔
Short answer:
1) He reacquired the Hornets name
2) He didn't pluck away a franchise from a city like Clay Bennett did
3) He's not Donald Sterling
EDIT: 4) He's not James Dolan
So the answer is no, he's not the worst.
They have Lamello Ball it doesn't make basketball sense to draft Scoot unless you plan on trading one of them.
Yes
nah. not even close.
its a fight between reinsdorf and dolan. they own 2 of the biggest franchises in two of the biggest markets and they dont do ish for their teams.
Imo yes never focused on the team just his pockets 💯💪
Probably 2nd best owner right behind Donald Sterling who was a great owner, upstanding citizen, nice guy, and celebrated in the African American community regularly lol
Definetely picking kwame was a hint and hunt mj
"His unwavering love for tall big white men who become busts." 😂😂😂
Michael Jordan as a Hornets owner made him the Dan Snyder of Basketball
Come back when you can provide a list of discrimination and harassment accusations against Jordan like there have been against Snyder. Like others have said, Don Sterling comes FAR closed to being thm NBA's Snyder.