Burning Questions About The Pickle Pot
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2017
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In this video, Professor John Ahr of the Online Jewelry Academy answers the question burning in the minds of many viewers. "Can I pickle different metals together in the same pickle pot?"
Be sure to place your pickle pot in a well ventilated area. Always wear protective clothing and eye protection when working with your pickle pot. And, use tongs or other non-ferrous tools whenever placing items in the pickle pot or removing them. In short, take every precaution necessary to protect your health whenever you work on a jewelry project. And remember, "jewelers do it with hot pickle."
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Why I recommend OJA? You are so professional AND on patreon. You tube has all these stupid safety rules but OJA gives real life things you SHOULD do. These people are experienced and know what they are saying.
Hi Geoff, Thanks for the shout out. We appreciate your support! : )
I approached the 'pickle pot' differently because I have some chemistry experience and my first concern with a warm sodium bisulphate solution is one of containment. Since crock pots aren't perfectly sealed, the energy of the warm solution will force it to escape into the surrounding workspace--and react with whatever is nearby. So my approach is to keep the pickle sealed up tightly in acid-resistant Nalgene labware, and only warm up what I heed in a microwave in my shop. I heat the solution within two nested and sealed containers so nothing escapes into to the air. Also, one thing about putting two different metals in a crock pot--due to a galvanic reaction, the more "noble" metal will cause baser metals to react in the pickle solution, For instance, when a piece of gold and copper are put into solution, the gold will steal electrons from the copper over time, and copper ions leave the metal surface and enter the solution. Eventually, this may dissolve some of the copper and turn the solution blue-green (CuSO4).
Hi Kurt, We always enjoy your comments. Just curious as to where in the country you are located.
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Thanks John. I realize my comments are a little outside the norm--but I hope they're thought-provoking. I am located near Seattle.
Absolutely Kurt, I got tired of my burrs being slowly eroded due to the proximity to the pickle about 20 years ago and rarely plug it in. Imagine what it's doing to your lungs. I occasionally am in a "while you wait" situation and will plug in the pot. I will get some of this glassware you speak of, it is a good idea. Along with the cadmium bearing solders, cyanide stripping and acid refining I've done over the last 32 years I'm amazed I can still breathe!
Nalgene also makes labware that's made from acid-resistant plastics. They have screw-tops and gradations along the side. Those are the ones I used--I found them on Amazon.
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Thank you Professor! I just moved from NY to California and am setting up my little jewelry working area in the new apartment. I went online last night to buy some pickle powder and have used white vinegar up until now. I'm going to catch up on your videos today.
Welcome to California Susan. I'm so glad that you discovered the OJA. You will find our complete playlist on our website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com There you will find all of the OJA's videos conveniently grouped by category. We have a few that cover pickle pot set-up and spent pickle disposal.
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You are the best Professor Ahr!! So your organization is in California? I didn't realize that! How cool. Well, as soon as I get working and a little extra money, I will contribute to your academy. I think you are the best, really. Have a great day!
Hi Susan, Yes, we film in Hollywood, CA. Thank you for the compliment.
Hi John, Thanks for the videos really appreciate them. Do you have any videos on soldering platinum and palladium. Or ingot forming on the two metals ? thanks : )
Glad you are enjoying the videos. The OJA doesn't have any videos on how to work with platinum or palladium. We tend to focus on creating videos for beginners with limited access to resources. Working with platinum/palladium is an entirely different working in silver. This link ought to be helpful to you: www.platinumguild.com/platinum-training/training/technical-education/technical-resources Good luck with your creative pursuits.
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Thanks matey appreciate your help. I'll buy you a pint of beer when you next visit England :)
Superb advice
Glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for watching and commenting. 😀
Hi Sir, great video, thank you for explaining that we can pickle different metals simultaneously.
I do have a question about the pickle pot in the video,
As far as no steel policy is concerned,
I noticed that the glass cover of the pot has a steel rim on it,
and the plastic nob on top of the cover is probably fastened with a steel screw?
(I've bought one just like that, I'm using vinegar + salt at the moment, I was going to change to Sparex No.2 but not yet)
are those stainless steel parts going to effect the pickle solution in a bad way? (Sparax No.2)
Do let me know,
Thank you.
First, glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching. You are correct that the lid is secured with stainless steel parts. Stainless steel is actually fine in and around a pickle pot. But, I always discourage students from putting anything stainless in their pickle pots. This is because the stainless steel is harder than silver or gold and can scrape against a piece and force you to have to correct the scratches. Please do not invest in Sparex. It is terrible. It stinks and creates sticky vapors that will ruin things in your studio. Use Sodium Bisulfate instead. You can find it at any pool or spa supply store. 😀
What kind of detergent is used with your brass brush?
Sorry I'm still getting the hang of my phone and the auto correct changes...
Hi Renee, I didn't really understand your question. I wasn't sure what you meant by "bff". When you brass brush, you just use water and a drop or two of any liquid detergent. I generally perform the action on a food tray so I don't scratch the counter surface. I hope that answered your question.
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Thank you, but pls, enlighten me: is the inner part of a crock pot you using made of ceramic? As it is not at all a popular item around where I live, I was wondering? I find there are alluminium and stainless steel versions as well... I have an old thai rice cooker, will it do the job?
You need a slow cooker not a rice cooker. A ceramic crock interior is preferable. If you cannot find a ceramic crock pot, you could place a glass or ceramic container inside a metal lined slow cooker to create a “double boiler”. In other words, you need to warm the interior ceramic/glass container in a water bath. Just don’t allow the liquid in either vessel to boil. Also, the stainless steel slow cooker could work. Good luck with setting up your pickle pot. 🍀
We all say I know better and fooyey. OJA has been there and done that ( most likely to their regret). When they say something should be done, listen.
Hey Geoff, Glad you liked the video.
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Hot pot, (slow cooker,) lid problem
Hi John I noticed that you have a similar pickle heater to one that I have. I found that every so often my pickle was getting contaminated and I couldn’t understand why. Then it dawned on me that the acid condenses on the inside of the lid of the pickle pot. When I lift the lid off the condensation runs over the stainless-steel rim that is around the edge of the lid and back into the pot. The bolt that holds the knob on the lid is also stainless steel. I very carefully cut the rim off the lid and wound electrical insulation tape around the edge of the glass to protect it. I replaced the knob bolt with a nylon bolt and I haven’t had the contamination problem since. I found that the problem crept up on me with my work getting greyer and greyer until I had to replace the pickle. Now I just have to top it up. There must be a lot of folks that have this contamination problem but simply don’t realise why. I hope this helps you. Kind Regards . . . Andy
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I use the brass brush to burnish after pickling but what is the liquid detergent for?
Have you ever thought that your piece looked like it was made of brass rather than copper or silver? Well, that's what the bit of liquid detergent prevents. It lubricates your brass brush so that it slides over your piece rather than rub off on it. Try it. I'm sure you'll find that your results are improved.
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How can I tell if my pickle solution has gone bad if I accidentally put in my steel tweezers into the pot for a split second or two?
A quick dip of your steel tweezers into the pickle probably would not ruin it. You can test the solution by putting a piece of scrap silver into it. If after a few minutes the piece of scrap silver appears plated with copper, you will need to change the solution. 🙂
Hello John, Can you tell me how Caustic vinegar and salt pickle is? I have stage 4 COPD and was told I have lung cancer on Monday. I felt some lung issues while using it today. Did I get it too hot? Also I'm trying to cap a bear claw and having a hard time with the cap. The solder wont flow to the joint (1 inch long) and the piece melts. Am I heating too fast? Would it help to solder the inside so I can get the heat under the piece? Thanks for your videos. Great help for sure.
You essentially answered your own questions. If the pickle is irritating your lungs, don’t heat it and only use it in a well ventilated area. If your piece is melting while you’re soldering, you’re probably using too much heat. Clean the piece thoroughly and try again with less heat. Soldering can be very tricky as you know. Not oxidizing the solder in heat is a good idea. Sorry to hear that you’re dealing with a major health issue.
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Thank you kind Sir. It's so nice of you to reply so quickly. Another question please. Is holding the piece with Alligator clips causing a hot spot? The piece melted where it was held by the clip. Dumb question probably John. Sorry. I just seem to be having some trouble with this cone. Is a 1 inch joint too long? Also did you say your birds nest is made of Bailing wire? Thank you so much and many blessings.
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Yes, the birds nest is made from baling wire. Without seeing the setup, I’m not sure where the problem lies. Steel holding devices generally draw heat away from the object. Be sure to keep your flame moving. 😉
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy That's what I thought about the clip Sir. I think I had this same failure way back when. LOL Thank you once again.
Excelent
I am getting a brown substance around the edges and floating in my pickle pot. Do you have any idea what is causing that and how do I prevent it? I tried a piece of silver and it didn't copper plate. It's oily feeling.
My best guess is that you aren’t using Sodium Bisulfate in your pickle pot. You need to change the solution in your pickle pot. The OJA has a video on how to safely dispose of spent (or contaminated) pickle pot solution. Once you’ve changed your solution, lightly anneal the silver and pickle it. Using a Sodium Bisulfate solution should help you to avoid this problem in the future. 😉
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Thank you. I was using Sparex.
@@annkleckner9488 I thought so. I can’t stand Sparex.
If you don't want to use pickle acid. Just use an alum-water solution to the boiling point...it does the same and doesn't burn or make holes. GOOD LUCK! 100% BIOLOGIC !!!
The same solution works really well for removing broken drill bits from metal projects. Thanks for sharing your comment.
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I make stainless jewelry. What is the best way to remove fire scale from it?
Hi Debbie, I have zero experience with working with stainless steel. Sorry. I'm sure that you'll find a solution on RUclips. I'm just not the one who has it. Good luck!