Hi Brian. Another wonderful , insightful and informative video. As always, I so much appreciate the time and effort you put into your design ideas, and sharing it all with us.
Really impressive setups and performance!! It's so fun to see video from The Gorge. I used to spend July and Aug camping at Peach Beach beside Merryhill to kitesurf. Good times, good times!
Just wow! I thought the trip video was crazy exciting as I watched the conditions and rigging change… but was lulled into less concern knowing your experience/skill was just enjoying the exercise… and the calming music helped too. Thanks for sharing the backstory, which confirmed my observations. Eagerly awaiting your LPB testing. I’m still enjoying my LPB, now in its 13th season. Thanks for that.
Thanks for such great insight and for developing such a great system. On my kayak tour today one of the clients mentioned we should have a sail as we were going downwind, so I was telling her about your system. I'm hoping to be able to make one up over the winter. And the trip report was just a lot of fun in it's own.
I used one of the earlier Flat Earth Kayak sails quite a bit back that also only used a single set of stays. Having your mast blow forward that way was not uncommon. a set of back stays did eliminate it, and they only consisted of two more pieces of rope and snap shackles. They can be as little as 6 inches behind the side stays and work quite well at preventing that. A simple one line boom vang will also give you a lot more shape control, power and upwind with not much more complexity added. Those little kayak sails can do a lot more than I would have thought. I went kayak camping on a lake next to the Smokies with two other paddlers. I was the only one with a sail. On downwind and broad reach sections, the other two just held onto my boat and the three of us were doing over 4 mph for several miles. One of the two outside boats used their paddle as a rudder, as my kayak rudder wasn't enough for three boats. Definitely a new dimension to kayaking. That's quite bold to leave the sails up in those winds. On the coast, that would be a small craft advisory. I usually drop mine before 25 kts. The chances of getting blown over is just too high for me.
Yeah the nice thing about the catamaran is that you can push the power a lot harder although you don’t go any faster because the pressure wave that develops between the boats prevents really good surfing. Mostly I’m just doing it to see if I can break some thing. Generally when it hits about 15 I would switch to a .8 m if I was sailing solo and a .7 at 25. I’ve actually got the Tuesday system really well dialed in to where it doesn’t fold forward and stainless steel rivets would take care of the issue we had but my bigger concern is just realizing how much downward force a a two stay system puts on the boat, so I’ll probably be rigging a backstay. I just always start with the simplest ideas first.
@@capefalconkayak Would dispersing the force among four shrouds instead of two also reduce the stress on the aluminum rivet? Whenever sails are involved, there will always be a weakest link. If I had to pick a point I wanted to fail first on your system, it would probably be the clamcleat for your main sheet. At least that doesn't require a repair. I made the mistake of having my sidestays on my trimaran stronger than the connection to the aka. Multihulls tend to break apart when over stressed. Monohulls capsize. Thanks for both videos. I really enjoy seeing the evolution of both your projects and processes.
@@wisenber The thing about four stay systems is that you’re just constantly dicking with them to try to get the tension balanced and even when it is it’s really hard to tell how much force is actually on which stays. Given my preference I’d probably just go with a single running back stay and tighten it up just until I saw the side stays start to loosen a little bit and then back it off again. That’s kind of what I did after we had the rivets shear off. It just gets really annoying if you have backstays that you can’t adjust on the water and your side stays start to loosen up and the rig starts rattling around. Are usually set up my sails with a pretty aggressive Rake on the mast that ends up more vertical by the end of a day of sailing. I’m going to give people the choice to do it however they want when I release the system.
@@mierin2440814 dagger set ups are a bit complicated with kayaks and it takes a pretty high-tech set up to make make it work. I think that much time, money, and effort is better spent working on something that’s designed to go upwind.
I used to windsurf that section in the 80's and appreciate the wind/wave intensity your system performed in. Glad you didn't get barged.
I try to stay far from the shipping channel!
I like your teaching so much. Everything comes from real life testing. So interesting. Thank you!
Hi Brian. Another wonderful , insightful and informative video. As always, I so much appreciate the time and effort you put into your design ideas, and sharing it all with us.
Really impressive setups and performance!! It's so fun to see video from The Gorge. I used to spend July and Aug camping at Peach Beach beside Merryhill to kitesurf. Good times, good times!
Just wow! I thought the trip video was crazy exciting as I watched the conditions and rigging change… but was lulled into less concern knowing your experience/skill was just enjoying the exercise… and the calming music helped too. Thanks for sharing the backstory, which confirmed my observations. Eagerly awaiting your LPB testing. I’m still enjoying my LPB, now in its 13th season. Thanks for that.
I watched your video of the trip 3 times. Really enjoyed your editing, just a great flow of the video.
wow, your dedication to testing really shows. thanks for the great explanations!
Thanks for such great insight and for developing such a great system. On my kayak tour today one of the clients mentioned we should have a sail as we were going downwind, so I was telling her about your system. I'm hoping to be able to make one up over the winter. And the trip report was just a lot of fun in it's own.
Pretty freakin epic Brian!
Wow! So fun and informative to watch!
Cape~‘sup- this is professional , have a good day. 🤝
Nice work!
I used one of the earlier Flat Earth Kayak sails quite a bit back that also only used a single set of stays. Having your mast blow forward that way was not uncommon. a set of back stays did eliminate it, and they only consisted of two more pieces of rope and snap shackles. They can be as little as 6 inches behind the side stays and work quite well at preventing that.
A simple one line boom vang will also give you a lot more shape control, power and upwind with not much more complexity added.
Those little kayak sails can do a lot more than I would have thought. I went kayak camping on a lake next to the Smokies with two other paddlers. I was the only one with a sail. On downwind and broad reach sections, the other two just held onto my boat and the three of us were doing over 4 mph for several miles. One of the two outside boats used their paddle as a rudder, as my kayak rudder wasn't enough for three boats. Definitely a new dimension to kayaking.
That's quite bold to leave the sails up in those winds. On the coast, that would be a small craft advisory. I usually drop mine before 25 kts. The chances of getting blown over is just too high for me.
Yeah the nice thing about the catamaran is that you can push the power a lot harder although you don’t go any faster because the pressure wave that develops between the boats prevents really good surfing. Mostly I’m just doing it to see if I can break some thing. Generally when it hits about 15 I would switch to a .8 m if I was sailing solo and a .7 at 25. I’ve actually got the Tuesday system really well dialed in to where it doesn’t fold forward and stainless steel rivets would take care of the issue we had but my bigger concern is just realizing how much downward force a a two stay system puts on the boat, so I’ll probably be rigging a backstay. I just always start with the simplest ideas first.
@@capefalconkayak Would dispersing the force among four shrouds instead of two also reduce the stress on the aluminum rivet?
Whenever sails are involved, there will always be a weakest link. If I had to pick a point I wanted to fail first on your system, it would probably be the clamcleat for your main sheet. At least that doesn't require a repair.
I made the mistake of having my sidestays on my trimaran stronger than the connection to the aka. Multihulls tend to break apart when over stressed. Monohulls capsize.
Thanks for both videos. I really enjoy seeing the evolution of both your projects and processes.
@@wisenber The thing about four stay systems is that you’re just constantly dicking with them to try to get the tension balanced and even when it is it’s really hard to tell how much force is actually on which stays. Given my preference I’d probably just go with a single running back stay and tighten it up just until I saw the side stays start to loosen a little bit and then back it off again. That’s kind of what I did after we had the rivets shear off. It just gets really annoying if you have backstays that you can’t adjust on the water and your side stays start to loosen up and the rig starts rattling around. Are usually set up my sails with a pretty aggressive Rake on the mast that ends up more vertical by the end of a day of sailing. I’m going to give people the choice to do it however they want when I release the system.
Great job.
Brilliant 👌
Running only sail , please fit daggar board on it.
@@mierin2440814 dagger set ups are a bit complicated with kayaks and it takes a pretty high-tech set up to make make it work. I think that much time, money, and effort is better spent working on something that’s designed to go upwind.
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I can't help but remember this image from your old blog: capefalconkayak.com/watercolorsailing.jpg
Yeah that’s a favorite