The "emos" wearing different colors is called "scene". they may look similar, but their both noticeably different. Scene is more quirky and colorful. Emo is more depressed and dark
it can also only be anti-fascist and anti-conservative. the big flaw with anarchy, is there is very little that it can be pro, and is not a realistic goal as no nation or large group of people can live successfully without some form of organisation, and no organisation large enough to service 100s, let alone millons of people can function without leadership or rules. and these guys were not anarchists. they had strict rules, and leadership.
none of you people know what anarchism actually is, given the blatantly false statements every single one of you have made. the largest branch of anarchism is anarcho-communism/syndicalism. it's not communism, it's anarchism that borrows from communism for pragmatic reasons, not idealistic ones. after all, things need to get done. "no rulers" doesn't mean "no rules". we do have those. while we don't put people in jail, we do stop associating with them. that means you run the risk of getting universally cancelled by an entire commune (who might even go out of their way to warn other communes about you), likely resulting in you receiving zero support of any kind (which is catastrophic when you live in a place where everyone has to rely on each other). if you make a fuss about it, let's just say while we don't believe in any kind of hierarchy, some of us have a rather loose definition of the term "self-defense". we print stickers that literally tell people to ORGANIZE. in fact, most forms of anarchism are ALL about organizing without actually being an organization, while leaving people's autonomy intact. and most importantly, anarchism is not a blueprint. it doesn't tell you how to live or do anything. serving millions of people is not its job. you're asking for a painting when the whole point of anarchism is to provide a blank canvas for people to paint on. and that very fact (you looking and asking for premade solutions) is what state programming is all about. they want you helpless, so they are the only ones you can go to, which they exploit that to the absolute limit. i'm not here to defend or promote anarchism. if you thinks it's trash, that's fine. you do you. i just want people to actually know wtf it is they're talking crap about.
@@bubblegumgun3292 Both concepts are in fact super close, iirc. They support free association of people and the absence of a state. Anarcho-communism is also a thing. There are critical differences between communism as it was laid out and communism as it's claimed by authoritarian regimes.
Denying human nature is futile, communism has never and will never work. Get the control out of the way and let nature dictate who survives/thrives, that has been proven time and time again to work. Fear of natural consequences leads to giving up control, the ones who would take it are never your friend. Please read some history brother.@@vncntrgr
The hair is the most important part of this subculture. The point being what is the most un-chinese hair you can have. It has to stick out and be a spectacle. Its like they are having their 'punk rock' 30 years after everyone else did. A study of a closed society and its periodic rebellions.
that is a traditional hairstyle directly associated with manchurian culture and the qing empire. there has been a trend for bringing back han styles in recent times, but this seems very unlikely.
i think it's unfair to suggest this is like being behind with punk rock. as it coincided with the japanese visual kei and also what alternative scenes in the west were doing around that time (cyber goth, scene kid) that had styles that were comparable.
It was the easiest comparison to grab on too. I know alot of Japanese noise and cultural upheaval from the 80's. I see what you are saying but its very much a mish mash of all of the above.@@haruyasumi616
The "emos" wearing different colors is called "scene". they may look similar, but their both noticeably different. Scene is more quirky and colorful. Emo is more depressed and dark
Agreed, as an elder emo that hung out a lot with scene kids there was an overlap of music interests (emo, screamo, metalcore even) but they also went HARD for crunkcore like Brokencyde and Hollywood Undead lol I remember, at least in my country, they were also really into regular popular music.
Scene.....emo. Emo Scene. Just looking at this shit makes me feel depressed. Now you try to separate the more colorful emos from the damp dark looking ones. Bullshit. Like today we have so many styles of goths/gothics. You people make me puke dark rainbows.
Yeah but this is more of a 80s punk legacy than anime. If you're old enough to remember cartoons like Jem, it's basically that - but finding its place in China 30 years late lol
Around 2007 I lived in Shanghai and worked at a Taiwanese pre-school as a sort of English teacher stooge. They would fky us into weird factory towns to perform defacto English classes for potential clients but it would mistly be us just clowning around. Anyways, we went to this factory city outside of Beiging and one night I felt rowdy and went out by myself to get plastered. The streets were ghosttown empty but I heard a happy hardcore beat and followed it to its source. I found a packed wharehouse rave full of teenagers all "dancing" on a bouncy floor so that everyone trampolined to the beat. It was wild. They treated me like an alien from outer space and I showed them a bunch of funny dance moves. I always wondered what the hell that scene was and now I think that it might have been a precursor to shamete. So cool👾 Thanks for the content. 🎉😅
Walking through an empty city while folowing a distant jungle beat sounds like an acid dream of somebody who spent the last 18 hours in an office cubicle
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
This is what they call punk rock in China. I love it. It’s subculture counter culture. I don’t care what they call it. I love it. And it takes a brave soul to stand out in a country where almost nothing is tolerated.❤😂
That footage of Luo Fu Xing after his haircut is very 1984. I mean, yeah, it's possible that he decided to change his look because he was genuinely interested in something new. But his whole demeanor and the fact that his entire image - not just his hair - went from "radical non-conformist" to "anonymous office worker" is really suggestive of him being visited by someone from the CCP and given an ultimatum.
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
I met a bunch of young Chinese that fit this look in the smoker's garden in HK airport. Lovely bunch, asked me to smoke a Chinese cigarette with them (I vape not smoke), would seem rude to refuse, their style reminded me of earlier 80s punk when punk went working class, (edit: context) which is why I started talking to them and they were a welcoming bunch.
No government should get in the way of people having harmless fun. I respect anyone who's brave enough to express their own unique individuality in the face of public scrutiny.
@@oldmate86 every person is unique. what this means is that these people are not trying to look the way others want. they like crazy hairstyles, and they wear them, despite the sidelong glances of others. they like themselves and this is the main thing that makes them unique. not how “rare” your hair color or clothes are. their story, their thoughts and why they chose to dress the way they did. anyway, everything has already been invented for us a long time ago, nothing “unique” can be done and we can argue about this endlessly. just respect others, please
There is some irony in the the Shamate subculture, whether we're talking about their clothes and hair, either their music. It was a movement of freedom. Doing something so obsucure and controversial was techinacally a way to "break the rules" and the restrictions they were given from both the goverment and the companies. Their own little rebelion, which non jokingly worked (or at least for them). I feel like the Shamate culture was the voice of some tired teens and youngsters who wanted to be free and create a sense of identity, a safe space, a community. Shamate may be weird af, but really I appreciete and admire them!
5:23 Visual kei is more of a music scene influenced by 80s glam metal (as in Mötley Crüe, not T-Rex), post-punk/darkwave/goth, punk, new romantics, etc. Because these music subcultures were "imported" from the West by Japan, the outlandish way that they dress got all lumped together into one scene, so Japanese people just call them "visual" style. Although eventually visual kei became it's own scene, if you listen to the earlier 80s & 90s bands especially, you can hear that they're influenced by punk, goth, and metal music.
Everything about this is just incoherent and ill-informed, mostly made-up nonsense. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
wait a min, the song in 14:05 is from a kpop group called SHINee, the title is Ring Ding Dong I don't think they have official chinese version of the song, so it's being remade as a meme to criticize shamate? RDD is iconic in SK and kpop though.
True! And what's even sadder is that the center member of the group is no longer alive due to the pressures of society which had become too much for him mentally (I'm censoring my wording here, but you know what I mean). Jonghyun must've still been alive when the meme was made, but in hindsight it's even more bitter to see their music being used to bully and harrass others for doing something that made them happy despite society being harsh to them.
Yeah Ring Ding Dong has nothing to do with the Chinese subculture group, it was memed. The voices don't match up. Mainstream China seems to have weaponized it to mock others.
Chinese people just listen to Kpop. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
A similar phenomenon happened in the Philippines. To the young urban lower-class exposed to internet cafes. Except they don't have a particular style. It became a mishmash of hiphop, scene, emo, and anime, with a backdrop of extreme poverty. At first it was hilarious. People made fun of them and they made fun of themselves. Then it spiraled into something grimmer, when they started copying more than just the fashion and gangs started to proliferate.
I forgot to say the subculture's name: Jejemon. A portmanteau of Pokemon and txtspeak "jeje" (= LOL). The subculture arose in the early 2000s during the rapid spread of internet cafes and mobile phones. When people started deliberately misspelling and/or shortening words while texting. During this time, the Philippines was ranked highest in terms of the number of people texting. I think we still rank quite high in terms of social media engagement, although of course, it's not just texting anymore.
@@AngryKittens This subculture was so prevalent in my school that my teacher nearly failed an entire class due to misspelled words and improper grammar for their essay in their English finals.
Oh I rember them they wear these hats and oversize shirts usually found near motorcycle hangouts and internet cafés. Usually trouble makers in class. They were so common that jejemon became for being bad boys or bad girls whenever a person breaks rules like bringing vapes to school.
second time ive seen someone say "thats hecking punk rock" and i dont really think that is, honestly for as shit as punk rock is i think most of those actual hard core punk guys would disagree with sweaty big haired deranged nerds being punk rock just because they are stupid and lack social awareness
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
Shamate is cringe. But the way a whole country worked to discriminate a benign cringe fad is pretty disgusting. Assuming people were killed and were then celebrated online is wild
I think it looks weird personally, but I also was in the hardcore scene when I was younger and am completely aware we were looked at like that too. I give nothing but respect to people creating/being a part of their own subculture.
You can really see the similaritys between emo culture and shamate. That suffocating feeling you get in this modern world seems to be the origin of both groups. And its nice to see the shamate also have an impact on culture like emo culture did
look emo kids legit wore cardigans and vneck sweaters, corduroy pants or just looked like skaters. what you think are emo kids arent and the music they listen to isnt even emo. scene kids are not emo. look up bands like Neil Perry, You And I, Yage, Off Minor, Page 99
The reason of their origin has more to do with the juvenile wish to be a rebel without a cause, nothing impactful or wothy about it, it's just weird for the sake of being weird and adds nothing of value to society, just a trend that will die out soon luckily
Ain't no similarities to emo, you mean scene. I think people see wacky hair and assume everything falls under the same umbrella when it's like comparing r&b to salsa music
@@_PinkiePie. If your going to make a smart as comment then you better check that you are atleast correct. Saying "This is wrong, they have nothing in common" without anny arguments proving that that is the case is not a valid argument. Both emo and shamate are both based in some parts on counter culture, the classic kid playing loud rock music in the KISS music video.
Wow, I saw many many 杀马特 shamate in Xi’an in the 2000s, didn’t know that they were a whole subculture, just thought they were some crazy dudes! Thanks for the info man! Also his name is pronounced fu shing😂😂
They remind me of the Flogger subculture in Argentina from around the same time (2007). Big hairstyles, meeting on social media, electronic music, weird dances, bright colours. skinny jeans.
I love that you're talking about this, I've only seen Laowhy86 & SerpentZA talk about this topic I adore the Shamate for being willing to stand out in a country like China where it only causes backlash
@@JimmyTheGiant yeah those guys are great for research on China, they're some of my favourite youtubers, I always catch their Live Friday show on their The China Show channel to keep up on the latest news and issues coming out of China
Jesus Christ, if you guys think Laowhy86 and SerpentZA know what they are talking about. They were isolated from the locals back in China and have been completely out of touch for like the last 5 years
Love the subculture videos! Maybe the style was very unorthadox but I guess that's the point really. You can't hate what it stood for, just wanting to stand out instead of being a number in a factory is commendable in my eyes.
@@AughtelMaybe but who said China had that trend? China was very different back then and with little to no influence by the west, the punk rock crowd probably never happened.
During the mid-2000s, that culture exerted a significant influence on the fashion scene in my country, which neighbors China and falls within the category of a third-world nation. Everybody, I mean even adults in their 30s had adopted that type of hairstyle and vice versa despite having no access to the internet, anime, emo, fashion catalogs and stuff especially among the commoners back then. And no, that was definitely not emo or punk rock or anything like that. The music taste is all over the place like shitty remix of hit songs.
"If you open the window to let fresh air in, expect to get some flies with that fresh air" That's what window screens are for. Fresh air, no flies. That aside, I'm impressed by the insane volume they got in their hair. Mad props for that!
As someone who lives in China, this is so true. And it’s not only just this fashion. In China, we call ALL non mainstream styles 亚文化 (literally subculture, and I personally hate it because it puts together so many unrelated sub genres) and there is a slur for them, 亚逼. You will get weird looks whatever style you are in, whether it be scene or gyaru, and you might even be attacked for liking foreign styles. The Chinese internet attitude towards non conforming styles is extremely hostile, and they make fun of it often. I remember seeing video of a girl in mall punk having to have her mother walk by her and constantly support her because she kept on getting harassed by a random grandma (elders often hate subcultures because they see it as demonic). It’s sad because I’m a big fan of kogyaru fashion but I know I’d either be made fun of or body shamed because the other weird standard here is if you’re of a subculture, you must fit the beauty standard, or you will also be made fun of.
I love seeing runescape references in videos which have absolutely nothing to do with the game while doing my daily slayer grind. Thank you and keep it up.
Well this was interesting. I just witnessed the raise, fall and reincarnation of a culture, all in 20min. Damn, internet, Damn! I like the punk-synth/blip music. Got some potential. Gonna check more of that out. Tnx
I have honestly never thought about youth having a subculture in china. I hear more about other countries, and this isn’t especially different just a mishmash of lots of ideas and genres. Wild hair!
Honestly, I didn't think you have hair like that. I wonder if those people wear masks to protect themselves from all the hair spray being applied to them
Emos had trains on Myspace with different tiers of follower counts. To join a train of different tiers you had to apply to the train conductors. Everyone in the train would share the html link on their bullitens to stay in the train to advertise different riders. The people on the train with the most followers where at the top. I had 30,000 friends so I wasn't high up but I wasn't a entry level rider. No one ever talks abouit that in emo/hxc (internet) culture. When you said that shamate lou fuxing or whatever aren't emos. I thought they were. because you said they dont have tiers or whatever. We did. But being emo back then was like fight club you can't be emo if you say your emo. You;re video is cool too. Thank you for making an entertaining analyse
Awesome, I actually hoped you would do this subculture. I have another idea also which is similar to "squatters": fraight hoppers/hobos. These are basically people who live illegally in trains and travel through many states. Also hobo sign language would be dope!! Greetings from Germany!
They are scene kids with heavy early visual kei elements, which admitedly also influenced scene fashion in the west but it was moreso the visual kei comtemporary to when scene was popular, rather than the more punk-ish early visual kei elements that you can see in this style. Namely the hair, the ones where they aren't going absolutely wild turning it into a helmet or something are hairstyles you can find in old visual kei magazines. The scene kids were also absolutely doing that kind of circlejerkery about seniority and who had the most clout, only it wasn't centralized. If you are curious look into scene queens and myspace celebrities, there was absolutely an in crowd who decided who got to hangout with them, lots of fucked up dating. And while absolutely not as severe as having a goverment prosecute you, I think it's fair we acknowledged that people in the west absolutely despised the emos and the scene kids even when they were minding their business, the vitriol isn't anything exclusive to the Chinese. Most notably they were bullied relentlessly anywhere outside the major cities, there was an absurd amount of jokes about them cutting themselves (even in mainstream media) and if any of them attempted suicide people often responded with mockery using the aforementioned cutting jokes. The scene men where especially hated and often met with extreme homophobia for looking like "f*gs" and "girly", regardless of their actual orientation (which also led many in the outside to overlook how the predatory men in those circles abused teenage girls, since in their minds they were weak "sissies" and the group was so insular that it was normalized.).
As someone whos dyed their hair every "unnatural" colour over the years, the hairdo's on these kids are amazing!!. . . The guy sat on the scooter woth the black/multicoloured areodynamic "do" - cool as fook.
This is the most HATED subculture!!! Jimmy, this is 7th week in a row you’ve shown the most HATED subculture in class. In all seriousness though, great video, kudos for finding something even huge nerd like me never heaard of before. Each and every video from you is a banger.
that's actually a pretty sad story, I mean the music was awful and that cement thing was pretty weird but come on, they were just people trying to have fun, to give their lives a little bit of color u know? killing people just for being different is such a horrible thing we humans still do and it blows my mind 😔 mad respect for the Shamates
I was watching a Japanese channel, i think his name was Yamato, but anywayz he said that for the Japanese (idk about Chinese) but for the Japanese they really dont appreciate someone who tries so hard to be different, because in the past, they all had to stick together and be the same, so they considered the ones who differ to be selfish abd to be a liability who makes it hard for them to move forward together.
Most Asian cultures are what is known as collectivist cultures, while most western cultures tend to be individualistic cultures. Japan and China are the major examples of collectivist, which are taught from birth that you must consider your place in society before you consider your individual wants. The US is generally considered the prime example of individualist cuiltures where you're taught from an early age to "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" (to use a silly old phrase), before concerning yourself with how you want to integrate into your culture. They are inherently diametrically opposed viewpoints, so that's why so many things from each type of culture seem just so weird to the other, and why when people take on things from the opposite culture they are often vilified in their own culture.
@@KhronicD Nah Asian culture is much more "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" than the west Then when young people work they have to give money to their family. Asians have a brutal work culture, working 12 hour days is normal as is unpaid overtime. They have no time for people's feelings, you must conform. Asian cultures have no time for victimhood or mental health issues, Same with children studying, they can study 12 hours a day. Its true western culture is individualistic, but young people are told to stick up for your rights, dont accept abuse from anyone even an authority figure, (The west has gone too far with individualism but thats another story) Western kids also have a wide variety of options from normal jobs, to welfare and charity work, or the arts, they are encouraged to do something they love. Individual rights is only a thing in western countries. Even women still dont have basic rights and equality in most of the non-western world.
Yeah, all the negative things he wants to project unto China aren't even real. However, they are real for Japan. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Laowhy86 and SerpentZA are professional liars who likely work for the CIA. If you want to learn about China, check out Cyrus Jansen, Reporterfy Media, Alex from Xinjiang, Fermube, Noel Lee, Barrett, numuves, Daniel Dumbrill, Nathan Rich, etc. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
14:00 im not supersized that shinee effected the subculture, it literally got banned from being listened to before tests in korea because it was so addictting to students when it came out lol also ring ding dong isnt a song making fun of the shamate at all actually, no clue where you got that from, kpops fashion style was just also kinda eccentric
emo's were organized in cities with actually music scenes its a shorthand for emotional hardcore-- completely different than midwest emo which came about because of the lack of music scenes in that area
Fascinating stuff! Never heard of this before. Great research and commentary! _"When you open the windows you have to expect some flies to get in"_ LMAO!!!!
Would love some clarification and/or source information about the SHINee song (Ring Ding Dong) that you referenced in this video. As someone else mentioned in your comments; that song and group is iconic and from SK. Perhaps someone was making a parody using their video. I'm sure it wasn't intentional but your commentary implies or could be misconstrued that Ring Ding Dong / SHINee made the song to criticize or poke fun at the sub-culture in China. I don't believe this is the case. SHINee is well know for the skinny / colourful pants thing in SK when they debuted in 2008. The song you referenced is from 2009. Really enjoyed the video otherwise. =)
It's bs, just like all the other stuff he said. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Laowhy86 and SerpentZA are professional liars who likely work for the CIA. If you want to learn about China, check out Cyrus Jansen, Reporterfy Media, Alex from Xinjiang, Fermube, Noel Lee, Barrett, numuves, Daniel Dumbrill, Nathan Rich, etc. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government". People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though. You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
Flock of Seagulls stuck in the 80s. Thought they were just going through their version of the 80s like the US. It looked like a fun underground movement. Thanks for making the video. I had no idea.
They remind me of a unique mix of *early skinhead culture + emo scene culture* - with Chinese characteristics (to borrow a phrase their government is fond of saying).
Honestly, fun to see kids being kids even in such a conformist country like China. Reminds me a lot of a swedish subculture that existed back in the 00:s. We called them "Fjortisar".
It's always amazing, whatever country your are in, that the majority "right" is always demanding that you wear what your told to wear. Conservative fashion police are international
I adore your videos jimmy ma boy! And your english sounds so authentic, a really nice language to hear someone speak and explain well researched content. Keep up the good work ❤
if you liked this, i'd suggest watching Serpentza's videos on the subject to get a more informative scope of the situation. he lived in china for 14 years and actually associated with some of them, giving him real world experience on the subject. it's wayyyy more informative and gives a background on the subculture. leo foxing is not the "creator" of this. its been around LONG before he was in the scene. i'd suggest watching serpentza's videos on it if you want to know the actual background of the culture. im not saying this video was 'stolen' but, the similarities are.... interesting. with that being said, jimmy, in love your videos. especially your videos on rollerblading, and the like. i dont know if you specifically made this video, or it was a suggestion/something suggested by your colleagues with a bunch of info fed to you... and im not saying only one person can 'report' on a topic, but this just seems kinda like a blatant rip-off off of already posted videos :\
The Shamate aren't emo, they are punks. This is pretty similar to the punks and anarchists from the 80s and early 90s. And in the west the "non-conformists" faced a lot of attacks ever since the beatles had hair down to their ears. Essentially it took 30 years for the west to accept people being different.
Japan went exactly through this in the 1980s. I was around back then and recall seeing it. A subculture of colorful youths that stood in stark contrast to the rest of the culture. I see this as a good thing. We can all agree it was a good thing for Japan. These conformist cultures need this kinda thing.
Yeah I don't get this condescending attitude, like they were wrong to express themselves and should have known better, rather than the society they live in being insane for going ballistic about it.
@@Shadders2010 Yeah otaku is still not widely accepted for understandable reasons. I think a better comparison would be ones that this shamate was inspired from. Was Lolita and visual kew ever shun, but they are accepted now. Even western ones like goth are mostly accepted. You would shun shamate as well (as do I, because it's ugly and cringe) if it developed in a rich first world country like the west.
@@GL-iv4rw Still exists, but waaay less than in the early 2000s. Visual Kei for the most part has also changed it's style a bit more to glittery-vampire-kpop-style. Tokyo's Harajuku used to have all the shops for it, now most of it is gone over to kpop.
i think it's wholesome. you think about how much pressure there was on them to conform, to get a fade and a v-neck, and they said fuck that. these kids was killing it.
fuxing is almost certainly like [foo][shin] /fʊʃɪŋ/ in visual kei kei is like /keɪ/ in case. come on you literally have the correct pronunciation in the edit. minimal amount of research into phonetics would go a long way.
That plus mispronouncing David Bowie’s last name really annoyed me. Given some of his other videos I think this guy just guesses at how to say things. I watched another of his videos earlier today and he pronounced Jackie Onassis as O-nas-y and idk where he got that from
@@raeganj6744I'm fairly certain this dude hires ghost writers to make the scripts for his videos. A lot of popular RUclipsrs secretly don't write their own videos
I know it means a lot to you, and this is your language, and you want it right. But really, we don't care, it's fun to say fuxing. Over and over, for the heck of it. We're westerners, it's what we do. I got a name like Livengood, you should hear what everybody does with that. Had a friend who had this complicated Indian name that went on forever, Shanmigossundruhmumum...so everyone called him Shan Was Here. It's a joke...funny...you know, laughing.
I think Shamate is more like Scene kids, both in fashion style and music. Even the bullying kinda reminds me of the whole Kiki Kannibal drama. Except Shamate was more organized, are specifically working class kids, and less creepy (in terms of the sexual content of the music) than Scene.
I was watching this video expecting something totally different. It's wild because I run one arguably the best visual kei channel for underground bands, having uploaded hundreds of bands, and I was very surprised to see my kind of music mentioned here. It's almost surreal to me and I don't know how to feel about it.
This is actually really well researched 😭 also fyi fuxing is pronounced [Foo Shing] and not fucksing LOL, Visual Kei is pronounced [Visual Kay] and not Visual Kee
you should give Serpentza / thechinashow credit for this video. this is pretty much his video's he makes on them. same title, thumbnail and everything. >_>
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Lou's name literally mean Fuck" Xi Jinping. All of what the Shamata do is in rebellion to the government that is very very oppressive.
I already watched this video a year ago. You even used almost the exact thumbnail. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HJpQ5DX
you read my mind emo
Xjapan is amazing
The "emos" wearing different colors is called "scene". they may look similar, but their both noticeably different. Scene is more quirky and colorful. Emo is more depressed and dark
As a Chinese person, his pronunciation of Luo Fu Xing (Loo-o Foo Shing) is too funny
Same lol
I'm not even Chinese, and even I cringed every time he said it.
If I was a Chinese ,
I would call myself
Xing Ping Ding
As someone who played enough Chinese games, I found it funny. It's even funnier that he's convinced that the pronunciation is right.
Laughing at Westerners is a great Chinese tradition.@@Kiwi-Araga
massive respect for them simply not conforming in china is pretty punk rock
this proves again Anarchy can only be anti communist
it can also only be anti-fascist and anti-conservative.
the big flaw with anarchy, is there is very little that it can be pro, and is not a realistic goal as no nation or large group of people can live successfully without some form of organisation, and no organisation large enough to service 100s, let alone millons of people can function without leadership or rules.
and these guys were not anarchists. they had strict rules, and leadership.
none of you people know what anarchism actually is, given the blatantly false statements every single one of you have made.
the largest branch of anarchism is anarcho-communism/syndicalism. it's not communism, it's anarchism that borrows from communism for pragmatic reasons, not idealistic ones.
after all, things need to get done.
"no rulers" doesn't mean "no rules". we do have those. while we don't put people in jail, we do stop associating with them. that means you run the risk of getting universally cancelled by an entire commune (who might even go out of their way to warn other communes about you), likely resulting in you receiving zero support of any kind (which is catastrophic when you live in a place where everyone has to rely on each other). if you make a fuss about it, let's just say while we don't believe in any kind of hierarchy, some of us have a rather loose definition of the term "self-defense".
we print stickers that literally tell people to ORGANIZE. in fact, most forms of anarchism are ALL about organizing without actually being an organization, while leaving people's autonomy intact.
and most importantly, anarchism is not a blueprint. it doesn't tell you how to live or do anything. serving millions of people is not its job. you're asking for a painting when the whole point of anarchism is to provide a blank canvas for people to paint on. and that very fact (you looking and asking for premade solutions) is what state programming is all about. they want you helpless, so they are the only ones you can go to, which they exploit that to the absolute limit.
i'm not here to defend or promote anarchism. if you thinks it's trash, that's fine. you do you.
i just want people to actually know wtf it is they're talking crap about.
@@bubblegumgun3292 Both concepts are in fact super close, iirc. They support free association of people and the absence of a state. Anarcho-communism is also a thing. There are critical differences between communism as it was laid out and communism as it's claimed by authoritarian regimes.
Denying human nature is futile, communism has never and will never work. Get the control out of the way and let nature dictate who survives/thrives, that has been proven time and time again to work. Fear of natural consequences leads to giving up control, the ones who would take it are never your friend. Please read some history brother.@@vncntrgr
The hair is the most important part of this subculture. The point being what is the most un-chinese hair you can have. It has to stick out and be a spectacle. Its like they are having their 'punk rock' 30 years after everyone else did. A study of a closed society and its periodic rebellions.
Honestly am I the only one thinking that the big spiky colorful hair cuts the Shamate have makes them look like bootleg Yu-Gi-Oh protagonists
I wonder what would happened if they choose the old bald with ponytail hairstyle like that movie once upon a time in china
that is a traditional hairstyle directly associated with manchurian culture and the qing empire. there has been a trend for bringing back han styles in recent times, but this seems very unlikely.
i think it's unfair to suggest this is like being behind with punk rock. as it coincided with the japanese visual kei and also what alternative scenes in the west were doing around that time (cyber goth, scene kid) that had styles that were comparable.
It was the easiest comparison to grab on too. I know alot of Japanese noise and cultural upheaval from the 80's. I see what you are saying but its very much a mish mash of all of the above.@@haruyasumi616
The "emos" wearing different colors is called "scene". they may look similar, but their both noticeably different. Scene is more quirky and colorful. Emo is more depressed and dark
this. plus the music sounds like something scene kids listened to back in the day.
Yeah scene kids listen to weird thrash rock stuff like GG Allin
Agreed, as an elder emo that hung out a lot with scene kids there was an overlap of music interests (emo, screamo, metalcore even) but they also went HARD for crunkcore like Brokencyde and Hollywood Undead lol I remember, at least in my country, they were also really into regular popular music.
litreallt they look exactly how scene and emo looked in the mid to late 00s so 2005 to 2010
Scene.....emo. Emo Scene. Just looking at this shit makes me feel depressed. Now you try to separate the more colorful emos from the damp dark looking ones. Bullshit. Like today we have so many styles of goths/gothics. You people make me puke dark rainbows.
Real life Yu-Gi-Oh hair
Tbf they all look like Yugis
Yeah but this is more of a 80s punk legacy than anime.
If you're old enough to remember cartoons like Jem, it's basically that - but finding its place in China 30 years late lol
I had the same thought
Literally what went through my head the first time I saw these guys.. 😂😂
Around 2007 I lived in Shanghai and worked at a Taiwanese pre-school as a sort of English teacher stooge. They would fky us into weird factory towns to perform defacto English classes for potential clients but it would mistly be us just clowning around. Anyways, we went to this factory city outside of Beiging and one night I felt rowdy and went out by myself to get plastered. The streets were ghosttown empty but I heard a happy hardcore beat and followed it to its source. I found a packed wharehouse rave full of teenagers all "dancing" on a bouncy floor so that everyone trampolined to the beat. It was wild. They treated me like an alien from outer space and I showed them a bunch of funny dance moves.
I always wondered what the hell that scene was and now I think that it might have been a precursor to shamete. So cool👾 Thanks for the content. 🎉😅
No doubt that it probably was! Pretty cool story.
Walking through an empty city while folowing a distant jungle beat sounds like an acid dream of somebody who spent the last 18 hours in an office cubicle
Jimmy consistently roping me into video essays about subcultures I’ve never heard of and I’m here for it
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I had heard about it only on The China Show I think
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
This is what they call punk rock in China. I love it. It’s subculture counter culture. I don’t care what they call it. I love it. And it takes a brave soul to stand out in a country where almost nothing is tolerated.❤😂
That footage of Luo Fu Xing after his haircut is very 1984. I mean, yeah, it's possible that he decided to change his look because he was genuinely interested in something new. But his whole demeanor and the fact that his entire image - not just his hair - went from "radical non-conformist" to "anonymous office worker" is really suggestive of him being visited by someone from the CCP and given an ultimatum.
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
if you had a 1billion+ population hatin on you online you'd be bullied into gettin a different haircut p damn quick
Most people grow up and leave those sorts of things behind, kid
They just grow up, like a lot rebellious teenagers. This sub culture was seen as cringe even among their peers
@@harryhan7276 Bro their peers were ageinst it becouse of CCP and their propaganda
I imagine this is what most anime hair would look like in real life.
this made me chuckle
I thought to myself this is if Final Fantasy characters were real
you dont need to magine them dude they already exist, thy're called cosplayers
@@dcry1003 haha true.
I mean it did originate in asia no? Probably not? Idk, but I do know people can't tell me shit when I say they look like anime characters anymore
I met a bunch of young Chinese that fit this look in the smoker's garden in HK airport. Lovely bunch, asked me to smoke a Chinese cigarette with them (I vape not smoke), would seem rude to refuse, their style reminded me of earlier 80s punk when punk went working class, (edit: context) which is why I started talking to them and they were a welcoming bunch.
Love Chinese people, they're often friendly, honest and very generous - politics is a pity eh?
@@ProbablyNotLegit Had a Chinese friend, he was a little weird but over quite a nice guy
No government should get in the way of people having harmless fun. I respect anyone who's brave enough to express their own unique individuality in the face of public scrutiny.
Well said. It is still a glimpse of hope that these kids with their ridiculous hair exist against the odds.
@@ConanOG It's China. Since when has people mattered to them.
@@ConanOG I'm owned by a bank with debt i'll never escape, half my generation is in the same boat. We are not free.
It's not unique when they all look the same
@@oldmate86 every person is unique. what this means is that these people are not trying to look the way others want. they like crazy hairstyles, and they wear them, despite the sidelong glances of others. they like themselves and this is the main thing that makes them unique. not how “rare” your hair color or clothes are. their story, their thoughts and why they chose to dress the way they did. anyway, everything has already been invented for us a long time ago, nothing “unique” can be done and we can argue about this endlessly. just respect others, please
There is some irony in the the Shamate subculture, whether we're talking about their clothes and hair, either their music. It was a movement of freedom. Doing something so obsucure and controversial was techinacally a way to "break the rules" and the restrictions they were given from both the goverment and the companies. Their own little rebelion, which non jokingly worked (or at least for them). I feel like the Shamate culture was the voice of some tired teens and youngsters who wanted to be free and create a sense of identity, a safe space, a community. Shamate may be weird af, but really I appreciete and admire them!
5:23 Visual kei is more of a music scene influenced by 80s glam metal (as in Mötley Crüe, not T-Rex), post-punk/darkwave/goth, punk, new romantics, etc. Because these music subcultures were "imported" from the West by Japan, the outlandish way that they dress got all lumped together into one scene, so Japanese people just call them "visual" style. Although eventually visual kei became it's own scene, if you listen to the earlier 80s & 90s bands especially, you can hear that they're influenced by punk, goth, and metal music.
_Visual Kai_ 🤣
Everything about this is just incoherent and ill-informed, mostly made-up nonsense. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
Nobody except artists respects artists. Only artists know how much effort goes in to creation. I've watched your vibe grow and I hope it continues.
wait a min, the song in 14:05 is from a kpop group called SHINee, the title is Ring Ding Dong
I don't think they have official chinese version of the song, so it's being remade as a meme to criticize shamate?
RDD is iconic in SK and kpop though.
True! And what's even sadder is that the center member of the group is no longer alive due to the pressures of society which had become too much for him mentally (I'm censoring my wording here, but you know what I mean). Jonghyun must've still been alive when the meme was made, but in hindsight it's even more bitter to see their music being used to bully and harrass others for doing something that made them happy despite society being harsh to them.
Yeah Ring Ding Dong has nothing to do with the Chinese subculture group, it was memed. The voices don't match up. Mainstream China seems to have weaponized it to mock others.
Chinese people just listen to Kpop. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
A similar phenomenon happened in the Philippines. To the young urban lower-class exposed to internet cafes. Except they don't have a particular style. It became a mishmash of hiphop, scene, emo, and anime, with a backdrop of extreme poverty. At first it was hilarious. People made fun of them and they made fun of themselves. Then it spiraled into something grimmer, when they started copying more than just the fashion and gangs started to proliferate.
I forgot to say the subculture's name: Jejemon. A portmanteau of Pokemon and txtspeak "jeje" (= LOL). The subculture arose in the early 2000s during the rapid spread of internet cafes and mobile phones. When people started deliberately misspelling and/or shortening words while texting. During this time, the Philippines was ranked highest in terms of the number of people texting. I think we still rank quite high in terms of social media engagement, although of course, it's not just texting anymore.
@@AngryKittens This subculture was so prevalent in my school that my teacher nearly failed an entire class due to misspelled words and improper grammar for their essay in their English finals.
Imagine deciding one day to start a gang because you watched too much 6ix9ine
@@mushmush4980 lol
Oh I rember them they wear these hats and oversize shirts usually found near motorcycle hangouts and internet cafés. Usually trouble makers in class. They were so common that jejemon became for being bad boys or bad girls whenever a person breaks rules like bringing vapes to school.
Man in China not giving a fuck werid hair pretty punk rock if you ask me massive respect
second time ive seen someone say "thats hecking punk rock" and i dont really think that is, honestly for as shit as punk rock is i think most of those actual hard core punk guys would disagree with sweaty big haired deranged nerds being punk rock just because they are stupid and lack social awareness
You are a victim of anti-Chinese propaganda. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
Just letting you know, this was well done. Thanks, from the beginning til the end, you really did excellent at keeping me glued.
Shamate is cringe. But the way a whole country worked to discriminate a benign cringe fad is pretty disgusting. Assuming people were killed and were then celebrated online is wild
What do you know about China? 😂😂😂 bro they dissappeared yoga enthusiasts. Be real here.
@@JohnGalt916 what are you trying to say
@@JohnGalt916 'disappeared', come on now goofy
The slippery slope is real, they've been oriented this way for a while now.
@@OrgusDin they killed them. Falun Gong practitioners have their organs harvested, and then they are killed.
I can't say enough how much I enjoyed your deadpan humor. But not only that, your videos are incredibly informative. A++++
Glad you enjoyed it - thanks
I think it looks weird personally, but I also was in the hardcore scene when I was younger and am completely aware we were looked at like that too. I give nothing but respect to people creating/being a part of their own subculture.
Ye
“Hardcore”
"It's like the volume on your dad's phone when he's receiving a text"
🤣🤣
How do you know my dad?!
because that's all our dads
You can really see the similaritys between emo culture and shamate. That suffocating feeling you get in this modern world seems to be the origin of both groups. And its nice to see the shamate also have an impact on culture like emo culture did
look emo kids legit wore cardigans and vneck sweaters, corduroy pants or just looked like skaters. what you think are emo kids arent and the music they listen to isnt even emo. scene kids are not emo. look up bands like Neil Perry, You And I, Yage, Off Minor, Page 99
I hope not. Self mutilation and the romanticization of mental illnesses and apathy into a fashion statement isn't healthy.
The reason of their origin has more to do with the juvenile wish to be a rebel without a cause, nothing impactful or wothy about it, it's just weird for the sake of being weird and adds nothing of value to society, just a trend that will die out soon luckily
Ain't no similarities to emo, you mean scene. I think people see wacky hair and assume everything falls under the same umbrella when it's like comparing r&b to salsa music
@@_PinkiePie. If your going to make a smart as comment then you better check that you are atleast correct. Saying "This is wrong, they have nothing in common" without anny arguments proving that that is the case is not a valid argument. Both emo and shamate are both based in some parts on counter culture, the classic kid playing loud rock music in the KISS music video.
Very well timed ad I must say 👏🏾
Wow, I saw many many 杀马特 shamate in Xi’an in the 2000s, didn’t know that they were a whole subculture, just thought they were some crazy dudes! Thanks for the info man! Also his name is pronounced fu shing😂😂
They remind me of the Flogger subculture in Argentina from around the same time (2007). Big hairstyles, meeting on social media, electronic music, weird dances, bright colours. skinny jeans.
I love that you're talking about this, I've only seen Laowhy86 & SerpentZA talk about this topic
I adore the Shamate for being willing to stand out in a country like China where it only causes backlash
Got a lot of cool research from laowhy
@@JimmyTheGiantlove those guys! Great to see you cover it as well!!
@@JimmyTheGiant yeah those guys are great for research on China, they're some of my favourite youtubers, I always catch their Live Friday show on their The China Show channel to keep up on the latest news and issues coming out of China
@@JimmyTheGiant WOW SO GOOD
Jesus Christ, if you guys think Laowhy86 and SerpentZA know what they are talking about. They were isolated from the locals back in China and have been completely out of touch for like the last 5 years
I like the very authentically British commitment to not pronouncing Fuxing any other way.
Love seeing the increase in production quality and editing skills Jimmy. Great vid!
Thank you dude!!!
Be weird, it’s the best thing you can be.
Love the subculture videos! Maybe the style was very unorthadox but I guess that's the point really. You can't hate what it stood for, just wanting to stand out instead of being a number in a factory is commendable in my eyes.
So punk rock
@@AughtelMaybe but who said China had that trend? China was very different back then and with little to no influence by the west, the punk rock crowd probably never happened.
@@DarkCobra88 it's not a crowd. It's an anti stance. #FreeHongKong was very punk rock.
@@Aughtel Parroting CIA talking points is the opposite of punk runk
@matheusvillela9150 and parroting Chinese propaganda isn't an argument, it's a script.
During the mid-2000s, that culture exerted a significant influence on the fashion scene in my country, which neighbors China and falls within the category of a third-world nation. Everybody, I mean even adults in their 30s had adopted that type of hairstyle and vice versa despite having no access to the internet, anime, emo, fashion catalogs and stuff especially among the commoners back then. And no, that was definitely not emo or punk rock or anything like that. The music taste is all over the place like shitty remix of hit songs.
What's the name of the subculture?
"If you open the window to let fresh air in, expect to get some flies with that fresh air" That's what window screens are for. Fresh air, no flies.
That aside, I'm impressed by the insane volume they got in their hair. Mad props for that!
That's what the Great Fire Wall of China is... Window Screens to not let in the "flies"
As someone who lives in China, this is so true. And it’s not only just this fashion. In China, we call ALL non mainstream styles 亚文化 (literally subculture, and I personally hate it because it puts together so many unrelated sub genres) and there is a slur for them, 亚逼. You will get weird looks whatever style you are in, whether it be scene or gyaru, and you might even be attacked for liking foreign styles. The Chinese internet attitude towards non conforming styles is extremely hostile, and they make fun of it often. I remember seeing video of a girl in mall punk having to have her mother walk by her and constantly support her because she kept on getting harassed by a random grandma (elders often hate subcultures because they see it as demonic). It’s sad because I’m a big fan of kogyaru fashion but I know I’d either be made fun of or body shamed because the other weird standard here is if you’re of a subculture, you must fit the beauty standard, or you will also be made fun of.
quality of this one has to be one of your best. Great editing and some knee slapping gags
I love seeing runescape references in videos which have absolutely nothing to do with the game while doing my daily slayer grind. Thank you and keep it up.
Shamatae is actually super badass lol
i really like how you talk , good stuff .
greetings from germany
That was next level. Watched you develop this on Twitch , turned out to be one of your best videos that bro. Some funny in shit in there !
Ayee big love manc
Well this was interesting. I just witnessed the raise, fall and reincarnation of a culture, all in 20min. Damn, internet, Damn!
I like the punk-synth/blip music. Got some potential. Gonna check more of that out. Tnx
This was so good. I've been watching a long time I've really enjoyed seeing your content progress, this was another big leap forward well done
Really thorough and accurate research was done for this video. I appreciate it 🥰
I have honestly never thought about youth having a subculture in china. I hear more about other countries, and this isn’t especially different just a mishmash of lots of ideas and genres. Wild hair!
Honestly, I didn't think you have hair like that. I wonder if those people wear masks to protect themselves from all the hair spray being applied to them
I just love your essays, man.
Emos had trains on Myspace with different tiers of follower counts.
To join a train of different tiers you had to apply to the train conductors.
Everyone in the train would share the html link on their bullitens to stay in the train to advertise different riders.
The people on the train with the most followers where at the top.
I had 30,000 friends so I wasn't high up but I wasn't a entry level rider.
No one ever talks abouit that in emo/hxc (internet) culture.
When you said that shamate lou fuxing or whatever aren't emos.
I thought they were.
because you said they dont have tiers or whatever.
We did.
But being emo back then was like fight club
you can't be emo if you say your emo.
You;re video is cool too.
Thank you for making an entertaining analyse
great video, really good to see someone who knows their stuff about subcultures and has done proper research!!!
Awesome, I actually hoped you would do this subculture. I have another idea also which is similar to "squatters": fraight hoppers/hobos. These are basically people who live illegally in trains and travel through many states. Also hobo sign language would be dope!! Greetings from Germany!
They are scene kids with heavy early visual kei elements, which admitedly also influenced scene fashion in the west but it was moreso the visual kei comtemporary to when scene was popular, rather than the more punk-ish early visual kei elements that you can see in this style. Namely the hair, the ones where they aren't going absolutely wild turning it into a helmet or something are hairstyles you can find in old visual kei magazines. The scene kids were also absolutely doing that kind of circlejerkery about seniority and who had the most clout, only it wasn't centralized. If you are curious look into scene queens and myspace celebrities, there was absolutely an in crowd who decided who got to hangout with them, lots of fucked up dating. And while absolutely not as severe as having a goverment prosecute you, I think it's fair we acknowledged that people in the west absolutely despised the emos and the scene kids even when they were minding their business, the vitriol isn't anything exclusive to the Chinese. Most notably they were bullied relentlessly anywhere outside the major cities, there was an absurd amount of jokes about them cutting themselves (even in mainstream media) and if any of them attempted suicide people often responded with mockery using the aforementioned cutting jokes. The scene men where especially hated and often met with extreme homophobia for looking like "f*gs" and "girly", regardless of their actual orientation (which also led many in the outside to overlook how the predatory men in those circles abused teenage girls, since in their minds they were weak "sissies" and the group was so insular that it was normalized.).
14:04 didn't expect a chinese version of Shinees Ring Ding Dong
As someone whos dyed their hair every "unnatural" colour over the years, the hairdo's on these kids are amazing!!. . . The guy sat on the scooter woth the black/multicoloured areodynamic "do" - cool as fook.
Fuxing hell, great video, as always :D
And here I was hoping you would explain the hand gestures...
This is the most HATED subculture!!!
Jimmy, this is 7th week in a row you’ve shown the most HATED subculture in class.
In all seriousness though, great video, kudos for finding something even huge nerd like me never heaard of before. Each and every video from you is a banger.
learned a lot and laughed a lot. Thank you
i was literally just watching your video on chavs and i immediately got a notification for this video xD talk about timing!
that's actually a pretty sad story, I mean the music was awful and that cement thing was pretty weird but come on, they were just people trying to have fun, to give their lives a little bit of color u know? killing people just for being different is such a horrible thing we humans still do and it blows my mind 😔 mad respect for the Shamates
I was watching a Japanese channel, i think his name was Yamato, but anywayz he said that for the Japanese (idk about Chinese) but for the Japanese they really dont appreciate someone who tries so hard to be different, because in the past, they all had to stick together and be the same, so they considered the ones who differ to be selfish abd to be a liability who makes it hard for them to move forward together.
Most Asian cultures are what is known as collectivist cultures, while most western cultures tend to be individualistic cultures. Japan and China are the major examples of collectivist, which are taught from birth that you must consider your place in society before you consider your individual wants. The US is generally considered the prime example of individualist cuiltures where you're taught from an early age to "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" (to use a silly old phrase), before concerning yourself with how you want to integrate into your culture. They are inherently diametrically opposed viewpoints, so that's why so many things from each type of culture seem just so weird to the other, and why when people take on things from the opposite culture they are often vilified in their own culture.
@@KhronicD Nah Asian culture is much more "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" than the west Then when young people work they have to give money to their family. Asians have a brutal work culture, working 12 hour days is normal as is unpaid overtime. They have no time for people's feelings, you must conform. Asian cultures have no time for victimhood or mental health issues, Same with children studying, they can study 12 hours a day.
Its true western culture is individualistic, but young people are told to stick up for your rights, dont accept abuse from anyone even an authority figure, (The west has gone too far with individualism but thats another story) Western kids also have a wide variety of options from normal jobs, to welfare and charity work, or the arts, they are encouraged to do something they love.
Individual rights is only a thing in western countries. Even women still dont have basic rights and equality in most of the non-western world.
Yeah, all the negative things he wants to project unto China aren't even real. However, they are real for Japan. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Laowhy86 and SerpentZA are professional liars who likely work for the CIA. If you want to learn about China, check out Cyrus Jansen, Reporterfy Media, Alex from Xinjiang, Fermube, Noel Lee, Barrett, numuves, Daniel Dumbrill, Nathan Rich, etc.
Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
14:00 im not supersized that shinee effected the subculture, it literally got banned from being listened to before tests in korea because it was so addictting to students when it came out lol
also ring ding dong isnt a song making fun of the shamate at all actually, no clue where you got that from, kpops fashion style was just also kinda eccentric
emo's were organized in cities with actually music scenes
its a shorthand for emotional hardcore-- completely different than midwest emo which came about because of the lack of music scenes in that area
Good stuff man. Not the first video I've watched about shamate but you definitely widened the scope a little for me
These guys make Bayonetta look like Jada Pinkitt-Smith.
Yeah, I went there😏
Fascinating stuff! Never heard of this before.
Great research and commentary!
_"When you open the windows you have to expect some flies to get in"_ LMAO!!!!
Would love some clarification and/or source information about the SHINee song (Ring Ding Dong) that you referenced in this video. As someone else mentioned in your comments; that song and group is iconic and from SK. Perhaps someone was making a parody using their video.
I'm sure it wasn't intentional but your commentary implies or could be misconstrued that Ring Ding Dong / SHINee made the song to criticize or poke fun at the sub-culture in China. I don't believe this is the case. SHINee is well know for the skinny / colourful pants thing in SK when they debuted in 2008. The song you referenced is from 2009.
Really enjoyed the video otherwise. =)
It's bs, just like all the other stuff he said. The person who produced this video is a paid propagandist promoting disinformation to make people hate China. Laowhy86 and SerpentZA are professional liars who likely work for the CIA. If you want to learn about China, check out Cyrus Jansen, Reporterfy Media, Alex from Xinjiang, Fermube, Noel Lee, Barrett, numuves, Daniel Dumbrill, Nathan Rich, etc.
Luo Fu Xing literally gave interviews about this - the only reason he adopted this hairstyle nonsense is to gain attention and feel famous. He dropped out of school and became a hairdresser. He also has no interest in dying his hair again, he thinks it's just for children who got nothing better to show for themselves. nothing about this has to do with "the government".
People who fall for this propaganda are beyond help, to be honest. China is the most free country on earth, certainly has more free speech than any Western country where you get mass-arrested for protesting or even for accusing Israel of genocide. In China, nobody gives a f about what you look like. You will see far more coloured hair and crazy clothes in China than anywhere in the West. It's normal to see people in China walk down the street with cat ears/tail or crazy-coloured hair or traditional clothes than anywhere in the West. Cosplay is huge in China, too. People will (rightfully) think you are desperate for attention, though.
You need to realize that all of the people who tell you that "China bad" are paid shills who want to manipulate you into hating China. The same kind of people did the same against the USSR (which also wasn't bad).
Reminds me of "visual kei" movement in Japan.
EDIT: oh just reached the part where you mentioned it in the video.
Flock of Seagulls stuck in the 80s.
Thought they were just going through their version of the 80s like the US.
It looked like a fun underground movement.
Thanks for making the video. I had no idea.
they were also huge in Iran
8:15 Guangdong is pronounced "Gwong-dong" btw
They remind me of a unique mix of *early skinhead culture + emo scene culture* - with Chinese characteristics (to borrow a phrase their government is fond of saying).
"It has something for people who have nothing." As a Chinese, I'm touched by this comment, despite not being one of Shamate.
Honestly, fun to see kids being kids even in such a conformist country like China.
Reminds me a lot of a swedish subculture that existed back in the 00:s. We called them "Fjortisar".
VISUAL KEI, what a lovely memories I get from this. Often seen in Jrock in Japan :)
It's always amazing, whatever country your are in, that the majority "right" is always demanding that you wear what your told to wear.
Conservative fashion police are international
I adore your videos jimmy ma boy! And your english sounds so authentic, a really nice language to hear someone speak and explain well researched content. Keep up the good work ❤
14:06 what on earth is this shinee ring ding dong parody cover? XD
It's nice to see something different and vibrant like that blossom in another country
"the big tree attracts the most wind" only applicable in a society where backstabbing and turning in your neighbor gets you credit score points.
nah it happens everywhere. also, that is the most stereotypical comment i have ever seen
How much did the CCP pay you for this comment?@@jason-qc5lr
I would counter with, yes, but also the most sunlight
@@jason-qc5lr no, actually...it really doesn't. Majority of the world likes novelty
@@cinnastag nigga i live in china
actually these chinese got their style from a vietnamese boy band called HKT, and this band used to be very popular in china back in the day
if you liked this, i'd suggest watching Serpentza's videos on the subject to get a more informative scope of the situation. he lived in china for 14 years and actually associated with some of them, giving him real world experience on the subject. it's wayyyy more informative and gives a background on the subculture. leo foxing is not the "creator" of this. its been around LONG before he was in the scene. i'd suggest watching serpentza's videos on it if you want to know the actual background of the culture. im not saying this video was 'stolen' but, the similarities are.... interesting.
with that being said, jimmy, in love your videos. especially your videos on rollerblading, and the like. i dont know if you specifically made this video, or it was a suggestion/something suggested by your colleagues with a bunch of info fed to you... and im not saying only one person can 'report' on a topic, but this just seems kinda like a blatant rip-off off of already posted videos :\
i was thinking the same thing! looks like he watched serpentza's video and just made this based of that. >_>
Gotta love outcast chaos!
In Chinese it would be pronounced "sa ma tuh," even closer to the borrowed word, "smart." "Tā" sounds Japanese.
Luo FuXing - Lwo Foo Shing
But I guess that would ruin the rest of the jokes in the video.
Great vid!
The guy trying to claim spray painting his head with spiderwebs is his idea got it from early 2000s movies.
Ikr😂😂
Imagine being branded as criminals by the same people that are running concentration camps...
The Shamate aren't emo, they are punks. This is pretty similar to the punks and anarchists from the 80s and early 90s. And in the west the "non-conformists" faced a lot of attacks ever since the beatles had hair down to their ears. Essentially it took 30 years for the west to accept people being different.
They must also be Jedward fans 😂
Your journalism is top flight
Good thing about being a digital employee is, that when you screw up, they can't take your organs.
Proper nostalgic vibes from the old school screensaver in the background!
Japan went exactly through this in the 1980s. I was around back then and recall seeing it. A subculture of colorful youths that stood in stark contrast to the rest of the culture. I see this as a good thing. We can all agree it was a good thing for Japan. These conformist cultures need this kinda thing.
Yeah I don't get this condescending attitude, like they were wrong to express themselves and should have known better, rather than the society they live in being insane for going ballistic about it.
And what was the reaction of the rest of the Japanese back then? Does the subculture still exist now?
@@GL-iv4rw Japanese adults were outraged then. And um, yeah, the culture is still around... Ever heard of... Um... otaku culture?
@@Shadders2010 Yeah otaku is still not widely accepted for understandable reasons. I think a better comparison would be ones that this shamate was inspired from. Was Lolita and visual kew ever shun, but they are accepted now. Even western ones like goth are mostly accepted. You would shun shamate as well (as do I, because it's ugly and cringe) if it developed in a rich first world country like the west.
@@GL-iv4rw Still exists, but waaay less than in the early 2000s. Visual Kei for the most part has also changed it's style a bit more to glittery-vampire-kpop-style. Tokyo's Harajuku used to have all the shops for it, now most of it is gone over to kpop.
Huge video. 3:04 that's literally my dad's phone and melody and boy it's so loud I jump out of my chair each time.
Never get bored of your RuneScape references 😂
This guy watched 1 documentary, browsed wikipedia for 5 mins and decided to make a 20 minute video. SO much wrong with this
i think it's wholesome. you think about how much pressure there was on them to conform, to get a fade and a v-neck, and they said fuck that. these kids was killing it.
There's also heartfelt, warm, touching, fervent, genial, tender, amorous, soulful, romantic, sentimental...whimsical is a good one.
I love the style. It's art and these people are beautiful canvasses
Agreed
fuxing is almost certainly like [foo][shin] /fʊʃɪŋ/
in visual kei kei is like /keɪ/ in case. come on you literally have the correct pronunciation in the edit.
minimal amount of research into phonetics would go a long way.
That plus mispronouncing David Bowie’s last name really annoyed me. Given some of his other videos I think this guy just guesses at how to say things. I watched another of his videos earlier today and he pronounced Jackie Onassis as O-nas-y and idk where he got that from
@@raeganj6744I'm fairly certain this dude hires ghost writers to make the scripts for his videos. A lot of popular RUclipsrs secretly don't write their own videos
I know it means a lot to you, and this is your language, and you want it right. But really, we don't care, it's fun to say fuxing. Over and over, for the heck of it. We're westerners, it's what we do. I got a name like Livengood, you should hear what everybody does with that. Had a friend who had this complicated Indian name that went on forever, Shanmigossundruhmumum...so everyone called him Shan Was Here. It's a joke...funny...you know, laughing.
This was honestly really well done and informative. I was expecting a shitpost and got a documentary.
I think Shamate is more like Scene kids, both in fashion style and music. Even the bullying kinda reminds me of the whole Kiki Kannibal drama. Except Shamate was more organized, are specifically working class kids, and less creepy (in terms of the sexual content of the music) than Scene.
Huh
scene is not the same as emo. Shamate is closer to the western scene culture than emo@@longiusaescius2537
I was watching this video expecting something totally different. It's wild because I run one arguably the best visual kei channel for underground bands, having uploaded hundreds of bands, and I was very surprised to see my kind of music mentioned here. It's almost surreal to me and I don't know how to feel about it.
It's not so unexpected, considering there were a few Chinese Visual Keio bands back in the day. BTW interesting channel you got.
so shamate has ellements of emo, japanese punk (including visual kai), and classical Dandyism.
Visual KEI.
This is actually really well researched 😭 also fyi fuxing is pronounced [Foo Shing] and not fucksing LOL, Visual Kei is pronounced [Visual Kay] and not Visual Kee
Ah now I'm kinda disappointed he isn't called fucksing xD
wdym i don't know anything about the subject and even i see that this is terribly researched
you should give Serpentza / thechinashow credit for this video. this is pretty much his video's he makes on them. same title, thumbnail and everything. >_>
ikr? looks like he just watched hsi video, then reworded it a bit. plus, he's missing out on key parts of it. x_x