It also occurred to me that Professor M. A. R. Barker with Empire of the Petal Throne has also done something similar. There was the RPG, Empire of the Petal Throne; then he came out with a miniature line (EPT Miniatures) and a wargame rules set that took place in the World of Tekumel (Legions of the Petal Throne) and followed up with two supplements and Tekumel army lists; he also wrote several novels that take place in the setting, and finally he also had a boardgame called War of the Wizards (which he published and then was published by TSR); so again, the Dragonbond concept is a concept from the past, and not the future of role playing games.
I appreciate your innovative meta-view of gaming as complementary ways/approaches to enjoying underlying content. I look forward to the full trilogy of your perspective(s). TY
Okay, this looks ambitious. Going for the board game, wargame and ttrpg scenes with one setting from the get go's interesting to say the least. Looking forward to the other parts and perhaps you can cover fabula ultima which i heard is a beloved ttrpg take on jrpgs partially inspired by Ryuutama but allows high fantasy, natural fantasy as a way to describe the fantasy ryuutama's trying to achieve and science fantasy. Also word is Free League's gonna release their take on lotr for 5e.
@@ZombieDish Hi! Also next year we will launch a Kickstarter campaign for the starter set for the Drabondon: Battles of Valerna Wargame, so you can follow us on our SM to see how that project is going!
I honestly couldn't care less about yet another setting for 5e. I'm done supporting companies/authors that fail to see beyond D&D and jump into the hype wagon without realizing this is terrible for the hobby. There are plenty of systems out there that could benefit from agnostic setting material with rich lore and interesting content.
Idk, pathfinder and osrs get ks/patreon 3rd party support as well. The problem with going system agnostic is that it needs a reference (via supporting a system like 5e, pf2e, osrs and pbta) to give gms a clear idea on how monsters, items, player features and more work out mechanically. Without that reference, that rich lore you would have won't do much when the gm wants to do an encounter. Sure they could reflavor monsters, items and features but not everyone is capable of doing so (at least not without making the reflavored entity in question weak or op to the detriment of the table). Also bear in mind, some gms don't take all of the rich lore. Some even dont want to touch setting books in favor of making their own.
Of course somebody just HAS to whine about 5e in the comments lmao Hey if you're not interested in 5e maybe don't watch a video about a 5e product. Dave covers different fantasy systems all the time, I'm sure you can find something else you like in his other videos. Also if you want agnostic setting material you can just... read the book and ignore the state blocks? The agnostic setting and lore information is provided right in the book for you to read, why do you care that it also has info specific to 5e GMs? Whining and stamping your feet in the comments just makes you look like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
@@SirWeirdGuy there wasn't any indication this was a 5E product, the title is actually extremely misleading tbf. But I'm sorry that someone else's opinions triggers you so badly.
@@rpgchronicler specific system support could be provided as a PDF or a booklet, in which case it would be the best of both worlds. But I'm sure you know how much this little "5E" red badge in front of the book means in terms of sales. This is a deliberate business decision hoping to appeal to a mainstream group of TTRPG players, and this is what I'm speaking against. As for the preferences I think you are right, some people prefer lore-light settings so they can build upon easily. But it doesn't hurt to have the lore provided as you can always choose not to use all of it, if you so chose.
We appreciate the honest comment and is something that definitely is in our minds when working and developing dragonbond. As we see it at this moment, 5e is the best way to showcase the entirety of the Dragonbond Universe to a broader audience, we are making some changes to it, adjusting as we see fit, and, who knows, maybe later there's the possibility of using a whole different system, but right now, we believe this is the best way to release the setting, its rules, and its fantastic content for the entire world.
seems a lot like Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer 40k.Seems like a new take on the games workshop model from the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately their RPG kida died and the war game is pretymuch all that is left :(
There's the new 40k Wrath & Glory TTRPG which Cubicle 7 have taken over the licence for in the last few years. They've definitely improved it from initial release. I've ran sessions that my players really enjoyed and while it's not made any waves, I think it's worth looking at before writing it off.
Have you ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons? It is an RPG. The D & D Battle System was the "Wargame" aspect of the game. The D&D Miniatures line was the collectable/usable miniature figure aspect of the game. Dungeon! and now the Wrath of Ashardalon and similar board games is the board game aspect of the game. One D & D will be the digital version of the game. So, no, Dragonbond is not the future of RPGs, but it may be a contemporary take on the past of RPGs.
To be fair, in the early days, role-playing was formative and not well understood, so the role-playing was not fully differentiated. Now, the gaming form factors are better understood, but they are not typically adjacent nor integrated. The boardgame you mention shares setting but not much else, so it has some adjacency to the role-playing. In Dragonbond, it sounds like the company is deliberately linking the various gaming form factors into an integrated whole. If they succeed, the additional form factors could be great complements to the role-playing experience (or however one prefers to look at the integration). Separate but equal?
@@DaveThaumavore It is one of the first tabletop role playing games, and they have done everything that Dragonbond has done, but they did it years and years ago. It looks like Dragonbond is copying the old TSR business model (note the "Dragons" in the name 'Dragonbond', like the 'Dragons' in "Dungeons and Dragons). Dragons are quite popular, as The Game of Thrones proved recently.
@@joerama yeah agreed, it’s a deliberate approach to something that has been sort of done in the past. Probably not “separate but equal” since that phrase refers to a legal doctrine of racial segregation in America that has since been abolished. 😅
@@joerama Wizards of the Coast looks like they are integrating and using adjacent forms in their next "edition" of D&D (One D&D), where the digital will be much more interrelated with their other products, which will likely be a compliment to the RPG experience. TSR was putting out products over the course of many years, and so these products were not as integrated as they would likely have been if they were all produced at the same time. They were also inventing many of the things that companies today take for granted. I suspect that the spacing out of their projects was partly a matter of the lack of working capital when the game was created.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I wish you'd go back to just having your voiceovers. I love your videos, but I find having someone talking in the corner of the screen incredibly distracting, plus pretty much every other channel I love, from RPGs to boardgames to comics, just has voiceovers. Having an onscreen narrator adds nothing to a video...
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They did this with L5R years ago - - CCG, RPG, and a miniature wargame with interchangeable characters and very similar core stats.
It also occurred to me that Professor M. A. R. Barker with Empire of the Petal Throne has also done something similar. There was the RPG, Empire of the Petal Throne; then he came out with a miniature line (EPT Miniatures) and a wargame rules set that took place in the World of Tekumel (Legions of the Petal Throne) and followed up with two supplements and Tekumel army lists; he also wrote several novels that take place in the setting, and finally he also had a boardgame called War of the Wizards (which he published and then was published by TSR); so again, the Dragonbond concept is a concept from the past, and not the future of role playing games.
I appreciate your innovative meta-view of gaming as complementary ways/approaches to enjoying underlying content. I look forward to the full trilogy of your perspective(s). TY
Thanks for the great overview of Dragonbond! We are so excited for the next release.
Okay, this looks ambitious. Going for the board game, wargame and ttrpg scenes with one setting from the get go's interesting to say the least.
Looking forward to the other parts and perhaps you can cover fabula ultima which i heard is a beloved ttrpg take on jrpgs partially inspired by Ryuutama but allows high fantasy, natural fantasy as a way to describe the fantasy ryuutama's trying to achieve and science fantasy.
Also word is Free League's gonna release their take on lotr for 5e.
What's "natural" fantasy? How's it different from just high fantasy?
what do you do if you dont have access to a 3D printer but want to play the war game stuff?
There’s a link in the video description of a site where you can buy the models preprinted.
@@DaveThaumavore I missed that. Thank you.
@@ZombieDish Hi! Also next year we will launch a Kickstarter campaign for the starter set for the Drabondon: Battles of Valerna Wargame, so you can follow us on our SM to see how that project is going!
Awesome!
I honestly couldn't care less about yet another setting for 5e. I'm done supporting companies/authors that fail to see beyond D&D and jump into the hype wagon without realizing this is terrible for the hobby. There are plenty of systems out there that could benefit from agnostic setting material with rich lore and interesting content.
Idk, pathfinder and osrs get ks/patreon 3rd party support as well. The problem with going system agnostic is that it needs a reference (via supporting a system like 5e, pf2e, osrs and pbta) to give gms a clear idea on how monsters, items, player features and more work out mechanically. Without that reference, that rich lore you would have won't do much when the gm wants to do an encounter. Sure they could reflavor monsters, items and features but not everyone is capable of doing so (at least not without making the reflavored entity in question weak or op to the detriment of the table).
Also bear in mind, some gms don't take all of the rich lore. Some even dont want to touch setting books in favor of making their own.
Of course somebody just HAS to whine about 5e in the comments lmao
Hey if you're not interested in 5e maybe don't watch a video about a 5e product. Dave covers different fantasy systems all the time, I'm sure you can find something else you like in his other videos. Also if you want agnostic setting material you can just... read the book and ignore the state blocks? The agnostic setting and lore information is provided right in the book for you to read, why do you care that it also has info specific to 5e GMs?
Whining and stamping your feet in the comments just makes you look like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
@@SirWeirdGuy there wasn't any indication this was a 5E product, the title is actually extremely misleading tbf. But I'm sorry that someone else's opinions triggers you so badly.
@@rpgchronicler specific system support could be provided as a PDF or a booklet, in which case it would be the best of both worlds. But I'm sure you know how much this little "5E" red badge in front of the book means in terms of sales. This is a deliberate business decision hoping to appeal to a mainstream group of TTRPG players, and this is what I'm speaking against.
As for the preferences I think you are right, some people prefer lore-light settings so they can build upon easily. But it doesn't hurt to have the lore provided as you can always choose not to use all of it, if you so chose.
We appreciate the honest comment and is something that definitely is in our minds when working and developing dragonbond. As we see it at this moment, 5e is the best way to showcase the entirety of the Dragonbond Universe to a broader audience, we are making some changes to it, adjusting as we see fit, and, who knows, maybe later there's the possibility of using a whole different system, but right now, we believe this is the best way to release the setting, its rules, and its fantastic content for the entire world.
seems a lot like Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer 40k.Seems like a new take on the games workshop model from the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately their RPG kida died and the war game is pretymuch all that is left :(
You should check out what Cubicle 7 has been up to. I’ve done a few reviews of their latest core rulebooks.
There's the new 40k Wrath & Glory TTRPG which Cubicle 7 have taken over the licence for in the last few years. They've definitely improved it from initial release. I've ran sessions that my players really enjoyed and while it's not made any waves, I think it's worth looking at before writing it off.
Have you ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons? It is an RPG. The D & D Battle System was the "Wargame" aspect of the game. The D&D Miniatures line was the collectable/usable miniature figure aspect of the game. Dungeon! and now the Wrath of Ashardalon and similar board games is the board game aspect of the game. One D & D will be the digital version of the game. So, no, Dragonbond is not the future of RPGs, but it may be a contemporary take on the past of RPGs.
No I haven’t heard of Dungeons and Dragons. What’s that?
To be fair, in the early days, role-playing was formative and not well understood, so the role-playing was not fully differentiated. Now, the gaming form factors are better understood, but they are not typically adjacent nor integrated. The boardgame you mention shares setting but not much else, so it has some adjacency to the role-playing. In Dragonbond, it sounds like the company is deliberately linking the various gaming form factors into an integrated whole. If they succeed, the additional form factors could be great complements to the role-playing experience (or however one prefers to look at the integration). Separate but equal?
@@DaveThaumavore It is one of the first tabletop role playing games, and they have done everything that Dragonbond has done, but they did it years and years ago. It looks like Dragonbond is copying the old TSR business model (note the "Dragons" in the name 'Dragonbond', like the 'Dragons' in "Dungeons and Dragons). Dragons are quite popular, as The Game of Thrones proved recently.
@@joerama yeah agreed, it’s a deliberate approach to something that has been sort of done in the past. Probably not “separate but equal” since that phrase refers to a legal doctrine of racial segregation in America that has since been abolished. 😅
@@joerama Wizards of the Coast looks like they are integrating and using adjacent forms in their next "edition" of D&D (One D&D), where the digital will be much more interrelated with their other products, which will likely be a compliment to the RPG experience. TSR was putting out products over the course of many years, and so these products were not as integrated as they would likely have been if they were all produced at the same time. They were also inventing many of the things that companies today take for granted. I suspect that the spacing out of their projects was partly a matter of the lack of working capital when the game was created.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I wish you'd go back to just having your voiceovers. I love your videos, but I find having someone talking in the corner of the screen incredibly distracting, plus pretty much every other channel I love, from RPGs to boardgames to comics, just has voiceovers. Having an onscreen narrator adds nothing to a video...
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