Part of Your World. As someone who identifies as asexual biromantic and live in a straight family who would hate me for being who I am, it’s just… hits me everytime I listen to it.
As a trans masculine queer person, Disney musicals have always struck such a deep cord with me in ways that I didn't have the words for until my 20's. There's so many songs in the Disney catalog that feel so personal to queer experience that I can't really hear them any other way. You showcased a lot of them in your video, like 'Go the Distance' 'Reflection' ect ect, but two that aren't here that speak to me so much is Howard Ashman's cut song from Aladdin "Proud of Your Boy" which, as a trans masc, nearly brings me to tears everytime I listen to it. And "I'm Still Here" from Treasure Planet. That might seem like an odd choice at first glance, and I don't see many people talk about it, but the way the song and visuals express Jim's need for a male role model, and how he wants to be seen for who he is really speak to me.
i am so glad to see someone else not only acknowledge those two songs but how absolutely transmasc they feel, theyre both on my trans playlist lol. they definitely speak so much to me
Judy's performance style was largely shaped by gay men - from her father, who she loved and lost while she was young, from Roger Edens, the brilliant arranger and composer who was her mentor, and from directors like George Cukor and her second husband Vincente Minnelli.
I'm really interested in what you said about the late 1800s and defining "the homosexual" as something liberating, where people had greater access to language to describe their experiences. My understanding is that the categorization of homosexual as "something you are" rather than "something you do" did more harm, as now there was a scientific category to separate "normal" from "deviant". Can you (or anyone) jump in on this? I'm sure it's complicated and a mix of positive and negative, but I'd love to hear people's knowledge in these areas.
It's definitely complicated, but I don't think I would say it did more harm than good. My understanding is mainly around Germany, but from what I understand making queerness something that you are was essential for many modern frameworks of homosexuality. Before that it was often associated with criminal behavior and was framed as a choice, so when the words "Urning" and "homosexualität" (the former being the first) came along they gave some sort of natural cause for homosexuality, which was helpful because the tension was about it being unnatural. There was also discussions before the advent of those words about homosexuality/queerness being a naturally occurring thing. This was very helpful for people understanding it conceptually at the time and also helped decriminalize the public view since it wasn't something set out to corrupt society as much. This also led to people being able to access medical care in the early 1900s, namely through Hirschfeld's institute and such. Queerness as a natural thing that occurs in humans was essential for doing research into it and understanding it. Medicalization of trans experience is something that doesn't really fit as an inherent good in modern day trans discussions, but back then it was the road to legal and social legitimacy. Of course, queerness as "something you are" directly played into Nazi thought about LGBTQ+ people being a threat to society. I've seen some people cite that as a reason for that viewpoint (about queerness being natural) being harmful to the community, but I think to do so is almost like victim blaming in a way, as the insidious nature of fascism and the demonizing of people in that way doesn't reflect on anything else but fascism in my opinion. I think after that, though, it makes sense to me that people are wary of the medicalizing/queerness is natural framework. I think it's good to be aware of the optics since we've seen how it can play into fascist movements and such. But I don't think that makes the framework a bad thing, just complicated. In my opinion, the idea that queerness is a naturally occurring thing completely changed the way that people think. Even growing up in the 2000s in a small US town, I could see the way that "Born This Way" completely changed the discussion in the most conservative people I knew, even if that thought had existed since the 1800s. That's why I don't know if I'd say it did more harm than good, because I don't know if I'd be comparing it in that way. It's a pretty complicated situation and to assign a moral value to it would make it seem like those who used that framework knowingly made their decision based on global change they couldn't predict.
it amazes me seeing this conversation in the US, where i live, Chile, homosexual is not considerd a bad word , at most a little outdated, like your mother would say that
Let it Go came into my life when I was entering art college in 2013. It helped me to express my talent more than before. Show Yourself came into my life after I came out as bisexual in 2019. It still helps me when I need encouragement.
Excellent video! Queer people and Jews have been integral to American musical theatre since the beginning. People who existed on that boundary between fitting in and not - if you changed your behavior and hid your true self, then the white majority would accept you… and they took the other option, to create art that existed on the boundary between reality and fantasy, where they could express themselves and their art and their music and find that freedom to be their true selves
I found myself very teary and seen when you said people’s first experience of musical theatre was watching Disney films as a kid. I’m an actor (not MT trained as I have zero coordination!) but could never really pin down where my love for theatre particularly came from. We went to panto (classic British staple!) and my granddad took us to see Grease in the West End when I was 4 (and mostly slept through it!) but we were never a ‘theatre going’ family. But this is why I ended up where I am. Because I was absolutely entranced, obsessed and overjoyed by Disney films. I’d watch them all the time as a kid and had every VHS going (yes, I’m old). Thank you for making me realise that. I always loved Belle’s reprise moment as a kid, and to this day Out There is one of my absolute favourite songs to sing. I was late coming out as bisexual, and oop, just having some gender crisis currently floating somewhere under the Nbi umbrella, but these songs and musicals continue to make my queer heart sing (and they were doing that before I even had any knowledge of the queer community). I guess it runs really deep! Thank you for this and all your other videos, I adore your work! 💜
Unfortunately, life interfered with my ability to email you, but I *did* want to say that while not the *first* - probably one of the most important and influential musical theatre experiences I had were the regular attendance to *Rocky Horror* as a teen. The freedom (and encouragement) of self-expression alone was something - *no one* - was ever able to convince me to 'undo' as a result.
This reminded me of that episode of Doctor Who where one of the characters was talking to Martha and the person said "oh, he's into musical theater", in reference to The Doctor.
ive always loved musical movies and in recent years begun to get into musical theater stuff a little, and man i just love it all. they really do say things that are otherwise unsaid and sound so beautiful while they do, and some of the songs really are so different from a queer perspective that i wish i could just send them to other people for them to understand, but obviously no one else is in my head to see them how i do. and i grew up with disney, so of course most of the musicals and musical songs i know are disney
The I want songs were never something I particularly picked up on as a kid, but now that I'm older and I know that I'm trans, as well as having watched these videos, listening to them really just makes my heart swell with so much emotion. sadness and longing yes but so much hope and love and sense of community
I only figured out I was bi a few years ago and these songs are so much more meaningful to me now. Looking back it makes sense why i akways resonated so much with them.
as a queer ive really found a lot of validation in ancient theater and queer history. i know its probably not what you were refrencing in this video, but the origins and development of the characterization of the god dionysus in the ancient and modern world as a greek queer has really let me have a lot of fun with my own identity rather than fear it.
Your videos are always so fantastically researched! I've recently spent a lot of time thinking about my queerness in relation to theatre (after all, theatre was something I spent nearly a decade doing). It's nice to look at those experiences through a historical lens
I havent watched the video but i will- just wanna say i laughed at the thumbnail cuz its a very nice way of saying "if you grew up listening to musicals you are gay" meanwhile my transfemme girlfriend calls themself evil and that singing isnt evil!!!!!! Hahaha
I'm so behind on this but I've noticed Pinocchio is often associated with queer masc self-actualization stories. Is this, within any scope of cultural awareness in the world, a common thing? I was surprised to see "I've Got No Strings" listed within this video that it just reminded me of this pattern I hope to god I'm not just seeing out of nowhere lol...
Not every Disney musical is “gay”. Depends on the movie. Be prepared isn’t a gay song. Whole new World isn’t gay. Also I am not gay and I like Disney musicals. I like other musicals like Little Shop of Horrors and Blues Brothers.
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What's your fav LGBTQ+ Disney song? 🏳🌈🎵
I don’t dance from hsm
Reflection
Part of Your World. As someone who identifies as asexual biromantic and live in a straight family who would hate me for being who I am, it’s just… hits me everytime I listen to it.
Has to be Part of your world
Reflection will never fail to make me cry 🥲
As a trans masculine queer person, Disney musicals have always struck such a deep cord with me in ways that I didn't have the words for until my 20's. There's so many songs in the Disney catalog that feel so personal to queer experience that I can't really hear them any other way. You showcased a lot of them in your video, like 'Go the Distance' 'Reflection' ect ect, but two that aren't here that speak to me so much is Howard Ashman's cut song from Aladdin "Proud of Your Boy" which, as a trans masc, nearly brings me to tears everytime I listen to it. And "I'm Still Here" from Treasure Planet. That might seem like an odd choice at first glance, and I don't see many people talk about it, but the way the song and visuals express Jim's need for a male role model, and how he wants to be seen for who he is really speak to me.
yes yes yes to all of this
i am so glad to see someone else not only acknowledge those two songs but how absolutely transmasc they feel, theyre both on my trans playlist lol. they definitely speak so much to me
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THESE SONGS
This lady's voice is so calming.
Judy's performance style was largely shaped by gay men - from her father, who she loved and lost while she was young, from Roger Edens, the brilliant arranger and composer who was her mentor, and from directors like George Cukor and her second husband Vincente Minnelli.
I'm really interested in what you said about the late 1800s and defining "the homosexual" as something liberating, where people had greater access to language to describe their experiences. My understanding is that the categorization of homosexual as "something you are" rather than "something you do" did more harm, as now there was a scientific category to separate "normal" from "deviant". Can you (or anyone) jump in on this? I'm sure it's complicated and a mix of positive and negative, but I'd love to hear people's knowledge in these areas.
It's definitely complicated, but I don't think I would say it did more harm than good. My understanding is mainly around Germany, but from what I understand making queerness something that you are was essential for many modern frameworks of homosexuality. Before that it was often associated with criminal behavior and was framed as a choice, so when the words "Urning" and "homosexualität" (the former being the first) came along they gave some sort of natural cause for homosexuality, which was helpful because the tension was about it being unnatural.
There was also discussions before the advent of those words about homosexuality/queerness being a naturally occurring thing. This was very helpful for people understanding it conceptually at the time and also helped decriminalize the public view since it wasn't something set out to corrupt society as much. This also led to people being able to access medical care in the early 1900s, namely through Hirschfeld's institute and such. Queerness as a natural thing that occurs in humans was essential for doing research into it and understanding it. Medicalization of trans experience is something that doesn't really fit as an inherent good in modern day trans discussions, but back then it was the road to legal and social legitimacy.
Of course, queerness as "something you are" directly played into Nazi thought about LGBTQ+ people being a threat to society. I've seen some people cite that as a reason for that viewpoint (about queerness being natural) being harmful to the community, but I think to do so is almost like victim blaming in a way, as the insidious nature of fascism and the demonizing of people in that way doesn't reflect on anything else but fascism in my opinion.
I think after that, though, it makes sense to me that people are wary of the medicalizing/queerness is natural framework. I think it's good to be aware of the optics since we've seen how it can play into fascist movements and such. But I don't think that makes the framework a bad thing, just complicated. In my opinion, the idea that queerness is a naturally occurring thing completely changed the way that people think. Even growing up in the 2000s in a small US town, I could see the way that "Born This Way" completely changed the discussion in the most conservative people I knew, even if that thought had existed since the 1800s.
That's why I don't know if I'd say it did more harm than good, because I don't know if I'd be comparing it in that way. It's a pretty complicated situation and to assign a moral value to it would make it seem like those who used that framework knowingly made their decision based on global change they couldn't predict.
it amazes me seeing this conversation in the US, where i live, Chile, homosexual is not considerd a bad word , at most a little outdated, like your mother would say that
Let it Go came into my life when I was entering art college in 2013. It helped me to express my talent more than before.
Show Yourself came into my life after I came out as bisexual in 2019. It still helps me when I need encouragement.
i saw your tweet already about this thumbnail, but i still snorted when the video showed up
it’s great 😭
I love it. everytime you say the little mermaid is gay, I say yes, and click.
Only slightly off-topic: Have you watched "crazy ex-girlfriend"?
Its such a great show with lots of musical-numbers.
Excellent video! Queer people and Jews have been integral to American musical theatre since the beginning. People who existed on that boundary between fitting in and not - if you changed your behavior and hid your true self, then the white majority would accept you… and they took the other option, to create art that existed on the boundary between reality and fantasy, where they could express themselves and their art and their music and find that freedom to be their true selves
I found myself very teary and seen when you said people’s first experience of musical theatre was watching Disney films as a kid. I’m an actor (not MT trained as I have zero coordination!) but could never really pin down where my love for theatre particularly came from. We went to panto (classic British staple!) and my granddad took us to see Grease in the West End when I was 4 (and mostly slept through it!) but we were never a ‘theatre going’ family. But this is why I ended up where I am. Because I was absolutely entranced, obsessed and overjoyed by Disney films. I’d watch them all the time as a kid and had every VHS going (yes, I’m old). Thank you for making me realise that. I always loved Belle’s reprise moment as a kid, and to this day Out There is one of my absolute favourite songs to sing. I was late coming out as bisexual, and oop, just having some gender crisis currently floating somewhere under the Nbi umbrella, but these songs and musicals continue to make my queer heart sing (and they were doing that before I even had any knowledge of the queer community). I guess it runs really deep! Thank you for this and all your other videos, I adore your work! 💜
Unfortunately, life interfered with my ability to email you, but I *did* want to say that while not the *first* - probably one of the most important and influential musical theatre experiences I had were the regular attendance to *Rocky Horror* as a teen. The freedom (and encouragement) of self-expression alone was something - *no one* - was ever able to convince me to 'undo' as a result.
I want songs, or villain songs?
How about villain "I want" songs?
Are there any? I think Scar's Be Prepared is kinda an "I want" song?
“Mine Mine Mine” from Pocahontas is one!
@@DreamsoundsVideo ooooh I think Claude Frollo's "Hellfire" is very much "I want" too!
I love the points you make like always!!! But I laughed at the thumbnail I'm sorry😭
This reminded me of that episode of Doctor Who where one of the characters was talking to Martha and the person said "oh, he's into musical theater", in reference to The Doctor.
ive always loved musical movies and in recent years begun to get into musical theater stuff a little, and man i just love it all. they really do say things that are otherwise unsaid and sound so beautiful while they do, and some of the songs really are so different from a queer perspective that i wish i could just send them to other people for them to understand, but obviously no one else is in my head to see them how i do. and i grew up with disney, so of course most of the musicals and musical songs i know are disney
The I want songs were never something I particularly picked up on as a kid, but now that I'm older and I know that I'm trans, as well as having watched these videos, listening to them really just makes my heart swell with so much emotion. sadness and longing yes but so much hope and love and sense of community
Surprised you uploaded today! I discovered you in my recommended and binged the channel a bit.
I only figured out I was bi a few years ago and these songs are so much more meaningful to me now. Looking back it makes sense why i akways resonated so much with them.
as a queer ive really found a lot of validation in ancient theater and queer history. i know its probably not what you were refrencing in this video, but the origins and development of the characterization of the god dionysus in the ancient and modern world as a greek queer has really let me have a lot of fun with my own identity rather than fear it.
Your videos are always so fantastically researched! I've recently spent a lot of time thinking about my queerness in relation to theatre (after all, theatre was something I spent nearly a decade doing). It's nice to look at those experiences through a historical lens
I havent watched the video but i will- just wanna say i laughed at the thumbnail cuz its a very nice way of saying "if you grew up listening to musicals you are gay" meanwhile my transfemme girlfriend calls themself evil and that singing isnt evil!!!!!! Hahaha
You have an amazing way of talking, I love hearing you talk about Disney, even though I personally dislike Disney
Yes 😊 My Dreamsound fix. Thanks for posting a video ❤️
I adore the vibe of your videos
I'm so behind on this but I've noticed Pinocchio is often associated with queer masc self-actualization stories. Is this, within any scope of cultural awareness in the world, a common thing? I was surprised to see "I've Got No Strings" listed within this video that it just reminded me of this pattern I hope to god I'm not just seeing out of nowhere lol...
Yes!
Beautiful ♡
great video
🌼🌻🌹
Not every Disney musical is “gay”. Depends on the movie. Be prepared isn’t a gay song. Whole new World isn’t gay. Also I am not gay and I like Disney musicals. I like other musicals like Little Shop of Horrors and Blues Brothers.
"queer" oof that voice. no thanks. dude.