THIS is the Future of Sim Racing
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:34 Positives
4:17 Negatives
5:55 Conclusion
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For anyone on the fence about vr at all. I just got a Vive Cosmos for 200 bucks like new off ebay and it's freaking phenominal for sim racing.
Oof glad it works for you. Mine was riddled with issues.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad sorry dude! I had issues at first im not gonna lie, but for me it was worth the experience, especially for the price
Great Video, I've been racing on a Valve index for years now. The immersion is 2nd to none in VR, but can be taken away if there's a screen door effect or massive discomfort. The Index isn't overly heavy, but I think the pimax has a higher FOV. I've gone back and fourth btw triples and VR in the past and think I'm stuck in VR, I just couldn't get my car placement on triples as consistently as I can in VR. You're absolutely right about the hot factor tho, I have a fan pointed directly at me for races.
Actually, the FOV in the Pimax Crystal is less than that of the Index (you might be thinking of the Pimax 8kx). Even the Quest 3 looks miles better than the Index visually, the Index's resolution was outdated when the HMD came out (Vive Pro and Samsung Odyssey already had the same resolution as the Index).
If you can get the Quest 3 close to your eyes, the FOV gets closer to that of the Index but with much better visuals.
@@jackr.749 ah gotcha
@jackr.749 i have tried a few different for sim racing, but always went back to index for fov and fps consistency. I agree the resolution and displays are dated, I've been looking for something that matches what i like about the index to replace it. Unfortunately i haven't found the right combo of (fov, fps, s/w and res) that is worth replacing the index
@@TheAirun17 Good point, the Index is a great HMD, just not enough resolution for myself (it's sitting in the corner in it's box) and the Pancake optics of the Quest 3 are unreal, I think I never want to buy another fresnel lens HMD ever again. LOL
For racing, my go to HMD is the Reverb G2v2, I use mostly for racing and MSFS, the Quest 3 I use upstairs mostly for general VR gaming but have tried it with the racing sims. It's actually very close to the G2 in visuals but just with a HUGE sweet spot and edge to edge clarity. :)
@@jackr.749 I haven't tried the quest 3, but I did own a reverb g2 for a while, the resolution was amazing, but the fov was noticeably a problem coming from an index and good god did I hate the software it came with. I'll have to look into the v2 and see the difference.
How long could i race with a vr system? 2 or 3 hours, or could i use it connected to charger?
So you are saying we should go for the big screen beyond for sim racing?
A lot of VR haters for some reason, but it's by far my favorite way to race. Getting a sense of depth is HUGE for rallying and leads to better times for me.
Using the Quest 3 and the resolution is at a good level for now, PC performance is what needs to catch up because even with an RTX 3090 and 7700X I'd love to have an extra 40%+ more frames at the graphic settings I want.
The Quest 3 is IMO in a good sweetspot with the current hardware while Pimax headsets are asking for GPUs that doesn't exist yet.
I only race in VR, if people hate on VR they can hate, it's not for everyone, a lot of the population suffers from motion sickness. People complain about weight I just take it as this is my helmet. I even put on a balaclava just for immersion but also for sweat. Sure it gets sweaty after a 6 hour endurance race but I love it, my brain gives me feelings and signals it can't with a flatscreen, it feels too much like a game and I take more risks than I wouldn't have.
@@VinVanishwhat games do you play. I love acc, but in vr i dont like it. I do play dirt 2 what i like a lot. Am2 is fun for a race or two. But still seeking for the best game like acc
@@jmijnen Depending on yours specs ACC will always just not look good unreal engine doesn't do it justice but you can make it look okay.. it's one of the only sims I play, I play majority of sims out there with VR support. Iracing included. There's some tutorials out there to make VR look better but don't expect it to drastically change you get use to how ugly it is.
They hate what they can not afford...it's simple as that.
HTC Vive Pro: 1440x1600, waste
Quest3: 2060x2200, clear but meshy, "drunk" latency due to streaming from PC, not good for racing, ok for flying.
HP Reverb G2: 2100x2100 (4.4M pixels to drive), super clear 1/3 center of screen, non-fatigue / lightweight, super cheap (200-300$), no latency, ideal for racing
BigscreenVR: 2560x2560 (6.5M pixels to drive), 2/3 clear screen, super colors, super-lightweight (1/4 of others, just goggles), ideal for simracing on motion platforms, $900+$200
Pimax Crystal: 2880x2800 (8.3M pixels to drive) super clear, super heavy, super expensive - 3x wasted ($1500)
Pimax Crystal light: 2880x2800 (8.3M pixels to drive) super clear, ok heavy but you will need super-expensive 4090 to run it, coz of missing eye tracking (foveated rendering reduces quality of areas you are not looking at).
For anyone wanting immersion then nothing beats VR, I remember the first time I tried VR in my sim rig I pulled into the pits and reached for the door handle to get out of the car at that point my mind was blown! Another time I went to grab the handbrake that simply wasn't there.
For immersion nothing beats VR and I'll go back to it one day in the future but for me the biggest downside of VR is it's so resource heavy needing a monster GPU to run it with all the graphical bells and whistles games offer these days, if you are happy to turn down all graphics options you can get away with running it on lesser GPUs
what pp filter were you using in assetto corsa in VR?
As good as the picture is..the uncomfortability makes it a no buy for me, I'm fine with my Quest 3
Pimax is long known for bad quality control and these new models are no exception from what I keep reading. Their whole model to selling these is RUclips affiliate links hard to find someone who does not have them at this point lol and a few that make a video about it almost on daily basis.
Nah, they're good ime. Had an 8kx for almost 4 years now. No problems physically just the software requires a little extra tinkering compared to others, but is much better now than at launch.
Had more problems with valve index controllers breaking.
Quest 3 had been serving me well. I have an interest in Big Screen vr
what's the map at 0:40?
Weird that they had you do a review of their old heavy model with the battery packs when they announced the Crystal Light semi-recently. Hopefully you get an early hands on the next iteration!
Nice video. Thank you for the vr content.
Worst headset in existence for software , comfort , weight and size . Great picture but that don't make up for the rest.
Hopefully the crystal lite maybe fixes the last three of those complaints
@smallbutdeadly931 but none of the benefits either.
Shit picture and fov
@jht8367 there just isnt the technology right now, to make a great picture and big fov without these issues.
I didn’t have much of a problem with the software. Though it’s not anything crazy, it did what I needed it to do. I agree with the weight (as I mentioned in the video), the size was definitely on the bigger size. Ultimately though, the picture and performance was great for sim racing. For other general VR use, id imagine there are better options for the money though.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j It isn't a big fov , It's more or less the same as an index , the BFOV lenses aren't yet available and the reviews of them from content creators do not recommend them.
There's no way in hell you are running this pimax at its full res. Not even a 4090 could do this. That said, I've always wanted to try one of these. But at a grand you're probably better off with the big screen beyond. Much lighter, generally better optics. Though I will give you the pimax's advantage when it comes to max fps.
I have triple 24" screens, but I bought a used Acer mixed reality VR for $50 Canadian. I use the triples on a regular daily basis, especially if I don't have a lot of time to race, but if I want to have a session, especially in Dirt Rally 2.0, VR is so.amazing.
Get a better headset man!! You are missing out a lot with this old headset.
@@gerardsitja or try rsf rbr in vr, should be able to increase resolution sampling/scaling and graphics is not that gpu hungry
Have you had any problems with you Monza after a some years? Love your vids keep em coming
I would suggest a valve index if it's just for sim racing based on what I seen and heard. I use a quest 2 currently but will be upgrading to an index for my sim rig. I am also making the jump to a valve index for sim racing after having a VR crash in the ocss daytona 10 hour race this year but we don't gotta talk about that lmao. ART M Power shall live on forever
Never buy an Index in 2024. Its outdated hardware and severely lacks resolution. Best headset so far is Quest3 as an overall package. Pretty much same FOV, much higher resolution, much better lenses. If you run it with a powered usb cable you can use it without any charging issues and you can almost entirely eliminate compression (i run it at 800mbit)
@@MrCamel254 thanks but sim racing isn't all about highest resolution. Fps matters just as much as graphical fidelity when it comes to VR sim racing
@@mbgmadbull1141
You can run the Quest3 at lower resolution. You cant increase the resolution of optics of the Index. The Index is just overpriced ancient hardware in 2024, sorry.
I don't understand why you didn't mention that there is a LIGHT version coming out next month, it has no need for the battery and is much lighter overall. Plus its only 699 bucks!
Thanks for letting me know! As you know i don’t focus on VR so I actually didn’t even know! I was just speaking about this headsets performance in sim racing throughout this video
@@OCRacing you should reach out to pimax for an experience with the light, it would be cool if you could get both the non local dimming and local dimming (same as crystal non-light) and compare if the local dimming is worth it for sims.
@OCRacing yeah well that don't help me know what's happening in 2034
While I understand that the in-car immersion experience is unrivaled when it comes to playing in VR, there's so many things that is breaks immersion in elsewhere that really needs to be considered when going down the VR route...Imagine all the money you've spent on your rig, all the endless hours placing your button boxes, mapping your wheels and monitor/monitors to be where you want them and angled how you want, only to have all of that thrown away because of going down the VR route. Even with someone like myself with just a profile rig, TV and direct drive wheel, nothing takes away the enjoyment of me getting into my seat, turning on all my buttons, lights, dashes, button boxes and wheel etc and starting the car up and taking it out on track...I can't imagine you would have any of this immersion at all with a VR headset on because...well...you can't see any of it, you'd be going off of muscle memory alone...
I do get VR...I get it, I get the excitement it gives...But I still don't think we're quite there yet for it to be super mind blowing and revolutionary...I'd happily enjoy the effort I've gone to setting up my rig and the countless hours I've put into it for the sakes of looking around my bedroom in a virtual world...Obviously I've said is all subjective at the end of the day and it's owners preference. 🙂
Still enjoyed the video nonetheless. Good to see another video from you OC Racing.
Put it this way for you, my rig is simple for VR so it's great for people on a budget I use buttons and things that's pretty universal for every car but seeing the real dash in front of you of your favorite car gives off the same sorta feeling that I can touch it but obviously not it's not there. For people that love equipment in sim racing VR wouldn't be for them. There's a market for both and I love the fact we can race how we want to race with the equipment we can get our hands on.
This post misses the mark so badly. Top gear isn’t about what it looks like, it’s about how it FEELS. To your point, when you’re on your rig you see everything you’ve set up. In VR, the only thing you see is the racing world. I’m sorry but that’s the definition of immersion to me.
Your comment does not make any sense
@@PITAH1 Then I recommend reading lessons, your comment is unnecessary if you don't understand what I'm saying. Why comment at all? I'll make it simple for you.
When in VR you don't need fancy looking equipment.
Non VR: Fancy equipment feels nice and looks nice but unnecessary when in VR cause you can't see it.
@@VinVanish
I totally get why you would be hesitant to make the switch to VR if you have put a ton of work into making your rig look like a race car interior. I’ve built my rig around the usage of VR. Placing my peripherals in such a way that muscle memory is good enough to not result in scrapped knuckles. I’ve kept it simple with just an h pattern, sequential and handbrake. An ignition switch and engine start button integrated into my front mount plate. I also only need 3 wheels. A 300mm round for rally, a gt/formula rim and a 340mm round for classic cars and drifting. I can imagine how satisfying it is for you to sit down and fire everything up but then the process and appearance is the same for every car. I get to see the dials and gauges fire up differently for every car I get in and my wheels mean it feels accurate to each car.
It’s all down to what you want, what you are used to, and what you like.
Get the quest 3. I know very little about pc/windows. Quest 3 was pretty much plug n play with my 12700 and 3070ti
Great review. To me - and I'm a VR2/console user, just sayin') the Pimax is way too complex and fiddly in physical design. It's massive and bulky, too, and overly fiddly to get the settings right, from other reviews I've seen. Boosted Media points to those issues.
It's too much a Heath-Robinson, or Frankenstein-like design. But, to give credit, when dialled-in, it does appear to be fantastic. All things considered, I don't think too many people could be bothered with faffing about, though.
EDIT: As others in this thread have commented, the Big Screen Beyond is the total opposite.
Love vr but it’s very heavy good vid oc!
I can't agree with you. The future of sim racing (in my humble opinion) is where Bigscreen Beyond is going. The biggest problem for VR adoption is the weight and discomfort which some people can't sacrifice. Pimax offers a VR headset which lifts up yet another bar on the ladder in terms of visual quality (better resolution, better refresh rate). But that is just a step further, not a milestone - where what Bigscreen Beyond already achieved is a big milestone. I believe that further development in that area would allow to squeeze even higher resolution in such compact headset
The BSB isn't heavy, but many reported they don't like the comfort, tiny sweetspot and especially the glare issue. Many people also got custom IPD and facial interface not matching. I personally don't want a rubber seal in VR and even prefer a nose gap to see stuff around like keyboard and phone and get some fresh air from my wind sim.
@@Leynad778 completely agree with you - BSB isn't without problems but my point was that there's where the "future" of sim racing VR is (in my opinion). with the time sweetspot would be increased, the glare could be eliminated and face pouch might be improved. The big step they made is crazy considering the weight. In case of Pimax Crystal - is just an upgrade to product like Reverb G2
Not sure about bsb, btw racing helmet also not a most comfortable thing to wear)
@@GUN69_They should release a headset with simple IPD slider and make the custom face gasket an option, not mandatory. This would also allow to return the device without 25% loss and sell it easier, so less buyer hesitation.
Weight isn’t a big problem for VR when it comes to racing/fight sims.
The VR headsets weigh the same has helmets. So if you want a true “sim experience” then you need some weight.
My dumbass bought a vr headset for SIM racing.... Before the wheel
Too much resolution for my RTX2080, and a new graphics card also means a new PSU and PC case (doesn't fit in the old HAF X)... and if I add it all up together with a Crystal and necessary RTX4090 than I conclude that PC VR gaming is for the filthy rich.
I swear OC Racing has access to my browsing history. They always put out a video on something I am considering. I've been researching this for the past week but haven't made a decision as yet.
Do it brother! Quest 3 is best bang for your buck. Give you plenty of options for pcvr (wired or wireless) and also great standalone headset by itself. If u want to save some money to test the waters, u could grab a quest 2 for less than $150 nowadays. But if you have some good hardware in ur pc, I couldn’t recommend the q3 any more! The resolution bump for q2 to q3 was HUGE and makes a really big differences especially for sim racing
@@LilScotty10 Thanks for the information and recommendation. I was reviewing the Quest 3 and Pimax. I will mainly be using it for Sim racing (maybe some flight Sim) so I am not too worried about the weight of the Pimax. The cost, ease of use (software) were my concerns. I think things have improved by now though, from a software point of view. I also think they are bringing out a new device (can't remember the name now) that will make it wireless. I built my PC a few months ago with the latest and greatest components so it should be able to handle it. I have the PS VR 1 & 2 so I have some experience with VR.
@@soccersensation I started my vr journey back on the psvr1 and it’s crazy to see how far vr has come since then in such little time! But I wish you well on this next endeavor, no matter what u decide it’s going to be a huge upgrade💪🏽
pls review the PSVR2 on Gran Turismo 7 (on PS5)
Agreed, but I guess it's all about getting eyes. I own a VR2, too, but compared to the PC VR market it must be kinda niche.
can you review the PXN V12 lite Direct Drive
Oscar get ready for the 100k face reveal fr 😮💨
Big fan OC
Im a huge fan of the racing bean
Haha
So the crystal light will be an amazing deal for simmers.
Please test the Quest 3. It is awesome.
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GET THE CAMERA
@@OCRacing GUYS THIS IS A RARE OCCASION
@OC Racing yo you should try Beamng Drive sometime, comes with VR support and it is just on steam
VR motion to photon latency will always be a problem. The lighthouse system tracks your head at best 60hz...with re-projection math taking up additional time in the GPU frame calculation cycle. All in all when you move your head there is 16 to 30 ms of delay.....huge difference from triples where grey to grey time of monitors is now approaching 0.01ms for top end QOLED screens. In racing; latency matters. No pro's use VR. I think this is why. Immersion yes. Competitive No.
oled triples are close to 4000 dollars in canada. so at some point cost vs gain will come into play for most people. i swapped out my dell 32" triples for one oled 49" g9 but also use a quest 3. depends on how important visual quality to someone. i would say triple oleds would be the best way to go but huge cost. for reference that im not a cheap ass i have a $4k pc, $5k worth of simagic stuff, momo daytona seat, and a bunch of other stuff. will be adding sfx-150 next. quest 3 works awesome for the cost.
Def not the future lol also vr in general isnt. Many end up going bsck to normal racing because of the intesity and brain fatigue and other issues when doing vr for long periods.
Quest 3 on top of
If you call that the future, you should definitely look into the Somnoim vr1 when that comes to order
just buy a quest 3 youll thank yourself
crystal looks way better just expensive tbh
$1,600. doesnt use oled panels. pass
Claim your early ticket here
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Q3 is very nice for sim racing. ESP in ams2 it’s unreal. Maxed 90hz looks amazing
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I am waiting for someone to figure out how to use that new Apple headset as a racing VR headset. It looks like it would work really well. You might need to switch to Apple PC too... I don't know anything, I am just saying... My eye doctor already told me to forget about VR.
This is barely a review, looks more like an ad for the product
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I could use some bacon right about now
First this time!
Nah 4 mins ago some other lad has 2
4 mins is before 2 mins?
@davy_edits nah my bad it said urs was 2 his was 4
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I was second last time so I will gladly take it 😁
Bias and paid review
Games will get more and more trash as time goes on.