BTS (V) - Stigma from 2017 BTS LIVE Trilogy Episode III The Wings Tour
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V's voice goes well with R&B. He does prefer to sing more slower, softer ballad type songs, but with his range he can make classics.
His song "Sweet Night" is one of my favorites, though it took me several listens to really appreciate it.
Sweet Night is my insomnia medicine whenever I feel stressed out and can't sleep. I listen to it and drift into sleep. In my sleeping playlist this is the first song.
How does it take several listens to appreciate sweet night? I don't listen to that type of music often and v is not my bias but I got chills. He did become my bias wrecker after christmas tree. I think i listened to christmas tree before sweet night.
@minitwink16 Soft music isn't my thing, I wasn't actively listening to his music, but Sweet Night grew on me over time, now I really love it.
"SILK SONIC" 😉😘💜 THANK YOU 💕 LOVE YOU!
For a Baritone in KPOP, V has the widest vocal range (as per real vocal analysts) of Eb2 ~ D6 (3 octaves, 5 notes and 1 semitone), which means he can hit high octaves with ease. .. He is multitalented. A Singer, Dancer, Composer, Producer, Songwriter, Actor, Entertainer, Photographer, Artist.... A jazz lover - He plays saxophone, piano, violin, is now learning trumpet
Ball of talent he is.
i think this is one of those songs we'll never truly know what it really means.
A good song will always let the listener put their interpretation on it and may relate it to their personal feelings and Stigma certainly does that. But Tae has explained that this song is based on his character in the BU
Oh my gawd 🤤 my fav song 🫠🫠❤️❤️🥵🥵
“Stigma” explores the tragic backstory of V’s fictional self in the BTS Universe. His character is arrested after he kills his abusive father to protect himself and his sister.
Although the “Stigma” storyline is fictional, its raw emotion and anguish couldn’t be more real. V’s lyrics express the growing pains of youth as well as a sense of frustration many young people experience. “I wanted to portray someone young,” he said. “still growing up, crying out in anguish-that feeling of wanting to thrash about and tell the world you’re tired and fed up.” .. “Stigma,” however, is just the first chapter in a story, and that story has a happy ending. V said, “the young person in ‘Stigma’ passed through ‘Singularity’ and ‘Inner Child’ and grew up.”
This was V’s first solo. I was totally blown away. V is an R&B and Jazz man in his heart. I wish he’d stop deleting his half-finished tracks for his debut solo album. Sigh.
The brother and sister part is part of the story line
💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜Taehyung💜💜💜
V's voice got that sprinkle of soul in it. A lot of people can sing from a technical aspect but they can't sell the song or message. You don't really believe them because there's no weight to it. V sings you something and you think "Yeah he meant every word of that". His stage presence is such a quiet but attention pulling thing. He isn't always showy but there's charisma there. BTS concerts are honestly the shit. They really have something. Especially when they're all on stage together and play off of each other's chemistry. Even their award shows have so much effort going into it. Their annual MMA performances are some of my faves with their annual MAMA performances coming 2nd. And of course their actual concerts.
I remembered the first time I heard this song, i was really surprised by his voice and felt choked up on how hard this song was just by hearing it. Only V can sing this song. It just felt deep.
Small venue energy is just something else. I loved RMs Indigo concert so much, only 250 of the luckiest fans at that show.
Had to be a time. A private 50 seat venue band and one singer like the ole days is even crazier.
@@Jurnalist_ You have no idea. It was phenomenal and I just watched the recording. He looked so happy and in his element.
@@BoraNabiCeleste small venues are magic.
lmaoooo that look that he gave where u said he was like "wassup b"-- yea V is very well known, even amongst other idols for having the most fitting facial expressions and just overall emotional expression for any given song. Its a well known fact in the industry that idol trainees use him as a model for learning how to interact with the audience with your facial expressions. And yea, he's the most likely out of all the members to do the "Sexy Face TM" on stage.
Yea he hit that like I know someone out there want me. 😂😂
His face have it's own choreography if you're going to watch singularity live (stage mix by brilliant is the best) and thankyou so much for this 💜
LIVE performance (stage mix) ruclips.net/video/RX90c1HkwRs/видео.html
But if you react to Singularity live, still make sure to react to the MV as well. It's beautiful.
I prefer not the stage mix because it flow better, visually. Sorry english is not my first language.
Whilst the true meaning behind the song (as in real life events), isn't clear/ hasnt been provided, the song was also tied to V's character in the fictional story line, part of the Bangtan Universe; and it makes so much more sense from that perspective!
I hope you don’t mind me copying and pasting my reply in the comments here as well in reply. I just think it has information that would help give a clearer picture of the song. To those saying Stigma is BU related… it is not related to the BU. I see so many misconceptions and unintentional misinformation in the comments section. When it comes to Stigma, I believe over they years they chose to be very subtle in how they discussed it because of South Korean societal norms and the delicate and personal subject matter. There is some information that some ARMY are unaware of or very deliberately choose to ignore etc for their own reasons. First I have to say that Stigma is one of those special BTS solo’s. Like a lot of ARMY’s when this song came out and we read the lyrics, I just cried for the amount of pain that they seemed to include. Tae’s live Vocals in the live performance of Stigma are also absolutely insane and really showcase that he has the widest range vocally. His performance also gives me goosebumps. For many years Stigma was a mystery because of what I mentioned earlier and people mistakenly thought it was BU related. Those misconceptions continue to this day. Since so many are unaware and there are a lot of gaps in knowledge when it comes to this song… here are some facts and wider context.
The meaning of the word Stigma itself is important. (Source Namjoon Wings Album review) v-live where he said all the solo songs on Wings had important titles.) A Stigma is usually a sign or mark of disgrace which is generally to do with a characteristic or trait that you cannot change. I.e ethnicity, gender, sexuality, age etc.
Tae wrote this song alongside Philtre, slow rabbit and hitman bang. Philtre produced it. The lyrics are by Taehyung.
Although the Wings short film is titled Stigma and uses snippets of this song. The song has nothing to do with the BU storyline and is standalone. Namjoon confirmed this about all the wings solo’s on his Wings album review vlive in 2016. That they are the members personal stories. He also said that Tae’s storyline in the BU is dark. And this song matches it in that sense. And as everyone knows, all the members solo’s on the Wings Album are about their individual lives. They are used merely as an OST for the Wings short films of the same name. E.g. Begin is about jk coming to Seoul. Mama about Hobi’s relationship with his mum and how she sacrificed so much for him and how he will take care of her now (in the BU his mum abandons him, another clear example that the songs are about their personal life and not BU.)
On the same vlive. Namjoon discussed the meaning of all other solos but not Stigma. He only shared that it has to do with Tae’s personal story so he doesn’t really have much to say on it. That the title was important. And that Tae was very cute when he was going back and forward in trying to decide about his narration of: ‘why did you do that to me’ and ‘are you calling me a sinner’ and whether it should be in English or Korean etc. But when Namjoon heard the full song he understood the importance for Taehyung of wanting to get the narration right and the passing reference I mentioned already to the BU storyline being dark.
When they did the Wings album comeback v-live all the members talked about their songs and meanings. Tae only discussed the genre etc.
Taehyung has a younger brother and sister in real life. (He does not have a brother in the BU another clear reason why it’s not BU related.)
Tae himself had never really talked about the full meaning of the song apart from the process of recording it etc until very very recently where he only referenced the emotions he was feeling when he wrote it (in wewerse magazine 2022), that he was feeling ‘fragile’ and ‘broken’. ‘Like shards of glass’ that he didn’t think could be fixed together again. And that ‘I’m sorry you are hurting like this’ to console his younger self. Before this he only talked about it very very briefly in their tour documentary where he talks about the difficulty in singing it live and his worries and nerves in singing it live and to refer briefly (literally one or two lines) that it references pain from when he can’t undo things and hurts others as a result. This brief mention is what you will see in The Rise of Bangtan Chapter. If you watch it that is.
Now some wider societal context and the impact of Stigma for other communities.
South Korea is a very conservative country in regards to many things culturally.
Thousands and thousands of Queer and LGBTQ ARMY identify with this song and find comfort and solace in it. You only have to read the RUclips comments on this song to see evidence of this. Particularly the line ‘Are you calling me a sinner.’ ‘What more do I have to say.’ ‘Even if I try to hide it or conceal it, I cannot erase it.’ ‘So please dry my eyes.’
Coming back to the song, while for me it’s very clear, and I personally believe because of the many things Tae has said to us and shared with us over the years in regards to movies that have resonated with him, music and lyrics he has shared etc and all the above information, others may have their own theories about what this song is about. (When I say Tae has shared a lot, I mean a lot!)
I will also make reference to the fact that whenever Tae is required to create a character or choose a character that has resonated with him, he chooses those who are different from others in society. In BT21, his character Tata, is genderless, and an alien and outsider. In the 7th ARMY ZIP Membership. Filmed in 2020, released in 2021. Where the members had to choose a fairytale character to be and write a story, with a photoshoot too. Tae chose a traditional old Korean folktale ‘Agijangsu Uturi’ (Translates as Mighty Baby). As people won’t know Tae’s fairytale and he doesn’t really explain it in detail in the video. It’s actually very sad. It’s about someone who is killed for being different. Basically the baby is born with wings to a poor farming family who choose to kill him as they are frightened the authorities will find out.
For their ‘7Fates Chakho‘ Webtoon characters. Tae’s character is a human in love with a ‘Beom’ (Mythical Tiger). Tae’s character is in Tae’s own words: ‘Having a forbidden love. Someone who does not have bias or prejudice and who can love beyond it’s own species..’
So to me it is not a coincidence that Tae appears to sympathise and perhaps empathise with characters that are different. They appear to be like a metaphor for his own identity.
Either way whatever the meaning of the song Tae and every other single BTS member is supported and loved by us all unconditionally. 💜
So this song lyrics was written by Tae himself.
I remember him saying something about how this song is about how he feels pain cause he hurt somebody with his actions, could be members or his siblings (he the oldest in his family and has a brother and sister).
Namjoon said in a vlive that the actual meaning is only known to V who wrote the lyrics.
Here is another fun fact, this song is part of the wings album which is based on the book demian and the book is about coming of age, going through temptation and self doubt etc.
So this song can also be seen through that lens.
Basically he committed a sin against his loved ones and is feeling regret and shame.
As soon as you said Anderson Paak I had to think of him and his family backstage with bts at their permission to dance concert, the Interactions between his wife Jae Lin and Jin was the cutest😂
before listening to bts i thought every song was pretty much a love song so it took me a while to "rewire" my brain and i have to say this has made things so much more interesting. i think it's one of the many things that drew people to bts. their songs give as much importance and attention to every single kind of relationship be it between you and your siblings, your friends, your parents or anyone else. it makes their music relatable because for most of us our single most important relationship in life might not actually be with a significant other. i love that their music recognises and celebrates ALL forms of bond we have with the people in our lives.
i remember one reactor listened to "magic shop" and thought it was a sexual song and some of the details in the songs led him to believe it was about love making. the comment section was up in arms cause that song was actually a healing song meant to provide psychological and emotional comfort. it was quite the sight to see and reminded me of how i used to interpret songs before discovering bts. so in short, keep an open mind.
Will do. 💜
a sexual song?? 😧💀
Who would ever interpret Magic Shop as a sexual song? O_O
So show me? T_T
@@loredell right? poor guy had to make another video adressing his reaction and the comments he received but he did not take the "criticism" well. i think he stopped reacting to bts now. i never subbed and he stopped showing up in my feed ages ago so i dont really know.
Oh me being a 50 year old, love this rythm, love V, love V´s voice. Oh it would be amazing having V singing in those small places and yes, with the live band. Such a beautiful picture
I think most people gravitate towards Singularity when recommending V (which is a great song, don't get me wrong), but I always lean towards Stigma or Inner Child as my favourite songs from him. I was excited to see your reaction when V hit that run and you did not disappoint. I can't wait until you get to the live performance of The Truth Untold (probably the stage mix is the best option) to see the full range of the vocal line. It is one of my favourite songs, period. The way they shine on their own and blend together in this song is a masterpiece.
The Truth Untold is a Queen. An Epic Masterpiece. It remains undefeated.
@@BabyDoll-qo7ol Agreed. I love the live version (like most BTS songs) because I think the emotion of the song comes through much more powerfully and because V does an extra little run on one of his parts that just punches me in the stomach.
@@BabyDoll-qo7ol is a good song but don't go throwing that queen title around easily.. that shii belongs to miss spring day, the true majesty 😭
Stigma I’ll have to see what’s up.
Edit.
I totally just realized that’s the song I just did. 🤦🏾♂️
The more i listen to this song when he hit that highnote, the more it really sounds like an instrument (sax)
This was on an other level espacially because V is a bariton 🤯🤯👌👌💜💜
V was doing a clinic that evening.
The boy had something to get off his chest and did it beautifully . It's an LBGTQ Army anthem, make of that what you will. V has a lovely soul
TY for reviewing our precious TAEHYUNG and his phenomenal STIGMA. I love this track dearly.
* It’s part of the BTS Universe Storyline.. about ⅓ way through…*
Fact: During BTS’ WINGS TOUR, Taehyung strained/hurt his throat/voice due to this song and the stress/pressures/exhaustive nature of their early career touring/travel/practice/performances… It’s highly unlikely that he will perform STIGMA again.🥹♥️💜
One of my favorites songs ever. To me it's a song for asking for forgiveness from someone that sacrificed so much for you or because of you. And It really hits me in the heart.
Finally you heard V. 💘💘💘Vilicious Sends shivers down my spine.
V is just an old soul. I don't think in the beginning he was given enough credit for his talent. He would of loved to sit in a nightclub and see the Rat Pack on stage! He frequently sings Bing & Frank.
I don't know what they meant with this song, but it definitely hit home for many LGBTQ+ Army. Lines like "even if I hide it and try to cover it, it won't be erased" or about being called a sinner and feeling guilty towards one's family, the title... All of it feels very close to our rainbow hearts 🥲
Oh yes. This is definitely one of my anthems.
I've never thought abt it like that, but I definitely resonate w that...
Is that right. I’ve now seen 4/5 comments echoing sentiments in this arena you are speaking. I being a straight black male have decades of music that sings to my existence and pains and such. It’s a new line of thinking you all present me with to think of an artist making a coded song in the way you all are saying and feeling seen as the song makers for my “lifestyle” for lack of a better phrase. Get to make music for me openly and I’ve never had to feel seen as my visibility is the standard norm. This has been interesting to see and hear from army on how this song felt like it was for them in those regards. Ty all for sharing.
It was about V’s character in the storyline in BTS Universe in regards to V having to protect his sister from their alcoholic step dad. There’s an xCeleste breakdown of the storyline.
Ooooh, one of my faves from Tae! His voice is just so smooooooooth like warm velvet. Don't know how else to describe it.
From what I know about this song, he wrote it himself and once said that this song is about how he feels pain from hurting someone, could be members or his siblings (he the oldest in his family and has a brother and sister). However, the real meaning is unknown, there's loads of theories and I believe the bts members know too, but RM said in a live that only V knows the true meaning behind the song, so maybe one day he'll tell us. But we all know that this song is really special to him.
V said it’s based on his character in the Bu and the suffering we saw in the MV’s. He hasn’t ever said that there is a personal angle to it, it was RM speculating.
@@CloudedLeopard8588 there is no way he wrote his solo JUST about the BU. Every member of BTS wrote a single for the BU but they ALL related to their personal lives as well. V didn’t saying it ONLY related to the BU. And RM wouldn’t speculate about that without knowing the truth. He knows V way better than we ever will there’s no way he’d just talk out of his ass without knowing. Clearly he knew something and V just isn’t ready to share that with us yet.
@@CloudedLeopard8588 @Boraheartsss Tae has never specifically said what the song was about specifically. Though I agree that Joon wasn't and wouldn't speculate. In the live he basically told us it wasn't his story to tell, that it was personal to Tae. Which is fair enough.
@@Boraheartsss Whether he wrote write a personal angle or not is speculation. He clearly told us why he wrote the song. And RM said he didn’t know what the personal angle was, if any. In those days Tae didn’t tell the members everything, in burn the stage he told us that he use to keep his personal business private and then later learned to open up with members.
Love Stigma, but if you want a bedroom jam then Singularity is the song you want play!
This is like the 3rd time you’ve renamed“Silk Sonic”🤣 it’s always a new name everytime.
i don't know about other people but as a queer army stigma is a very important song for me. living in a religious family who will never accept my true self ,I'm always trying to hide it to keep peace but it hurts like hell ,i didn't choose to be the way I am and I would hate to anger or disappoint them any further so yeah these lyrics always hit home so hard it makes me cry.
Be strong. I am sorry to hear you must hide yourself just for peace with others. I hope they change and can accept you for you. More power to you. Thank you for sharing.
It's this run that I can't get enough of i repeat it many times until I can't hear it, sometimes they do runs or adlibs they unfortunately don't repeat much, or at all. Or when they growl while singing, I love that but I seldom hear it now. They used to before.
To bring examples V run in stigma jk growl in dope* Everyday is hustle i gotta make it fire baby* at Tokyo dome , and jimin growls in any song.
As many have pointed out, the meaning behind Stigma is that he asks for forgiveness from his siblings that you could say he left behind when he left home to become an idol, I think that's really more like what he meant. The lyrics of the song also resonate very well with his story in the fictional Bangtan storyline. All solo songs of the Wings album, from Jk's Begin to Jin's Awake, have a double meaning, which echoes both with real participants, each of whom participated in their song, and with their fictional characters from the Bangtan Universe. That's why I still when I remember how thoughtful their story is, I start admiring it again and again.💜
Upd: I will also add that another song Outro: Her rap line (from Love Yourself: Her album) began with the same piano that was at the beginning of Stigma, but in Stigma this is only a live version
One of my favorite solo songs from V
My song!! Made it to my rnb playlist for a year with his other song Singularity before I knew anything about BTS!
I think RM said V had a very real life personal story attached to this song but we probably won't ever know what he truly meant... what mistake he made or what trauma he went through...
But as you probably heard there is a fictional storyline and Tae's character goes through very traumatic family events and the song also ties in pretty well into the plot!
As was noted in a previous post, we do not have an exact description of the story behind this song but we know that Tae is the oldest of 3 children. He has a brother and sister.
What I find interesting is that we have very little information about the families of any of the BTS members. There are few pictures. Jimin's father owns a restaurant and has made a few public remarks. Tae was raised by his grandmother on a farm while his parents worked in some town. I don't recall reading if his siblings were also raised by his grandmother. In the West, the private lives of our singers, musicians, and actors is scrutinized in the media. Apparently this is not di e in Korea.
Thank you.
Melted again by V's sultry warm blanket of a voice, soulful like BTS vocalist's 2016 live performance of House of Cards, hits ya right every time. Thanks for a song reaction to BTS - hoping V will put out an R&B &/or Jazz tinged album. Seeing him perform in a small venue would be perfect.
If he drops a pure sexy rnb album. I would be interested to see how that sounds.
Small room v is a bomb ready to boom.
Taehyung has a old soul, neo soul, R&B jazz vibe .. 😌😌😌😌😌
No spoiler but I will bet that you will love HOUSE OF CARD, ESPECIALLY THE LIVE 😌😌😌😌😌😌😌
3:30 - Ever since j-hope's Lollapalooza, I've been thinking about what kind of venues V would perform at because his songs are soft intimate ballads, which I imagine would be unsuited for the grand stages that J-hope seems to thrive in. And then RM chose small settings for his performances, so maybe V would do something closer to that.
Then again, who knows. They're always surprising us with their choices. Also, V's "Singularity" is a very intimate performance, and yet he performed it in stadiums, not even arenas.
I love V's songs, just my kind of music. I love his melodies. He has a beautiful falsetto, which he showcases well in his personal solo songs like "Christmas Tree" and "Winter Bear".
Remind be of this after singularity please
We also don’t really know what this song is about.. tae is really secretive about the meaning of this song 😅
LOVE COMES IN MANY FORMS! just saying. I hope he was teasing but Tae (V) said he deleted all the songs he was working on and also said he wouldn't officially release any of the songs he shared with us. That made me so sad, those snippets were truly amazing.
I hope so too. I hate when artist destroy work. It’s their right to do but as a fan of music history and music. How dare you remove the ability to hear you. 😭😭
Yes thank you Jurnalist!! Loved your reaction. This song is crazy!
The first time he performed this song, he was really nervous. Back stage, JK help him and reassured him that he could do the high notes. It's still amazing to me how they help each other without jugement, just respect. 💜
When you think your fellow band mate or crew member is greater than they see themselves. It’s a natural thing to do i think. Or that’s at least what I’ve learned working with my people.
The my lil nigga being exactly who I thought he would be from that Grammy clip. 💜
Wet Bangtan is dangerous.. please have mercy on some hard stans, it might not be healthy for them 😂
They need the pressure like I need the pressure from hwa Sa. 😂😂
He really is almost too ridiculously talented, listed many years in a row as #1 or top 5 of the worlds most handsome men (and killing us with things like his latest Elle magazine cover) and a voice like this, plus his over charisma is just too much. His songs tend to be a lot of my favorites (my bias wrecker) for his baritone but his highs are crazy.
Tae has always been my fav voice after jk. Especially when he does jazzy/rnb type of songs. He really shines the best in those songs. I really can't wait what he will come up with for his album
If you are trying to woo a "bird" as you say. Maybe take a listen to Serendipity by Jimin. To me, it's what a love song is supposed to sound like. Though they all have great voices and songs, this is just my personal favorite . OT7 though!💜
I’m down for a love song let’s give it a spin.
Seeing him again during this era so funny because I can tell he was just hitting puberty lolololol
Baby growing into a man.
I'm so glad you got to hear the range inTae's voice. I feel like you are going to love Singularity. It is my favorite song from him. You are really inventive with having water come out of jackets to conceptualize tears I guess lol. I also wanted to say thanks because even though you have a schedule of what you plan to react to, when someone suggests something you always give us what we want. Also looking forward to your next live.💜
Goosebumps bro, Taehyung is something ealse, he got soulful voice 🙌🙌
yes that is our V 😊💜🐻
Oooh now you gotta watch his Singularity MV ....it is such a cool song. So tastefully done.
To be honest, we don't know what the song is about. V was one of the song writers on this song. But he never explained what it was about😅
One of my favourite song from V
We do not know the real meaning and I do believe Taehyung is/was not ready to share that with us. This song is part of their “Wings” album (my favorite album of theirs in it’s entirety) and each member wrote their own solos for it. The solos were for their BU characters in the storyline, but they all related to their personal lives as well. Some we know because the way have talked about the things they wrote before in the past, like Suga’s First Love, RM’s Reflection, Hobi’s Mama and Jungkook’s Begin. I don’t think they ever just wrote songs only for the BU that didn’t relate to their real lives as well.
Like RM said, only V knows the true meaning of the song. I love it because it’s a song that can be up for interpretation and related to you as you listen to it. 😌
To those saying Stigma is BU related… it is not related to the BU. I see so many misconceptions and unintentional misinformation in the comments section. When it comes to Stigma, I believe over the years they chose to be very subtle in how they discussed it because of South Korean societal norms and the delicate and personal subject matter. There is some information that some ARMY are unaware of or very deliberately choose to ignore etc for their own reasons. First I have to say that Stigma is one of those special BTS solo’s. Like a lot of ARMY’s when this song came out and we read the lyrics, I just cried for the amount of pain that they seemed to include. Tae’s live Vocals in the live performance of Stigma are also absolutely insane and really showcase that he has the widest range vocally. His performance also gives me goosebumps. For many years Stigma was a mystery because of what I mentioned earlier and people mistakenly thought it was BU related. Those misconceptions continue to this day. Since so many are unaware and there are a lot of gaps in knowledge when it comes to this song… here are some facts and wider context.
The meaning of the word Stigma itself is important. (Source Namjoon Wings Album review) v-live where he said all the solo songs on Wings had important titles.) A Stigma is usually a sign or mark of disgrace which is generally to do with a characteristic or trait that you cannot change. I.e ethnicity, gender, sexuality, age etc.
Tae wrote this song alongside Philtre, slow rabbit and hitman bang. Philtre produced it. The lyrics are by Taehyung.
Although the Wings short film is titled Stigma and uses snippets of this song. The song has nothing to do with the BU storyline and is standalone. Namjoon confirmed this about all the wings solo’s on his Wings album review vlive in 2016. That they are the members personal stories. He also said that Tae’s storyline in the BU is dark. And this song matches it in that sense. And as everyone knows, all the members solo’s on the Wings Album are about their individual lives. They are used merely as an OST for the Wings short films of the same name. E.g. Begin is about jk coming to Seoul. Mama about Hobi’s relationship with his mum and how she sacrificed so much for him and how he will take care of her now (in the BU his mum abandons him, another clear example that the songs are about their personal life and not BU.)
On the same vlive. Namjoon discussed the meaning of all other solos but not Stigma. He only shared that it has to do with Tae’s personal story so he doesn’t really have much to say on it. That the title was important. And that Tae was very cute when he was going back and forward in trying to decide about his narration of: ‘why did you do that to me’ and ‘are you calling me a sinner’ and whether it should be in English or Korean etc. But when Namjoon heard the full song he understood the importance for Taehyung of wanting to get the narration right and the passing reference I mentioned already to the BU storyline being dark.
When they did the Wings album comeback v-live all the members talked about their songs and meanings. Tae only discussed the genre etc.
Taehyung has a younger brother and sister in real life. (He does not have a brother in the BU another clear reason why it’s not BU related.)
Tae himself had never really talked about the full meaning of the song apart from the process of recording it etc until very very recently where he only referenced the emotions he was feeling when he wrote it (in wewerse magazine 2022), that he was feeling ‘fragile’ and ‘broken’. ‘Like shards of glass’ that he didn’t think could be fixed together again. And that ‘I’m sorry you are hurting like this’ to console his younger self. Before this he only talked about it very very briefly in their tour documentary where he talks about the difficulty in singing it live and his worries and nerves in singing it live and to refer briefly (literally one or two lines) that it references pain from when he can’t undo things and hurts others as a result. This brief mention is what you will see in The Rise of Bangtan Chapter. If you watch it that is.
Now some wider societal context and the impact of Stigma for other communities.
South Korea is a very conservative country in regards to many things culturally.
Thousands and thousands of Queer and LGBTQ ARMY identify with this song and find comfort and solace in it. You only have to read the RUclips comments on this song to see evidence of this. Particularly the line ‘Are you calling me a sinner.’ ‘What more do I have to say.’ ‘Even if I try to hide it or conceal it, I cannot erase it.’ ‘So please dry my eyes.’
Coming back to the song, while for me it’s very clear, and I personally believe because of the many things Tae has said to us and shared with us over the years in regards to movies that have resonated with him, music and lyrics he has shared etc and all the above information, others may have their own theories about what this song is about. (When I say Tae has shared a lot, I mean a lot!)
I will also make reference to the fact that whenever Tae is required to create a character or choose a character that has resonated with him, he chooses those who are different from others in society. In BT21, his character Tata, is genderless, and an alien and outsider. In the 7th ARMY ZIP Membership. Filmed in 2020, released in 2021. Where the members had to choose a fairytale character to be and write a story, with a photoshoot too. Tae chose a traditional old Korean folktale ‘Agijangsu Uturi’ (Translates as Mighty Baby). As people won’t know Tae’s fairytale and he doesn’t really explain it in detail in the video. It’s actually very sad. It’s about someone who is killed for being different. Basically the baby is born with wings to a poor farming family who choose to kill him as they are frightened the authorities will find out.
For their ‘7Fates Chakho‘ Webtoon characters. Tae’s character is a human in love with a ‘Beom’ (Mythical Tiger). Tae’s character is in Tae’s own words: ‘Having a forbidden love. Someone who does not have bias or prejudice and who can love beyond it’s own species..’
So to me it is not a coincidence that Tae appears to sympathise and perhaps empathise with characters that are different. They appear to be like a metaphor for his own sexual identity.
Either way whatever the meaning of the song Tae and every other single BTS member is supported and loved by us all unconditionally. 💜
This whole long sentences for what actually? stop trying to interpret what you don't know.most of Bts song can several meaning based on the listener.If this song resonates with you fine but stop trying so hard analyze his sexuality let him be.i listen to stigma alot because there was a time I was almost like the black sheep in my Family and not from a queer aspect at all
@@Beary95 you have a right to you opinion and I have a right to mine… however mine very clearly has a lot of factual context behind it as well as over 10 years of observation as Taehyung’s fan. If by now you don’t know your artist and what he communicates through various mediums and songs that’s clearly a you thing. Taehyungie is loved and adored under all circumstances. If even the possibility of it bothers you then you should reflect on yourself. Otherwise I advise you to go watch his own lives, listen to his own words and posts and read the inspiration behind many of his photoshoots, concepts and MV’s. Read about his favourite artists, read about characters and movies that have resonated with him and why. Read about his fashion choices which he says is how he expresses himself. The artists whom he likes because of their personal stories as he has said. Take one small example. The film call me by your name that resonated so much with Taehyungie he downloaded the whole soundtrack, talked about it on numerous lives, read dialogue from it on a separate live. played the piano from it, it was mentioned in his official weverse article for his Layover album MV’s, was the inspiration mentioned by his hairstylist in the harpersbazaar interview for the concept of the photoshoot. That’s one film… there are numerous other examples so many I would be here writing essays. Including his favourite actor. Use your brain, when someone has so much interest in queer culture in every aspect of their life and influences, then you can bet it’s because they identify with it. Every other thing I have mentioned is factual… are you waiting and expecting a verbal confirmation? Be real… but first go get to really know the artist you claim to like. When someone tries to show you so hard who they are then do them the curtesy of keeping your heart eyes and ears open, instead of being wilfully ignorant. Supporting him unconditionally should not be hard. Also to bully someone because they take the time to treat a topic with respect and be thorough in their comments and communication is really a cheap thing to do. Don’t be a bully. Incidentally a few years ago when there was a campaign for queer kids who had been bullied, Taehyungie took part and posted the sun on his nose like others who had been too. I’m so disappointed in people who claim to love him but who desperately condition it on him being straight. If you want more examples feel free to write back as I said I could write an essay on all the times he’s shown to have a deep affinity with the community. My last bit of advice, open your heart… love is love in all circumstances. 💜
@@Kitty-vt5putvr I'm not reading those I know Tae well enough and I also know south Korean culture stop proofing shit
@@Beary95 the fact that you don’t have the decency to read tells me everything I need to know. That before you formulate opinions you don’t even bother to evaluate information and facts and consider it. You formulate an opinion based on what? and will go out of your way to ignore everything else. You want to live in ignorance, live in ignorance… it’s your choice but stop camping out and commenting on people’s comments who actually take the time to be thorough and who actually research on what they say. Go write your own comments.
@@Kitty-vt5putvr sorry sist it's long doesn't make it right huh! I read the first one and it was bs.stop forcing me to agree with ur own ideology and fyi I've done my research so jst stfu .are you the one that wrote the song? Tae said he was inspired from a movie and RM said only Tae knows the truth meaning of the song but then Tae didn't speak on so why are you dragging? And during layover era Tae said he likes to leave his work open for several interpretation!! let it go girl.if you're frm the letter community I'm glad that Tae's song resonates with you .thank you
Absolutely moving for me. What a voice! Thanks for watching.
Ya know, the other favorite for me, of V, is his Singularity live at the Tokyo Dome. Please check it out.
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Thank you Loved the reaction 💜
I associate the song to their "BU Universe Storyline," whereas he plays the son of an abusive father. So that's why he said Im sorry to his sister for not controlling himself and killing his father in the story, mind you. To protect his mother and siblings .
V was very busy during these days. This song is of course for his family. V mentions in one of the interviews for this song.
He was under stress at the time when this song was written as he was shooting Hwarang and at the same time while practicing. Its around that time the dumpling incident happened and we got 4'oclock and friends.
He was very busy. This song is like a letter to his family apologizing for the times he's missed.
And this ties in with the BU too as him being sorry to his sister for not being there for her or sorry for losing his innocence. He's like I might be guilty but are you calling me a sinner?
We don't really know original meaning of this song, but I gonna tell you that non-heterosexual ARMYs took this shit and run away with it, lol.
This song is from Wings album that is connected to the storyline and the thing that his character did there. If you see the Stigma short film you'll understand and the lyrics perfectly much it.
When tracklist came out “00hh”
Wk after (▶️ whole 📀)
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Also good reaction as usual! Like that you keep it real for you.
It’s a mandatory. Otherwise I’m just wasting all our time. Ty for your time. 💜
ok so im just gonna say it. this is a queer-coded song about catholic guilt. that's what i got from it anyways, could be anything tbh
I respect it. ✊🏾💜 I’d have to listen again to see if I got the meaning you are suggesting.
YES! oh i can't wait to watch this, hope you liked it! :)
If you enjoyed the rang of V voice. Take a look at Dimash S.o.S I promise you you’ll be amazed. 💜💜💜💜
You’re on. You are backing my man to be a quality vocal i should like. You are more accountable. 😂
This song is to voice out the crimes like domastic violence and child abuse. This song's back up story is from one of their fictional story "Save Me" in which Taehyung's father abuses him and his sister but his sister always save him by getting more hits instead of him. BTS have also collab with UNICEF to do child abuse campaign and also donated Idk how much but that was big amount to children who were in bad conditions, orphans and poor people. Hope this helped you 💜
I don't know about his real life story related to this but there must be something cause he also mentioned his brother and there is no brother in that fictional story
Not every song is about ARMY.....tho some may wish it were 😅 🖤🥀
2:20 I don't know if this was the song you were thinking of but you had me singing H-Town's "Knockin' Da Boots" LOL
🎶 Good lovin, body rockin' knockin' boots all night long yeah
Makin' love until we tire to the break of dawn🎶
I was just commenting this. Definitely was H Town he was singing! First Shai yesterday, now H Town. We see gonna get a whole 90s playlist from him this week! 💜
Yup that’s the one. The drums in the beginning reminded me of that song. Instantly.
The 90s rnb has been doing a madness in this house this week.
YaSss my song! Only Tae knows what this song really means..
This song is from BU
All BTS songs that sounds like romantic relationship thing but turned out totally different meaning when they explained 😅
💜💜 nice of you to not leave a member out 💜💜
Silk Sonic.
What I love about old BTS concerts is that they break it up into solo songs, vocal line, rapline, and whole group within the concert. So, at this point, he is doing only one song by himself. I love the concept of this it makes the show way more dynamic. After Covid, they did all the songs together as a group until the last Busan concert, where they did rapline and vocal line, no solo stages. My favorite is when the vocal line does the rap songs like at Sowoozoo.
You nailed it( pardon the pun)
In his Bobby Brown bag. I love V's 90's R & B style. I think ambiguous writing is purposeful. It can be a single relationship, meant for ARMY or philosophical with a deeper meaning. And yes, for us dirtier minded people, will get another meaning. And after all that, it is called Stigma.
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And then there is House of Cards which sound also sexy as fuck but is sad as hell to the point its a meme in the fandom
that's V...he is known as the idol of idol.....oo..yes I saw you guys were very surprised when V sang a song with a high note, know that V is originally a baritone, but he can reach high notes through his beautiful valseto , Borahae🌈💜
This is a live band
Yes but they are not visible. An intimate setting where you can feel the musical frequencies directly and have the performer close and almost in reach or reachable change the energy and dynamic of a performance and I see V in that setting doing damage to a small room.
Is that right. I though it might be a recorded backing
ARE YOU CALLING ME A SINNER ⚰
They better not be. 😤😂
a lot of queer armys interpret the message of this song to depict the emotional turmoil of wanting to come out to your family members.
Is that right now. I’ve heard another interpretation along these lines. Being who I am I never had to think about a song needing to express the want or need to share my love for another person and it be accepted. Being me in this world I got provided music for the want and need for the person that i love as the standard formatting. I really wonder what that feels like to have music that can speak to that want and need and fear of that conversation and its outcome.
the meaning of the song has to with the story line in hyyh series. it’s really not supposed to be based on his life specifically.
Bless. I need to wrap up these rap line projects. These newer solo songs seem to be built on knowing bts not just the rap line.
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You said you are going to default the meaning to relationships right? So here's the thing, BTS music can be interpreted in various ways. But idky my default is the internal dialogue or self love and omg it works both ways. I love seeing your perspective. It'll be interesting if you try interpreting it both ways! I seldom comment but I love your channel! You nice keep going!
Ty for commenting and your time.
I default to relationships I think due to how I was raised in this world.
As a man raised by older people of generations 2/4 times older than mine. A man having a introspective dialogue isn’t about love persay we are not allowed that space.
Knowing better but being raised that way means I now still default relationships over internal monologue or questioning one’s self.
I’ll have to give it a try to see if that opens any of these songs up to a new meaning for me.
@@Jurnalist_ Thanks for your reply. It gives me some introspective into your mind. I come from a part of world where this mindset still prevails for both men and women. We as a society are still far away from talking about mental health and it's considered very much taboo. Even I used to think about relationships as my first interpretation. But to be very fair, when BTS came to me and I started listening to their music I got very comfortable thinking about this inner dialogue over time and to be honest it has helped overcome a lot of my mental health problems i cluding depression. They leave their music open to interpretation right. So each time i discovered something new. BTS literally saved my life and gave me insights into myself. While falling in love with them, i fell in love with me! I hope you try out this angle and enjoy. Try both, it's fun racking your brain. BTS music makes me think so much hahaha
Thanks for reading this! Once again, love your channel 💜
@@aakankshaawasthy it was a pleasure. Ty for challenging me to try a new perspective of thinking.
Also thank you for your time. 💜🫡
@@Jurnalist_ Anytime 💜💜
So V is interesting in that this song Stigma sounds romantic and sexy however the lyrics don't seem to be a love song. I discussed this with my wife and she told me no one is 100% what the song is about but one of many theories is its a song of regret for not being their for his siblings because he moved to the city. Can't remember the other theories.
And he has another song singularity. Again, sounds sexy and romantic but the lyrics don't seem to be necessarily about relationships. To be honest, I've read 2 translations of singularity and I still don't know what the song is about
When it’s well written and keeps you looking for new meaning or meaning at all those are the songs I love the most sometimes. Like erykah badus on and on record. I still don’t know what 3 quarter and a dime is. But I’ll never stop trying to gain the understanding while loving the song. I think this and singularity might strike that tone. S/O to the misses for collaborative efforts.
question: why do you call girls "birds" is it slang where ur from im curious its interesting ive never heard of it before.
I call them birds from slang I got in the uk. I like the term. A bird is any female that Ian not familial related to you for context understanding.
@@Jurnalist_ ohh ok good to know lol
@@okay5668 no problem. 🫡
Aaah, see, out of all the vocal line songs you have seen, this is the only one on a bts album, that is why it doesn't make complete sense to you. Singled out, the song seems to be about guilt. I don't think it is romantic, might relate closer to family.
Now what is special about the Wings album, which contains this song, is that it relates heavily with a fictional storyline going through the bts discography. Essentially, all solo songs off of this solo albums have a double meaning, one relating to the character the members represent, and one relating to them personally. The thing is, out of bts, V is the only one that refused to explain what the song means to him personally, so people can only assume. His "character" has a pretty f*****d up story though. Might be a third layer to the song when looking at the album as a whole - one reading of wings is the story of Icarus.
This song is based on V's fictional storyline in Bangtan Universe that runs in some of their mvs, in which his (fictional) father abuses his mother and sister, the 'sorry sister' is for that and 'sorry brother' is for the rest of bts. You will understand it when you get into the BU and watch all the content.
There are a lot of theories about the meaning of this song. The fact is Tae explained what this song is about and even RM said that this song fits Tae’s character in the BU. He was only speculating that he might have a personal meaning behind the song that he doesn’t know about. The fact is that Tae has explained this to us, he has told us that this song is about what his character was going through in the BU from the ‘I need you’ MV onwards. For those who are interested in listening to Tae explain about Stigma you can see a snippet of his explanation @ 0:40 in the following link - ruclips.net/video/_K9w5rLfHK4/видео.html
As any great art, it's up to your interpretation. Some Army will have you thinking every song is solely written with us and that theses grown men never think of anything sexual when writing their lyrics, when in fact we know they all watch porn, let alone that they're in their late 20s and 30s. Prime horny stages of life for many, and they're no different. Many in this fandom want to infantile them because they're uncomfortable with the notion that the guys be getting some.🤪
DWL, your choice of words is hilarious but you are very right! I once saw a comment that said BTS don't sing about romantic love, only self love and I responded to say but what about Boy In Luv, Boy With Luv, Just One Day, Miss Right etc. and what's wrong with singing about romantic love? Aren't they humans? Don't they love? She still found some excuse🤷♀
@@nuhkyah23 needed to add the shock value dontchano! 😂 But yes either those making such statements haven't experienced such natural desires for themselves, have trauma around it or are afraid of loosing the guys to it if they admit it imo. Because in my mind there is now way that typically developing humans, can feel so persistently comfortable completely erasing a natural healthy phenomenon of them having and singing about sexual desire otherwise.
Right. I’m like I can’t disagree I’m not that entrenched to know better nor do I have a strong notion I could fullly back. But as a man who writes songs and a lot of sexy or love songs at that. I feel I know when we are making those records. But hey I could always be wrong.