Here's the thing....their claims of being motivated to fight for their rights and the rights of other artists in the industry, is hard to swallow when it wasn't "motivating" enough UNTIL their creative director/CEO got caught in a long-standing scheme to poach them, and after getting caught, was reprimanded. It STILL wasn't motivating enough after NJ pleaded to have her reinstated as CEO. It became slightly more "motivating" when it was clear she would not be reinstated, so then all of a sudden unfair treatment swam to the surface as the main factor for NJ speaking out (and not AT ALL like a thinly veiled threat if their list of demands weren't met/s). And ITS STILL not motivating enough to bring it to court and sue. Meanwhile all around them artists in more dire straights are going that extra mile and suing their labels. Even NJ knows they have nothing comparable and knows they have better of a chance at the court of public opinion (where feels, not facts, are all that matter), than to try their luck in the real world court of law. I'm not saying there doesnt need to be some sort of reform to the contract system, but I AM saying that NJ never seemed to have a problem with their contract until they didn't get everything they wanted (which their contract probably never even promised...since when does an artist's contract state that they can decide the label's CEO?). Somehow I have a feeling if MHJ was reinstated as CEO, and the manager was brought in to bow forehead to ground at Hanni's feet, all of a sudden all those claims of mistreatment (I say all, but really there was none brought to light so far), would poof, disappear. So to me it sounds like they are using an issue that does affect artists (but not them in this case), as a way to manipulate getting their way. They are damaging real claims of mistreatment, abuse, fraud, for their own selfish gains. BC they would suck back in all that hot air they've been spouting for the last two months in a MINUTE, if they were promised their way.
No, I definitely agree with that but regardless of the reason why they’re doing it like I mentioned him before the video there is financial motivations as well but at the end of the day, the predator people in the situation is hybe and I don’t like min but at the end of the day if you watch my other videos if she is able to successfully do this, it will benefit most K-pop groups and to me it’s worth it. I don’t care why she’s doing it even though we all know it’s not for the right reasons the potential benefit is worth having to tolerate someone like her.
Forcing to adapted US music industry contract system in South Korea especially in idols industry is weird😂 There's huge gap in the market scales. In US, 3 album in 5 years are notably guaranteed sufficient profits for the labels, because they didn't have to invests extra budgets to train their artists skills. Most of the US artists who signed a contract with labels are ready made, most of them even coming with their own crafts. So the record labels mostly just act as pure publisher. While their domestic market already huge, almost every big US record labels still had their representatives all over the worlds, albums distribution are well taken care of, the songs they publish guaranteed played in radio stations worldwide. So they don't have to worried much about promotions. While in SK, idols industry still more like fabricated. Most of the labels also act as the agency whereas they should give training to youngsters to improve their skills first before give them chance to debut, and it's already costs those labels fortunes. And South Korean's labels companies didn't have the luxury of organized reprenstatives in every part of the worlds like US labels had. While the productions costs and the margins of products are relatively the same. To reach global market they had to spend extra large budgets to promotion properly. So, instead of pushing the same contract system in small domestic SK music industry market to the US system, you might as well asked those South Korean labels companies to change them self into charitable organisations.
That’s an unworkable and naive notion, that you can walk back your contract down the road, after the company has spent a breathtaking amount of money on you? That’s messed up. When you own your own business, remake this video.
Well, like I said before, it is your fault if you miscalculate your investment in 14-year-old and second of all I don’t care if you invested your money, why would you invest in something to unethical the current system K-pop functions under is unethical so if you invest your money in blood money and you lose it because people are getting human rights, that’s not my problem
Blaming the company alone is not fair the difference between Kpop and America is in America, most Americans are already coming with the talent in Korea they have to build them from the ground up, which takes a lot of money and time. Maybe if they didn't have the training system, they would be able to carry on their image.
As much as I want to agree with you, but people in the group are more important than one of the company does outside of breaking the budget for example example Soyeon straykids big bang 2ne1 infinite are some examples of groups who were self-made and only relied on their company for budgets and sometimes had to contribute to the budget not only that some of the groups on this list did better after they left their company with their group name yes companies are vital for the production of things, but new jeans would not be new if the members did not play their role by embody in the persona of each member. That’s also part of their job to have a certain personality and the girls have it down to the T. It doesn’t matter how much budget a group has if the members are not able to sell the concept of the group the group will not successful so it doesn’t matter how much training you get if you’re not the it factor you’re not the factor I don’t get why it keeps going over everyone’s head like I said before, regardless of the fact that the companies and investors have to invest into this group the contract they provide are unethical so it doesn’t matter if you are choosing to invest in 14-year-olds that’s a choice you’re choosing to make however expecting people to abide by a contract that does not allow you to have autonomy over yourself is unethical which makes whatever concern about the companies invalid
KPOP "ethical" is not the same as other countries. The KPOP contracts are common practice in Korea. I blame the greedy parents and lawyers from not properly reading the contract and now they want to complain about the terms and conditions.
You will definitely love my next video because they did read the contract that is what I am trying to say maybe you didn’t make it 8 minutes in but I said what’s why I think min hee jin will win because she was the CEO of ador and was in charge of the contracts so she knows exactly what is on there
No . Nj has zero evidence to cancel their contracts. If nj wanted to leave then they should have filled with the court. They will need to pay the penalty
You twisted all facts and sound like bunnies. The Old Pants and their Mama Roach have different cases with TVXQ and Bigbang. Tvxq might fight against their company for fairness, but the Old Pants case started because their Mama Roach wanted to snatch Ador from Hybe with the help of one of the girl’s uncle. They do not bring evidence of all their claims to court. Bigbang case was one of their member committed criminal acts, which destroyed Bigbang. If the Old Pants want to have more hold of their share, they should follow BTS example, by becoming shareholder of Ador. BTS is owner and the 5th biggest shareholder of Hybe. Too bad, the Old Pants are soo stupid and act like brats, throwing tantrums and ultimatums without evidence at media, not the court.
Indeed...these channel sounds so desperate to see newjeans to win while everything newjeans did is completely the opposite😂 Loona and TVXQ clearly had a solid ground with evidences in their claims of getting harassment and mistreatment. And the court of justice granted their claims. While none of 8 points in newjeans claims as harassment and mistreatment qualified to cancel any legitimate exclusive contract, all those points showed nothing more than just personal dissatisfaction. That's why they never brought it to the court of justice, instead they drag it to the court of public opinions hoping Ador would make a stupid silly mistakes😂 because their legal adviser knows exactly they'll lose easily going to court with only those 8 points. Perhaps if they're humbling them self since the beginning of MHJ exit and asking Ador/Hybe to negotiate about their desire to leave following MHJ, hybe might granted it with some kind of agreement. But now the damages already done and everyone should wait until the court hearing about Hybe's claims of MHJ breaching the contract and other allegations against her begin in early 2025. If she's proven guilty in most of those cases, then newjeans career would likely ended up since they'd always said they wouldn't be able to work without her😂
I would like to see New Jeans come out on the "winning side" of this situation........but the odds are definitely not on their side. The truth is, the Kpop industry is not the only component of modern South Korean culture/society that is partially or significantly based on US culture and principle; even their national constitution is based primarily on the US Constitution. But Korean/Asian historical norms still have a strong impact on most aspects of Korean society........and legal/institutional processes moreso than others. Some people in America will still complain that laws in the US greatly benefit corporations over the individual. But that is simply not true; especially if you compare "now" to 50-60 years ago. But most Asian societies, including Korea, still have what might be considered a feudal system mindset; the owner/boss has a CLEAR advantage over the worker. Like the examples that you give of Nancy and 2NE1 and VCHA; those kind of unfair contractual conditions could EASILY be disputed in the US. In the US, restrictions in contracts like those could be grounds for the ENTIRE contract to be invalidated! And you make an excellent point of how most contracts in Kpop are set up to put all of the risk on the performers; even if the performers never make a net profit, they are STILL responsible for repaying all expenses to the agency! That sh!t would never fly in the US. Here, any "investment" that an agency or company makes in a performer is considered a voluntary risk. No way an agency can place all of that risk on the performers. Unfairness in Kpop contracts have been exposed in the past, but not really challenged. Most legal changes that occurred in the US came about because of some landmark challenge, such as what New Jeans is facing now. This MAY be a turning point in the legal system in Korea as it applies to Kpop, but also the Korean legal system in general.
It’s easy to always blame companies for these contracts. Company greed, etc. The contract is between a company and an artist. An artist does not have to sign a contract if they don’t agree with the terms. As a minor, their parents represent them and sign those contracts. Shouldn’t they blame their parents for agreeing to such contracts? A company will try and get terms that benefit them. Just like anyone else. It is the responsibility of parents and artists to get terms that benefit themselves. The time to argue a contract is before you sign it. The industry standard changes when parents and artists stop agreeing to these contracts in the first place. It is not the responsibility of a company to fight for favorable terms for the artist. That’s the job of the parents and artists. It is their responsibility to have legal counsel to review contracts. To make sure they understand all the terms of the contract. And to negotiate for better terms. Most importantly, be willing to walk away if unable to conclude negotiations on terms all can agree to. But parental greed and artist unwillingness to refuse cont terms is what gets them in trouble. USA record companies had artists tied down with unfavorable contracts. It changed not because companies all of a sudden became angels. It changed because artists stopped agreeing to those contracts. It is a contract, an agreement that both parties sign. They sign saying, “ I am signing of my own free will that I agree with what is listed and will abide by its terms.” It is
So then you agreed on NEWJEANS is trying to change the future of K-pop by leaving the contract something a lot of groups have done. The benefited the entire industry I gave you guys a lot of examples but for some reason when it comes to new jeans, everyone has lost their brain cells. second of all, there’s no tough love in K-pop contracts. It’s pathetic that this company don’t have to try with you. You’re trying to convince me that at the end of the day it all goes down to the contract when no one should be looking for a 14-year-old to sign a seven year contract to K-pop is unethical in so many ways and I will never entertain any conversation about contract “validity”like I said before it’s tough luck if you chose to invest in 14-year-olds and it didn’t work out. Like I said in the video, no one is debating if they have to abide by the contract they signed. The answer is yes but then I asked again. Are those contractual terms valid to begin with and the answer I came with is no based on the fact that these people don’t have any rights and ownership over themselves, which is bullshit and lastly in the west, even if you’re tied into a contract you like you’re able to leave and as soon as three years, most of them don’t last longer than three years unless someone like Beyoncé that has influence and does not need to protect your self by signing a short contract even beyond herself has released almost 3 albums in five years because she wants to leave her label. If you include Carter boy act three that will be out by 2025. Cardi B has not released an album in six years because she does not want to leave her label. She likes the label so she’s just releasing singles and not releasing her albums, like her contract said because if she releases those albums, then her label is allowed to kick her out and to avoid that she only releases hit singles i’m not sure if you watch the entire video but the one thing I wanted to emphasize is the fact that these people should be allowed to own their image they should be allowed to own their name they should be allowed to own the merch, their music, their tour revenue, even if they choose to leave the label and that is the most important part of this before the length of their contract
NJ could win the ability to end their contract. But NJ is not arguing whether the terms of the contract are unreasonable or ethical. They contend that Ador violated the terms of the contract. And due to Ador not complying with contract terms, they can terminate the contract without penalty. If they have indisputable evidence, then they win. But I’m not sure about whether that will benefit other Kpop idols or cause changes. Because NJ didn’t have a problem with their contract. It is the opposite. They are using the agreed terms in the contract to terminate the contract. If they win, I guess it could show other idols that having certain terms in a contract will give you a way out of a contract. 14-year-olds and contract terms. It is ethically and morally gross what minors get trapped in because of one-sided contracts. Seven years is long. But as long as it is legal, companies will go for it. Ethics and morality are low on companies’ priorities. Yes, it would be nice if it was held higher up and used when making decisions. Making profits for its shareholders is the top priority. But again, these minors can’t end up in these slave contracts unless the parents agree to it. It would be awesome if companies would proactively change and offer better contracts. But ultimately, it is the parents’ responsibility to not agree to having their kids tied to such contracts. Until the child is old enough to sign for themselves, it is the parents who put their kids in these situations. As far as ownership of music, group names, and other rights, yes, they should have the ability to get ownership. But ownership was not stolen from them. They willingly gave it up when they agreed to the contract. Is it right? Is it ethical? Should there be a standard clause which returns ownership when they leave company? Well, in a way, at some jobs, you give up your rights to ownership of what you make or develop. A home designer working for a company doesn’t get to take the designs he came up with while with the company. A biologist or chemist working for a drug company doesn’t get to claim ownership of any groundbreaking medicine they discover or make. An engineer working at SpaceX doesn’t get to claim ownership of his genius design that made rockets operate more efficiently. They all gave up that right in exchange for a paycheck. Couldn’t the same be said for artists? They originally had the right to ownership of songs they wrote, produced, and sang. Rights to use their name and likeness to sell merchandise, etc. But they willingly gave up ownership and rights to a company in exchange for whatever the company provided them. Or is it different because there is more value in what singers and artist make? There are artists that have kept ownership and rights even after signing with a label. So it is not something that automatically happens when artists sign with a label. Artists choose to give up ownership when they negotiated, put it in writing, and then agreed by signing. Legally right vs. ethical and morally right. You, most of your viewers, and I think in terms of is this ethical and morally right? Then move on to whether it’s legal. The company thinks is this legal, is it profitable? Then next is to what degree is it ethical and is there any financial cost if not ethical? 😞😞
Really appreciated this vid because it's bringing this sh*t show back to main point everyone is missing here: contracts in the K-Pop industry exploit young people and children. Anyone saying they're common only proves that point! Artists and their families are pressured to sign because they don't have any other choice in an industry where this type of contract is standard. So WTF is wrong with you people defending those contracts? Did people forget how many artists unalive themselves in that industry?! Vid is ON POINT that this system is broken. Know why? Because every friggin' year there's news with artists fighting to leave, groups disbanding, and in some cases young people unaliving themselves. We should be supporting Korean artists and groups fighting to change things and make it better for everyone. Now listen, I'm not Korean, so I'm not here to tell Korean society what they should or should not do. I just want to support Korean artists like NJ who are making shock waves and finally getting ppl who defend these contracts (again, WTF, why?) to have these difficult conversations and admit something is really wrong in the industry. I'm leaving it for them to decide on what they want for themselves and their industry. And let's be real, if things were working well for everybody, NJ would not have been able to go this far and things wouldn't become this messy. Honestly I'm with Chronicseed and don't give 2 Fs about Minheejin because she's just another cog in that system and part of the problem. It shouldn't change your support for NJ if you truly care about the rights and mental health of young women and artists.
@@ChronicSeed.y IKR?! It’s so annoying bec your vid is the best I’ve seen so far and you bring up really interesting things no one is talking about, like WHO wrote their contract. Everyone is here dismissing NJ and calling them idiots. And honestly, it’s disturbing how sexist and racist a lot of the comments are. It’s like how people don’t take girls’ opinions seriously, especially Asian women and girls who are fetishized as submissive. No one is asking why NJ are so confident in walking away from ADOR. It can’t be that ALL of the members, their families, employees, and lawyers (members like Minji come from $$$, so they’ve def got expensive lawyers) are all just straight up delulu. I think you’re right, that MHJ is the architect of that contract, and she knows all the loopholes and cracks. There’s something there that we just don’t know yet. Another thing no one bothers to ask is why NJ choose to support MHJ. They’re just dismissed as ‘groomed girls’ as if they have zero agency or nothing to gain. Your vid got me thinking about how the industry plays a part in this. Every single entertainment industry around the world is male dominated and full of predatory men. Yeah, MHJ is an awful person and she’s probably made it this far in her career because she’s just as shady as a lot of these men in power. But ppl, use some logic here! Is it that insane that a woman in a position of power like MHJ would make young women and girls like NJ feel safer with her and protected by her over some older dudes? If I was in NJ shoes I would probably do the same and be loyal to MHJ bec I’d feel like I can only gain that safety and be taken seriously by her over some weird ass dude like Bang Sihyuk. If women and girls worked in an industry that was safe for them, MHJ wouldn't be seen like this as some saviour. I think at the end of the day ppl just see celebrities like NJ living their dreams and it’s not fair that only they get to do that. So they shouldn’t be allowed to complain about mistreatment when they already receive so much privilege in being pretty, thin, light skinned, and rich. That type of thinking is so dehumanizing and messed up. Just because someone is attractive and rich it doesn’t mean it’s okay for another person to hit them and beat them down. Pppl defending these contracts are basically saying: "Well, you're decked out in Gucci, so I don't think it's unfair that you can only have 1 meal a day and can't even choose what you want to eat...You don't get to call that starving and complain about it when we can't even afford a zipper on a Gucci wallet but you can"
@@ChronicSeed.y IKR?! It’s so annoying bec your vid is the best I’ve seen so far and you bring up really interesting things no one is talking about, like WHO wrote their contract. Everyone is here dismissing NJ and calling them idiots. And honestly, it’s disturbing how sexist and racist a lot of the comments are. It’s like how people don’t take girls’ opinions seriously, especially Asian women and girls who are fetishized as submissive. No one is asking why NJ are so confident in walking away from ADOR. It can’t be that ALL of the members, their families, employees, and lawyers (members like Minji come from $$$, so they’ve def got expensive lawyers) are all just straight up delulu. I think you’re right, that MHJ is the architect of that contract, and she knows all the loopholes and cracks. There’s something there that we just don’t know yet. Another thing no one bothers to ask is why NJ choose to support MHJ. They’re just dismissed as ‘groomed girls’ as if they have zero agency or nothing to gain. Your vid got me thinking about how the industry plays a part in this. Every single entertainment industry around the world is male dominated and full of predatory men. Yeah, MHJ is an awful person and she’s probably made it this far in her career because she’s just as shady as a lot of these men in power. But ppl, use some logic here! Is it that insane that a woman in a position of power like MHJ would make young women and girls like NJ feel safer with her and protected by her over some older dudes? If I was in NJ shoes I would probably do the same and be loyal to MHJ bec I’d feel like I can only gain that safety and be taken seriously by her over some weird ass dude like Bang Sihyuk. If women and girls worked in an industry that was safe for them, MHJ wouldn't be seen like this as some saviour. I think at the end of the day ppl just see celebrities like NJ living their dreams and it’s not fair that only they get to do that. So they shouldn’t be allowed to complain about mistreatment when they already receive so much privilege in being pretty, thin, light skinned, and rich. That type of thinking is so dehumanizing and messed up. Just because someone is attractive and rich it doesn’t mean it’s okay for another person to hit them and beat them down. Pppl defending these contracts are basically saying: "Well, you're decked out in Gucci, so I don't think it's unfair that you can only have 1 meal a day and can't even choose what you want to eat...You don't get to call that starving and complain about it when we can't even afford a zipper on a Gucci wallet but you can"
First it was nj and their parents that chose to sign the contract. Ador and hybe have provided everything for them. Luxury penthouse dormitory, Luxury brand ambassador, million dollars each, private salon on the 16 floor. Nj is privilege. Not mistreated. Mhj has 15 lawsuits against her. Nj are still under contract with ador. If you want to leave you need to file with the court. Bring evidence. And pay your penalty
stop using other groups for clout! If Njs had grounds they wouldnt need to use others to "pad" their case. Its nothing short of embarrassment Njs has nothing concrete apart from "their manager told them to ignore me!
Did you watch the entire video because idk how you came to this conclusion The point of this video is to not be afraid of change 1. tvxq helped change the length of contracts even though it cost them 2. How A western style deal would benefit everyone in the industry especially the idols who need more protection now that the are not seen as employees so they only have human rights which is the bare minimum in K-pop and it’s always possible to enforce 3. All the people that have been harmed in many ways by the predatory K-pop contract 4. NEWJEANS influence will make it easier for everyone else to
@@ChronicSeed.y and there we have it, number 4. New Jeans arent Martyrs, they are spoilt children who want to follow their toxic mama and have no qualms about lying through their teeth about how they have been treated by Ador to go with her and not have to pay any penalties. There is nothing wrong or underhanded about their contract, New Jeans is a terrible example of someone who is locked into an unethical contract. There are plenty of other idols who need their contracts scrutinised, New Jeans is not one of them. In 2023, each member reportedly received approximately ₩5.2 billion KRW (around $3.8 million USD) in settlement payments. Debt Clearance: HYBE is said to have cleared any pre-existing debts for the members, ensuring they could focus on their careers without financial burdens. Exclusive Facilities: The group was provided with dedicated spaces, including access to the 16th floor of the company's building, offering them a private and comfortable environment for their activities including their own styling and makeup room while the rest of Hybe shares another makeup and styling room which are available through booking. Also, the upper most label floor is usually reserved for the premium group of the company... new Jeans is on the 16th floor, BTS is on the 15th. Personalized Application: NewJeans had their own app, Phoning, designed to enhance interaction with fans and provide exclusive content, thereby strengthening their fan engagement. Rest Periods: The members were granted two months of rest after each comeback, allowing them time to recharge and maintain their well-being amidst a demanding schedule. Ambassadorial Roles: In 2023, NewJeans were appointed as honorary ambassadors of Seoul, receiving a fee of ₩240 million KRW (about $171,000 USD), marking the highest compensation for this role to date. Industry Connections: As part of HYBE's network, NewJeans had access to a broad range of industry contacts, enhancing opportunities for collaborations and media exposure. Global Reach: Leveraging HYBE's global platform, ADOR facilitated NewJeans' entry into international markets, expanding their fan base and global recognition. So yeah, they have been bullied and victimised by Adore and Hybe.
yes I did watch it and came back with content complete with receipts... but you keep on deleting it,,,3x. So you hate someone with a cohesive narrative that goes against your narrative.
Essay incoming: Omg the fact u brought up 360 deals is so perfect because that is literally what they are. The company owned everything gets a large piece of the pie no matter what. And even when u leave they won’t give u anything and will continue to use ur work and name to make even more money. (Artist are sometimes worth more when dead, just trying to show how shady these labels are) And it’s the fact idols have to pay for almost everything from the make up artist to the people on tour to sometimes their own music videos like a lot of these things come out of the budget of the artist, even if the company is paying for it. Like I don’t know if you remember the 50-50 thing but the CEO from attract sold his car and then made the 50/50 girls pay it off at off by including it in there debt. One time I said that K-pop idols should unionize and people literally tried to tell me that it would crumble the K-pop industry. The K-pop industry deserves to crumble if it can’t handle over people asking for fair pay and basic human rights. Maybe it’s because I’m American and I’ve seen these type of situations happen between artist and record labels. It doesn’t matter if the artist has a lot of money, if the record label is not doing their part then they’re not doing their part. Like look at Taylor Swift when she started to re-recording her music when she got screwed over by her record label. Like she has a lot of money, so what, I’m not mad at her. Also great example with KG because literally the VCHA girls had to pay off that house (500k each) and even if they could pay they would still not own it would be JYPE house. LIKE HOW IS THAT FAIR. I really feel like people don’t like NJ so they are purposefully changing the issue. Or maybe there just to stuck in the fanwar mentality to understand this is probably happening to there fave. No idol is exempt from there companies treating them like their disposable dolls . EDIT: love ur voice
Really. Because the company investment all it money and resources in to the artists. The company provid everything for the artists. The music industry and entertainment industry are business. The point of a business is to make money. So you can pay staff ,artists and run the company.
The right of music was on the company.. Why because the company produce the music..with out the company investment they cannot produce or advertise your music..unless you have money to support on your own experiences
That’s not true for example in the western industry, you get money to produce your album and then if you recoup the cost, then the label pays you the difference after they take a smaller cut of the profit even though the label gave you the money you take the bigger cut of the profit but not in K-pop even if you work on your music in K-pop and the label provides the budget label gets to keep most of it even though all they did was provide a budget, for example (G)I-DLE and for example, BIGBANG that’s ridiculous and the NEWJEANS members also work on their music so it should be equally there if not more but for some reason hybe and the rest of the companies think they should own it and not the people who actually made it for example G Dragon
You just proved my point because the company is meant to provide the budget and that’s it. The members work equally as hard if not harder than the company because what do you mean by you give me $20,000 and then I go to the studio to record music I go to the Studio to take pictures for an ad. I go to the studio to record a music video I go on tour I go and do everything else and then I make $1 million which means you made a profit of now $980,000 and then you keep 900,000 and give me 80,000 that’s crazy When I did all the work if you watched my full video you would see that I said that the new members don’t have anything to be grateful for because they are just as important when it comes to the success of NewJeans being a trainee is not enough you also have to have the it factor which those girls have.
@@ChronicSeed.y wester ok..western music was in sales mode..i mean is you will create a song write a song and sell it to producer..but some times the composer dont sell it .the composer sing it but in the help of producer
the right,of their name (group name) will be or can be win by the group in the process of contract..what i mean is if youre group and youre company will deals that your group will disband with out any bridge of contract your group can carry your name but it will take a matter of time or years
I F HATE MHJ BUT I WILL ALWAYS SAY The girls chose the minimum less worst side for them and im not even talking about how all the groups from Hybe are treated like they are, did you all forgot about Fromis_9? The girls didnt even have the opportunity, and with Newjeans something important is trust, and Hybe broke that trust, yeah mhj is a shitty person but MHJ gived the girls the chance to be in the group even all those years the girls wanted to bee in a group under Source, Minji almost didnt debut even from all those years training, i know MHJ was making long the ru to debut but really Hybe give her their own damn label for that? Thats just unprofressional and the people say that is the fault of MHJ when, yeah, but you know what, that affected Le sserafim because Hybe is a fabric, the poor girls werent even properly trained and this affected them just because Hybe wanted his group fast, and now they give MHJ their own label when supposedly she wasnt doing their job? Again, shes a bad person but Hybe did all wrong, and dont make me talk about dispatch, are we going to trust in the same persons who haven making rumors about many idols and ruining their lives? Even before all the Hybe documents where leaked? In some degree i believe MHJ is the worst but god please we know hybe use dispatch in certain situations not to mention that they know damn well that they have many big fandoms on their side and the know damn well that they can use the bad image of MHJ to attack the girls when THEY where the persons who left the girl with that women
All I know is that NewJeans members looked way healthier and mentally stronger under Min Hee Jin compares to other KPop female artists. And even other Kpop artists that the haters are supporting loves them, of course they have their own community that is strictly for artists only. So, why should I believe what the haters are saying or someone who criticize them. And for haters, stop being so mad at NewJeans just because your ultimate crushes or ex's wallpapers are them or each NJ members 😂😂😂
So...what you're saying is....all of their mistreatment only happened since MHJ was deposed, so let's say since May? But that's funny bc all of the mistreatment they claimed, happened WHILE MHJ was CEO. So you're saying that while their claims may be true, they were minor enough instances that it had no affect on their wellbeing or ability to do their job well. Glad we agree on something. That's always a good feeling to land on common ground.
@@jademelon7272 Well, possibly because of ILLIT plagiarism issue. I think Hybe or Belift just want to use ILLIT just to capitalize that NewJeans dreamy vibes, once people got sick to it,then they will get rid of ILLIT which is i feel bad for the members. I actually like this conversation,well if there's something that you didn't understand,feel free to reply and speak out
Some useless s. 😂. What kind of a joke is this? Did you believe they will change the industry? With what? Manipulation,lies, Entitlement or tempering? .which one?
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Here's the thing....their claims of being motivated to fight for their rights and the rights of other artists in the industry, is hard to swallow when it wasn't "motivating" enough UNTIL their creative director/CEO got caught in a long-standing scheme to poach them, and after getting caught, was reprimanded. It STILL wasn't motivating enough after NJ pleaded to have her reinstated as CEO. It became slightly more "motivating" when it was clear she would not be reinstated, so then all of a sudden unfair treatment swam to the surface as the main factor for NJ speaking out (and not AT ALL like a thinly veiled threat if their list of demands weren't met/s). And ITS STILL not motivating enough to bring it to court and sue. Meanwhile all around them artists in more dire straights are going that extra mile and suing their labels. Even NJ knows they have nothing comparable and knows they have better of a chance at the court of public opinion (where feels, not facts, are all that matter), than to try their luck in the real world court of law.
I'm not saying there doesnt need to be some sort of reform to the contract system, but I AM saying that NJ never seemed to have a problem with their contract until they didn't get everything they wanted (which their contract probably never even promised...since when does an artist's contract state that they can decide the label's CEO?). Somehow I have a feeling if MHJ was reinstated as CEO, and the manager was brought in to bow forehead to ground at Hanni's feet, all of a sudden all those claims of mistreatment (I say all, but really there was none brought to light so far), would poof, disappear.
So to me it sounds like they are using an issue that does affect artists (but not them in this case), as a way to manipulate getting their way. They are damaging real claims of mistreatment, abuse, fraud, for their own selfish gains. BC they would suck back in all that hot air they've been spouting for the last two months in a MINUTE, if they were promised their way.
No, I definitely agree with that but regardless of the reason why they’re doing it like I mentioned him before the video there is financial motivations as well but at the end of the day, the predator people in the situation is hybe and I don’t like min but at the end of the day if you watch my other videos if she is able to successfully do this, it will benefit most K-pop groups and to me it’s worth it. I don’t care why she’s doing it even though we all know it’s not for the right reasons the potential benefit is worth having to tolerate someone like her.
@@ChronicSeed.y you delulu Bunny. Lol. Sure.
Forcing to adapted US music industry contract system in South Korea especially in idols industry is weird😂
There's huge gap in the market scales. In US, 3 album in 5 years are notably guaranteed sufficient profits for the labels, because they didn't have to invests extra budgets to train their artists skills. Most of the US artists who signed a contract with labels are ready made, most of them even coming with their own crafts. So the record labels mostly just act as pure publisher. While their domestic market already huge, almost every big US record labels still had their representatives all over the worlds, albums distribution are well taken care of, the songs they publish guaranteed played in radio stations worldwide. So they don't have to worried much about promotions. While in SK, idols industry still more like fabricated. Most of the labels also act as the agency whereas they should give training to youngsters to improve their skills first before give them chance to debut, and it's already costs those labels fortunes. And South Korean's labels companies didn't have the luxury of organized reprenstatives in every part of the worlds like US labels had. While the productions costs and the margins of products are relatively the same. To reach global market they had to spend extra large budgets to promotion properly. So, instead of pushing the same contract system in small domestic SK music industry market to the US system, you might as well asked those South Korean labels companies to change them self into charitable organisations.
That’s an unworkable and naive notion, that you can walk back your contract down the road, after the company has spent a breathtaking amount of money on you? That’s messed up. When you own your own business, remake this video.
Well, like I said before, it is your fault if you miscalculate your investment in 14-year-old and second of all I don’t care if you invested your money, why would you invest in something to unethical the current system K-pop functions under is unethical so if you invest your money in blood money and you lose it because people are getting human rights, that’s not my problem
Blaming the company alone is not fair the difference between Kpop and America is in America, most Americans are already coming with the talent in Korea they have to build them from the ground up, which takes a lot of money and time. Maybe if they didn't have the training system, they would be able to carry on their image.
As much as I want to agree with you, but people in the group are more important than one of the company does outside of breaking the budget for example example Soyeon straykids big bang 2ne1 infinite are some examples of groups who were self-made and only relied on their company for budgets and sometimes had to contribute to the budget not only that some of the groups on this list did better after they left their company with their group name yes companies are vital for the production of things, but new jeans would not be new if the members did not play their role by embody in the persona of each member. That’s also part of their job to have a certain personality and the girls have it down to the T. It doesn’t matter how much budget a group has if the members are not able to sell the concept of the group the group will not successful so it doesn’t matter how much training you get if you’re not the it factor you’re not the factor I don’t get why it keeps going over everyone’s head like I said before, regardless of the fact that the companies and investors have to invest into this group the contract they provide are unethical so it doesn’t matter if you are choosing to invest in 14-year-olds that’s a choice you’re choosing to make however expecting people to abide by a contract that does not allow you to have autonomy over yourself is unethical which makes whatever concern about the companies invalid
KPOP "ethical" is not the same as other countries. The KPOP contracts are common practice in Korea. I blame the greedy parents and lawyers from not properly reading the contract and now they want to complain about the terms and conditions.
You will definitely love my next video because they did read the contract that is what I am trying to say maybe you didn’t make it 8 minutes in but I said what’s why I think min hee jin will win because she was the CEO of ador and was in charge of the contracts so she knows exactly what is on there
@@ChronicSeed.y U funny, do you think Hybe didn't read?
I dont think a court will force NewJeans to stay in ADOR, but they will make them compensate the company for leaving early
No . Nj has zero evidence to cancel their contracts. If nj wanted to leave then they should have filled with the court. They will need to pay the penalty
You twisted all facts and sound like bunnies. The Old Pants and their Mama Roach have different cases with TVXQ and Bigbang.
Tvxq might fight against their company for fairness, but the Old Pants case started because their Mama Roach wanted to snatch Ador from Hybe with the help of one of the girl’s uncle. They do not bring evidence of all their claims to court.
Bigbang case was one of their member committed criminal acts, which destroyed Bigbang.
If the Old Pants want to have more hold of their share, they should follow BTS example, by becoming shareholder of Ador. BTS is owner and the 5th biggest shareholder of Hybe.
Too bad, the Old Pants are soo stupid and act like brats, throwing tantrums and ultimatums without evidence at media, not the court.
Indeed...these channel sounds so desperate to see newjeans to win while everything newjeans did is completely the opposite😂 Loona and TVXQ clearly had a solid ground with evidences in their claims of getting harassment and mistreatment. And the court of justice granted their claims. While none of 8 points in newjeans claims as harassment and mistreatment qualified to cancel any legitimate exclusive contract, all those points showed nothing more than just personal dissatisfaction. That's why they never brought it to the court of justice, instead they drag it to the court of public opinions hoping Ador would make a stupid silly mistakes😂 because their legal adviser knows exactly they'll lose easily going to court with only those 8 points. Perhaps if they're humbling them self since the beginning of MHJ exit and asking Ador/Hybe to negotiate about their desire to leave following MHJ, hybe might granted it with some kind of agreement. But now the damages already done and everyone should wait until the court hearing about Hybe's claims of MHJ breaching the contract and other allegations against her begin in early 2025. If she's proven guilty in most of those cases, then newjeans career would likely ended up since they'd always said they wouldn't be able to work without her😂
I would like to see New Jeans come out on the "winning side" of this situation........but the odds are definitely not on their side.
The truth is, the Kpop industry is not the only component of modern South Korean culture/society that is partially or significantly based on US culture and principle; even their national constitution is based primarily on the US Constitution.
But Korean/Asian historical norms still have a strong impact on most aspects of Korean society........and legal/institutional processes moreso than others.
Some people in America will still complain that laws in the US greatly benefit corporations over the individual. But that is simply not true; especially if you compare "now" to 50-60 years ago.
But most Asian societies, including Korea, still have what might be considered a feudal system mindset; the owner/boss has a CLEAR advantage over the worker.
Like the examples that you give of Nancy and 2NE1 and VCHA; those kind of unfair contractual conditions could EASILY be disputed in the US. In the US, restrictions in contracts like those could be grounds for the ENTIRE contract to be invalidated!
And you make an excellent point of how most contracts in Kpop are set up to put all of the risk on the performers; even if the performers never make a net profit, they are STILL responsible for repaying all expenses to the agency! That sh!t would never fly in the US. Here, any "investment" that an agency or company makes in a performer is considered a voluntary risk. No way an agency can place all of that risk on the performers.
Unfairness in Kpop contracts have been exposed in the past, but not really challenged. Most legal changes that occurred in the US came about because of some landmark challenge, such as what New Jeans is facing now. This MAY be a turning point in the legal system in Korea as it applies to Kpop, but also the Korean legal system in general.
It’s easy to always blame companies for these contracts. Company greed, etc. The contract is between a company and an artist. An artist does not have to sign a contract if they don’t agree with the terms. As a minor, their parents represent them and sign those contracts. Shouldn’t they blame their parents for agreeing to such contracts? A company will try and get terms that benefit them. Just like anyone else. It is the responsibility of parents and artists to get terms that benefit themselves. The time to argue a contract is before you sign it. The industry standard changes when parents and artists stop agreeing to these contracts in the first place. It is not the responsibility of a company to fight for favorable terms for the artist. That’s the job of the parents and artists. It is their responsibility to have legal counsel to review contracts. To make sure they understand all the terms of the contract. And to negotiate for better terms. Most importantly, be willing to walk away if unable to conclude negotiations on terms all can agree to. But parental greed and artist unwillingness to refuse cont terms is what gets them in trouble. USA record companies had artists tied down with unfavorable contracts. It changed not because companies all of a sudden became angels. It changed because artists stopped agreeing to those contracts. It is a contract, an agreement that both parties sign. They sign saying, “ I am signing of my own free will that I agree with what is listed and will abide by its terms.” It is
So then you agreed on NEWJEANS is trying to change the future of K-pop by leaving the contract something a lot of groups have done. The benefited the entire industry I gave you guys a lot of examples but for some reason when it comes to new jeans, everyone has lost their brain cells. second of all, there’s no tough love in K-pop contracts. It’s pathetic that this company don’t have to try with you. You’re trying to convince me that at the end of the day it all goes down to the contract when no one should be looking for a 14-year-old to sign a seven year contract to K-pop is unethical in so many ways and I will never entertain any conversation about contract “validity”like I said before it’s tough luck if you chose to invest in 14-year-olds and it didn’t work out. Like I said in the video, no one is debating if they have to abide by the contract they signed. The answer is yes but then I asked again. Are those contractual terms valid to begin with and the answer I came with is no based on the fact that these people don’t have any rights and ownership over themselves, which is bullshit and lastly in the west, even if you’re tied into a contract you like you’re able to leave and as soon as three years, most of them don’t last longer than three years unless someone like Beyoncé that has influence and does not need to protect your self by signing a short contract even beyond herself has released almost 3 albums in five years because she wants to leave her label. If you include Carter boy act three that will be out by 2025. Cardi B has not released an album in six years because she does not want to leave her label. She likes the label so she’s just releasing singles and not releasing her albums, like her contract said because if she releases those albums, then her label is allowed to kick her out and to avoid that she only releases hit singles i’m not sure if you watch the entire video but the one thing I wanted to emphasize is the fact that these people should be allowed to own their image they should be allowed to own their name they should be allowed to own the merch, their music, their tour revenue, even if they choose to leave the label and that is the most important part of this before the length of their contract
NJ could win the ability to end their contract. But NJ is not arguing whether the terms of the contract are unreasonable or ethical. They contend that Ador violated the terms of the contract. And due to Ador not complying with contract terms, they can terminate the contract without penalty. If they have indisputable evidence, then they win. But I’m not sure about whether that will benefit other Kpop idols or cause changes. Because NJ didn’t have a problem with their contract. It is the opposite. They are using the agreed terms in the contract to terminate the contract. If they win, I guess it could show other idols that having certain terms in a contract will give you a way out of a contract. 14-year-olds and contract terms. It is ethically and morally gross what minors get trapped in because of one-sided contracts. Seven years is long. But as long as it is legal, companies will go for it. Ethics and morality are low on companies’ priorities. Yes, it would be nice if it was held higher up and used when making decisions. Making profits for its shareholders is the top priority. But again, these minors can’t end up in these slave contracts unless the parents agree to it. It would be awesome if companies would proactively change and offer better contracts. But ultimately, it is the parents’ responsibility to not agree to having their kids tied to such contracts. Until the child is old enough to sign for themselves, it is the parents who put their kids in these situations. As far as ownership of music, group names, and other rights, yes, they should have the ability to get ownership. But ownership was not stolen from them. They willingly gave it up when they agreed to the contract. Is it right? Is it ethical? Should there be a standard clause which returns ownership when they leave company? Well, in a way, at some jobs, you give up your rights to ownership of what you make or develop. A home designer working for a company doesn’t get to take the designs he came up with while with the company. A biologist or chemist working for a drug company doesn’t get to claim ownership of any groundbreaking medicine they discover or make. An engineer working at SpaceX doesn’t get to claim ownership of his genius design that made rockets operate more efficiently. They all gave up that right in exchange for a paycheck. Couldn’t the same be said for artists? They originally had the right to ownership of songs they wrote, produced, and sang. Rights to use their name and likeness to sell merchandise, etc. But they willingly gave up ownership and rights to a company in exchange for whatever the company provided them. Or is it different because there is more value in what singers and artist make? There are artists that have kept ownership and rights even after signing with a label. So it is not something that automatically happens when artists sign with a label. Artists choose to give up ownership when they negotiated, put it in writing, and then agreed by signing. Legally right vs. ethical and morally right. You, most of your viewers, and I think in terms of is this ethical and morally right? Then move on to whether it’s legal. The company thinks is this legal, is it profitable? Then next is to what degree is it ethical and is there any financial cost if not ethical? 😞😞
@@ChronicSeed.yhow do you think they will change the kpop industry? The girls some leaving legends or what? .lol what a joke.
Really appreciated this vid because it's bringing this sh*t show back to main point everyone is missing here: contracts in the K-Pop industry exploit young people and children. Anyone saying they're common only proves that point! Artists and their families are pressured to sign because they don't have any other choice in an industry where this type of contract is standard. So WTF is wrong with you people defending those contracts? Did people forget how many artists unalive themselves in that industry?! Vid is ON POINT that this system is broken. Know why? Because every friggin' year there's news with artists fighting to leave, groups disbanding, and in some cases young people unaliving themselves. We should be supporting Korean artists and groups fighting to change things and make it better for everyone. Now listen, I'm not Korean, so I'm not here to tell Korean society what they should or should not do. I just want to support Korean artists like NJ who are making shock waves and finally getting ppl who defend these contracts (again, WTF, why?) to have these difficult conversations and admit something is really wrong in the industry. I'm leaving it for them to decide on what they want for themselves and their industry. And let's be real, if things were working well for everybody, NJ would not have been able to go this far and things wouldn't become this messy. Honestly I'm with Chronicseed and don't give 2 Fs about Minheejin because she's just another cog in that system and part of the problem. It shouldn't change your support for NJ if you truly care about the rights and mental health of young women and artists.
Honestly, thank you for actually watching the video because I could tell in the comment section that a lot of people didn’t
@@ChronicSeed.y IKR?! It’s so annoying bec your vid is the best I’ve seen so far and you bring up really interesting things no one is talking about, like WHO wrote their contract. Everyone is here dismissing NJ and calling them idiots. And honestly, it’s disturbing how sexist and racist a lot of the comments are. It’s like how people don’t take girls’ opinions seriously, especially Asian women and girls who are fetishized as submissive. No one is asking why NJ are so confident in walking away from ADOR. It can’t be that ALL of the members, their families, employees, and lawyers (members like Minji come from $$$, so they’ve def got expensive lawyers) are all just straight up delulu. I think you’re right, that MHJ is the architect of that contract, and she knows all the loopholes and cracks. There’s something there that we just don’t know yet.
Another thing no one bothers to ask is why NJ choose to support MHJ. They’re just dismissed as ‘groomed girls’ as if they have zero agency or nothing to gain. Your vid got me thinking about how the industry plays a part in this. Every single entertainment industry around the world is male dominated and full of predatory men. Yeah, MHJ is an awful person and she’s probably made it this far in her career because she’s just as shady as a lot of these men in power. But ppl, use some logic here! Is it that insane that a woman in a position of power like MHJ would make young women and girls like NJ feel safer with her and protected by her over some older dudes? If I was in NJ shoes I would probably do the same and be loyal to MHJ bec I’d feel like I can only gain that safety and be taken seriously by her over some weird ass dude like Bang Sihyuk. If women and girls worked in an industry that was safe for them, MHJ wouldn't be seen like this as some saviour.
I think at the end of the day ppl just see celebrities like NJ living their dreams and it’s not fair that only they get to do that. So they shouldn’t be allowed to complain about mistreatment when they already receive so much privilege in being pretty, thin, light skinned, and rich. That type of thinking is so dehumanizing and messed up. Just because someone is attractive and rich it doesn’t mean it’s okay for another person to hit them and beat them down. Pppl defending these contracts are basically saying: "Well, you're decked out in Gucci, so I don't think it's unfair that you can only have 1 meal a day and can't even choose what you want to eat...You don't get to call that starving and complain about it when we can't even afford a zipper on a Gucci wallet but you can"
@@ChronicSeed.y IKR?! It’s so annoying bec your vid is the best I’ve seen so far and you bring up really interesting things no one is talking about, like WHO wrote their contract. Everyone is here dismissing NJ and calling them idiots. And honestly, it’s disturbing how sexist and racist a lot of the comments are. It’s like how people don’t take girls’ opinions seriously, especially Asian women and girls who are fetishized as submissive. No one is asking why NJ are so confident in walking away from ADOR. It can’t be that ALL of the members, their families, employees, and lawyers (members like Minji come from $$$, so they’ve def got expensive lawyers) are all just straight up delulu. I think you’re right, that MHJ is the architect of that contract, and she knows all the loopholes and cracks. There’s something there that we just don’t know yet.
Another thing no one bothers to ask is why NJ choose to support MHJ. They’re just dismissed as ‘groomed girls’ as if they have zero agency or nothing to gain. Your vid got me thinking about how the industry plays a part in this. Every single entertainment industry around the world is male dominated and full of predatory men. Yeah, MHJ is an awful person and she’s probably made it this far in her career because she’s just as shady as a lot of these men in power. But ppl, use some logic here! Is it that insane that a woman in a position of power like MHJ would make young women and girls like NJ feel safer with her and protected by her over some older dudes? If I was in NJ shoes I would probably do the same and be loyal to MHJ bec I’d feel like I can only gain that safety and be taken seriously by her over some weird ass dude like Bang Sihyuk. If women and girls worked in an industry that was safe for them, MHJ wouldn't be seen like this as some saviour.
I think at the end of the day ppl just see celebrities like NJ living their dreams and it’s not fair that only they get to do that. So they shouldn’t be allowed to complain about mistreatment when they already receive so much privilege in being pretty, thin, light skinned, and rich. That type of thinking is so dehumanizing and messed up. Just because someone is attractive and rich it doesn’t mean it’s okay for another person to hit them and beat them down. Pppl defending these contracts are basically saying: "Well, you're decked out in Gucci, so I don't think it's unfair that you can only have 1 meal a day and can't even choose what you want to eat...You don't get to call that starving and complain about it when we can't even afford a zipper on a Gucci wallet but you can"
First it was nj and their parents that chose to sign the contract. Ador and hybe have provided everything for them.
Luxury penthouse dormitory, Luxury brand ambassador, million dollars each, private salon on the 16 floor. Nj is privilege. Not mistreated.
Mhj has 15 lawsuits against her.
Nj are still under contract with ador. If you want to leave you need to file with the court. Bring evidence. And pay your penalty
stop using other groups for clout! If Njs had grounds they wouldnt need to use others to "pad" their case. Its nothing short of embarrassment Njs has nothing concrete apart from "their manager told them to ignore me!
Did you watch the entire video because idk how you came to this conclusion
The point of this video is to not be afraid of change
1. tvxq helped change the length of contracts even though it cost them
2. How A western style deal would benefit everyone in the industry especially the idols who need more protection now that the are not seen as employees so they only have human rights which is the bare minimum in K-pop and it’s always possible to enforce
3. All the people that have been harmed in many ways by the predatory K-pop contract
4. NEWJEANS influence will make it easier for everyone else to
@@ChronicSeed.y and there we have it, number 4. New Jeans arent Martyrs, they are spoilt children who want to follow their toxic mama and have no qualms about lying through their teeth about how they have been treated by Ador to go with her and not have to pay any penalties. There is nothing wrong or underhanded about their contract, New Jeans is a terrible example of someone who is locked into an unethical contract. There are plenty of other idols who need their contracts scrutinised, New Jeans is not one of them.
In 2023, each member reportedly received approximately ₩5.2 billion KRW (around $3.8 million USD) in settlement payments.
Debt Clearance:
HYBE is said to have cleared any pre-existing debts for the members, ensuring they could focus on their careers without financial burdens.
Exclusive Facilities:
The group was provided with dedicated spaces, including access to the 16th floor of the company's building, offering them a private and comfortable environment for their activities including their own styling and makeup room while the rest of Hybe shares another makeup and styling room which are available through booking. Also, the upper most label floor is usually reserved for the premium group of the company... new Jeans is on the 16th floor, BTS is on the 15th.
Personalized Application:
NewJeans had their own app, Phoning, designed to enhance interaction with fans and provide exclusive content, thereby strengthening their fan engagement.
Rest Periods:
The members were granted two months of rest after each comeback, allowing them time to recharge and maintain their well-being amidst a demanding schedule.
Ambassadorial Roles:
In 2023, NewJeans were appointed as honorary ambassadors of Seoul, receiving a fee of ₩240 million KRW (about $171,000 USD), marking the highest compensation for this role to date.
Industry Connections:
As part of HYBE's network, NewJeans had access to a broad range of industry contacts, enhancing opportunities for collaborations and media exposure.
Global Reach:
Leveraging HYBE's global platform, ADOR facilitated NewJeans' entry into international markets, expanding their fan base and global recognition.
So yeah, they have been bullied and victimised by Adore and Hybe.
yes I did watch it and came back with content complete with receipts... but you keep on deleting it,,,3x. So you hate someone with a cohesive narrative that goes against your narrative.
@@whk3120literally all Hybe supporters are so dumb
whats the matter? did you not like the facts I typed so you deleted it?
Essay incoming:
Omg the fact u brought up 360 deals is so perfect because that is literally what they are. The company owned everything gets a large piece of the pie no matter what. And even when u leave they won’t give u anything and will continue to use ur work and name to make even more money. (Artist are sometimes worth more when dead, just trying to show how shady these labels are) And it’s the fact idols have to pay for almost everything from the make up artist to the people on tour to sometimes their own music videos like a lot of these things come out of the budget of the artist, even if the company is paying for it. Like I don’t know if you remember the 50-50 thing but the CEO from attract sold his car and then made the 50/50 girls pay it off at off by including it in there debt.
One time I said that K-pop idols should unionize and people literally tried to tell me that it would crumble the K-pop industry. The K-pop industry deserves to crumble if it can’t handle over people asking for fair pay and basic human rights.
Maybe it’s because I’m American and I’ve seen these type of situations happen between artist and record labels. It doesn’t matter if the artist has a lot of money, if the record label is not doing their part then they’re not doing their part. Like look at Taylor Swift when she started to re-recording her music when she got screwed over by her record label. Like she has a lot of money, so what, I’m not mad at her.
Also great example with KG because literally the VCHA girls had to pay off that house (500k each) and even if they could pay they would still not own it would be JYPE house. LIKE HOW IS THAT FAIR.
I really feel like people don’t like NJ so they are purposefully changing the issue. Or maybe there just to stuck in the fanwar mentality to understand this is probably happening to there fave. No idol is exempt from there companies treating them like their disposable dolls .
EDIT: love ur voice
Thanks I also love the essay thank you for actually watching the vid some people clearly skipped it to go argue in the comments lol
Really. Because the company investment all it money and resources in to the artists. The company provid everything for the artists.
The music industry and entertainment industry are business. The point of a business is to make money. So you can pay staff ,artists and run the company.
The right of music was on the company.. Why because the company produce the music..with out the company investment they cannot produce or advertise your music..unless you have money to support on your own experiences
That’s not true for example in the western industry, you get money to produce your album and then if you recoup the cost, then the label pays you the difference after they take a smaller cut of the profit even though the label gave you the money you take the bigger cut of the profit but not in K-pop even if you work on your music in K-pop and the label provides the budget label gets to keep most of it even though all they did was provide a budget, for example (G)I-DLE and for example, BIGBANG that’s ridiculous and the NEWJEANS members also work on their music so it should be equally there if not more but for some reason hybe and the rest of the companies think they should own it and not the people who actually made it for example G Dragon
You just proved my point because the company is meant to provide the budget and that’s it. The members work equally as hard if not harder than the company because what do you mean by you give me $20,000 and then I go to the studio to record music I go to the Studio to take pictures for an ad. I go to the studio to record a music video I go on tour I go and do everything else and then I make $1 million which means you made a profit of now $980,000 and then you keep 900,000 and give me 80,000 that’s crazy When I did all the work if you watched my full video you would see that I said that the new members don’t have anything to be grateful for because they are just as important when it comes to the success of NewJeans being a trainee is not enough you also have to have the it factor which those girls have.
@ChronicSeed.y but the agency pay the advertisement..the price of advertisement was not a joke you will pay the hi price
@@ChronicSeed.y wester ok..western music was in sales mode..i mean is you will create a song write a song and sell it to producer..but some times the composer dont sell it .the composer sing it but in the help of producer
Dispatch is just a Hybe minion lol, so many Hybe minions are coming out and it’s clear that Hybe has corrupted this industry to the core!
you werent saying this when Dispatch was dragging Suga through the mud. Cherry pick much!?
Dispatch has said things against hybe before
@@whk3120 perfect 💜
the right,of their name (group name) will be or can be win by the group in the process of contract..what i mean is if youre group and youre company will deals that your group will disband with out any bridge of contract your group can carry your name but it will take a matter of time or years
I F HATE MHJ BUT I WILL ALWAYS SAY
The girls chose the minimum less worst side for them and im not even talking about how all the groups from Hybe are treated like they are, did you all forgot about Fromis_9? The girls didnt even have the opportunity, and with Newjeans something important is trust, and Hybe broke that trust, yeah mhj is a shitty person but MHJ gived the girls the chance to be in the group even all those years the girls wanted to bee in a group under Source, Minji almost didnt debut even from all those years training, i know MHJ was making long the ru to debut but really Hybe give her their own damn label for that? Thats just unprofressional and the people say that is the fault of MHJ when, yeah, but you know what, that affected Le sserafim because Hybe is a fabric, the poor girls werent even properly trained and this affected them just because Hybe wanted his group fast, and now they give MHJ their own label when supposedly she wasnt doing their job? Again, shes a bad person but Hybe did all wrong, and dont make me talk about dispatch, are we going to trust in the same persons who haven making rumors about many idols and ruining their lives? Even before all the Hybe documents where leaked? In some degree i believe MHJ is the worst but god please we know hybe use dispatch in certain situations not to mention that they know damn well that they have many big fandoms on their side and the know damn well that they can use the bad image of MHJ to attack the girls when THEY where the persons who left the girl with that women
All I know is that NewJeans members looked way healthier and mentally stronger under Min Hee Jin compares to other KPop female artists. And even other Kpop artists that the haters are supporting loves them, of course they have their own community that is strictly for artists only. So, why should I believe what the haters are saying or someone who criticize them.
And for haters, stop being so mad at NewJeans just because your ultimate crushes or ex's wallpapers are them or each NJ members 😂😂😂
So...what you're saying is....all of their mistreatment only happened since MHJ was deposed, so let's say since May? But that's funny bc all of the mistreatment they claimed, happened WHILE MHJ was CEO. So you're saying that while their claims may be true, they were minor enough instances that it had no affect on their wellbeing or ability to do their job well. Glad we agree on something. That's always a good feeling to land on common ground.
girl what Danielles always been like 80 lbs
@@jademelon7272 Well, possibly because of ILLIT plagiarism issue. I think Hybe or Belift just want to use ILLIT just to capitalize that NewJeans dreamy vibes, once people got sick to it,then they will get rid of ILLIT which is i feel bad for the members. I actually like this conversation,well if there's something that you didn't understand,feel free to reply and speak out
Be lift lab has been planning a girl group for a long time. Illit was formed through a survival show.
Illit and nj are completely different.
Some useless s. 😂. What kind of a joke is this? Did you believe they will change the industry? With what? Manipulation,lies, Entitlement or tempering? .which one?
All Hybe Supporters are just secret stans of Hybe groups lol 😂
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